CNN: Will Rudy Be ‘Swiftboated’?

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A report on Tuesday’s "The Situation Room," which highlighted the anti-Giuliani campaign of some family members of firefighters killed on 9/11, also tried to throw some retrospective doubt on the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" who opposed John Kerry in 2004. CNN correspondent Deborah Feyerick proposed the following question about the campaign: "is this another 'Swift Boat' situation, in which unsubstantiated attacks against John Kerry's service in Vietnam, scuttled his presidential candidacy. These families say no."

In addition to this question, CNN played two sound bites, one from Sally Reganhard, a prominent member of this campaign, and the other from a Baruch College professor, which reenforced the "unsubstantiated" label used by CNN. Reganhard indirectly accused the "Swift Boat" veterans of using lies. "The difference between the 'Swift Boating' and this is that everything that we are saying is the truth." Also, a chyron during the report proclaimed that "9/11 Families Challenge Giuliani: Efforts Compared to ‘Swiftboating.’"

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Host Wolf Blitzer introduced the report, which aired at the bottom of the 5 pm hour, by immediately bringing up the "Swift Boat" comparison. "It's the cornerstone of Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign, the 9/11 terror attacks. But now, an unlikely group is trying to undermine that with an effort that some are comparing to the 'Swift Boat' campaign against John Kerry." Neither Blitzer nor Feyerick mention who is making this comparison.

One thing that is mentioned is the campaign’s connection to the International Association of Firefighters, a union who endorsed John Kerry in 2004. As Feyerick put it, "over the summer, these firefighter families appeared in a scathing anti-Giuliani video made by the International Association of Firefighters." The union’s president, Harold A. Schaitberger, started a close relationship with Kerry early during his 2004 campaign. In August 2007, a CNN report quoted Kerry as saying, "I still keep a picture at home of Harold Schaitberger… standing by my side the night we won the New Hampshire primary."

Immediately after the three-minute report, Blitzer conducted a four-and-a-half minute interview of Jim Riches, a deputy chief for the Fire Department of New York City who is a member of the family members’ campaign against Giuliani. After a commercial break, Blitzer then interviewed Howard Safir, a former NYC fire and police commissioner and Giuliani supporter who accused the members of the campaign of "turning the terrorist attacks of September 11th into a political football."

The full transcript of the report from Tuesday’s "The Situation Room:"

WOLF BLITZER: It's the cornerstone of Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign, the 9/11 terror attacks. But now, an unlikely group is trying to undermine that with an effort that some are comparing to the 'Swift Boat' campaign against John Kerry. CNN's Deborah Feyerick is joining us now. She's watching all this unfold. So, who's challenging, Deb, Rudy Giuliani's 9/11 credentials?

DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Wolf, this is not a new group. In fact, the faces, to many New Yorkers, are familiar. These are people who have repeatedly criticized Rudy Giuliani's handling of 9/11 and all the events before and after that day. The big question - can this small group gain momentum and, if so, what does that mean to the mayor's candidacy?

FEYERICK (voice-over): This is the image many Americans have of Rudy Giuliani -- the New York City mayor covered in dust moments after the World Trade Center towers collapsed. It is an image he has evoked in his run for the White House to spotlight his leadership on that tragic day. But Sally Regenhard and others are challenging that image.

SALLY REGENHARD, MOTHER OF 9/11 FIREFIGHTER: Rudy Giuliani is no hero of 9/11.

FEYERICK: Regenhard's son was one of 343 New York City firefighters to die when the towers fell. She is part of a small, determined group of firefighter families taking on the former mayor.

REGENHARD: We want to give people the opportunity to hear the true story and to make their own decisions.

FEYERICK: On Monday, the group traveled to New Hampshire, a crucial state where Mr. Giuliani recently began running these ads.

RUDY GIULIANI, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I believe I have been tested in a way in which the American people can look to me. They're not going to find perfection, but they're going to find somebody who's dealt with crisis.

FEYERICK: The families told a handful of people about some of the fire department radios that didn't work on 9/11, about the emergency command center to coordinate a response that, instead, literally collapsed, and about the lack of respirators provided to firefighters searching for colleagues in the toxic rubble.

Political scientist, Doug Muzzio says these issues are not new, at least not to New Yorkers.

DOUG MUZZIO, BARUCH COLLEGE: There is a lot of hyperbole in what Rudy Giuliani says about what he did prior to 9/11, on 9/11, and after 9/11. But the kernel of truth is that Rudy Giuliani had his finest hour on 9/11.

FEYERICK: The Giuliani campaign cited news reports praising Giuliani's efforts on behalf of firefighters, and touting the city's preparedness. A former fire commissioner, speaking on Giuliani's behalf, accused Regenhard's group of quote, 'turning the terrorist attacks of September 11th into a political football.' The question now -- is this another 'Swift Boat' situation, in which unsubstantiated attacks against John Kerry's service in Vietnam, scuttled his presidential candidacy. These families say no.

REGENHARD: The difference between the 'Swift Boating' and this is that everything that we are saying is the truth.

FEYERICK (on-camera): Now, over the summer, these firefighter families appeared in a scathing anti-Giuliani video made by the International Association of Firefighters. Giuliani's representative called the group highly partisan. It is endorsing Democrat Chris Dodd, but says it was not part of this particular New Hampshire trip. Still, that firefighters' union is meeting after Thanksgiving to consider a much larger campaign against the former mayor. Wolf?

BLITZER: Deb Feyerick in New York, thanks very much.

—Matthew Balan is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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"...scuttled his

"...scuttled his presidential candidacy."

Really? That's all that did it? But for that, he would have been President, huh?

By the way, did these people manage to mention the terrorists when assigning their criticism?

Swiftboated

"Swiftboated"! So this is now part and parcel of the "liberal" lexicon? I watched in anger and dismay as that dirty, sneaky Commie-loving B#$%%$#D sat in front of the Congress of the United States and lied through his pearly whites. The gigolo s.o.b. betrayed his commrades in the manner of Benedict Arnold. Swiftboated??? -- the traitor shoud have been hanged!

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Definition of the Verb 'Swift Boat'

Swift Boat: To tell the truth.

The NeoProg MSM is again trying to change history. Shame on them!

 

Definition

Swift Boating == To tell the truth about a Democrat.

This doesn't easily apply to Republicans, who the media routinely lie about and make things up about, as long as it meets their template requirement. See Plame for details.

It is not bad enough that

It is not bad enough that CNN is so biased.  What is pathetic is the total and complete lack of any competence and leadership there.  If they want to be left leaning or impartial or right leaning at least be competent in how you do it.  Their commentators are even worse then MSNBC and that is really saying something.  Take this story as an example.  If one is bad then the other is bad.  To say one is bad and the other is good insane.  But what would you expect from a network whose hero and founder is a loon and who hires people like Jack Cafferty and Lou Dobbs.

Will the media ever figure it out?

When will the media ever figure out that being 'Swiftboated' means the truth comes out when they don't want it to?

Being 'Swiftboated' means the truth is being told despite all efforts to cover up the facts.

yeah, those swift boaters sure had their facts.......wrong!

Being 'Swiftboated' means the truth is being told despite all efforts to cover up the facts.

 

All followup evidence supported Kerry, not the swiftboat liars.

Are you daft, if so I ask

Are you daft, if so I ask you why the 1 million dollar prize is uncollected?  Your statement is Trollish to say the least, the same as your AGW arguments.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

the bogus 1 million dollar prize

and who gets to 'judge' when the swiftboat liars have been proven to be liars? truly another bogus PR move. I'll pay anyone a million dollars if they can PROVE that I'm not GOD. OK, prove it.

professor...that's EZ

First...set aside the million dollars. Now jump off a very high building. If you are God, you have nothing to worry about. If you refuse, that is because you are mortal and therefore, not God.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.
Thompson/Rice

That one is easy, put the

That one is easy, put the million dollars in a bank with the express instructions on proof I will get it.  Then I take a gun and blow your brains out.  If you rise the third day then you are GOD but if you dont Im a million dollars richer and one more moron removed from the gene pool.  Its a win win situation.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

He doesn't have to prove

He doesn't have to prove anything.  The swift boaters form a consensus, don't they ...

truth

The vets are telling the truth and you are misinformed. Ignorance is bliss for you, professor.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

 

Hey! That's my line!

 :^)  Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.

It's posted on my office door. The first sentence is about 80 pt., the second is 14 pt. I coined this when a coworker said, "Bush lied, men died." I emailed her a transcript of Bush's speech just before the war, and she refused to even open it. 

It's true in this instance, too. The prof seems to be missing the part where Kerry admitted to committing war crimes, and said it was "seared in his mind" that he was in Cambodia when Nixon was president. Only there's no proof he was in Cambodia, and Johnson was president at the time. Let's just discredit a book without reading it, it's easier. Kerry is a bigger "war hero" in Vietnam than he is here. The pictures of his "service" to North Vietnam were priceless. Yup, ya don't have to read the book, just look at the pictures!

The vast majority of the

The vast majority of the 280 odd veterans who were actually members of the swift boat group, were in the brown water Navy and in theater at the time Kerry served.  Several dozen of them had seen Kerry, witnessed one or more of his actions, or were actually aquainted with him while serving.

According to your argumentation in previous threads, these men must form a consensus, since there are many more of them than there are veterans who served with Kerry and support his claims.  Since these swift boat veterans form a consensus, what they say must be true.  If what they say about Kerry is true, and conflicts with what Kerry says, then Kerry and by extension, his supporters, must be either mistaken or liars.   Therefore, DENIERS, like yourself must be agents of evil simply spreading lies to undermine the truth.

The Crybaby Kerry Clock

The American Spectator has a clock on its homepage that is ticking away the seconds, minutes and hours to show how long it takes for Kerry to prove to Pickens that the Swiftboat accusastions were lies.

Great article.

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12340

 

 

Nice article -- thanks.

Nice article -- thanks.

"...unsubstantiated attacks

"...unsubstantiated attacks against John Kerry's service..."

What about the unsubstantiated claims of heroism made by Kerry?

Oh yeah, he was a hero...to the VC!

sounds like you're disparaging vets.

I thought you guys respect vets. here, you accuse a decorated vet of being a hero to the VC. I guess you guys worship those GI Joe warrior wannabes who land on aircraft carriers when their real awol career is hidden from the public.

Professor, when your

Professor, when your picture is in the Ho Chi Minh City museum shaking hands with the enemy, your "purple hearts" require no medical attention or are self inflicted stupidty, what do you call it? Kerry never flew a plane, he was brown water Navy. Bush was in the Air Reserves, never landed a plane on a carrier. Dont know where that came from. You want to discuss Vietnam, Kerry and his actions, Im all for it. Lets go.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

rathergate and AGW...I C professor

So you bought into the Dan Rather fiction like you buy into the AGW fiction.

Why not respond to this post?

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.
Thompson/Rice

"in which unsubstantiated attacks against John Kerry's service"

I am soooooo tired of this line of B.S. There was nothing "unsubstantiated", except for Kerry's service records which he refused to release in toto. There were dozens of interviews and tons of documents and testimony by vets who served with Lurch. There was also the legal probability that Lurch committed an act of treason when he went to Paris to meet the North Viet Namese.

I guess if you keep saying it over and over, people will finally believe it.

Who would trust CNN?

As to the attempted substance of the CNN segment, I file it right along with the report that the questioners at the CNN democrat debate were ordinary undecided democrats, no different from your neighbors, and not hard line democrat activists.

No credibility for you, CNN.

If Kerry's lucky hat could only talk

And tell tall tales of heroism.

Not one charge made by the Swift Vets was ever disproved. One reason is that Kerry never allowed his military records released.

A purple heart for blowing up a barrel of rice and getting a grain of rice in the a$$.

 

Let them try to "swift boat"

Let them try to "swift boat" Rudy on this issue. What's missing is that the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" were 'Nam veterans who got together when they saw a wrong and tried to make a right. (ie. Kerry lying about his military servive).  These family members of fallen first responders like the Jersey girls are nothing but first and foremost political hacks and union thugs coming together using their fallen family members as a vehicle to attack Rudy.  If the Rudy campaign is smart they will capitalize on these people's hypocrisy and neutralize them.

Giuliani poses a threat to

Giuliani poses a threat to the Democrats, and being that he is Republican and "pro-Bush", they want to take him out (in spite of his rather liberal stance on social issues).  BTW, just what exactly is their complaint against him?  Does anyone know?

In Reverse

Regenhard and Deputy Chief Richie have been using the deaths of their loved ones to further their personal political agenda since 9/11 at the expense of Rudy Giuliani. They are both highly partisan Democrats.

If they can form a 527 group against Rudy I am certain there are far greater numbers of NYC fireman and far more money to support a 527 group in support of Rudy. I am certain Giuliani knew who his enemies were before entering the race and expected and planned for such groups.

The difference between John Kerry and Rudy Giuliani is that the world watched what Rudy did in real time. We either have Kerry's word for things or we have the word of a very large group of his fellow sailors who have contested Kerry's record. 

So, after the BS, here is

So, after the BS, here is the "families" real complaint:  "The families told a handful of people about some of the fire department radios that didn't work on 9/11, about the emergency command center to coordinate a response that, instead, literally collapsed, and about the lack of respirators provided to firefighters searching for colleagues in the toxic rubble."

So, some of the radios didn't work?  Yeah, virtually no form of communications worked immediately after the WTC was hit.  Radios, cell phones, telephones, etc, ceased to function because everyone was trying to communicate at once.  Ever tried to call a family member or friend on Thanksgiving Day, Christmas Day, or Easter?  You get just a taste of the situation.

The command center was initially established by Guillani and then, moved because no one at the time knew the danger that we were in.  It was not known, initially, if there were going to be more attacks.  If the present attacks were concluded, etc.  To second guess what amounted to the "commander" of New York city in a time of crisis is 20/20 hindsight at its absurd.

One of the reasons that there were not enough respirators for the firemen in the aftermath is that hundreds of them with their wearers were crushed by the WTC towers' collapse.  Also, fireman were requested from surrounding areas, not a part of the NYFD, and in the rush, didn't bring all their equipment.  Respirators were later back filled by their departments and by vendors. 

What, the boviating Blitzer ought to do is juxtapose the above with the non existent fireman, command post, or anything resembling a working government in the city of New Orleans during the Katrina Hurricane.  There, the criminally incompetent mayor "School Bus" Nagin had made no preperation for a happenstance that had been foretold for decades.    

After Blitzer's performance at the recent defeatocrats "debate" shouldn't he have been fired?

Fired for sure...

I still don't know how Blitzer got away with the "they're so poor, so black" comment during Katrina coverage. If it would have been BOR there would have been nooses waiting for him when he got back.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Swiftboat vets were 1000%

Swiftboat vets were 1000% truthful, not sure where these firefighters get off.

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

Truth

The vets are telling the truth. Anyone who says they are not is either ignorant of the facts or a liar.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Swift Boaters vs. Kerry

Would someone take a moment and summarize the "truths" about Kerry's military service which were exposed by the Swift Boaters. 

I'm aware that Kerry was wrong about the time he was supposedly in Cambodia, and there also seems little doubt that his wounds were indeed rather minimal.

Thanks in advance.

Jer

Swift boat liars

were exposed by looking at documents from Kerry's commanding officers, who verified Kerry's medals. Their story disparaging Kerry was a typical slimy smear. Now, if all the guys on Kerry's boat vouched for Kerry's courage, why would I believe these other slimeballs?

slimeballs???

No disrepect there from you prof.

Simple question: if Kerry has nothing to hide, why not release ALL of his military records (including medical)?

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.
Thompson/Rice

LK, good to talk to you

Simple question: if Kerry has nothing to hide, why not release ALL of his military records (including medical)?

I guess we could have asked the same about Bush but his records disappeared mysteriously.(to Bush's benefit)

Kerry served his country honorably by fulfilling his duty. Too bad the same couldn't be said about lil awol.

 

 

 

professor...trolling

Why change the subject? We are discussing Kerry, not Bush.

So question still stands unanswered.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.
Thompson/Rice

LK, see my response

LK, see my response below...he already has.

Jer

jer...where are these documents

Where are these documents?

Are they available for peer review?

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.
Thompson/Rice

LK...Here are a couple of

LK...Here are a couple of pertinent links:

news.findlaw.com/legalnews/lit/election2004/docs.html

http://www.boston.co...

I need to recheck that first link.  Any progress on my request?

Jer

Here's the other

LK...While I'm getting you

LK...While I'm getting you that link(s), will you respond to my earlier post about summarizing [briefly] the major points of dispute between Kerry and the Swift Boaters?

Thanks, Jer

 

Ignorance

You are demonstrating your ignorance, "professor". You are wrong.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Kerry's records

I believe he aleady has.  The majority had already been released prior to or during the 2004 campaign.  The remainder in 2005.

Jer

Only one professor. Only

Only one professor. Only one of the guys on Kerrys boat vouched for him. Kerrys commanding officer stated that he never recommended Kerry for the medals. Kerry wrote the recommendations himself. Kerrys commanding officer sided with the swift boaters for truth. As did 2 other swift boaters who served on his boat. I for one cannot understand why someone would leave his buddies after only 3 months. I dident want to leave my guys. But I was told they were not approving anymore extensions when I left. I had no choice but to leave, but I had lots of faith in Donnies abilities.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Professor

17 out of 23 of the officers with whom Kerry served in 3 short months felt he was unfit, which included EVERY commander he ever had in Vietnam (excluding Elmo Zumwalt...hooya Seals...who was by that time dead).   EVERY commander.

That's pretty damning considering F'ing was only in Vietnam for about 3 months.

But you be sure to keep going with the talking points.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

here's proof that the swiftboat liars lie

Here's the ugly truth about the swiftboat liars from P. Truth:

 

You want Truth?? You can't handle the Truth!

http://www.oldameric...

Trite, Professor

Think your Jack Nicholson now, do you?

Literally all of the officers with whom Kerry served found him unfit for command, yet you link to some leftist site that says otherwise, and proclaim "victory".

Sheesh.

Try again, that was beyond lame.  Better yet, stick to your talking points.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

movies

Quoting movies now, are we? Here's a quote for you, "professor":

"I do not believe John Kerry is fit to be commander in chief of the armed forces of the United States. This is not a political issue. It is a matter of his judgment, truthfulness, reliability, loyalty, and trust- all absolute tenets of command."

Rear Admiral Roy F. Hoffmann, USN. (commander of the Swift Boats in Vietnam, 1968-1969).

My friends were wounded and died while this b&^%*$d lied about them in front of Congress.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

ives

Quite a while back, I read an article, an interview, actually, that was about/with one of F'ings commanders, perhaps the one you've referenced.  I wish I had bookmarked it.  It was a scathing indictment of Kerry's conduct in Vietnam.

That Kerry tried to play the "war hero" card, after having aided and abetted the enemy after his tour in Vietnam, is filthy beyond belief.

F'ing is beneath contempt. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

professor, your reference

professor, your reference is a media matters/moveon sponsered site. Your gonna have to do better than left wing extremest that are known for the lies they put out.

John Kerry in Vietnam was a joke. He shot himself. That was stupid. His showing up at the hearing in congress and the winter soldier fiesco was a joke. He lied to congress, under oath. He never cut off any ears. He moved his boat out of a fire fight and left the other boats in harms way. He provided no covering fire for the troops in the water. He moved his boat back at the ultimatum of the PO on board. He subverted the peace process in Paris. He is of the same exact stripe as Jane Fonda. Traitors both. Vietnam Veterans aginst the war were not Vietnam veterans. Fewer than .01 percent were veterans, and fewer than .001 percent were vets of Vietnam, and fewer still were combat vets. Most spent their time in Long Bien, Siagon or on the beach.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Well, it's been over three

Well, it's been over three hours since I asked if someone would provide a summary of the principle claims of the Swift Boaters re. Kerry.

So far, the silence is deafening. 

Lack of knowledge or laziness?

Jer

Jer

I am admittedly tired tonite.

But, if you choose, you could look up the SB's summary yourself.

I've read it...it's damning.

This link is from something I looked up about three hours ago.....from there...you can find lots and lots.

 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Thanks, B. Jer

Thanks, B.

Jer

Swifties may get blown out of water

I've been reviewing the SBVT website, as well as opposition ones, and I would suggest Pickens pack his checkbook if he should decide to honor his challenge to Kerry. 

One particularly salient fact [which I thought was the case, but which had been blurred and misstated so often that I wanted to reverify it] is that all but one of those who served with Kerry on his boat (11 of 12) fully support Kerry.  And the one who doesn't, Steve Gardner, admits he was not present on those occasions which resulted in the medals--including the purple hearts--being awarded to Kerry. 

Much additional info at:

http://swiftvets.eriposte.com/

Jer

Hey, "jer" let's talk 'bout

Hey, "jer" let's talk 'bout what Senator Kerry has done for you lately?

And, that would be?   Tick, tock, tick, tock.

The facts are that as the junior senator of Mass., he justs marks time.  As before his run for the presidency, he has never sponsored and had passed major legislation of any kind. 

The people of Mass. are the poorer for him having been their senator for so many years. 

Whether it was the Swift Boat sailors accusations or other reasons, like AlBore before him, he lost to President Bush.  Get over it.

jd...I've been over it ever

jd...I've been over it ever since election night...frankly it was closer than I thought it would be.

But, I did object to the trashing of Kerry's military service by the Swifties.  His anti-war activities afterwards were fair game, as long as the criticism was accurately stated.

Also, as I have said previously, I do agree that Kerry's wounds were pretty cheesy.  Beyond that, I think the Swift Boaters went overboard, so to speak.

Jer

SwiftBoating

The definition is to tell the truth and absolute truth regardless of any politics

SwiftBoating

The definition is to tell the truth and absolute truth regardless of any politics