CNBC host Donny Deutsch appeared on Friday’s "Today" with co-host Meredith Vieira, to get his take on his recent interview of Ann Coulter, and for his response to something Vieira mentioned in the promo for the segment: "We're going to show you what she said, and then, you decide if you think, maybe she should be taken off the airwaves permanently. Some people are actually saying she should not be on television anymore."
During his earlier interview of Coulter, Deutsch compared the conservative writer to Iranian president Ahmadinejad, after Coulter confirmed that she believed all people should be Christians. "Why don't I put you with the head of Iran? Come on, you can't believe that." Coulter made an awkward defense of this belief, which may have dug the hole deeper for the writer, since she immediately responded by saying, "We just want Jews to be perfected, as they say."
In his "Today" appearance, which came 12 minutes into the 7 am Eastern hour, Deutsch compared Coulter to the more-benign Britney Spears. "Britney Spears crashed her car again. Because until she does, she doesn't exist. Ann Coulter, without even realizing it -- I don't think she was doing that on purpose. She, genuinely, was like, 'I'm sorry I offended you.' But we're creating these critters in the media, that until she does that, she doesn't exist."
"Today" replayed large parts of the Coulter interview prior to Deutsch’s appearance. Deutsch attempted to take a "moral high road" with regards to Coulter. A partial transcript of his exchange with Vieira, who "went down memory lane" by bringing up past quotes of Coulter:
DEUTSCH: ...Britney Spears crashed her car again. Because until she does, she doesn't exist. Ann Coulter, without even realizing it -- I don't think she was doing that on purpose. She, genuinely, was like, 'I'm sorry I offended you.' But we're creating these critters in the media, that until she does that, she doesn't exist. I want to hear somebody in the media to say, 'It's kind of over. It's boring. It's silly. And I think the candidates need to follow this. I didn't -- we didn't service this. I didn't even want them to run this. I think people are just tired of this nonsense.
VIEIRA: What is it about this that crossed the line? Can we go down memory lane with Ann Coulter?
DEUTSCH: Sure, yeah.
VIEIRA: Last year, on your show, about Bill Clinton, she said, 'I think that sort of rampart promiscuity does show some level of latent homosexuality.' Muslims: 'We should raid their countries, kill their leaders, convert them to Christianity.' On the 9/11 widows, she said, among other things: 'I've never seen people enjoying their husbands’ deaths so much.' This is her stock and trade. Talk about marketing.
DEUTSCH: Exactly. She's a lounge act. The scary thing for me here was, she wasn't doing it on purpose. It wasn't -- and I think we're playing dangerously with words in our society that there's no accountability. There's a glibness that we and the media kind of elevate. I'm here to kind of say, 'I'm personally tired of it, and I think America is tired of it also.'"
VIEIRA: You're saying she should not be allowed on the air?
DEUTSCH: Of course, she should be allowed on the air. It's free speech. But I think the consumers are going to start to vote, and I think you're going to see less of this stuff on television. If you really follow the things that are successful today, hate is going out. When the producer is booking, 'Oh, here we go again.' People are just tired of it. You're tired of it. I'm tired of it. And forget -- this is not an indictment of her. This is not a religious discussion. This to me is a moment in time where we kind of say, enough -- everybody in the studio that is watching is going, 'Oh.' Yet, we're talking about it. So you go, wait a second. Aren't we part of the problem?
VIEIRA: Of course, we are. We're perpetuating it.
DEUTSCH: But I'm here to raise my hand as one and say, 'You know what. Over. Done. I don't care. It's not that interesting. It really isn't.
VIEIRA: Donny Deutsch, thanks very much. Good to see you.
So, Donny Deutsch isn’t in favor of regulating speech in the airwaves. That’s good to see in television talk show host. But the very fact "Today" even brought that train of thought into the discussion is sobering.
—Matthew Balan is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.




















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interesting choice of words
October 12, 2007 - 17:31 ET by landsharkfrom Meredith. Should Ann be allowed to be on the air? Sounds suspiciously like censorship to me. It's not as if she asked if TV hosts and producers should invite her to be on the air - that would be a fair question - but saying someone should not be allowed on the air is a very different thing.
Compare this with the uproar over radio stations boycotting the Dixie Chicks. I don't expect anyone in the MSM to make note of the duplicity.
and they won't:)
October 12, 2007 - 19:48 ET by TruthMongershould comedy central be allowed on the air?
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Deutsch invited her
October 12, 2007 - 20:16 ET by KC MulvilleFor someone who invited her, knowing her history, Deutsch is pretty ridiculous saying that he's disgusted that the media keeps inviting her to speak.
I'm sure that Deutsch is furious that his booking agents keep booking the one guest that gets Deutsch on the Today show.
Coulter makes some good
October 12, 2007 - 20:51 ET by steveba4Coulter makes some good points sometimes. Unfortunately, she always seems to sum up her argument with something about Christianity. Her arguments would hold more water if she didn't didn't rely so much on her religious arguments. Conservatism works just fine without the need to bring sin into the equation. Liberals aren't morons simply because they don't believe in God. They're morons because they're liberals.
Hey Steve,
October 12, 2007 - 20:53 ET by BlondeI may have to borrow that some time....LOL!
They're morons because they're liberals.
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hey B
October 12, 2007 - 20:55 ET bygot that backwards?
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Why do so
October 12, 2007 - 20:59 ET by TruthMongerWhy do so many conservatives feel the need to tell Christians like me to always stow the Gospel?
I could easily say we don't bring it up enough - in fact - I will
and my opinion is just as good as theirs on this
in the land of free speech anyway - is that where we are?
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TM
October 12, 2007 - 21:05 ET by BlondeYou misunderstand. I don't feel the need to tell "Christians like you to stow the Gospel".
I just think it is inappropriate and ugly, (and yes, un-Christianlike) to go at it like Alexis Colby & Krystal Carrington on a blog site like this.
You know I respect you, and your faith, supremely. But I just find it particularly ugly when these kind of nasty debates get going here.
That's all I am saying.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
you call my remarks nasty?
October 12, 2007 - 21:13 ET by TruthMongeryou call my remarks nasty? really?
is it outrageous of me to suggest that PT is being nasty - he has called me a moron and an idiot a couple of times - I have not done likewise at any time...
and you call me nasty?
honestly?
I've been supremely patient with this PT. And I've seen you get truly nasty today, actually regarding Al Gore I believe - so have you seen my comments regarding our esteemed former VP today?
your comments about me here really show a lot of nerve i must say
but I still luv ya of course - that will never change no matter what:) that's how Christians work
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TM
October 12, 2007 - 21:19 ET by BlondeYou will kindly note that I called the argument nasty.
Not you, not your posts.
But it is rather vitrolic, and not the tone we should set here, I am thinking.
That's all I'm trying to say.
P.S. Haven't posted a word about Al Gore today. Jimmuh Cahta...but not the Goreacle.
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so what kind of tone did
October 12, 2007 - 21:31 ET by TruthMongerso what kind of tone did you set? I saw all kinds of vitriol from you if I remember correctly - the search here still sucks so i can't seem to find it...
so are you saying I'm contributing to the vitriol then? I thought I was preventing it
do I not have a right to try to do that against a poster like PT? he keeps calling people idiots - and we fundies keep refraining and keeping the gloves up...
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TM,
October 12, 2007 - 21:39 ET by BlondeI give up.
You can do whatever you feel like here...I was just trying to diffuse an ugly situation.
I agree...you weren't doing the name calling here...but I thought you'd understand my post since I know you alot better than I know PT.
Carry on with your fight...if that's what you care to do.
I don't think I used "vitriol"....but suit yourself.
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I happen to be trying to
October 12, 2007 - 21:44 ET by TruthMongerI happen to be trying to diffuse something here myself - so you should appreciate my efforts here then:)
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Good night, gentlemen
October 12, 2007 - 21:46 ET by BlondeI can't stand this any longer.
It's been a long, difficult week.
This ugliness is too much for me right now.
So bon soir.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
You cannot argue with Fundamentalists
October 13, 2007 - 00:25 ET by PopularTechIt is impossible to argue with Fundamentalists.
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you must learn to tolerate
October 13, 2007 - 00:33 ET by TruthMongeryou must learn to tolerate us then:)
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I do you idiot
October 13, 2007 - 09:15 ET by PopularTechWhy are you brain dead? I do tolerate you, it is you who do not tolerate others and think you are superior to them. You are not, you are equal to Jews and no better. Deal with reality you bigot.
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I'm just saying then you
October 13, 2007 - 10:52 ET by TruthMongerI'm just saying then you are then consequently equal to me - no better - therefore either WE ARE BOTH TOLERANT OR INTOLERANT - being that you are no better than me then we must be equals
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Truth this is becoming hysterical!
October 13, 2007 - 11:02 ET by Dee BunkThis guy is never going to get it. "I do tolerate you you ignorant racist bigoted buffoon!" I don't understand why you can't feel the love Truth. ; ) LOL. Time to stop feeding him. He's to emotional and unreasonable.
What is there to get?
October 13, 2007 - 17:57 ET by PopularTechI have proven and exposed the bigots here. They think they are superior to Jews, the fact is they are not.
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Religiously not intellectually
October 13, 2007 - 17:39 ET by PopularTechReligiously we are equal but intellectually you are a moron.
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Idiot... what a tolerant
October 13, 2007 - 11:00 ET by bretzysdudeIdiot... what a tolerant word.
OOH! OOH! Are you trying to "wins the Internet"?
Religious Tolerance
October 13, 2007 - 17:41 ET by PopularTechSince you are not intelligent enough to understand the difference there is not much I can do.
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Blonde, I still think you
October 13, 2007 - 06:46 ET by AntiMediaBlonde, I still think you might be Ann Coulter.
Hey B,
October 12, 2007 - 21:00 ET by BlondeYourself. :)
Actually, it works either way...I was quoting another poster here! I like things like that....interchangeable.
Wow, long week. TGIF, huh?
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chicken
October 12, 2007 - 21:06 ET byor the egg no doubt
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Take it
October 13, 2007 - 00:36 ET by steveba4It's all yours, Jimbo.
More democratic hypocrisy
October 13, 2007 - 06:21 ET by goldenthroatAmazing, isn't it? The libs want to shut down Ann all in the name of "free speech". Seems to me that their motto has now become "Everyone is entitled to our opinion" !
"Yeah, that's the ticket!" - Tommy Flanagan
Them People
October 12, 2007 - 17:36 ET by NoMoreClintons" Some people "
The old "some people" trick again. Take it from a former journalist, it means "we people".
The liberals are always quick to censor
October 12, 2007 - 17:37 ET by c5thenTheir ideas can't stand up to criticism and debate, so they always want to shut the opposition down.
If they actually listened to Ann, all of what she says, not just a 15 second sound-byte, they would understand that she uses hyperbole to make a point and get people thinking.
If they really understood anything about Christianity, they would understand that wanting to convert everybody to Christianity is love, not hate.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Fred08.com
"If they really understood
October 13, 2007 - 06:08 ET by be_objective"If they really understood anything about Christianity, they would understand that wanting to convert everybody to Christianity is love, not hate."
So telling everybody how they have to live and behave because your religion says so is love?
"In any compromise between good and evil, only evil can profit." Ayn Rand
(Not so) Strange, I don't
October 12, 2007 - 17:43 ET by Chris Norman(Not so) Strange, I don't recall anyone on the Today Show asking if Rosie O'Donnell "should be taken off the airwaves permanently" for her hateful comments...
Seems kind of suspicious to
October 12, 2007 - 17:43 ET by ahusserSeems kind of suspicious to me. Is this an orchestrated serial attack on Conservative Talking heads by the Dem/Lefties and MSM. First BOR, Then RL Now AC. If I was paranoid I'd say all this stuff has been planned.
No Defending Her
October 12, 2007 - 18:06 ET by PopularTechAnn Coulter Insults Judaism (Video)
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"COULTER: No, we think — we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say.
DEUTSCH: Wow, you didn't really say that, did you?
COULTER:
Yes. That is what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament, but
ours is more like Federal Express. You have to obey laws. We know we're
all sinners —
DEUTSCH: In my old days, I would have argued — when you say something absurd like that, there's no —
COULTER: What's absurd?
DEUTSCH: Jews are going to be perfected. I'm going to go off and try to perfect myself —
COULTER: Well, that's what the New Testament says.
DEUTSCH:
Ann Coulter, author of "If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be
Republicans," and if Ann Coulter had any brains, she would not say Jews
need to be perfected. I'm offended by that personally. And we'll have
more "Big Idea" when we come back"
Ann Coulter is an embarrassment to any Conservative, Republican or Christian. This sort of intolerant ignorant comments are uncalled for.
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Nonsense. Ann Coulter's comments were only offensive
October 12, 2007 - 18:17 ET by RJto those looking to be offended.
I present as my evidence, Mr Kafir; a poster on these boards who has a rather strong and colorful history of forcefully pointing out insults and/or anti-semitism whenever it raises it's ugly head.
Mr Kafir said that he doesn't believe Ann's comments were anti-semitic, and that's good enough for me. (Actually, I could go into much more detail about my reasons, but I don't want to derail the thread)
The question asked on this thread is "should Ann Coulter be banned from the airways?"
Tell me, Popular Tech, do you think she should be banned? (that's rhetorical....I'm pretty certain you don't) ;^)
Nonsense to the mentally challenged
October 12, 2007 - 18:36 ET by PopularTechTry thinking for yourself for a change. She said exactly what she meant and she choose those words. If Christians believe Jews need to be perfected then they are bigots.
If she is going to spew Anti-Semetic rhetoric then she can go find someone that will have her on anymore. Her career is over.
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Career is Over???
October 12, 2007 - 19:31 ET by Captain RepusHoly moly, Ann's career is over because of this? Maybe she should go out in a blaze of glory and sneak into some program and talk about 'happy negros', Adolph Bush, liars, baby killers, infidels, nappy headed white trash or global cooling.
Get a grip, my friend. If you can't distinguish between carefully crafted dialog and anti-semitism you need to spend a little more time solving crossword puzzles. Far better men than you have declared Ann's career ending during the past several million sold books.
everybody needs to be
October 12, 2007 - 19:52 ET by TruthMongereverybody needs to be perfected - not just Jews
and only God can do that
the lefties promoting this new attack strategy already know that about Christianity
this is just a new attack strategy - they are trying someone new on the right each week as trial runs
to "perfect" it - as Ann says:)
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Give me a break
October 12, 2007 - 19:54 ET by PopularTechAre you so brainwashed that you think this is some media matters spin campaign like the one against Rush, Oreilly and Savage?
Ann Coulter said that Jews need to be Perfected and implied that this can only be done through Christianity. She has exposed herself for the bigot that she is.
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PT
October 12, 2007 - 20:01 ET by TruthMongerwell can you please explain to me how that is bigoted - what's wrong with being perfected? Sounds nice to me...
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Do you believe
October 12, 2007 - 20:11 ET by PopularTechDo you believe that Jews cannot be perfected without christianity?
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No one can be made perfect
October 12, 2007 - 20:14 ET by dvdaughtryNo one can be made perfect with out Christ.
Well, for once, the rich white man is in control. --Montgomery Burns
So you are bigot?
October 12, 2007 - 20:19 ET by PopularTechSo you are a bigot then?
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That must be rhetorical,
October 12, 2007 - 20:26 ET by dvdaughtryThat must be rhetorical, because you know I am going to say no, and we already know what you think.
You're definition of bigot includes 'unreasonable'. I find it hard to be unreasonable to think that Christianity is the only right one.
All religions are not created equal.
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by his definition everyone
October 12, 2007 - 20:30 ET by TruthMongerby his definition everyone is a bigot - simply because everyone can't possibly tolerate all religions on planet Earth (about 10,000 or so) - putting some thought into this might have helped the guy out a little first...
he's stepped in it now - we can help him out of it I think
I blame the MSM as usual
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No I never said that
October 12, 2007 - 21:24 ET by PopularTechFundamentalists think like this not me. Yes rationaly intelligent people tolerate all religions and are not bigots. Freedom of Religion is a right not a "priviledge endowed upon me by fundamentalists". Religious tolerance is part of being a good Christian and if you were taught differently then I am ashamed.
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walk with me a day in my PC
October 12, 2007 - 23:57 ET by TruthMongerwalk with me a day in my PC America shoes as I must incessantly bite my Christisan lip AS REQUIRED BY CORPORATE POLICY OR BY GOVENRNMENT LAW, forced to help support and finance gay partner benefits, abortion, and many other evil niceties - I will show you the very definition of true tolerance, my friend
How exactly is Ann not tolerating Jews here? Is she forcing Jews to do something? Is she denying Jews the ability to do something?
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Totally irrelevant
October 13, 2007 - 00:28 ET by PopularTechAbortion and Gay Marriage has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
Do you consider yourself superior to Jews or not?
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I consider myself Jewish -
October 13, 2007 - 01:06 ET by TruthMongerI consider myself Jewish - by virtue of Jesus Christ - and you?
I don't think I can be superior to myself
Haven't ever thought it about actually - you're the first one to bring up accusations of superiority to me - therefore you must have the superiority/inferiority feelings - not me
please do not feel inferior to me - I am a lowly sinner
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Make up your mind
October 13, 2007 - 09:21 ET by PopularTechEither you think Jews can only be perfected by converting to Christianity or not. If so you think yourself superior and are a bigot, if not stop arguing.
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I already posted you the
October 13, 2007 - 11:14 ET by TruthMongerI already posted you the perfection scripture passage of the Bible you supposedly read - so if you are a Christian - like me - then you are a bigot like me and Ann and God
You are trying to differentiate yourself from me and yet at the same time claim that you and I are both Christian. Therefore we have the same religion or we don't - you tell me. If we do then you are a bigot like me. If you don't then we are different.
Now Ann did not use the word superior but I will grant you that for the sake of argument. If you and I are different then are you either superior, or inferior to me - or equal to me - again you tell me. Laws of physics these are your only choices.
If you feel superior to me then you are a bigot. If you feel inferior to me that's fine - that's what Ann was talking about. Again you tell me - you are the one who is arguing here - just make a decision already...it takes an anti-fundie a little more on NB than just insisting "because I said so"
Again it's going to be hard for you to demonstrate that Ann and I somehow feel superior to anyone - as a sinful Christians
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LOVE for you to quote the
October 13, 2007 - 07:48 ET by bretzysdudeLOVE for you to quote the Bible where it says that we have to tolerate other religions to be a good Christian.
"Oh, yes, be a good Christian; just shut up and don't rock the boat. Morons."
Shall I call a troll a troll, troll?
I call you a bigot
October 13, 2007 - 09:25 ET by PopularTechCan you guys make up your mind about anything without quoting the bible? It is really pathetic.
If you cannot tolerate other religions and think you are superior or other religions can only be perfected by converting to your religion (which is the same thing) then your are bigot. There is no trolling with reality. Exposing bigotry is important so un-bigoted conservatives do not think we are all brain-washed intolerant bigoted fundamentalists.
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wow Popular Tech
October 13, 2007 - 09:44 ET byfor someone who claims to be a Christian you: denegrate the Bible; and you continue your 'bigot crusade' on and on? Yet you continue with the premise that you are RIGHT and the others are WRONG.
Some kind of issues here dude, it's obvious that there's some past stuff you can't deal with, but, this isn't the place.
"Television is where you watch people in your living room that you would not want near your house." Groucho
Denegrate the Bible?
October 13, 2007 - 09:53 ET by PopularTechYou are confusing me with being a Fundamentalist.
But yes Bigots are Bigots which is a fact.
My only issue is with hyprocritical bigots who think they are better then Jews.
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He's a Christian but he
October 13, 2007 - 11:19 ET by TruthMongerHe's a Christian but he doesn't follow Christ (it's called "not taking the Bible literally" as an out with these people)...
Jesus is your LORD and Savior PT - Lord means you do His will and bidding, not yours - and His will is in THE BIBLE - to be a Christian you must do what is in the Bible without fail or die trying...
And then Jesus will resurrect you...
Welcome to Christianity - would you like to join or not?
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No I do not distort Christianity
October 13, 2007 - 17:49 ET by PopularTechI do not distort Christianity into some bigoted superior zealous religion.
Do you take the bible literally? I don't and I am a Christian just not a ridiculous bigoted Fundamentalist. Because God tells you to kill all who are not Christians.
2 Chronicles 15:13
"Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman"
So why have you not begun? Why have you not obeyed the words of the bible? Are you afraid? You do not seem to be a real Christian.
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The Bible says kill them all
October 13, 2007 - 09:30 ET by PopularTech2 Chronicles 15:13
"Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman"
So why have you not begun?
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God was on this from day 1
October 13, 2007 - 11:21 ET by TruthMongerGod was on this from day 1 - next question
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So have you obeyed?
October 13, 2007 - 17:52 ET by PopularTechWhy have you not begun killing all those who do not believe in the "LORD God of Israel"?
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Um, Pt....
October 13, 2007 - 16:28 ET by RJ"Can you guys make up your mind about anything without quoting the bible? It is really pathetic."
Stupid
October 13, 2007 - 17:50 ET by PopularTechI did not quote the bible to make up my mind. Do you even understand the conversation?
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If so then
October 12, 2007 - 21:20 ET by PopularTechIf you are not a bigot then you cannot think Christianity is superior to Judaism or that Jews are imperfect unless they convert to Christianity that is what Radical Muslims think about Islam.
Who decides what religion is better then another? You? I don't think so. Bigots think their religion is superior and all others inferior. Spanish Inquisition anyone?
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Jesus says no can without
October 12, 2007 - 20:16 ET by TruthMongerJesus says no can without Him...
Are you calling Jesus a bigot?
I'm a Christian - I believe what Jesus believes - He tells me what to believe - for my own good - because I can't do it alone
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You are a fool
October 12, 2007 - 20:18 ET by PopularTechIf you believe Jews cannot be perfected without converting to Christianity then you are brainwashed fool.
This is the problem with Christian Fundamentalists.
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Get through your thick
October 12, 2007 - 20:23 ET by dvdaughtryGet through your thick skull that is not a Jewish thing, its an everybody thing.
Jesus saves. Jew, Gentile, and Muslim. All of them (me included)
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Christians are
October 12, 2007 - 20:27 ET by TruthMongerChristians are honorary Jews...
Messianic Jews have been perfected like Christian gentiles
Or do you think Messianic Jews are bigots like us?
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Anyone who believes they are Superior are Bigots
October 12, 2007 - 20:31 ET by PopularTechAnyone, Jews, Muslims, Christians who believe they are superior to another faith are bigots and intolerant.
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and you believe you are
October 12, 2007 - 20:33 ET by TruthMongerand you believe you are superior to me - and I can be improved by thinking your way instead of mine - maybe even perfected:)
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You are a moron
October 12, 2007 - 21:26 ET by PopularTechIf you think your religion is superior to another then you are bigot by definition. I am not trying to improve you I am telling you what you are.
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do you think you are wrong?
October 12, 2007 - 21:29 ET bydo you think you are wrong? or am i wrong?
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Bruce
October 12, 2007 - 21:33 ET by BlondeI'm giving up on this thread....I was trying to bring a little civility back...alas...another failure. Par for the course for me this week.
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I think Bigots are Bigots
October 13, 2007 - 09:56 ET by PopularTechA bigot is a bigot if you call yourself Christian and think Jews need to be perfected by converting to christianity.
The reality is Jews are equal to Christians and will go to heaven without being converted.
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hello bigot
October 12, 2007 - 20:33 ET byand you think you are right and we are wrong and you are superior to us.
"Television is where you watch people in your living room that you would not want near your house." Groucho
Bigots think that people
October 12, 2007 - 20:37 ET by TruthMongerBigots think that people are born superior - like the KKK thinks about non-Aryans
Religion is a choice one can make - unlike race
I often find that liberals try to paint fundies like me as a bigot - but they are just as zealous about their beliefs as I am...
What is the difference between religious conviction and bigotry - as both have an element of superiority...?
Liberals always complain Christian's "feeling superior"
But isn't that also a feeling of superiority to think that way about Christians? Interesting
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The same thing
October 12, 2007 - 21:31 ET by PopularTechWhether you think you were born or choose to be a bigot you are still a bigot.
This has nothing to do with liberals so stop bringing that crap up.
Fundamentalists who think this way give conservatives a bad name.
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Doesn't work that way
October 12, 2007 - 21:29 ET by PopularTechSorry but it doesn't work that way. I can only tell you what you are if you believe what you say. I don't pretend to be superior to you or even state that. I simply state that I am tolerant of all Religions and do not consider mine superior to another. If you are not then you are a bigot. If you don't like what that is then don't be one, if you are happy being a bigot continue on.
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again you sound far less
October 13, 2007 - 00:01 ET by TruthMongeragain you sound far less tolerant of mine than Ann conceivably sounds about the Jews - that is if she does at all
Mr Kafir is someone here who is Jewish and was not offended in the slightest
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I am tolerant of religious views
October 13, 2007 - 18:10 ET by PopularTechBut I am not tolerant of bigoted morons.
Keep repeating what Mr Kafir said and think everything is ok. You fantasy land of bigotry Fundamentalism is all in your head.
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You ARE wrong. You have
October 13, 2007 - 07:50 ET by bretzysdudeYou ARE wrong. You have ALWAYS been wrong whenever you post, and you always WILL be wrong in future posts. Deal with it.
Did you just reply to yourself?
October 13, 2007 - 09:57 ET by PopularTechWhy are you saying such things about yourself?
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You ARE wrong. You have
October 13, 2007 - 07:50 ET by bretzysdudeYou ARE wrong. You have ALWAYS been wrong whenever you post, and you always WILL be wrong in future posts. Deal with it.
Agreed. The Messianic
October 12, 2007 - 20:31 ET by dvdaughtryAgreed.
The Messianic Jews have the best of both worlds.
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Nope
October 12, 2007 - 20:28 ET by PopularTechSorry I am Christian and do not believe that other religions need to be converted to be Perfected. That is a bigoted Christian Fundamentalist belief.
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That is a bigoted Christian
October 12, 2007 - 20:30 ET byThat is a bigoted Christian Fundamentalist belief.
is an intolerant statement
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so he is bigoted against
October 12, 2007 - 20:31 ET by TruthMongerso he is bigoted against fundamentalis Christians then
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Don't be an idiot
October 12, 2007 - 20:43 ET by PopularTechYou don't even know what you just said. If Christian Fundamentalists believe they are superior to other religions then they are bigots. That is stating a fact and has nothing to do with me because I am tolerant of Christian Fundamentalists.
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No
October 12, 2007 - 20:44 ET byyou are not
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this is what you call
October 12, 2007 - 20:48 ET by TruthMongerthis is what you call tolerance - what you are saying to us?
you called me a moron and an idiot a couple of times already - where did you learn your vaunted tolerance skills anyway?
ever heard the phrase "lead by example?"
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You are correct
October 12, 2007 - 21:34 ET by PopularTechYou are correct I am not tolerant of morons.
You have tried unsuccessfully to twist and smear what I have said. Don't do moronic things and I will not call you out on what you do.
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you are too kind, I bid
October 12, 2007 - 23:49 ET by TruthMongeryou are too kind, I bid thee
you have favored me more than I could ever possibly deserve, and I am greatful
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Makes Sense
October 13, 2007 - 18:14 ET by PopularTechNo one ever called you what you were before which is a bigot, now you know.
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No it is not
October 12, 2007 - 20:40 ET by PopularTechThat has nothing to do with intolerance call something what it is.
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you just sound so
October 12, 2007 - 20:43 ET by TruthMongeryou just sound so intolerant of us - do you think it is wrong to characterize you as intolerant of us?
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The problem is
October 12, 2007 - 21:35 ET by PopularTechI am intolerant of morons who think their religion is superior to others.
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then you're not being very Christian are you PT?
October 12, 2007 - 22:59 ET by rx4musicN.T.
judgemental
October 12, 2007 - 23:14 ET by TruthMongerbigotry is defined as intolerance on this thread - according to my earlier research...
i guess this is why Jesus says be careful how you judge, for you yourself will be judged with the same measure
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He also said...
October 12, 2007 - 23:35 ET by rx4music"whosoever believeth in me shall not parish, but, have everlasting life..."
So, where does this leave the non-believers? In the eyes of a Christian, it leaves them to die without knowing God's love. Any good Christian wants better than that for everyone.
Furthermore, there was no tone of intolerance in Ann's comments. She was answering a question and stating her beliefs based on her religion.
congrats then - you are a
October 12, 2007 - 23:47 ET by TruthMongercongrats then - you are a bigot - just like me:)
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That's OK...Jesus still loves me! ;^)
October 13, 2007 - 00:19 ET by rx4musicN.T.
"I have a right to be
October 13, 2007 - 07:59 ET by bretzysdude"I have a right to be intolerant, and you do not. Nyah, nyah, nyah."
Did you just say...
October 13, 2007 - 04:24 ET by TheDeuceUm....you're a Christian who believes there are other paths to Heaven that do not include Jesus Christ?
You do understand the whole naming convention behind 'Christian', right?
well this is "tolerant"
October 13, 2007 - 11:25 ET by TruthMongerwell this is "tolerant" Christianity - far superior to the real thing obviously - and in a non-bigoted sort of way
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as you said PT
October 12, 2007 - 20:27 ET byThis has nothing to do with liberals. This has to do with Religious intolerance.
It's you who are intolerant and name calling
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Morons vs Religion
October 13, 2007 - 18:16 ET by PopularTechI never said I was tolerant of morons.
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Get a clue
October 12, 2007 - 19:52 ET by PopularTechYep her career is over with anyone who is not a bigot.
The difference between this and Imus was Imus was trying to be funny Ann meant what she said.
Saying Jews need to be perfected is Anti-Semetic and bigotted. I would not call ignorant statements carefully crafted unless of course her intent was to offend everyone who is Jewish.
I personally will never buy one of her books and embarrassed she calls herself a conservative.
"Far better men" hardly. I had no idea Anti-Semetism and bigotry were so popular with the insane.
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You nappy headed meanie
October 12, 2007 - 19:58 ET by Captain RepusYou called me insane .... what does this make you, you nappy headed meanie
So you admit it?
October 12, 2007 - 20:01 ET by PopularTechSo you are Anti-semetic and a bigot? Because I never called you insane, I called people who were Anti-semetic and bigoted insane.
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PT you sound intolerant - are you a bigot then?
October 12, 2007 - 20:06 ET by TruthMongeryou sound intolerant of our religion - does that make you a bigot?
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What are you talking about
October 12, 2007 - 20:12 ET by PopularTechWhat religion? Don't be an idiot.
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uh Christianity? Are you
October 12, 2007 - 20:17 ET by TruthMongeruh Christianity? Are you intolerant of our religion?
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Huh?
October 12, 2007 - 20:20 ET by PopularTechWhy would I be intolerant of my own religion you idiot?
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are you intolerant of me?
October 12, 2007 - 20:22 ET by TruthMongerare you intolerant of me? My Christianity doesn't sound like yours...
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Freedom of Religion
October 12, 2007 - 20:44 ET by PopularTechWe have Freedom of Religion and I respect that so obviously I am tolerant of your beliefs that in no way changes your intolerance or bigotry if you believe your religion is superior to others.
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let me just confirm this
October 12, 2007 - 20:51 ET by TruthMongerlet me just confirm this then - I am intolerant - and you are not - is that correct?
you don't think your view on Jews is better than mine?
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you think fundies
October 12, 2007 - 20:50 ET byare wrong, and bigots, and you call them names.
AND you are tolerant of them?
how is it your head doesn't explode from the internal conflict?
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this is fun i must say
October 12, 2007 - 20:51 ET by TruthMongerthis is fun i must say - how long do you think he can go?
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Better things to do
October 13, 2007 - 00:31 ET by PopularTechI can go on forever but talking to brainwashed fundamentalists who think they are better then everyone is not something I have time for.
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I will pray for your
October 13, 2007 - 00:36 ET by TruthMongerI will pray for your confusion about us to lift as soon as possible
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I have no confusion
October 13, 2007 - 09:36 ET by PopularTechBigots are bigots.
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Well, PT, you've been making time for the last 4 and1/2 hours!
October 13, 2007 - 01:15 ET by rx4musicmaybe it's time to stfu...
stfu?! wwjd:) A
October 13, 2007 - 01:24 ET by TruthMongerstfu?!
wwjd:)
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I support a person's freedom
October 13, 2007 - 04:27 ET by TheDeuceI support a person's freedom to practice their own religion but that doesn't mean that I as a Christian must ignore the core belief in Christ as the ONLY path to God's Kingdom in Heaven.
That is because you are brainwashed
October 13, 2007 - 09:38 ET by PopularTechSince you have been brainwashed and are an intolerant bigot I am not surprised.
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It's clear to everyone here that you are the bigot Pop Tech
October 13, 2007 - 09:44 ET by Dee BunkIt's clear to everyone here that you are the bigot Pop Tech. Your Christian hate is coming over loud and clear.
That is because you are dumb
October 13, 2007 - 10:00 ET by PopularTechMy dislike of bigots is coming out loud and clear not all Christians are bigots like Ann or those defending her.
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Christian...
October 14, 2007 - 02:56 ET by TheDeuceDid Jesus state that eternal life was to be found ONLY through Him?
Why, yes, He sure did.
Game, set, match...
YOU'RE the idiot, Idiot.
October 13, 2007 - 08:02 ET by bretzysdudeYOU'RE the idiot, Idiot.
Good one
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Why am I an anti-semite for
October 12, 2007 - 20:12 ET by mostlymoderateWhy am I an anti-semite for saying my religion is better than yours? Isn't ANYONE that chooses to be a Christian implying that Christianity is better than Judaism? And vice versa? By you being a Jew, are you not implying that Judaism is superior to Christianity? Political correctness has its limitations, PT.
I am not Jewish
October 12, 2007 - 20:16 ET by PopularTechFirst of all I am not Jewish. Did I state I was Jewish?
No, anyone who is Christian is saying they are Christian in no way does that imply you are better then anyone else. Is this the insanity being currently taught with Christianity? Then Christianity is no better then Radical Islam (I do not believe this but it is to make a point).
Any Jew who thinks they are superior to Christians then they are bigots
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Interesting. If I did not
October 12, 2007 - 20:20 ET by mostlymoderateInteresting. If I did not think Christianity was superior to Judaism, then why am I not a Jew or any of the hundreds of other religions?
this is a fascinating
October 12, 2007 - 20:25 ET by TruthMongerthis is a fascinating character - he thinks he's superior to us because he thinks we think we are superior to Jews and he doesn't think he thinks this way
he must get a ton of headaches thinking like this, poor dude
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UCC
October 12, 2007 - 20:33 ET by River CityThe only Christian denomination I know of that thinks like PT does is the UCC. I can only speak from first hand, intimate experience.
“Government’s first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives.” Ronald Reagan
who is the UCC? Well, for
October 12, 2007 - 20:35 ET by dvdaughtrywho is the UCC?
Well, for once, the rich white man is in control. --Montgomery Burns
UCC
October 12, 2007 - 20:41 ET by River CityThe United Church of Christ. It is a VERY liberal denomination. It is the denomination Obama is from. They are being investigated by the IRS for their involvement in his campaign. They practice gay marriage. They also intertwine Wiccan practices and other non-Christian practices in some of their churches.
“Government’s first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives.” Ronald Reagan
AKA
October 12, 2007 - 20:42 ET byunitarians?
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no they're different...but
October 12, 2007 - 20:46 ET by TruthMongerno they're different...but similar
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United Church of
October 12, 2007 - 20:41 ET by TruthMongerUnited Church of Christ?
There is tremendous confusion out there about Christianity - among so many Christians like PT...
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If you're not Jewish, why
October 13, 2007 - 08:01 ET by bretzysdudeIf you're not Jewish, why should you argue about this situation?
Unless you're just being liberal.
More retardation
October 13, 2007 - 20:58 ET by PopularTechAre you taught that everyone who is not a bigoted fundamentalist is a liberal? Beyond laughable.
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ah.... the ol' "try thinking for yourself for a change"
October 12, 2007 - 21:51 ET by bktnothing like a 2X4 up against the head in an attempt to offend someone.
Of course Ann chose those words... she said them during an interview. Unless you'd really have everyone believe the questions were given her in advance, and she rehearsed them.
It's time we get off the old, dead, "anti-semitic" horse every time a Christian says something that just might be taken in an offensive manner by a Jew. That's an old, tired, trite charge.
Popular Tech, why do you insult Jews?
October 13, 2007 - 17:19 ET by RJI told you that Mr Kafir, a regular NB poster who strongly defends anti-Semitism on this board, has said he does not believe Coulter's remarks were offensive.
You responded by saying "Try thinking for yourself for a change. She said exactly what she meant and she choose those words. If Christians believe Jews need to be perfected then they are bigots."
They were not "my" thoughts, but Mr Kafir's. Is he not thinking for himself?
Later, you also said ""You are not offended because you are not Jewish, don't have any real Jewish friends and do not comprehend what she was stating and how she stated it."
Are you claiming that Mr Kafir and other Jews who are not offended are wrong? They do not "comprehend?" Are you claiming you know better than they do? Are you acting as their conscience, whether they like it or not?
Mr. Kafir does not speak for all Jews
October 13, 2007 - 18:08 ET by PopularTechThat is because he is either trying to make peace with intollerant bigoted fools or has no idea of the danger of allowing such bigoted remarks to go un challenged.
Yes Jews who are not offended have no idea of how serious these sorts of comments are and do not understand the true motives of Fundamentalists. Which is if they had the ability to enforce it would try to convert or die because the bible says:
2 Chronicles 15:13
"Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman"
Are you denying what is written in the bible?
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How funny - quoting the Old Testament as anti-Semitic
October 13, 2007 - 18:28 ET by Dee BunkNews flash pop tech - the New Testament is the biggest thing that separates Christians and Jews. Christians believe the New Testament supercedes the old. Quoting the Old Testament as wrong bashes Jews more than Christians. In fact, it also bashes Muslims.
And "seek" is the key word there. Meaning try to understand.
So you do not follow the Old Testament?
October 13, 2007 - 19:37 ET by PopularTechSo you do not follow the old testament? Then why is it included in your bible?
So you believe what the New Testament says about killing all non-believers?
Acts 3:23 "And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people."
Everyone who does not believe in Jesus is a liar and an Anti-Christ? Do you believe this?
John 2:22 "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."
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Hey Bigots the Jews do not agree...
October 13, 2007 - 18:22 ET by PopularTechJewish Groups Condemn, Boycott Ann Coulter
The American Jewish Committee issued a statement declaring that it is
"outraged" by Coulter's assertion on Donny Deutsch's CNBC show "The Big
Idea" that Jews require "perfecting" by becoming Christians.
"Ms. Coulter's assertion that Jews are somehow religiously
imperfect smacks of the most odious anti-Jewish sentiment," said AJC
President Richard Sideman.
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Why do you insult Jews, Popular Tech?
October 13, 2007 - 18:54 ET by RJSo a liberal Jewish group joins MediaMatters in attacking a conservative commentator. "Shock of shocks."
But how liberal of you to assume individual Jews can't think for themselves. How liberal of you to believe they must ALL think in lock-step. How insulting!
Because he doesn't agree with your PC protectionism, you assume that Mr Kafir is just a weak-willed Jew who "wants to get along."
But I assure you that he has frequently, loudly, and angrily condemned anti-semitism on these boards. "Getting along" has never been something you can ever say about Mr Kafir.
Is it because you believe you're superior to him that you denegrate his free choice?
So you claim that Mr Kafir and other Jews who are not offended are wrong? They do not "comprehend?" They do not "understand?" How insulting!
The Anti-Defamtion League is liberal?
October 13, 2007 - 19:53 ET by PopularTechADL Condemns Ann Coulter's Comment That Jews Need 'To Be Perfected'
You really are an idiot stating lies about my assumptions.
I believe Mr. Kafir does not realize how dangerous these comments are. This has nothing to do with Political Correctness this has to do with bigotry.
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Why do you continue to insult Jews PT?
October 13, 2007 - 22:32 ET by RJYou think that Mr Kafir is too stupid to understand the seriousness of the "offense" LIKE YOU DO?
Wow, you're really into this superiority thing, aren't you? Between this and "muzzling" Ann, it looks like you liberals are trying to re-establish a new version of the Master Race.
Conservative...check Repub
October 12, 2007 - 18:18 ET by dvdaughtryConservative...check
Republican...check
Christian...check
Embarrassed...not a chance.
Her comments are not intolerant, nor ignorant. The ignorance is coming from people that don't know she is right.
The "perfection" she is talking about is Jesus, the "pefector", "author", and "finisher" of our faith.
The New Testement is the Old Testement revealed. That is what she is saying. She'll be the first to tell you she is as imperfect as anyone.
Well, for once, the rich white man is in control. --Montgomery Burns
So Jews are imperfect?
October 12, 2007 - 18:33 ET by PopularTechSo you are saying Jews are not perfect? If she was talking about Jesus then she should of said Jesus, except she did not she condescendingly said "perfected jews" implying they are imperfect.
Keep spining the ignorance and intolerance.
You are using Christian doctrine to put down Jews and if you believe Jews are imperfect then you are bigot.
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It's the faith, not the
October 12, 2007 - 18:40 ET by dvdaughtryIt's the faith, not the person that needs to be perfected.
I am not perfect, you are not perfect, Jews are not perfect. No one is perfect. Through Christ our faith is made perfect and acceptable to God.
That is about as simple as I can explain it.
Well, for once, the rich white man is in control. --Montgomery Burns
So the Jewish faith is Imperfect?
October 12, 2007 - 18:42 ET by PopularTechSo the Jewish faith is imperfect? So you are a religious bigot?
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Does thinking Christianity
October 12, 2007 - 18:43 ET by dvdaughtryDoes thinking Christianity is the only right faith make me a bigot?
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Christianity
October 12, 2007 - 18:46 ET by River CityNope. It makes you a Christian.
“Government’s first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives.” Ronald Reagan
It makes him a Bigot
October 12, 2007 - 18:52 ET by PopularTechIf you think your religion is superior to others and think Jews are imperfect then you are bigot.
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I guess that is one more
October 12, 2007 - 18:54 ET by dvdaughtryI guess that is one more thing I have to ask forgiveness for.
And, by the way, not only do I think Jews are imperfect, I think you are too!
(and everyone else on here)
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Then you need to find tolerance
October 12, 2007 - 18:55 ET by PopularTechIf you think Jews need to be perfected by converting to Christianity then you are an intolerant bigoted man.
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You're really reaching here
October 12, 2007 - 19:54 ET by TruthMongerYou're really reaching here popular tech
You need to look up the definition of bigotry
As a fundie myself I suffer all kinds of PC bigotry every day - and you are exhibiting it here as well - your anti-Christian predjudice is a key ingredient
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That is because you are moron
October 12, 2007 - 19:58 ET by PopularTechIf you think I am anti-Christian then you are not only a moron but a fool. Don't try to smear me because you don't understand the definition of a word.
Maybe you need to look it up the definition:
Bigot - "a person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who thinks that anyone who does not have the same beliefs is wrong"
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PT, are you pro-Christian
October 12, 2007 - 20:04 ET by TruthMongerPT, are you pro-Christian then?
Why is Christianity not listed on this link - this is the liberal wikipedia bigotry page - nothing about Christianity on there...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry
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Wikipedia?
October 12, 2007 - 20:23 ET by PopularTechAre you retarted? Wikipedia is not a reliable source for anything.
Christianity outside of religious fundamentalists does not teach religious superiority.
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so my fundamentalist
October 12, 2007 - 20:26 ET by TruthMongerso my fundamentalist Christianity is something you can't tolerate then?
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You are an idiot
October 12, 2007 - 20:46 ET by PopularTechNo you are the one who is a bigot and cannot tolerate other religions.
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Hey All
October 12, 2007 - 20:49 ET by BlondeThis is not productive, here....on the main blog.
I know TM is going to have a fit...but please, take it over to the forums.
Thank you all in advance.
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hi Blonde
October 12, 2007 - 20:52 ET byof course you are right, just trying to point out that name calling is not tolerant
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reject - we are firmly on
October 12, 2007 - 20:54 ET by TruthMongerreject - we are firmly on topic here
no "off to the fundie forum ghetto" this time
you are free to leave however - if this does not interest you:)
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Disagree, TM
October 12, 2007 - 20:58 ET by BlondeYou both are burning up this thread, and the site, with nasty name-calling and arguments that do not really have much to do with Anne Coulter's statement. You've allowed the discussion to devolve into ugliness.
Granted, Anne said what she did to make a statement...but when you get into what you have...you are derailing the thread.
And I certainly don't mean "off to the fundie forum". I just think it's terribly inappropriate to fight like liberals and tear each other apart.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Unbelievable
October 12, 2007 - 21:08 ET by TruthMongerI just can't believe you people sometimes...
This is truly insulting to me. It's a good thing I've just been through AM or I would be going ballistic - actually would have just a few weeks time ago against someone like this PT actually
But rather I'm working my ass off to successfully keep it out of the gutter, thank-you very much - and it is working splendidly. Can you please point me to the nasty name-calling from me...?
our debate here is about Ann's remarks being bigoted - HOW IS THAT DERAILING THIS THREAD? My God, really what is it with you people sometimes
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LOL
October 12, 2007 - 21:13 ET by KC MulvilleIs there a word created in the blog era to describe a conversation that's had so many rounds that the text is flattened against the right margin?
A "right-squashed thread?"
"Going flat right?"
"Stranded on the east beach?"
I want the copyright if it becomes popular.
ive seen much worse then
October 12, 2007 - 21:22 ET by TruthMongerive seen much worse then this:)
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If you're calling somebody
October 13, 2007 - 07:52 ET by bretzysdudeIf you're calling somebody retarded, you probably should learn how to spell it.
Just sayin'...
Whose Dictionary?
October 12, 2007 - 20:07 ET by River CityMerriam-Webster Online dictionary definition of BIGOT: "a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance"
Look in the mirror much?
“Government’s first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives.” Ronald Reagan
shame is usually the key element in anger like this
October 12, 2007 - 20:13 ET by TruthMongerour young people are woe-fully un-educated on the meanings - and more importantly the histories - of words...
Imagine in America all Christians being labeled as bigots - what has this country come to...
Christianity has members of all races and nationalities, and Christians have donated more time and money to charities to anyone else on planet earth...
Sounds close to perfection to me...something to be proud of - not ashamed of...
Maybe PT feels guilty about his lack of charity as compared to Christians?
Shame is usually a huge part of anger
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Clueless
October 13, 2007 - 18:49 ET by PopularTechImagine morons labeling people stupid things because they are bigots.
I have no shame and am not angry. I have no idea why you would want to label non-bigoted Christians bigots.
The fact that you are stupid enough to try and use the word perfection to describe your religious beliefs says it all - rather how brainwashed you have become.
I don't feel guilty about anything. You idiotic statements about me are just that idiotic.
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These Dictionaries
October 13, 2007 - 18:45 ET by PopularTechThe American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language:
Bigot - "One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ"
Encarta:
Bigot - "intolerant person: somebody with strong opinions, especially on politics, religion, or ethnicity, who refuses to accept different views"
Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary:
Bigot - "a person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who thinks that anyone who does not have the same beliefs is wrong: a religious bigot"
Cambridge Dictionary of American English:
Bigot - "a person who has strong beliefs and refuses to consider seriously any other belief that is different, or a person who dislikes people of other races or religions"
Wordsmyth:
Bigot - "one who is prejudiced against and intolerant of any group or belief that is not his or her own, esp. religious, racial, or ethnic."
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you described yourself very well, PT
October 13, 2007 - 19:16 ET by RJThe anger (i.e. intolerance) on this thread is ALL coming from you, fella.
Nope
October 13, 2007 - 20:53 ET by PopularTechI am describing bigots since you are incapable of referencing the word I did the work for you.
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you're missing the point.
October 12, 2007 - 21:52 ET by bkthe's TRYING to be offended.
In his world, people aren't really supposed to believe those religious "things".
Nope
October 13, 2007 - 10:04 ET by PopularTechIn my world Christians shouldn't be bigots but the Fundamentalists always ruin it for the rest of us.
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That's a bigoted thing to say, Popular Tech
October 13, 2007 - 16:20 ET by RJHmmmm? ;^)
Nope
October 13, 2007 - 18:51 ET by PopularTechIt is the truth.
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Got it, PT
October 13, 2007 - 18:59 ET by RJYOUR bigotry is ok. It's just what you deem to be the bigotry of others that isn't....just like it's ok for YOU to quote scriptures, but not for others....uh huh
Doesn't work that way
October 13, 2007 - 20:27 ET by PopularTechI accept your views as your views it doesn't make you any less of a Religious bigot.
You are seriously mentally retarted. I never said you cannot quote the bible you liar, I said:
"Can you guys make up your mind about anything without quoting the bible"
Why must you lie? Is it because you cannot win the argument?
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Hey, PT if you're going to try to insult my intelligence,
October 13, 2007 - 22:21 ET by RJat least learn to spell the word correctly. You've spelled it incorrectly several times now. the irony is most amusing.
By the way, I find that word offensive and anyone who uses it is clearly an insensitive boob....maybe even bigoted against our special needs citizens.
YES YOU ARE A BIGOT
October 12, 2007 - 18:46 ET by PopularTechBeing intolerant of other religions makes you a bigot. It is idiotic intolerant thinking like this that is what is wrong with this country.
I am ashamed that people think this way and call themselves Americans.
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Faith
October 12, 2007 - 19:01 ET by River CityIf a person of ANY faith, Christian in this case, doesn't feel their's is the one and only way to heaven why have that as their religion?
I am a Christian because I believe Christ died on the cross for me. I believe I cannot get to the Father except through Him. There are no other gods. If other people in their faiths don't have the same convictions then why are they of that faith?
I will not force my faith on others. I am tolerant of all faiths. Merriam Webster's online dictionary definition of tolerance: "2 a: sympathy or indulgence for beliefs or practices differing from or conflicting with one's own"
“Government’s first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives.” Ronald Reagan
Faith has nothing to do with intolerance
October 12, 2007 - 19:02 ET by PopularTechHaving faith and thinking you are superior to anothing religion are two different things. Bigotry has no place in this world anymore. But it is obvious bigotry and intolerance and still being taught to evangelicals.
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Evangelical
October 12, 2007 - 19:05 ET by River CityWho claimed to be an Evangelical? Did Ann? I missed it.
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What is Ann
October 12, 2007 - 19:18 ET by PopularTechWhat is Ann's religious background? Do you even know? I have found that it is Protestant, which is vague. I have only every heard Christian evangelicals consider themselves superior to other Religions and intolerant of other beliefs.
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Ann's Faith
October 12, 2007 - 19:46 ET by River CityI don't know Ann's faith. I don't know her personally.
To make broad, sweeping generalizations like you did with your comment: "Christian evangelicals consider themselves superior to other Religions and intolerant of other beliefs" doesn't appear to help discourse. My point was a person of any faith, Christian, Jewish or Muslim must think their's is superior in order to believe they will get to heaven. If they don't believe that why bother? No one said the person is superior, it is the faith that is superior, your word not mine.
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Popular tech really wishes
October 12, 2007 - 19:57 ET by TruthMongerPopular tech really wishes to establish that Christians are bigots
A much better case needs to be made
It's a ridiculous notion - ironically PT is being the bigot here against Christians - perfection has nothing to do with superiority...
If he knew the basics of Christianity he would know that Christians are humble and completely broken sinners - can PT admit the same about himself - or does he feel too superior to sink that low?
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You are an idiot
October 13, 2007 - 00:35 ET by PopularTechI said no such thing. Get over yourself you are no better then Jews or anyone else.
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and you are no better than
October 13, 2007 - 00:37 ET by TruthMongerand you are no better than me right?
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Religiously
October 13, 2007 - 10:06 ET by PopularTechReligiously yes I am not better then you.
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Neither does Jews need to be Perfected
October 12, 2007 - 20:06 ET by PopularTechNo everyone does not think their religion is superior. There are many reasons to have faith that does not involve being superior or better then another. If the only reason people believe in a certain religion over another is superiority of faith then Christianity is hypocritical - I don't believe it is but the case you made sure sounds like it.
I am begining to see that why people have faith is much more shallow then the front they try to put on.
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Do you think your beliefs
October 12, 2007 - 20:21 ET by TruthMongerDo you think your beliefs are superior to Anns?
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TM
October 12, 2007 - 20:40 ET byi can't help it but bwahahahah
this 'logic' reminds me of the Star Trek with Harvey Mudd when they had to blow out the androids with pretzel logic (a cool Steele Dan tune also)
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botg
October 12, 2007 - 20:44 ET by TruthMonger...yes, and I've always feel like the libs remind me of the "we are smart" episode...
hee-hee-hee...
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Religious beliefs no
October 13, 2007 - 10:09 ET by PopularTechNo my religious beliefs are no better just like you are equal to a Jew.
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this PT needs to have a sit
October 13, 2007 - 00:08 ET by TruthMongerthis PT needs to have a sit down with Al-Queda
and if he doesn't leave a muslim he ain't leaving with his head attached:)
but Ann if far worse yes
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Retarted
October 13, 2007 - 10:11 ET by PopularTechYou amaze me with your continued retarted replies. You really have no idea who I am. Islam and Radical Islam are two different things. Christianity and Fundamentalist Christianity are two different things.
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Ooooh, good one, Popular Tech!
October 13, 2007 - 16:47 ET by RJDid you really intend to make a comparison of radical Islamists and Fundamental Christians?
I'm curious, though, and have a serious question. I hope you can answer it without resorting to your usual name-calling:
You've displayed outright hatred of both Christian Fundamentalism and anyone who might believe their religion is superior. Is it something you've learned in your church, or something you've come up with on your own?
Common Sense
October 13, 2007 - 18:02 ET by PopularTechI don't hate bigots I find them intellectual morons. Weak minded Fundamentalist bigots are just as dangerous as Islamic Fundamentalists.
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Sounds like anyone who
October 13, 2007 - 07:56 ET by bretzysdudeSounds like anyone who disagrees with you is a bigot, lib.
Stupid
October 13, 2007 - 10:13 ET by PopularTechSounds like anyone who is not fundamentalist Christian you call a lib. That is because you are brainwashed and dumb. Go read a bible and begin your rampage as God commanded:
2 Chronicles 15:13
"Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman"
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Hum - it sounds like poptech thinks Christianity is imperfect
October 12, 2007 - 18:47 ET by Dee Bunkwhat a religious bigot!
I think no religion is perfect
October 12, 2007 - 18:49 ET by PopularTechI think no religion is perfect and I certainly do not think my religion is superior to others. Bigotry is intolerance and ignorance.
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so you think your religion is wrong
October 12, 2007 - 20:20 ET byor right?
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My Belief
October 12, 2007 - 20:49 ET by PopularTechI think it is my belief nothing more. I think no less of other religions and do not think mine superior.
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then why are you bothering
October 12, 2007 - 20:55 ET by TruthMongerthen why are you bothering us?
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I am not bothering you!
October 12, 2007 - 21:41 ET by PopularTechYou and your Fundamentalist buddies are trying to rabidly defend your undefensible position of being bigots. Thank god this country has religious freedom and we are not all Christian Fundamentalists.
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please help if you can PT
October 13, 2007 - 00:09 ET by TruthMongerthen maybe you can help me out of this bigoted idiocy of mine - i would really appreciate it...if you have the time please
Found this online - and I still can't figure this out:
Bigot: a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion
Intolerant: unwillingness or refusal to tolerate or respect contrary opinions or beliefs, persons of different races or backgrounds, etc.
How are you not a bigot and yet I am? I would like to be "un-bigoted" like you...
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You need to realize
October 13, 2007 - 00:37 ET by PopularTech#1 you are no better then Jews. Your religion is no better and that is the reality.
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we could hve told you that
October 13, 2007 - 00:39 ET by TruthMongerwe could hve told you that hours ago
and by the way it's our religion right? you are Christian just like me?
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And
October 13, 2007 - 10:20 ET by PopularTechAnd Jews do not need to be perfected by converting to Christianity since Christianity is no better then Judiasm.
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And YOU'RE no better than
October 13, 2007 - 07:57 ET by bretzysdudeAnd YOU'RE no better than anyone else. Get off his case.
Yep. Here we go again.
October 12, 2007 - 18:46 ET by Sonny LykosYep. Here we go again. Everyone is a bigot except liberals. They are just..............perfect as they are.
Nothing to do with Liberals
October 12, 2007 - 18:47 ET by PopularTechThis has nothing to do with liberals. This has to do with Religious intolerance.
If you think that the Jewish Religion is imperfect you are bigot.
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PT, Who's on First
October 12, 2007 - 19:33 ET by Barker"I think no religion is perfect and I certainly do not think my religion is superior to others." ~Popular Tech
"If you think that the Jewish Religion is imperfect you are bigot." ~Popular Tech
PT, You really haven't thought this whole "bigot" thing through, have you?
Clarification
October 12, 2007 - 20:10 ET by PopularTechThat was rashly stated on my part... yes imperfect but consider your religion the only way to perfection.
"If you think that the Jewish Religion is imperfect but consider your religion the only way to perfection you are bigot"
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PT
October 12, 2007 - 20:36 ET by BarkerThanks for the clarification. And, actually, Christianity is a "Jewish Religion". Hope that clears things up for you.
Irrelevant
October 12, 2007 - 21:08 ET by PopularTechWhat a religion is based on is irrelevant to the comments made.
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Oh, face it! You got
October 13, 2007 - 07:54 ET by bretzysdudeOh, face it! You got pwned! Deal with it, lib!
Wrong
October 13, 2007 - 20:37 ET by PopularTechI am not liberal deal with it and I did not get "owned" - "pwned" is used by the illiterate.
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Everyone is imperfect.
October 12, 2007 - 19:47 ET by Sonny LykosEveryone is imperfect.
so say Christians anyway -
October 12, 2007 - 19:58 ET by TruthMongerso say Christians anyway - everyone is a sinner
the libs don't like that
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TM, just one question for
October 12, 2007 - 20:56 ET by JerTM, just one question for clarification purposes [because I'm trying to keep my distance from this hornet's nest]:
Are you suggesting no libs are Christians or at least not "true" Christians? That seems to be the clear implication of your comment.
Jer
happy to oblige but
October 12, 2007 - 21:02 ET by TruthMongerif you want my clarification you will have to elaborate as to how you derived that implication from my posts...
I believe I'm the only fundie here who never invokes the "true Christian" verbage or judgements...
And I attend a liberal church. My pastor/counselor hates George Bush...
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TM: Derived from the one
October 12, 2007 - 21:29 ET by JerTM: Derived from the one post of yours to which I responded:
[Everyone is a sinner]
so say Christians [my emphasis] anyway - everyone is a sinner
the libs [my emphasis] don't like that
Again, the wording suggests Christians and libs are mutually exclusive. Maybe I misinterpreted. Hope so.
Jer
well, in my opinion all
October 12, 2007 - 21:42 ET by TruthMongerwell, in my opinion all liberal Christians do have a problem with this - that's one of the things that make them liberal Christians
do you talk to alot of liberal Christians about sin? I do...
my lib reference was directed at PT - who says he is a Christian.
Who talks about their imperfections more than Christians? Is it not then absolutely obscene to suggest that Christians like me and Ann are "superior-minded" bigots?
Liberals are the ones insisting that people have no sinful flaws - that most people are "good people" and that Christians like me suggesting we are somehow broken and sinful seems absolutely neanderthal to them. According to agnostic libs we should all think we are fine and that sin is a mid-evil concept...
To be Christian like me and Ann is to be completely humble about our sinfulness which leads to our complete need for Jesus Christ. How is that bigoted superiority?
She is simply saying that Jesus will perfect you. Yes Jews will be perfected by Jesus. That's what the Bible says about everyone. To suggest that is bigoted is absolutely obscene and a tremendous dis-service to those who have suffered true bigotry throughout history...
I know for a fact that there are a ton of liberal bigots mocking people like me every day...
Do you really not see the galling irony of PT's assertions here?
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Well, TM, I can assure you
October 12, 2007 - 22:18 ET by JerWell, TM, I can assure you that I and my liberal Christian friends don't insist "people have no sinful flaws".
To me, the whole notion of "mocking" anyone for his or her religious or political beliefs is repugnant. I will say this, however, (and I don't expect you to agree), but to the extent there has been mocking of the Christian "right" by liberals, it has been in no small measure a reaction to those such as Falwell and Robertson who entered into the political arena and began mocking liberals about their morality and politics.
But I don't want this to degenerate into an "Oh yeah...well you started it" fight. I think it's wrong whoever engages in it.
Jer
thanks very much, jer! i
October 12, 2007 - 22:27 ET by TruthMongerthanks very much, jer!
i don't degenerate that way:)
started a forum and would really love to hear more from you on that count - it would really help me with any misunderstandings I might have about liberal Christians
would be happy to clarify Robertson and Falwell - and even godhatesfags.org if you like as well - you might have some misunderstandings of them - based on your comments
http://newsbusters.org/forums/topic-discussion/are-fundies-me-ann-bigots-16324
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Fair enough, TM... Jer
October 12, 2007 - 22:34 ET by JerFair enough, TM...
Jer
Slight
October 12, 2007 - 21:54 ET by JerSlight correction...
[Everyone is a sinner] should read [Everyone is imperfect]
(This was S L's phrase to which you added on to in your comment)
Jer
"YEE-HAW! Let's round up
October 13, 2007 - 08:04 ET by bretzysdude"YEE-HAW! Let's round up all the religious bigots and put them in hoosegow."
Too bad you're bigoted too and showing your true colors.
As I understand it, from a
October 12, 2007 - 18:42 ET by KhyrisAs I understand it, from a Christian perspective, calling someone "imperfect" is in no way a sign of intolerance.... because Christians believe EVERYONE is imperfect.
Again, Coulter's use of the word "perfected" was a reference to scripture and an allusion to how closely related the two faiths are.
If I say it would be a good thing for your your credit rating to be perfected, does this mean I am intolerant and hateful of your current credit rating??? That's absurd.
The subjective opinion of what makes people "better off" is just that... subjective... and not believing that all faiths everywhere are perfect does not make someone a bigot. Name ONE faith that furthers the idea that all other faiths are equally valid?? You can't.
Non-controversy. Can we move on now?
It is unfortunate you are
October 12, 2007 - 18:44 ET by dvdaughtryIt is unfortunate you are an athiest. You understand the situation very well.
Not trying to stir the pot, have you always been athiest?
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Nothing unfortunate about it
October 12, 2007 - 18:54 ET by PopularTechThis country has freedom of religion for a reason. He can believe whatever he wants as can you and I but none of us has the right to think that Jews are imperfect.
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What???
October 12, 2007 - 19:49 ET by River CityI don't think you are serious. This comment gave you away.
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Techie
October 12, 2007 - 20:06 ET byof course people have the right to think Jews are imperfect. How Orwellian of you, and what draconoian measures will you institute to monitor thought? I hope i misunderstood you which is possible for this imperfect bot
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No right to think
October 13, 2007 - 10:01 ET by kdizzydazenone of us has the right to think that Jews are imperfect - PT
But, do we have the right to feel that Jews are imperfect?
Lib Playbook - leaving thinking alone - you gotta feel it broham.
Nope
October 12, 2007 - 18:51 ET by PopularTechShe used these words:
"PEFECTED JEWS" implying that if they became Christians they had the chance to be perfected. That is bigotry.
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Ok, you seem to take
October 12, 2007 - 19:06 ET by KhyrisOk, you seem to take exception to the word "perfected" because as a logical (and probably technical mind) you probably have a very specific definition of that word.
I'm an engineer as well, so I sympathize with you that generally when we see an "imperfection" it implies a flaw of negative value.
However, the connotations of the word "perfected" and "perfection" have a very different meaning in the scriptural sources. Just because I'm an atheist doesn't mean I haven't read a lot of scriptures of major religions...
But I think you'll find that many words get "lost in translation" when used by people of different ideologies. Consider how different the definitions of the word "martyr" are between cultures.
If you have never read the scriptural context of the Christian notion of "perfection", expecting you to understand its non-offensive and non-condemnatory nature would be like describing "green" to a blind man and expecting them to understand colour.
I understand your confusion... really I do. I would want for you to have a better understanding of the context, because it would make the world a better place. That doesn't mean I pity you, nor do I feel superior.
Stop spinning
October 12, 2007 - 19:15 ET by PopularTechSeriously, if she wanted to say something else she should have used another word. I have never heard of another definition of perfected.
I have read the bible ect... This discussion has never come up and is rhetorical spin.
To say it is non offensive is ludicrous. I heard what she said and how she said it, Donny even gave her a chance to explain and she did nothing to change the meaning.
There is no confusion except for those who believe that Jews are imperfect.
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I have read the bible
October 12, 2007 - 19:24 ET by dvdaughtryI have read the bible ect... This discussion has never come up and is rhetorical spin.
What discussion are you refering too?
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Perfection
October 12, 2007 - 19:27 ET by PopularTechThe alternate religious meaning of perfection.
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I believe that Khryis has
October 12, 2007 - 19:49 ET by dvdaughtryI believe that Khryis has touched on this, but all words have different meanings based on the context they are used.
The word "set" I believe has the most in the English language.
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bigots have trouble
October 13, 2007 - 00:17 ET by TruthMongerbigots have trouble admitting they're wrong - even when deluged with clear and convincing evidence
I am wrong here about Ann's comments
didn't even need much evidence to admit that
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Perfected in Christ
October 12, 2007 - 19:26 ET by River CityThe term "perfect in Christ" is common is protestant churches. We are all imperfect beings. Christ was the only perfect person.
“Government’s first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives.” Ronald Reagan
Still vague
October 12, 2007 - 19:35 ET by PopularTechWhich protestant Religions. See there are many.
There are many way to state things. Saying we are all imperfect is not offensive, saying that other religions need to be perfected is bigoted.
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Popular Tech
October 12, 2007 - 20:16 ET byWhy should she use a different word than 'perfected'? Because you don't understand it at first and then refuse to accept it's legitimate usage after it's been explained to you? Ann should change her vocabulary because you are stubborn?
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Hitler wanted to Perfect the Jews
October 12, 2007 - 21:50 ET by PopularTechOnly someone with no education could not understand what she meant or try and spin it.
Ann should stop being a bigot. I knew the fundamentalists would defend her and it is dangerous to court the fundamentalist in the Republican party.
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Hitler wanted to perfect
October 12, 2007 - 21:59 ET by TruthMongerHitler wanted to perfect the Jews? by exterminating them?
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Coulter is a choir-girl compared to this statement
October 12, 2007 - 23:25 ET by BarkerI come back to this thread and find one of the most vile, hate-filled, reprehensible, anti-Semitic slurs I have ever heard.
What slur is that?
This one: "Hitler wanted to Perfect the Jews" ~Popular Tech
Really?
October 13, 2007 - 00:41 ET by PopularTechSo now stating what Hitler wanted to do is reprehensible? Hitler was a lunatic who thought he was superior to Jews. I fail to see how the statement is anti-semetic in the context of Hitler. I believe you are delusional.
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where does Hitler say he
October 13, 2007 - 00:44 ET by TruthMongerwhere does Hitler say he wanted to perfect the Jews...?
The Bible says that:
“Christ in you, the hope of glory: whom we proclaim, admonishing every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ: whereunto I labor also, striving according to His working which works in me mightily.” Col. 1: 27-29.
study up on Bible perfection:
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No, no, no
October 14, 2007 - 03:07 ET by TheDeuceHitler didn't say that...Saul did.
Are you calling Saul an anti-semite?
O RLY? You have read the
October 13, 2007 - 08:09 ET by bretzysdudeO RLY? You have read the BIBLE? *gasp*
Again, WHERE does it say we HAVE to be tolerant of other religions? PLEASE state book, chapter and verse???
She said nothing
October 12, 2007 - 18:24 ET by KhyrisShe said nothing condemnatory about Jewish people. She said nothing threatening. All she conveyed was the desire for all people to convert to Christianity when asked what her ideal world would be like.
Christians would like everyone to convert to Christianity, Jews would like everyone to convert to Judaism, and Muslims would like everyone to convert to Islam. This is not news.
Jeesh, I'm an atheist and even I understood her remarks weren't offensive. This is such a non-controversy... it'd be like if I said in my ideal world, all people would become wealthy. That's not "anti-poor people." It's a wish for people to become better off, and I never said I'd accomplish it by killing off anyone without money as some pundits have likened her to nazis "getting rid of" Jews.
That Christianity would make Jewish people "better off" may be her own subjective opinion, even a bit egotistical at that, but it's by no means ill-intentioned, let alone hateful.
As an atheist, people try to "convert" and "save" me all the time... but why would they be interested in doing that if they "hate" me as all this media spin suggests? It's contradictory.
She said JEWS NEED TO BE PERFECTED!
October 12, 2007 - 18:41 ET by PopularTechAnyone who thinks everyone should be converted to Christianity is a moron. If you think Jews need to be perfected then you are an Anti-Semite and ignorant.
She stated:
"we just want Jews to be perfected"
You are not offended because you are not Jewish, don't have any real Jewish friends and do not comprehend what she was stating and how she stated it.
She not only implied that Christians were superior to Jews she acted like everyone should know this. Oh she doesn't hate Jews, she just pities them. I have never seen more people try to spin an Anti-Semite's propaganda more then here.
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Did she say Jews were bad
October 12, 2007 - 18:54 ET by KhyrisDid she say Jews were bad and that she was AGAINST them in principle? No
Did she say ACTION should be taken AGAINST Jews (you know against = anti)? No
So if she said nothing AGAINST them, where do you pull the word Anti-Semite from?
Of course she implied Christians are superior to jews... it's part of the Christian belief structure... if they didn't then what would be the point of being Christian instead of Jewish?
Jews imply they are superior to Christians... if they didn't then what would be the point of being Jewish instead of Christian?
Muslims imply they are superior to infidels... if they didn't then what would be the point of being Muslim instead of an infidel?
The only "spin" here is people trying to make a mountain of a molehill, doing things like falsely attributing "pity" when they have no business speculating on her motivations. What the hell? Even if it turns out she does pity them, since when is pity "anti-" anything? Do you pity the sick or dying? If you do you must be anti-infirm by your logic! Just let all those people in the hospital die and get it over with already... that's better than pitying them, because that might be misconstrued as superiority! Better to be a heartless monster! Such logic!
News to me
October 12, 2007 - 18:58 ET by PopularTechSo if the Christian belief structure is that Christians are superior to Jews then I want nothing to do with Christians who believe that insanity. I want nothing to do with intolerant bigots who think Jews need to be perfected.
If you cannot comprehend the problem with this way of thinking then there is no hope for you.
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Obviously I understand the
October 12, 2007 - 19:08 ET by KhyrisObviously I understand the "problem" with this way of thinking, or I wouldn't be an atheist...
...but that doesn't mean I attribute it to intollerance and villainy.
The Point
October 12, 2007 - 19:21 ET by PopularTechThe point is not all Christian faiths believe they are superior to others religions and certainly not all Christians believe this either. I certainly attribute it to intolerance because if tolerance was taught then superiority would never be in the discussion.
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this is similar to calling
October 13, 2007 - 00:25 ET by TruthMongerthis is similar to calling Christianity exclusionary - because "only Christians" go to Heaven...
However, anyone is free to become a Christian - no one is denied - if they ask
Try talking to God about your concerns here - He's the one who invented intolerance - there is absolutely no tolerance for sin in Heaven - read you Bible again (and by the way please capitalize the Word)
seek and ye shall find
If you are looking for bigotry and intolerance anywhere - you will find it
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What a ridiculous Statement
October 13, 2007 - 00:44 ET by PopularTech"only Christians go to Heaven."
Anyone who believes that is a moron. This isn't Fundamentalist indoctrination time. Please keep your ridiculous brainwashed statements to yourself.
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the Bible is ridiculous - I
October 13, 2007 - 00:50 ET by TruthMongerthe Bible is ridiculous - I will grant you that:
John 10:7-9:
How does one know if he is a part of the body of Christ? In John 3:3 Jesus said, "Truly, truly I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
God is pretty intolerant about this
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Oh Please
October 13, 2007 - 00:53 ET by PopularTechKeep your preaching to your fundamentalist buddies.
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well you already knew this
October 13, 2007 - 00:58 ET by TruthMongerwell you already knew this anyway as you said you read the Bible:)
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"All she conveyed was the
October 12, 2007 - 18:48 ET by Sonny Lykos"All she conveyed was the desire for all people to convert to Christianity when asked what her ideal world would be like."
She is not allowed to say things like that. She's a conservative, Republican, Christian. Only liberals can say, and do, as they please. Don't you get it yet?
Stop spinning
October 12, 2007 - 18:59 ET by PopularTechShe said more then that she said Christians were superior to Jews. And only ignorant intolerant bigots could think this way.
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It's an interesting
October 12, 2007 - 19:17 ET by KhyrisIt's an interesting paradox...
Let me ask, are you superior to someone who is inferior to you? More exactly.... should someone less qualified than you get a job for which you are more qualified? Why or Why not? Why would this belief in your superior job qualifications be any more or less "bigoted" than belief in your superior religious credo?
See, the problem with calling this superiority-complex 'bigotry' is that it would strongly rely on the inference that they are wrong. If you want to prove that Christians are NOT superior to Jews (or vice-versa)... well... that's a battle in moral reletavism that is impossible to win.
Doesn't work that way
October 12, 2007 - 19:26 ET by PopularTechFaith is belief in something that cannot be proven. Skill and education level can be. Which is why Faith must be tolerant and never think they are superior to another faith and accept that it is a different way of thinking or belief. You can have pride in your faith but you have no right to think you are superior.
A Religious superiority complex is bigotry which is why it should be avoided.
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again tolerance means you
October 13, 2007 - 00:29 ET by TruthMongeragain tolerance means you can put up with something you don't like - something that someone like me and Ann must do in spades everyday in contemporary America
so can you tolerate Ann's views or not?
Can we agree to disagree? Can we respect each other's views as neither better or worse - just different? I can tolerate you. Can you tolerate me?
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October 13, 2007 - 00:50 ET by PopularTechGuess what you will have to tolerate Judaism for as long as the United States exists and I am breathing. And I will do everything in my power to make sure you don't get a chance to convert a single one. So unless you were refering to some other idiotic offtopic tolerance nonsense I really don't care.
So lets see if you had the ability to would you do round up all the non fundamentalist Christians and convert them at the point of a gun if they do not convert willfully?
What is with your ridiculous statements. You have to "put up" with. We all have to tolerate things. I feel so bad for you having to tolerate Jews.
Oh I tolerate it but I will also make damn sure everyone knows Ann Coulter is a bigot.
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I will pray for this dark
October 13, 2007 - 00:56 ET by TruthMongerI will pray for this dark spirit of anger and hatred and confusion in you to lift - a mighty visitation of the Holy Spirit
darkness cannot stand against the light. Ann and my other perfected fellow Jews love you and claim you for Him...
Whatever has a grip on you was fun I must say - however absolutely pathetic - but it's gone now - so let us know how it goes over the next few days!
Bless ya in Jesus' name
TM
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Yes, we KNOW. You have
October 13, 2007 - 08:12 ET by bretzysdudeYes, we KNOW. You have said this over and over and over...
You seem to not understsnd religion
October 12, 2007 - 18:50 ET by c5thenThe Messiah came to perfect the law and replace the single path of salvation that almost no one could follow ( the laws and regulations as set forth in Leviticus). Yahushua DID NOT come to start a new religion, he came to complete and perfect the existing. What was the existing religion he came to perfect? Judaisim or, more accurately the Yahudim (followers of YHWH).
There is no hate or intolerance in any of that. Here is what David Horowitz had to say about it:
The intolerance is in tryng to censor people who are saying things that you disagree with or think are wrong. The only ignorance is in thinking that all religions are "equal" and that people should "keep their belifs to themselves".
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It works both way
October 12, 2007 - 19:08 ET by PopularTechAnyone Christian, Jewish or Muslim who thinks they are superior to other religions is a bigot period. I want nothing to do with intolerant bigots.
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Specifically...
October 13, 2007 - 04:18 ET by TheDeuceWhat is hateful for a Christian to hope all others become Christian? Any religion's believers would, as a default, hold that belief, right? As a Christian, I actively pray that all will appreciate Jesus Christ's sacrifice and accept Him as their personal Savior.
Now, I'm looking for where Ann called for forced conversions or the like...
Matthew, please help me out
October 12, 2007 - 18:08 ET by buddycMatthew, please help me out here.
MSNBC tells us Cheney is evil, Bush committed crimes (unspecified), Bush and Cheney are liars, Cheney is "Darth Vader", Bush is a drug addict, Bush tortures, Bush's kids should join the military and Danny Dickway Deutsch goes on NBC to announce that the public is turning away from "hate". NBC would have NO viewers if it wasn't all hate all the time. My god man all of the democrat success of 2006 and their present standing in the polls is based on hate, hate yesterday, hate today and hate tomorrow. It is nothing but hate. Jon Stewart called it "pathetic" as I recall or a "say way to look at life". It is 24 hours a day of hate. MSNBC/NBC is the network of the two biggest haters in televions, Chris Matthew and Keith Olberman?
Am I going nuts or am I correct in believing that Vieira and Deutsch have a lot of nerve criticising Coulter for "hate" when they work for NBC?
I read every Ann Coulter book. She is funny. She is smart. She is a great writer. She is articulate. She has a sense of humor. She is all that NBC is not.
Regarding Ann Coulter
October 12, 2007 - 18:20 ET by BourbeauMore importantly, she knows how to pull the left's chain, and get them in a tizzy. The only time anyone hears of Donny Deutch is if something like this occurs on his show (not all that often). Ann is more than happy to accommodate; more importantly, she can defend whatever it is that she said. The only people who are offended by any of this are those members of the media's p/c police, out there trying to trash conservatives. You almost wish they had a damn debate - our side is Rush, Ann, and Sean; their side is, ahhh, hmmmm, ahhhh; I guess this isn't a good idea, none of them would show up anyway.
I am sick of the "tolerant"
October 12, 2007 - 18:22 ET by dvdaughtryI am sick of the "tolerant" MM that wants to BAN everyone that says something that someone else chooses to take offensively.
To be offended is a choice, not something someone says or does to you.
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Come on! The libs are
October 12, 2007 - 18:50 ET by Sonny LykosCome on! The libs are VERY tolerant............of other libs.
Ann Coulter
October 12, 2007 - 18:23 ET by River CityAnn is a lawyer and a writer but not a theologian. Libs know less about Christian theology than lay Christians. This is an argument among halfwits: the MSM and the netroots. They are mostly unarmed. In Ann’s clumsy attempt at Christian theology she was trying to tell him what the Christian Bible says. Add her sarcasm and satire and you have a lethal mix. Too much for a lightweight like Donny to understand.
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Jews are not perfect
October 12, 2007 - 18:51 ET by bigpapabut neither are Christians, Buddhasits, Catholics or even our friends the Wiccas..
As long as your religion doesn't tell you to hurt anyone or yourself... who cares????
Someone tell me how you can prove your God is best?????
Except
October 12, 2007 - 19:07 ET by PopularTechExcept she did not say that no religion was perfect she specifically stated that Jews need to be Perfected implying they can only be by switching to Christianity. That is bigotry.
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sorry PT
October 12, 2007 - 19:19 ET by bigpapaI was speaking for myself not Anne,
I really can't speak for her or anyone else..
If I could I would call Jackson and Sharpton RACISTS.. for example
but... I don't know what's in their hearts...
Man, would you get off...
October 12, 2007 - 19:40 ET by rx4music...the whole bigot thing? Why don't you show as much contempt for a guy like Ahmadinejad and his intolerance of ANY religion other than Islam? He and his ilk has put forth the belief that anyone who doesn't convert to Islam deserves to die. AND if you don't tolerate Islam and live under sharia law you deserve to die. AND if you were a muslim and changed your religion to anything else you deserve to die. Where is your outrage or charge of bigotry for the muslims? Every religion, to one point or another, tries to "witness" for their religion (or "recruit" if you will). It is fundamental to being a Mormon (a one year "mission") as well as the Jehovah's Witnesses. Christians believe you must accept Christ as your saviour and accept him into your heart. Whatever your religion, you are entitled to believe WHATEVER you want to believe. That is a fundamental part of being an American. You have a fundamental right to CHOOSE! It doesn't make anyone a bigot to support or show love for their religion. The definition of bigot is - "a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion." Sorry, as much of a flamethrower as Ann can be, I just don't see it as being a bigot.
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Don't be a fool
October 12, 2007 - 21:11 ET by PopularTechDon't tell me what I should do when you do not know what I have done. And don't change the subject.
You are entitled to believe whatever you want to but if you believe Jews are imperfect but can only be perfected by converting to Christianity you are a bigot and will have to live with the cold hard reality of it.
Ann is a bigot and she made it clear.
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PT do you read the Bible?
October 12, 2007 - 21:21 ET by TruthMongerPT do you read the Bible? What is the purpose of accepting Jesus as your savior? What is the purpose of salvation in your opinion?
Why do the scriptures say that we cannot be in God's heavenly presence until we are cleansed of all sin? How is that done? How is that not perfection?
According to your assertions here how are we to judge anything on earth as better or worse without bigotry?
How do Christians exercise this feeling of superiority? Do we kill people? Do we ask non-Christians to sit at the back of the city bus? Do we deny people education or jobs because they are not Christian? Really, what is your understanding of bigotry anyway - it sounds like you are describing liberals to me...based on their constant actions anyway
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I don't read the bible literally
October 12, 2007 - 22:03 ET by PopularTechNot only do I not read the bible literally there are varing versions and varing interpretations.
See that is the difference I do not read the bible literally and accept everyone has the right to their beliefs and mine are not superior to them. Faith cannot be judged on this level.
I already defined what a bigot is:
Bigot - "a person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who thinks that anyone who does not have the same beliefs is wrong"
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and you think we who don't
October 12, 2007 - 22:08 ET byand you think we who don't have the same beliefs as you are wrong. Don't you? You think we are wrong. Admit it. You think we are wrong.
"Television is where you watch people in your living room that you would not want near your house." Groucho
This is very clear
October 13, 2007 - 00:59 ET by PopularTechI think anyone who believes Jews are imperfect but can only be perfected by converting to Christianity are bigots.
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In other words, you are
October 13, 2007 - 08:13 ET by bretzysdudeIn other words, you are WRONG.
thanks for the feedback PT
October 12, 2007 - 22:08 ET by TruthMongerthanks for the feedback PT - your bigot definition sounds like Jesus does it not?
Which Gospel is truly unreasonable?
Jesus was willing to leave everything behind to bring into being a common life with those who would leave all behind to follow Him. He left behind His home(1), all His possessions, and declared His true family to be those who would “hear the Word of God and do it(2) .” He poured His entire attention on those who responded to His call; discipling them, having one purse(3) , one life, and one way with them.
He called the twelve apostles to leave all and follow Him. Unlike the young ruler, they all did so(4) . He told them that was the cost of eternal life not just for them, but for everyone(5).
Jesus told the young ruler that in order to have eternal life, he had to be willing to give up all he possessed. The young ruler went away sad, unwilling to trust enough to obey Jesus(6).
The Son of God said that the Kingdom of God was a treasure that had the same price for everyone, rich and poor alike; if you want it, it costs all that you have(7).
http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/6238.html
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Talk about Brainwashed
October 13, 2007 - 00:57 ET by PopularTechIf you really believe that my definition of Bigot is a message of Jesus then I suggest you seek psychiatric help.
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I prefer to call it
October 13, 2007 - 01:01 ET by TruthMongerI prefer to call it "Jesus-washed"
a much "deeper clean"
according to your demon's ramblings tonight God is quite the bigot:)
demons aren't all that bright most of the time - don't think much before they speak
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