While ABC’s Chris Cuomo played softball with Columbia University president Lee Bollinger on the upcoming speech of Iranian president Ahmadinejad, CNN’s John Roberts directed tough questions to John Coatsworth, dean for Columbia’s School of International and Public Affairs. Roberts opened the interview with a question which summarized Ahmadinejad’s record. "Here's a leader who's advocated the destruction of Israel, denied the Holocaust, and is accused by our government, the United States government, of supplying both fighters and equipment to insurgents in Iraq, to kill U.S. troops. Why would you ever want him on your campus?"
Coatsworth appeared during the 7 am hour of Monday’s "American Morning." Besides the opening question, Roberts brought up two of the condemnations that were issued in response to the upcoming speech, one from Newt Gingrich, and the other from Senator Chuck Schumer. Roberts also asked Coatsworth to clarify his recent comments regarding what would happen if Hitler wanted to speak at Columbia.
The last part of the interview concerned a lecture at Columbia by Minuteman Project founder Jim Gilchrist in 2006 that was disrupted by a large contingent that included Columbia students. "Why didn't you allow Minuteman founder Jim Gilchrist, that same opportunity to be challenged? I know that he spoke there last year, and his speech was interrupted by students who stormed the stage, but he had a speaking engagement coming up October 6th that was canceled. Why do you allow Ahmadinejad there and not the founder of the Minuteman Project?" After Coatsworth assured that Gilchrist would be allowed to speak at Columbia, Roberts followed up by asking, "Would you be willing to sponsor him? Does he have any value to you?" Coatsworth’s answer: "He doesn't have a value to the School of International and Public Affairs. He had value to the Young Republicans at Columbia, and if they wish to invite again, he will certainly be permitted to speak."
The full transcript of the interview from Monday’s "American Morning:"
JOHN ROBERTS: Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad won't necessarily be getting the red carpet treatment when he speaks at Columbia University later on today, but he will be allowed to speak, regardless of the tough questions he'll face. Some say that he shouldn't be heard from, period.
DOV HIKIND, NEW YORK STATE ASSEMBLYMAN: I call on New Yorkers to make the life of Ahmedinejad, as he is in New York, miserable. Make his life miserable.
ROBERTS: That's some very passionate arguments there today. Joining me now is the dean of Columbia University's School of International and Public Affairs John Coatsworth. He's live on the Columbia campus here in New York. Mr. Coatesworth, thanks for being with us this morning....
JOHN COATSWORTH, COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY DEAN: Good morning.
ROBERTS: ...Opening question: Here's a leader who's advocated the destruction of Israel, denied the Holocaust, and is accused by our government, the United States government, of supplying both fighters and equipment to insurgents in Iraq, to kill U.S. troops. Why would you ever want him on your campus?
COATSWORTH: Well, precisely because he is the leader of an important country, and one that our country is going to have to deal with in the future. Iran is infinitely more powerful today than it was just three years ago. In the future, Iran is going to be a – is going to hold the key to peace in the Middle East. We have to be able to deal with and negotiate leaders like this, however much we may disagree with their views. Like or not, he is an important guy.
ROBERTS: The question that some people are raising is, what are you going to hear from him, and will he be straight with you as you seek to challenge him? Here's what Newt Gingrich said that about that yesterday. Take a quick listen.
NEWT GINGRICH, FORMER SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: [Ahmadinejad] ...is a pathological liar. He is a very effective speaker. And I think that Columbia University is being very foolish to allow that kind of person to have a venue like an American university.
ROBERTS: So, Newt Gingrich is concerned – and it's a concern shared by other people – is that you're not going to get straight answers from this guy. He's a spin-meister. He's a propagandist. How will your students be able to challenge him in a way that they'll be able to cut through?
COATSWORTH: Well, look, we're going to ask him tough questions. If he gives us terrible answers, that will be known by not only the faculty and students of the university, but by everyone in the world. He's on TV when he speaks at Columbia. The Voice of America will broadcast his speech, but also the questions and his answers throughout Iran. The people of the world will know if he's giving answers differently today than he's given in the past.
ROBERTS: Right. There is opposition to his appearance today on both sides of the political aisle. We just heard from Newt Gingrich. Here's what Senator Chuck Schumer of New York had to say about it. 'Free speech means that you shouldn't silence anyone, but it doesn't mean you need to invite everyone to come to speak. I wish they hadn't invited Ahmadinejad.' The concern appears to be giving a platform to a leader, in this country, when the United States government has real problems with him. Aren't you afraid that you're going to be used in a way here?
COATSWORTH: No, Ahmadinejad is a world leader of consequence. He has a platform whenever he wishes to have one. What he doesn't have is a classroom, and that's what we're offering him; an opportunity not only to present his views, but defend them in the face of challenges and tough questions.
ROBERTS: Yeah. Also, you said, when you were asked about this a couple of days ago, quote, 'If he (Hitler) were willing to engage in debate and a discussion to be challenged by Columbia students and faculty, we would certainly invite him.' When it comes to inviting world leaders for this program that you've had going for a few years now, where do you draw the line? Is there anyone that you wouldn't invite? Would you really have invited Hitler?
COATSWORTH: Look, if Hitler had come to the Columbia University in 1939, I would have been outside with the peaceful protesters. Or if I had been dean, I would have been inside presenting him to our students to be challenged. You can't choose your role in life. You can only choose the principles you have to live by. And in this case, we're providing not a platform, but a classroom, and we're going to challenge this guy as he has not been challenged in other places.
ROBERTS: Okay, so why didn't you allow Minuteman founder Jim Gilchrist, that same opportunity to be challenged? I know that he spoke there last year, and his speech was interrupted by students who stormed the stage, but he had a speaking engagement coming up October 6th that was canceled. Why do you allow Ahmadinejad there and not the founder of the Minuteman Project?
COATSWORTH: We certainly would invite him and allow him to speak on campus, so long as security could be arranged properly. We did not rescind an invitation to him. He's perfectly welcome to come and speak on campus, as long as there's a student or faculty group, or an institutional group, like a school or department that's willing to sponsor him.
ROBERTS: Right. Would you be willing to sponsor him? Does he have any value to you?
COATSWORTH: He doesn't have a value to the School of International and Public Affairs. He had value to the Young Republicans at Columbia, and if they wish to invite again, he will certainly be permitted to speak.
ROBERTS: All right, so, let me just check this with you. If you can provide security for Ahmadinejad, could you provide enough security for Jim Gilchrist?
COATSWORTH: Why, of course.
ROBERTS: Okay, well, maybe they'll re-invite him. John Coatsworth, dean of the School of International and Public Affairs, thanks for being with us today. We're going to be tuning in live this afternoon. We'll see how this whole thing turns out. Appreciate it.
COATSWORTH: Thanks, look forward to it.
—Matthew Balan is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.




















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Ahmadinejad hates Bush and
September 24, 2007 - 16:08 ET by rbosqueAhmadinejad hates Bush and America. He and liberals have something in common! That's why he's allowed to speak. Even though he's not an American with 1st Amendment rights, evidently, he has more rights than Jim Gilchrist and the ROTC.
Hiter would be so proud of todays American Socialists sock-puppets.
Amazing!
It's also amazing
September 24, 2007 - 16:18 ET by mattmThat someone from the MSM is asking tough questions...
Keep your enemies closer.
September 24, 2007 - 16:09 ET byThe guy is a freak; an idiot; and an Islamic Extremist. However, he's in a place where we can ask him questions. I'm all for it. Keep asking questions. Embarass him. Do the same to China's leaders, North Korea's leaders, Burma's leaders, Pakistan's leaders.
Osama's bin Hidin' is one that I would really like to be in a similar spot, but we can't find him.
What happened to "Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer."? (Before I get corrected again, that is correct grammar where I write from!)
The problem with that
September 24, 2007 - 17:17 ET by Nortonalecis Ahmadinejad does not care what is asked of him. He played those idots like a violin. Every question that was asked was re-asked and turned around on the questioner. I think the university president was in over his head, and an analysis in the next day or so will prove me right.
Nortonalec
He [Gilchrest] doesn't have
September 24, 2007 - 16:12 ET by PeskyDaneHe [Gilchrest] doesn't have a value to the School of International and Public Affairs.
A man representing an organization focused on the sovereignty of the United States has no value to a department in a major university within the United States. Interesting... interesting...
Seems to me that national
September 24, 2007 - 16:25 ET by SouthernRootsSeems to me that national sovereignty and how it is defined and protected would be a perfect topic for investigation in studying International and Public Affairs.
International Borders?
September 24, 2007 - 16:27 ET by CaringwhiteguyThe respect of international borders has no value to the SCHOOL OF INTERNATIONAL AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS?
The inference being of
September 24, 2007 - 16:52 ET by ur-conThe inference being of course that Gilchrist is of interest to the Young Republicans while Ahmadinejad is of interest to the School of International and Public Affairs. Draw your own conclusions about the allegiances of Gilchrist and Ahmadinejad. I suspect one of them is pro USA. Where does that imply about the School of International and Public Affairs?
Dinner Jacket
September 24, 2007 - 16:38 ET by third eyeAs much as I was aganist dinner-jacket speaking at Columbia, watching him get booed was nice, I have to admit. They booed him when he said "there are no homosexuals in Iran", and he clearly didnt expect the very loud and vocal boos by the students of Columbia...That moment, was priceless
Glad to hear he got booed
September 24, 2007 - 16:42 ET by bigtimerGlad to hear he got booed for something.
This is one time being the political junkie that I am that I could not or better yet would not listen to one word that POS enemy of ours has to say.
I am furious that he is even here...period.
Gay Rights Triumphs!!!!
September 24, 2007 - 16:45 ET by CaringwhiteguySo gay rights are more important to Columbia students than the potential destruction of the Middle East?
He was taken aback with the
September 25, 2007 - 07:34 ET by Senior ChiefHe was taken aback with the boos, and really trying to be composed. Remember, no fellow Iranian booed him before this...Expect some when he gets home, maybe?
It may be time for the ROTC
September 24, 2007 - 17:08 ET by maggieqpublicIt may be time for the ROTC to ask for formal reinstatement on the Columbia campus. And it may be time for the Columbia Republicans to schedule speaking engagements for every conservative who has the courage to stand up in front of the mob. Then sit back and watch the response from the students and administrators.
maggie... I could not
September 24, 2007 - 17:13 ET by bigtimermaggie...
I could not agree more.
This I would watch...gladly.
BT, The kids should aim high
September 24, 2007 - 17:30 ET by maggieqpublicBT, The kids should aim high and try to schedule Vice President Cheney or Donald Rumsfeld or Carl Rove (Rush Limbaugh, maybe)... then we'll see what the Columbia community thinks of first amendment rights and free and open "dialogue". Ha!
I'll go with Rush Limbaugh,
September 25, 2007 - 07:38 ET by Senior ChiefI'll go with Rush Limbaugh, the most conservative of them all. Matter of fact, invite one of their famous liberal next to Rush. That would be a good day at Columbia!
Listen to what he said!
September 24, 2007 - 20:09 ET by tbbaxterI wonder how ol' Mahmood's speech is going to be spun to the people of Iran and the Middle East: "See, my dear friends, the Great Satan allows homosexuals to run free. This is why they must be destroyed!" I gaurantee this is going to fuel even more anti-American sentiment. Also, there is grave importance to the fact that he beseeched the Mahdi to return in his opening remarks, which he usually reserveS for the end of his rants. The only way to get this false god to appear is to create great violence and destruction in advance, probably in the U.S. and Israel. AND HE ALMOST HAS THE Bomb... We should be discussing THAT!
It's the "negotiation" thingie with Columbia/Ahmadinejad
September 25, 2007 - 08:59 ET by JayTeeThe Columbia squirrels wanted to push the "negotiate" agenda, no war agenda, by allowing Ahmadinejad to speak.
They wanted to show us how "humane" the enemy was....but I think the Gay community got a different take on his speech.
Evidently the MSM wasn't getting the job done, so Columbia teamed up with the MSM, and it turns out, Columbia teamed up with Al Jazeera and company as they reported a "Standing Ovation" and other Hitler type propaganda in the Arab news.
Nice Job Columbia......Who's next ? Dan Rather needs a platform and Face time in the press, how about him.....Dan is a Deny'er.
What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ? David Foote GoE
That gay line was the best
September 25, 2007 - 09:03 ET by sarcasmoThe entire crowd laughed at him, and I don't think they'll be able to easily edit the laughter for an Iranian audience, with the internet being there...
JMR
Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul.
I'm Sure he wet his "Depends" on that one....
September 25, 2007 - 10:00 ET by Conservative_in_mass.Coatsworth: "And in this case, we're providing not a platform, but a classroom, and we're going to challenge this guy as he has not been challenged in other places."
I'm Sure dinner jacket was terrified at the prospect of being "challenged" by Ivy League academia in the classroom. I hope he read his Cliffs notes.These profs can be sooo tough come exam time.
I can see it now, the President of a nation that sponsors terrorists, denies the Holocaust (then lies about that), calls for the extinction of Jews and continues to defy the world community with the continued enrichment of Uranium trembling at the thought of "being challenged" like an undergrad.
A bunch of acedemics, secure in their protected tenured positions intimidating Ackie...its comical. Like he really cares what they think. These people are so self absorbed and arrogant, its pathetic.
What really happened is he snookered you fools into giving him a platform to further advance his agenda. But of course, the braintrust at Columbia is too enlightened to see it.
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. ~ Unknown
The second mouse eats the cheese lying in the blood of Mouse1.
September 26, 2007 - 13:55 ET byI liked the way he was publically grilled, called an idiot, a "stupid dictator" etc etc.
Bring them all out from their lairs, I say.
"I liked the way he was
September 26, 2007 - 14:03 ET by MightyMouth"I liked the way he was publically grilled, called an idiot, a "stupid dictator" etc etc."
Are you talking about President Bush? That's standard treatment for GWB by the MSM. Looks like dinnerjacket can't handle the heat in the kitchen.
And I withdraw my nomination for your earlier post as most lame of the day and nominate this one instead.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
That was a waste of 5
September 26, 2007 - 14:20 ET byThat was a waste of 5 minutes, wasn't it?
I correct myself. It probably took you 20 minutes.
I simply meant what I wrote.
First, he was mocking the
September 27, 2007 - 19:20 ET by Conservative_in_mass.First, he was mocking the academia of Columbia just by being there. It illustrated the how niave and "Chamberlain" like they are. Did he slink off? Did he agree with the criticism? Of course not.
Instead, he used the pulpit to blather his hateful rhetoric. As I said, he must have really been intimidated by tenured academics who live in a bubble known as a university campus.
What was their next form of intimidation going to be, a pop quiz?Maybe have him attend a thesis defense of his position with three professors present. That will get him to s**t his pants!
As for your stupid interpretation of my banner...at least you got the animal count right this time...now try for the MEANING.
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. ~ Unknown
Meaning
October 9, 2007 - 17:36 ET byThat's what is so funny about the banners on this site. They only mean something to the people who write them, and that's why I make fun of them.
It's like the old "An eye for an eye" quote. Some people use it, fully believing in it. Really, it's a system for establishing a society of toothless blind people.
and I have nothing against toothless blind people!
Your banner is a mixed metaphor. It tries to combine a natural law and fact, with a trap, and human intervention.
It just doesn't work for me. That's cool, isn't it?
Besides, I'm only a nine year old on his 'mom's' computer, and I don't know nuffink, innit.