Liberals on CNN Debate Impact of Robertson's Rudy Endorsement

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As much as the mainstream media like Rudy Giuliani’s liberal viewpoints on abortion and homosexuality, a panel on CNN’s "The Situation Room" were divided on the issue of Pat Robertson’s endorsement of Rudy Giuliani. Jack Cafferty, who won MRC’s "Tin Foil Hat Award for Crazy Conspiracy Theories" last year, labeled Robertson as being part of a "lunatic fringe" and opined that the endorsement was "absolutely irrelevant." On the other hand, CNN senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin thought the Robertson/Giuliani alliance was a "big deal."

Cafferty and Toobin, along with host Wolf Blitzer and CNN senior political analyst Gloria Borger discussed the endorsement at the bottom of the 6 pm Eastern hour. Blitzer introduced the roundtable discussion by highlighting the possible "mixed blessing" of Robertson. "While the value of Pat Robertson's endorsement is clearly debatable, he has tended to hitch his wagon to winners in the Republican primary."

Blitzer then introduced the panel, and directed the first question to Cafferty, who took the opportunity to not only criticize Robertson, but also go on one of his rants about the Iraq war.

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BLITZER: Pat Robertson, Jack, endorsing Rudy Giuliani. What do you make of this?

JACK CAFFERTY: Well, he characterized himself as a leader of the Christian right. He's a member of the lunatic fringe, if he's even a member of that community anymore. Pat Robertson has become a joke. He also said that hurricanes would descend on Orlando, Florida because gays and lesbians attended Gay Day at Disney World. The man is -- as far as I'm concerned, he has no business in the national political debate. But even more troubling, why would you even accept the endorsement of this guy? And why are we not talking about getting the hell out of Iraq? I mean we're talking the same old stuff -- talk about abortion, talk about gay rights. These are wedge issues. They have nothing to do with the overriding problems that confront this country. And this whole dialogue between these two guys, as far as I'm concerned, is absolutely irrelevant.

Toobin immediately countered Cafferty’s assessment of the Robertson endorsement.

TOOBIN: Well, I don't think it's irrelevant at all. I mean, Rudy Giuliani has promised to appoint Supreme Court justices like John Roberts and Sam Alito. That's good enough for Pat Robertson. That's why he got the nomin... that's why he got the endorsement. I think it's a big deal. I think it's very good news for Giuliani. And, you know, it just shows how much Giuliani has changed from guy who used to live with a gay couple here in New York.

Blitzer then asked for Borger’s take on this development. She saw it as part of Giuliani’s primary election strategy, but saw that the endorsement might "backfire" during the general presidential race due to the question of Giuliani’s "authenticity" on the abortion and homosexual issues.

BLITZER: Gloria, some would suggest it's not necessarily good news for Rudy Giuliani because he has appealed to Republicans and independents and moderates who do support abortion rights, do support gay rights. And this endorsement by Pat Robertson could turn them off, especially in a state like New Hampshire, where those independents and moderates play a very important role.

BORGER: Well, first of all, this is something that Giuliani wasn't just offered. This is something that Giuliani went after. Other Republicans were going after Pat Robertson. And he went after it because he wanted to say, look, how can you Evangelical Christians have any doubts about me when Pat Robertson thinks I'm okay on the issues, particularly in the war on terror? So, you know, this is -- this is really something that Giuliani decided to do as a primary election strategy. Wolf, in the general election is where I think it could really backfire. Not only will he have to continue to explain away future mistakes that Pat Robertson may make somewhere along the campaign trail, but when the question of authenticity comes up in a general election -- which it will -- what do you believe, what do you stand for, what do you care about, how is he going to answer questions about abortions and -- abortion and gay rights?

As you might expect, Blitzer played clips of Robertson’s controversial comments on Hugo Chavez and Ariel Sharon. This solicited a response from Toobin in which he characterized Giuliani as the "only candidate who is remotely close to the center."

BLITZER: You know, Jeff -- I know Jeff wants to weigh in, but before you weigh in, I want to play a couple of clips of what Pat Robertson has said in the past about Hugo Chavez, the Venezuelan leader, and Ariel Sharon, who's still in coma, the Israeli -- the former Israeli prime minister. Listen to this.

PAT ROBERTSON: You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war. And I don't think any oil shipments will stop.

Now, Ariel Sharon who is, again, a very likable person -- a delightful person to be with -- you know, I've prayed with him personally. But here he's at the point of death. He was dividing God's land. And I would say woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course.

BLITZER: Now, he apologized for both of those comments later. But, Jeff Toobin, are those the kind of statements that Rudy Giuliani really wants to be associated with, even indirectly like this?

TOOBIN: He doesn't have to defend Pat Robertson. What he has to do is keep the Evangelicals divided -- as they've been divided among the other candidates -- among Thompson, among Romney, and even McCain. He's -- he is the only candidate who is remotely close to the center. But the thing is, there's no one who is going to push him on that side. There is no one closer to the center. That's -- the party is so conservative at this point, as long as he can be the left-most candidate, keeping the rest of the race scrambled is good for him.

Come again? How can Giuliani be "remotely close to the center" if his stances on abortion and homosexuality are identical to Hillary Clinton’s? Toobin was closer to the truth when he said Rudy is the "left-most candidate" in the Republican presidential field.

—Matthew Balan is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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all that matters is what

all that matters is what God will do with this - I'm not worried:)

if Rudy thinks an endorsement will impress evangelicals like me - again it's obvious he doesn't understand evangelicals at all

Rudy's a nice guy but outside of NY he's a RINO

Partner with Islam and the NiceBelievers respect police:)

"Rudy's a nice guy but outside of NY he's a RINO"

"if Rudy thinks an endorsement will impress evangelicals like me - again it's obvious he doesn't understand evangelicals at all"

...agreed TM, good to see us on the same page again...

v

...and only one road leads to Heaven...

CAIR came out today with a

CAIR came out today with a near demand that Rudy reject the endorsement.

Like that's really gonna happen.

 

Pat's endorsement still has

Pat's endorsement still has me stunned!!!

And here I always thought Pat was pro-life. 

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Robertson is pro-life. But

Robertson is pro-life. But I think he knows that a President cannot overturn Roe v Wade by executive order. And he also knows that being pro-life first of all means keeping Islamofascists from killing us.

Pat could have chosen

Pat could have chosen someone that is pro-life and fight Islamofascists. So at this point I think Pat is wavering in his beliefs.

Note to all: There are other candidates that can and will fight terrorism. 

 

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First of all, let me say I

First of all, let me say I completely disagree with Pat Robertson and don't have the foggiest idea of why he chose to endorse Giuliani.

That being said, I find it interesting that the liberals are ripping into Robertson.  I mean, don't they always condemn the religious right for being too stuck in their ways and for failing to be "progressive".  Well, here is one of the most hated of the religious right endorsing a candidate who supports things that most conservatives do not.  Isn't that a good thing in the eyes of these libs?  Shouldn't Robertson be praised by them?

Darth Dutch

for years now ...

...I have endured the slings and arrows of liberals who have tried to convince evangelicals like me that Pat Robertson is a nutcase.

I realize now that they may have been right. What a huge disappointment, but it won't change my vote. RINOs like Rudy need not apply.

Good sign

I think that this is a good sign for Republicans.  The 

Democrats are counting on evangelicals staying home on 

election day if a RINO is nominated, and on the moderate 

Republicans staying home if a true conservative wins the 

nomination...

...but this illustrates the reality - that we'd vote for a ham 

sandwich if it would keep the Clintons out of the White 

House. 

 

Reality Check

An Eye Dee Ten Tea from Huffington Post

told Shep Smith yesterday that Robertson had violated his own principles by endorsing a "drag queen".

Shep told him if that's all he has, he has nothing.

I have a poll up at my place, asking about endorsements. So far 100% of my respondents have said that endorsements don't make any difference to them at all.

kimsch

http://www.musing-minds.com/2007/11/07/endorsement-poll/

A Few Centuries Late

Europeans must shake their heads as the contemplate Americans seriously debating the impact of an endorsement by someone who would be more at home in the 17th century, attending to a witch burning.

The endorsement flips out

The endorsement flips out the left because they believe that evangelicals will not vote if Rudy ends up being the candidate.  They are so far from the truth.  If Hillary is the dem nominee, I promise you everyone in my evangelical, southern baptist church will go to the polls and vote against Hillary, regardless if it is Rudy, Thompson, or Romney.  How stupid do these elites think we are? 

The way I look at it, if we

The way I look at it, if we are all dead, then "standing on principals" won't mean anything! We know that Hillary is a socialist, and would do great harm to our Nation, and the rest of the dim candidates wouldn't have the slightest idea how to confront the issues that face our country, let alone keep us safe.

Other than Ron Paul, ANYONE who wins the Republican nomination would do a fine job. The President can do very little, when it comes to right to life issues, except appoint strict constructionist judges. Rudy has pleadged to do that. I think most of the other candidates would do the same. But if there is a litmus test that we feel a candidate must pass, that would be the one. Who ever wins the White House in '08 will have the oportunity to nominate one or more Supreme Court Justices. I cringe to think of the kind of radical lunatics a Hillary Clinton or Barry H. Obama would throw up there!

Confused?!?

Why has Pat Robertson decided one year before the election that he needs to endorse anybody, much less Rudi?  I don't buy all this stuff about the party nominee will be decided by Feb 08 etc.  There are other Republican candidates who are much more socially conservative than Rudi such as Mike Huckabee and Duncan Hunter.  Mike Huckabee would be the most correct fit based on evangelical beliefs.  We evangelicals aren't mindless robots who vote for whomever the Christian Coalition or Moral Majority pick out for us.  I actually think Pat may be a bit senile and I doubt his endorsement will help Rudi at all and may actually hurt his chances with moderates. 

Keep any eye on Mick Huckabee, he's catching on!

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