Sunny Hostin, a legal analyst for CNN’s "American Morning," demonstrated that she could not give an objective analysis on the legality of the death penalty during a segment on Wednesday’s show. Hostin, in a response to a question asked by co-host Kiran Chetry on the future of capitol punishment in the U.S., answered, "I think, as a society, perhaps, now we're moving towards the fact that, perhaps, killing by the state is not humane at all."
This "curious" reply, which came 21 minutes into the 7 am hour of "American Morning," wasn’t the only one Hostin made during the segment. Earlier, Hostin said that "people really are suffering" during lethal injection executions.
The subject of the death penalty came up due to the Supreme Court’s decision to give a stay of execution to Earl Wesley Berry, a convicted murderer on Mississippi’s death row. Berry abducted a 56-year old grandmother named Mary Bounds as she was leaving church on November 29, 1987. He apparently planned to rape her, but instead, drove her to a forest where he beat her to death.
Hostin pointed out during the segment, "the Supreme Court really has been grappling with this issue of lethal injections, whether or not it's cruel and unusual." She later added, "If you look at the Supreme Court's sort of reasoning right now, they're grappling with not the constitutionality of the executions, but the method of execution."
At the end of the segment, Hostin endorsed a relativistic view of societal "decency."
HOSTIN: ...[I]f lethal injection is supposed to be the most humane, what are we left with? And hopefully, we're not left with anything, because cruel and unusual is sort of a swinging, changing evolution of the decency of our society, and if we can't hang people anymore, and if we don't kill people by firing squad, and now lethal injection is inhumane, perhaps our society is moving away from executions.
A full transcript of the segment from Wednesday’s "American Morning:"
KIRAN CHETRY: Moving on to another legal story -- yesterday, the Supreme Court granted a stay of execution for Mississippi killer Earl Wesley Berry. This was 15 minutes before he was scheduled to die from lethal injection. So, what does the stay mean for the future of the death penalty in the country?
SUNNY HOSTIN: This is a fascinating case, and you're right, all of the drama is there. Fifteen minutes before he was set to die, the Supreme Court issued the stay. The Supreme Court really has been grappling with this issue of lethal injections, whether or not it's cruel and unusual. We know this cocktail is now used. You have an anesthetic. You also have a muscle relax -- paralyzer. And then finally, something that stops your heart. Well, inmates are challenging that. They're saying it's very, very painful. And people forget, doctors are not performing this. Doctors can't perform executions because of their oath, and so you have medical, not medical professionals doing it, and people really are suffering. And so, I think if the Supreme Court says this is cruel and unusual, what is going to happen? We know now, no hangings, no firing squads, not really electric chair. This is supposed to be the most humane way of killing people. I think, as a society, perhaps, now we're moving towards the fact that, perhaps, killing by the state is not humane at all.
CHETRY: So, this would effectively halt executions, since lethal injection is the most common way that these execution punishments are carried out.
HOSTIN: That's right. That's right.
CHETRY: Is this political? Does this have a political tilt to it, or is this true concern about whether or not the procedure needs to be tweaked?
HOSTIN: I think it's true concern. If you look at the Supreme Court's sort of reasoning right now, they're grappling with not the constitutionality of the executions, but the method of execution. But as you mentioned, if lethal injection is supposed to be the most humane, what are we left with? And hopefully, we're not left with anything, because cruel and unusual is sort of a swinging, changing evolution of the decency of our society, and if we can't hang people anymore, and if we don't kill people by firing squad, and now lethal injection is inhumane, perhaps our society is moving away from executions.
CHETRY: Sunny Hostin, great to see you, thanks.
HOSTIN: Thank you.
—Matthew Balan is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.
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"people really are suffering" during lethal injection
October 31, 2007 - 15:47 ET by bsmarjAHHHH!
The Final Solution
October 31, 2007 - 21:13 ET by TruthMongerCan we maybe send death-row inmates to abortion clinics and suction them through a hose instead? The left has no problem with that...
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suction them through a hose instead?
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So why does capital
October 31, 2007 - 15:48 ET by Subsailor599So why does capital punishment HAVE to be humane? What about the victims of these criminals, was their death humane?
Capital punishment has
October 31, 2007 - 18:58 ET by bbbossto be humane because it is written in the Constitution. I have a problem with the death penalty also, but not for the reasons this CNN analyst spouts. I have a problem with the inconsistancy....and not just the Feds. Even many states are inconsistant in the punishment, giving it out to some who deserve it and not to others.....and most of all, if one man is put to death and is innocent of the crime that put him there, I have a real problem with it. Someone here mentioned the old days of the chair and the gas chambers of the '20s and '30s...well, 10% (estimated) of those put to death were flat out innocent back then. I don't have a problem with dead scumbags...I could easily pull the trigger and sleep very well the next night..I am no bleeding heart. I just want it carried out with firmness and compassion. And not in a festive manner...I am as about as tough and mean as they come, but I get disgusted when people celebrate the death of a man, even a scumbag man.
exactly, bbboss
October 31, 2007 - 19:03 ET by RJAs I (and dave R) said above, it doesn't make sense to give this kind of trust to a government we don't trust.
So.... We should have the
November 1, 2007 - 11:58 ET by JimboSo.... We should have the death penalty only when there is a Democrat in the White house?
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Your problem is really one
November 1, 2007 - 12:04 ET by MightyMouthYour problem is really one of "collateral damage". This is something we are willing to accept in war but not in dispensing justice? Yes, some innocent men may die, but not on "purpose". It's a consequence of being infallible humans, mistakes can be made. That's just the reality of carrying out war or dispensing justice.
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Welll... 'Cruel and unusual.'
October 31, 2007 - 21:08 ET by heldmywI mean, death isn't cruel. LIFE is cruel!
It's that "unusual" business.
Pumping a toxic load into a vein just isn't all that 'usual' for the death-penalty bound.
The death penalty should probably be more like, shooting with a 'Saturday night special', running over with a car, gang-raped and throat slit, bludgeoned with a tire iron, you know... the 'usual' ways these killers get to where they are!
That's only fair. And for them? Business as usual!
IT'S NOT INHUMANE...
November 1, 2007 - 14:58 ET by danybhoyThis arguement is not about how we carry out capital punishment, it's that we SHOULD'NT have capital punishment. The arguement against the death penalty here is a fraud. For example, when you think it's time to put your dog or cat, or even a horse at the track (remember George Washington at the Breeder's Cup last week when he suffered a broken leg). We give them a lethal injection because the animal just goes to sleep. Pet owners would never go through that proccess if it was inhumane, they love their pets too much.
Those who want to ban lethal injection will object to any manner in which we kill those we convict of capital crimes. Soooooo, I have a suggestion, I remember a device invented by Dr.Guilotine, it is a bit messy, but it was introduced because it worked quickly. I think it high time we bring back the guilotine if lethal injection prolongs the suffering, it should'nt just be a prop at an Alice Cooper concert anymore. Off with their head...
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Executions are sooooooo icky.
October 31, 2007 - 15:57 ET by KillgraveElectric chairs and gas chambers? That is so 1920s. We need to be more hip.
We need to make executions as customer-friendly and non-threatening as possible. It's just mean to make a guy uncomfortable, not to mention scared!
They should decorate the "departure suite" in soft colors and low light. Maybe show the customer a pleasant movie, like in "Soylent Green", where he can listen to pleasant music as he slowly drifts into a relaxed sleep.
Maybe add some furniture...
October 31, 2007 - 16:10 ET by Karma...to the suite?
We could always goto the
October 31, 2007 - 15:59 ET by Dan The Man 2We could always goto the guiotine, quick and painless. At least none have complained to date. In all seriousness it severs all connection with any vital organs to keep the brain alive. And as an added bonus we can make sure all those immortals out there get their just rewards. There can be only one.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
That is so wrong on so many
October 31, 2007 - 16:17 ET by Ruths husband BenThat is so wrong on so many levels. For one thing, unless another immortal is nearby, you are wasting a quickening!
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This is CNN's legal analyst?????
October 31, 2007 - 16:03 ET by Lame CherryWhat kind of brain dead putzerina is this when she does not even understand the English vocabulary?
The state DOES NOT KILL citizens. The state EXECUTES citizens.
Of course killing people by the state is inhumane AS THAT IS WHAT STALIN DID, HITLER DID...........and unless Sunster is speaking of aborticide or invalidcide as Terri Schiavo had murdered on her, she is just another liberal dolt with a mental minature mind.
For the record, people KILL meat, vegetables and the criminal brute rapist, child molester and murderer in the act when people feel threatened.
Armies, KILL other nations soldiers and citizens in times of war and acts of retaliation.
Governments EXECUTE criminally tried citizens.
The only inhumane acts are MURDER and there is a difference between MURDER and KILLING and EXECUTING. That is why societies have laws making a difference based upon Biblical laws.
To murder is to take something which does not belong to you, another person's life. To kill is to consume or protect that which is legally gained by you. To execute is to protect society from MURDER.
CNN needs to fire said Sunster and get in someone who knows the English definitions of language and what is legal and illegal.
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"People really are
October 31, 2007 - 16:07 ET by bassndude"People really are suffering..."
So? Who cares? They sure dident take a poll of the person/persons they were killing at the time. Did they consider if their victims were suffering at the time? Give me a break. I say they should be executed the same way they killed their victims.
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Inhumane?
October 31, 2007 - 16:28 ET by XJ.JonFor years, it has been said that lethal injections were the humane way to execute criminals. Well, I guess that depends on your definition of humane. If a someone kills in a gruesome, painfull manner, how can you argue for his/her human rights? I think lethal injections are far beyond humane for anyone who murders. Period. ESPECIALLY for anyone who has killed for pleasure, caused a lot of pain in doing so, or has killed on multiple occasions. I was raised the old-school way, taught that every action has a reaction. It is called taking responsibility for my actions, which I am still learning to do. But if I go out and hurt someone, there aught to be consequences. Execution is the consequence for haenous crimes, and should be. As soon as we stop executions, haenous crime rates will go up. Maybe just a little, but even a little is too much. Probably the number one fear in the world is Death. The fear of execution as punishment has probably saved thousands of lives. Take that fear away, and you have more haenous crimes.
For those of you who were not raised like I was, Consequences are the bad things that happen to you after you screw up. Also known as Punishment (spankings, detentions, Jail, ex-spouses, asskickings, etc.)
"...killing by the state is not humane at all."
October 31, 2007 - 16:19 ET by vrwc13"I think, as a society, perhaps, now we're moving towards the fact that, perhaps, killing by the state is not humane at all." Sunny Hostin
Tell that to Planned Parenthood....
v
My thoughts exactly. "And
October 31, 2007 - 16:48 ET by CortillaenMy thoughts exactly. "And people forget, doctors are not performing this. Doctors
can't perform executions because of their oath..." Hmm... Last I checked, said oath hasn't stopped docters from murdering entirely innocent, unborn babies. These children aren't even getting a first chance at life, but of course murdering scum deserve yet another.
Also, "Well, inmates are challenging that. They're saying it's very, very
painful." First, how would the inmates have any idea of what lethal injection feels like? Barring some of the drug addicts, I sincerely doubt any of them have had lethal substances injected into their veins. If they have and are still with us, someone needs to be looking into the matter. Besides, exactly who cares what they say? They're just trying to save their own skins. If they are worried about pain during execution, maybe they shouldn't have put themselves into the position to experience it.
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Hypocracy at its finest...
October 31, 2007 - 17:20 ET by vrwc13...the dems supporting abortion AND stopping the death penalty.
v
sad so very sad...
But vrwc13 it makes perfect
October 31, 2007 - 17:33 ET by MightyMouthBut vrwc13 it makes perfect sense. An unborn baby hasn't become a "victim" yet (until they kill him/her of course) whereas a person deserving the death penalty may have been victimized all his/her life. (especially if he/she is a minority).
So in their liberal little brains they must save the victim (criminal) and "save by killing" the non-victim (unborn baby) from being a "victim" someday.
Makes sense right?...no, it doesn't to me either...
But I may be wrong, maybe they just think un-born babies aren't as "human" as serial killers?
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MM
October 31, 2007 - 17:35 ET by vrwc13...afraid common sense isn't very common anymore...kind of sums it up.
v
In my view, abortion can be
November 1, 2007 - 20:47 ET by CortillaenIn my view, abortion can be defined as first-degree murder quite easily. First-degree murder can be defined as "the intentional, cold-blooded, and pre-meditated destruction of the life of another human being", and I don't think anyone can argue with that definition. Now, there is just the need to define what constitutes a "human being". Most of the concepts being bandied about are simply idiotic: each baby matures at a different rate, so using an arbitrary time to separate human and non-human isn't acceptable, and trying to make it based on a certain level of development is equally unacceptable since we already afford the right to life to people in vegetative states or comas if they are assured of recovery (like the babies being assured of continued developmnt). So how to define a human being? Simple: any living entity with a unique DNA code identifying it as the species Homo Sapien. This is the only scientific, non-arbitrary definition of "human being" that I can come up with, and it happens to include even the fertilized egg. Under these two definitions, all abortions, at any stage, are murder in the first degree, and I haven't even mentioned religion once, just simple, easily understood definitions. Incidentally, I have yet to come across a single argument to this structure that is not based purely on opinion.
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Missed one big hurdle: Gotta
November 1, 2007 - 20:57 ET by balboaMissed one big hurdle: Gotta define "living."
Bal, only an idiot would
November 1, 2007 - 21:35 ET by CortillaenBal, only an idiot would try to argue that even an egg cell is dead, much less a fetus. If the mitochondria are operating, I'd call it alive. That's no hurdle at all, much less a big one, and I've still used nothing but science and legality.
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bal - 12 weeks
November 2, 2007 - 11:38 ET by vrwc13...many women only now (12 weeks) realize they are pregnant..
get a clue... 8 weeks ... 6 weeks
v
Technically...
October 31, 2007 - 20:02 ET by GrannyGrump42... killing by PP isn't killing by the state. Though it is state sanctioned and (depending on the state) state funded.
PP is the hit man. Our tax dollars pay for the hits.
good, i feel much better
October 31, 2007 - 21:15 ET by TruthMongergood, i feel much better then:)
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All for the guillotine
October 31, 2007 - 16:22 ET by TjexciteLets roll out the guillotine. Or send them to China or Iraq as they do not have this problem of caring how a murder is done away with or even the innocent one.
"If we execute murderers and there is in fact no deterrent effect, we have killed a bunch of murderers. If we fail to execute murderers, and doing so would in fact have deterred other murders, we have allowed the killing of a bunch of innocent victims. I would much rather risk the former. This, to me, is not a tough call."
John McAdams - Marquette University/Department of Political Science, on deterrence
I have always held that
October 31, 2007 - 16:24 ET by Clear thinkerI have always held that anyone that murders and get's the death penalty should die by the same methods they used on their victim.
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my thoughts exactly.
October 31, 2007 - 16:40 ET by Sick-n-Tiredmy thoughts exactly.
Have to disagree on that
October 31, 2007 - 20:05 ET by GrannyGrump42Normal people -- and this includes folks involved in executions -- lack the comfort with killing that makes murderers able to do the things they do. Who would we find that would be capable of doing such things to another human being? Other heinous murderers. Do we hire them as exectutioners?
The whole thing gets too macabre and creepy.
Find a way to dispatch them that is as painless as possible to the poor sap that has to pull the switch/trigger.
I'm too pro-life to even
October 31, 2007 - 21:19 ET by TruthMongerI'm too pro-life to even favor the death penalty - but that's just me - I can't see Jesus giving it the thumbs up for some reason - it sounds too OT to me - not New Covenent...
of course please feel free to disparage me, fellow conservatives - I'm braced for the usual impact...
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Not logical TM...
November 2, 2007 - 12:01 ET by MightyMouthIf you truly believe Jesus Christ is God then He and only He has the power of life and death. Therefore all human deaths are "allowed" to happen by Him. This also includes other evil that is done by man upon man. In most cases we simply do not understand the "reason". Only He knows the reason. In the case of capital punishment I think we can clearly understand the reason.
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It's entirely possible for
October 31, 2007 - 21:34 ET by CortillaenIt's entirely possible for someone to execute a criminal without enjoying or even being indifferent to the act. I, for example, do not in any way condone or enjoy killing, yet I've entered the military, a profession that is defined by war and death. I'm not here to kill, I'm here to serve my country as best I can, and I think the same mentality is proper for an executioner: They kill those who have been sentenced to that fate by our system of law because someone has to do it, and they have decided to spare someone else that duty. One profession spares citizens violence being commited upon them, and the other spares them from commiting violence to uphold the law. Both of them serve their country.
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"...perhaps, now we're
October 31, 2007 - 16:41 ET by Sick-n-Tired"...perhaps, now we're moving towards the fact that, perhaps, killing by the state is not humane at all."
One of my college buddies was one of the four killed by the Carr brothers. To my vivid recollection I know that they (my friend and the other victims) didn't die in anything that resembled a humane fashion. These murderers do not deserve ANY human treatment. Did they (the perps) show that to their victims???????????? I think not.
Hostin and the like..............well, they are maligned fools.
perhaps our society is
October 31, 2007 - 16:29 ET by SMGalbraithperhaps our society is moving away from executions.
Then let "society" change the laws on the application of the death penalty and not the courts.
The issue on the table is whether lethal injections - not the death penalty itself - is unconstitutional.
The Constitution places limits on what the government can do. And the government includes those in the executive, legislative and judicial branches. If judges - like legal analysts -don't like the death penalty, run for the legislature and change it.
SMG
well said. I could not
October 31, 2007 - 16:45 ET by buddycwell said. I could not agree more. Let the the voters decide.
But the media hasn't
October 31, 2007 - 16:54 ET by CortillaenBut the media hasn't succeeded in brainwashing all of the public into voting for total idiocy, yet! They can't let the people decide anything until they've finished educating and informing all of the common sense out of every last voter, and they need some way to move their agenda forward in the meantime (read: until they can sneak the Fairness Doctrine through). [/sarc]
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This is a great topic to
October 31, 2007 - 16:42 ET by buddycThis is a great topic to discuss. I am semi religious and conservative but don't support the death penalty. I believe that our constitution gave to the states the right to impose penalties for crimes. Nothing in the constitution precludes Virginia or Texas from imposing the death penalty for captibal crimes. Elected legislators should in open and public debates make those decision. Un-elected judges should NOT make those decisions in secret. Federal judges sould not impose their views on states.
As is the norm CNN misses the point entirely. When you are as agenda driven as CNN is sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees.
buddyc,
October 31, 2007 - 16:49 ET by Dave RI agree, as my position on the death penalty is actually in the midst of changing.
I used to be all for it, but not so much anymore. It has become way, way too expensive given the ultimate result.
I also have a really hard time seeing Jesus reaching up and throwing the switch on somebody. I just don't see that happening.
"seeing Jesus reaching up and throwing the switch"
October 31, 2007 - 17:07 ET by vrwc13...maybe not, but someday He will be dividing the goats from the sheep (the wolves are already separated).
The only good thing about not having a death penalty is it would give one time to reconsider his/her destiny.
v
vrwc13, you are exactly right.
October 31, 2007 - 17:47 ET by Dave RThe only good thing about not having a death penalty is it would give one time to reconsider his/her destiny.
I am not comfortable with the idea of man (who is far from infallible) making what might very well be an eternal decision for other human beings.
Remember, God is willing to forgive anyone who asked for it, reqardless of what they have done. Do we have the right, not to mention the wisdom, to make that forgiveness impossible?
I am not sure that we do.
Foregiveness is one thing,
October 31, 2007 - 17:52 ET by vrwc13Foregiveness is one thing, and justice another. Jesus forgave the other man on the cross next to Him. But He still allowed his penalty to be completed.
v
Exactly. Jesus provided the
October 31, 2007 - 17:58 ET by Dave RExactly. Jesus provided the others with an opportunity for redemption.
If we interefere and execute a person who may have not have as yet been afforded that same opportunity, are we not putting ourselves on the same level as God?
If we interefere and
October 31, 2007 - 18:06 ET by Free StinkerIf we interefere and execute a person who may have not have as yet been
afforded that same opportunity, are we not putting ourselves on the
same level as God?
No.
Do you think God needs our help with saving people? Acts 17:24-25
I'm with Dave -
October 31, 2007 - 21:21 ET by TruthMongerI'm with Dave - pro-life...
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No, Free, I don't think God needs help with anything.
October 31, 2007 - 21:55 ET by Dave RIt's like the Bible says, it is appointed unto man once to die, and then the judgment.
I wonder if we are not somehow subverting this proocess in some way.
I quess I am questioning why we as humans feel that we are anywhere near wise enough to make decisions of this nature. Decisions that could very well send someone to hell for an eternity.
I am not doing this out of sympathy for the violent criminals in our midst, especially those who harm children. Lock them up, weld the door shut and forget about them. I don't care.
But when we take it upon ourselves to end their life on Earth, I cannot help but think we are taking on a responsibility that, just perhaps, we were never really mean to have.
And I still cannot see Jesus walking up and ending a human beings life. Even the life of a murdering scum.
And while we're on the
October 31, 2007 - 18:00 ET by Free StinkerAnd while we're on the subject, look how easy it was for the other man to be saved.
In his short comment the other man stated:
Luke 23:40-42
But the other criminal protested, “Don’t you fear God even when you have been sentenced to die? We deserve to die for our crimes, but this man hasn’t done anything wrong.” Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your Kingdom.”
I also have a really hard
October 31, 2007 - 17:08 ET by Free StinkerI also have a really hard time seeing Jesus reaching up and throwing the switch on somebody. I just don't see that happening.
He took a whip to people for selling stuff in The Temple. What do you think he might do to someone who murdered a child?
What do you think he might do to someone who murdered a child?
October 31, 2007 - 17:17 ET by vrwc13...and what He does to those "left behind" in Revelations! Be afraid, very afraid.
v
vrwc, he cant do that! Its
October 31, 2007 - 17:22 ET by bassndudevrwc, he cant do that! Its cruel and unusual punishment!!
I cant wait for the law suit. "Sinners and unbelivers vs. God Almighty"
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Bass...
October 31, 2007 - 17:25 ET by vrwc13...it's not like He hasn't warned them!
v
Jesus can do things we
October 31, 2007 - 21:29 ET by TruthMongerJesus can do things we can't that we can't - being God - I'm uncomfortable dealing out death in any circumstance myself...
Jesus us gives us all kinds of restorative powers to utilize instead - prayer, ministry, etc. Many great Christians are ex-cons. Prison ministry has accomplished truly amazing recoveries. Ironically of course the left wants to bar these prison ministries that could save so many of these death-row criminals due to the so-called "separation of church and state" lmao
I was also incredibly inspired by the Pope's forgiveness, compassion, and personal care of his would-be assassin...
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vrcw,
October 31, 2007 - 18:01 ET by Dave RTrue, but that event will be on God's timetable.
Not ours.
Are you saying Jesus would
October 31, 2007 - 17:27 ET by balboaAre you saying Jesus would execute murderers?
Bal, God routinely "punished" sinners.
October 31, 2007 - 17:33 ET by vrwc13Bal, God routinely "punished" sinners. And will continue to do so.
Remember Jesus Himself said that the Father and I are One.
v
So you're saying Jesus is
October 31, 2007 - 17:36 ET by balboaSo you're saying Jesus is pro-death penalty.
God is full of mercy and
October 31, 2007 - 17:40 ET by vrwc13God is full of mercy and grace (thankfully) but He is also just.
v
Yeah but wasn't he also the
October 31, 2007 - 17:57 ET by balboaYeah but wasn't he also the guy who said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" when that woman was about to be stoned?
No balboa he wasn't the
October 31, 2007 - 18:01 ET by MightyMouthNo balboa he wasn't the "guy" who said that.... He IS the God of the universe. If you believe in that of course. If you don't... well you're wrong :-)
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But he said it, is the
October 31, 2007 - 18:04 ET by balboaBut he said it, is the point.
Bal - please note: in that
October 31, 2007 - 18:08 ET by Free StinkerBal - please note: in that story someone was missing.
The guy . . .
The guy who committed adultary with the woman. Were is the justice in stoning only the woman?
I don't know where the guy
October 31, 2007 - 18:10 ET by balboaI don't know where the guy is. Does that mean if the guy had been there, the story would have had Jesus saying, "Yes, stone them both"?
I don't know. What I do
October 31, 2007 - 18:18 ET by Free StinkerI don't know.
What I do know is that in this story, they don't say "this man & woman have been caught in adultary". Odd how the guy is missing . . . these guys are bringing Jesus an obvious case of injustice. Where is the guy? The same Law of Moses calls for both adulterers to die.
The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught in adultery, and having set her in the center of the court, they said to Him, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in adultery, in the very act. "Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do You say?" They were saying this, testing Him, so that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground. But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."
Bal I think you are correct
October 31, 2007 - 21:34 ET by TruthMongerBal I think you are correct - God did say that
I don't think the death penalty and the NT square myself - I'm pro-life
The wages of sin is death. God controls the death penalty - that's what you get unless you accept the salvation of Jesus Christ - it's a get out of jail free card...
If you haven't done that you're heading for the death penalty...that's the Evangelical message anyway...Billy Graham's life work in a nutshell...
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So you're saying Jesus is pro-death penalty
October 31, 2007 - 17:42 ET by MightyMouthWhere would be be today if He wasn't?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM...never thought of it like that..
October 31, 2007 - 17:44 ET by vrwc13...He allowed Himself to be executed.
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the crucifixion is so
October 31, 2007 - 21:35 ET by TruthMongerthe crucifixion is so profound on thousands of levels:)
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Ooo, now I can poke fun at
October 31, 2007 - 23:28 ET by CortillaenOoo, now I can poke fun at my so-called "liberal Christian" friends. "The death penalty helped form Christianity!" This'll be rather amusing.
http://www.rhjunior.... Great comics with a hefty dose of Christian and anti-nutjob goodness.
"With your mind as high as Mt. Fuji you can see all things clearly. And you can see all the forces that shape events; not just the things near to you." -Miyamoto Musashi
"So you're saying Jesus is
October 31, 2007 - 18:00 ET by ckc1227"So you're saying Jesus is pro-death penalty."
Why would you believe otherwise?
Must have been all that
October 31, 2007 - 18:02 ET by balboaMust have been all that stuff about forgiving us our sins.
if you accept
October 31, 2007 - 21:36 ET by TruthMongerif you accept salvation:)
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"I also have a really hard
October 31, 2007 - 17:24 ET by ckc1227"I also have a really hard time seeing Jesus reaching up and throwing the switch on somebody. I just don't see that happening."
Really?
Jesus is God
October 31, 2007 - 20:06 ET by GrannyGrump42One Person of Him.
And God has had no trouble smiting the wicked.
This shouldn't be news to
October 31, 2007 - 16:54 ET by jdhawkThis shouldn't be news to anyone. The leftist coddle heinous dictators the world over and give a care for the victims of their thuggery.
True to form, it is all about the perpetrator that murders and then is allowed to draw breath for 20+ years until all but the Pope has reviewed his or her case. Of course, the wait is so long that the victim(s) loved ones are old and infirm or even dead themselves.
What's next? The periodic news article from the drive by media dismayed that the number of crimes has gone down while prison terms and the incarcerated has gone up - seemingly never able to make the connection?
Or, I know. Obsfucating the race of the perpetrator(s) (overwhelmingly black) as long as possible as a case is first reported and then, as it unfolds, from the reading and/or viewing public.
Or, hey. Berate law enforcement when they do their job - apprehending and deporting illegal aliens wherever they are found.
Or, yeah. Convicting white boys for raping a black girl before they had their day in court; exonerating black boys for beating up a white boy before they have had their day in court.
It just goes on and on . . .
Privatization?
October 31, 2007 - 16:59 ET by BrillianceMaybe we should privatize capital punishment.
Heres how it would work:
Families or family members of the victims of condemned murderers show up at the prison at a specified date - Take custody of the chained murderer and transport them to the local "planned death-of-hood" center of their choice.
I would love to see the left squirm with uncomfortable irony when they argue against THAT plan.