Jeff Toobin, CNN’s senior legal analyst, made two statements on the resignation of attorney general Alberto Gonzales on Monday’s "American Morning" that point to his own political leanings. Co-host John Roberts, following-up on Toobin’s remark that he found himself "surprised" by this announcement, asked "Really? But surprised, but are you shocked? Toobin’s answer: "Well, not shocked. I mean, you know, this was a really preposterous attorney generalship at this point." Toobin also invoked the memory of John Mitchell, the attorney general under Nixon who was jailed due to Watergate, in his answer.
Later, when Roberts asked about the possibility of Michael Chertoff replacing Gonzales, Toobin mentioned some of Chertoff’s qualifications, including how he was law clerk to former Supreme Court Justice William Brennan, "the biggest liberal, probably, in the history in the court." Immediately after mentioning this detail, Toobin added, "So, he certainly has the resume you'd want." Toobin also offered some "balance" to this by mentioning that Chertoff was the Homeland Security Secretary during Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath.
The news of Gonzales’ resignation first broke during the 8 am hour of the "American Morning" broadcast. CNN regular Heidi Collins, who was filling-in for co-host Kiran Chetry, joined Roberts in the Toobin segment.
A full transcript of the segment, which came at the bottom of the 8 am hour of Monday’s American Morning:
JOHN ROBERTS: "Jeff Toobin, by the way, our senior legal analyst, who's down in Richmond, Virginia to cover the Michael Vick hearing today, joins us. Jeff, you and I had numerous conversations about this over the last few months. You always thought that he couldn't survive. Your thoughts this morning?"
JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SR. LEGAL ANALYST: "Well, you know, it's funny. I find myself surprised, even though he was widely reviled without supporters, as you say, except for the president, but the president seems completely steadfast, and there did not appear to be support for impeachment on Capitol Hill. So, my understanding, my thought was that he was simply going to ride it out. I guess it simply became untenable, and he recognized that without support, except from President Bush, he couldn't survive. But I guess now that it's happened, I do -- I feel surprised."
ROBERTS: "Really? But surprised, but are you shocked?"
TOOBIN: "Well, not shocked. I mean, you know, this was a really preposterous attorney generalship at this point. You really have to go back to John Mitchell, who was the attorney general under Richard Nixon, who wound up going to prison in the Watergate scandal, to find an attorney general who was as universally despised, or felt contempt for, than Alberto Gonzales. The real turning point was that hearing in April, before the Senate Judiciary Committee, where he had absolutely no clue why the eight U.S. attorneys were fired, why -- where all of the Republicans on the committee refused to come to his defense. That was the moment where he became a political pariah, and he's just been playing out the strings since then."
ROBERTS: "So, what about a replacement? What about this idea of Michael Chertoff? And what about the confirmation battle that could erupt in the Senate Judiciary Committee?"
TOOBIN: "Well, you know, I have to confess a certain bias about Michael Chertoff. In the summer of 1986, right after I graduated from law school, I was Michael Chertoff's intern in the U.S. attorney's office in Manhattan. And you know, I've known Mike for a very long time. He was a wonderful prosecutor. He did, perhaps, the most important Mafia case in the history of organized crime prosecutions, the Commission case in Manhattan. He then went on to be the U.S. attorney in New Jersey, Court of Appeals judge in the early part of the Bush term, then head of the criminal division. He certainly has the resume for the job. He was a law clerk to Justice William Brennan, the biggest liberal, probably, in the history of the court. So, he certainly has the resume you'd want. However, he, too, has become a figure of political controversy."
COLLINS: "Exactly."
TOOBIN: "Remember, Michael Chertoff was the head of Homeland Security during Katrina. He was Michael Brown's boss. So, he is going to be not..."
COLLINS: "Then you have to..."
TOOBIN: "I'm sorry. Go ahead."
COLLINS: "Go ahead. It just brings to mind the question of when you're getting on this point of some of his past history there, whether or not the Department of Justice, the people who work there, who go there every day, will be able to jump on board, and begin following this individual."
TOOBIN: "Well, I mean, you know, I think the people in the Justice Department are very anxious to be outside the realm of political controversy. They don't want to be at the center of this sort of -- and I think any new leader will certainly be given the benefit of the doubt, and someone of Chertoff's evident qualifications, despite his political controversies of the recent years, I think he probably would rally a lot of support there."
ROBERTS: "All right, Jeff Toobin for us outside of the courthouse in Richmond, Virginia."
—Matthew Balan is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.















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As opposed to...
August 27, 2007 - 12:32 ET by mattm...say, Janet Reno?
Give us a break...A.G. A.G. never burned down a privately owned residential facility, thus killing several U.S. citizens, nor did he send a Cuban exile back to slavery in Cuba...
CNN is preposterous...
...now if I were of Latin
August 27, 2007 - 12:39 ET by TruthMonger...now if I were of Latin descent, would this Liberal mob-lynching of Gonzalez warm my heart to vote DNC? Of course!!!
Not sure why...
Let's see what liberal andy rooney has to say. Something like they all look and sound alike to him, maybe?
Toobin might be biased, but you haven`t shown it
August 27, 2007 - 12:35 ET by TokyoTomWere the Republican Senators who publicly rebuked Gonzales also showing partisan bias? And are political commenters who notice this guilty of anything but paying attention to the obvious?
As to "the resume you want" quote, isn`t it also obvious that he meant that Chertoff, whose strong conservative credentials are not in doubt, should get easy confirmation given his prior clerkship for Brennan?
You`re really grasping at straws here to find a hint of bias.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool."
Richard Feynman
Fool Yourself
August 27, 2007 - 12:45 ET by mattm"...a really preposterous attorney generalship." This is not mere criticism, which is perfectly legitimate even when the person doesn't resign, this is derogatory, subjective and not based on any facts...therefore, voila! - BIAS
"Ignorance has a well-known Liberal bias." - Publius
And "no facts" supported the open hostility of Rep Senators
August 27, 2007 - 13:53 ET by TokyoTomeither, I suppose - certainly that had no direct experience of his duplicity, and there was nothing else that could have perturbed them. What a puzzle!
But in any case, it definitely showed bias for a broadcaster to be aware of the appalling relationship between Gonzales and the Rep Senators. So you must be right then.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool."
Richard Feynman
TT...The BIAS is obvious
August 27, 2007 - 14:40 ET by JayTeeWhen you consider the 192 US Attorney Generals FIRED by Wild Bill Clinton......without investigations by Congress.
What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ? David Foote GoE
...
August 27, 2007 - 17:09 ET by mattmDon't confuse the issue with facts....
To Libs, whatever their guys do in office is A-OK, but whatever the GOP does in office, is a crime (even if it's the same thing but to less of an extent) ... this is why Libby getting slapped for "confusing testimony" and Rove and Gonzales quitting is even worse than Web Hubbell's imprisonment, Vince Foster's mysterious death and William Kennedy's forced resignation - That's rationality for ya....
You forgot Harold Ickes,
August 27, 2007 - 23:31 ET by stratmanYou forgot Harold Ickes, Bill Clinton's Chief of Staff until Clinton fired him (due to scandal that might implicate Clinton in high crimes and misdemeanors). Ickes was also known as the Director of Sanitation because he ran damage control for the myriad of Clinton scandals. He was also infamous for his temper and vindictiveness.
While Karl Rove may have been called "Turd Blossom" by President Bush, Ickes was just called "Turd" by many both within and without the White House.
Killing them with kindness isn't working. Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.
The question is bias in this news interview
August 28, 2007 - 01:23 ET by TokyoTomYou might be absolutely correct that Dems or the media generally have being unfair to Gonzales, but that's not the point here.
Was it "bias" for Toobin to state the obvious - that "You really have to go back to John Mitchell, who was the attorney general under Richard Nixon, who wound up going to prison in the Watergate scandal, to find an attorney general who was as universally despised, or felt contempt for, than Alberto Gonzales"?
Perhaps the "univerally" was overreach, but he certainly was despised by the Republicans in the Senate.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool."
Richard Feynman
Being Despised by anyone in the Senate....is
August 28, 2007 - 07:43 ET by JayTeeBeing Despised by anyone in the Senate....is a Compliment !!
Some more than others......It's GDS to go along with BDS.
What are the Dems gonna say, when they don't have Bush to kick around anymore....nothing comes to mind.
What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ? David Foote GoE
TT
August 27, 2007 - 14:06 ET by Six String SpiffThe only thing perposterous about A.G. is the fact that he didn't slap the dems and MSM in the face with the LAW. He is free to fire/hire whoever he wants under the Constitution. As soon as he started to give the Dems reasons for firing, he got strung up. the dems know damn well he did nothing wrong. Just yet another political witch hunt that GWB refuses to do anythign about. IF AG was that spineless, I'm glad his pansy but is gone.
BTW Are you a reporter, or any kind of MSM associate? Your style of ...err posting seems to be constantly against the opinion of NB. Whats the deal?
The American Revolution Continued
"the dems know damn well he did nothing wrong"
August 27, 2007 - 15:21 ET by TelemarkTumaloSure he didn't. Most politicians succumb to false accusations and political pressure when they have done nothing wrong. Isn't this the same argument made by Haldeman and Nixon? Good riddance Mr. Gonazles. Maybe the heat in the kitchen was a bit too much or you just didn't have the cajones for the job. Either way, it looks as if the Bush cabinet has just about been cleaned out. Now, if only Rice would jump ship with the other rats, Bush and Cheney would be left alone with the other 10 right wing sycophants in the US (all of whom post on this site) who still feel that they can do no wrong. Is it possible that these guys will even make it until the '08 election? The wheels are falling off fast.
Tumalo
August 28, 2007 - 07:43 ET by Six String SpiffIt's called doing something for the good of the country. You stupid sons of bitches are the ones who don't get it. You sons of bitches are the ones who have to 'investigate' EVERYTHING the Bush administration does, because you had elections 'stolen' from you. You are the whiniest bunch of pansies around. If something doesn't go your way, you throw a fit. You were lied to. You were misleaded. You want a recount. You couldn't get you message out. Your civil liberties aer being trampled. Your FOS is being cut off. It's not fair. It racism. It's sexism. It's xenophobic. It's homophobic. It's ethnic genocide. Did I miss any of your whiney ass complaints? I am sick and tired of you dumb bastards who don't know a damn thing about your own country's power system works.
Whine Bitch Moan repeat
The American Revolution Continued
"He is free to fire/hire
August 27, 2007 - 15:40 ET by"He is free to fire/hire whoever he wants under the Constitution"
You guys still don't get it do you? It wasn't the firing of the attorneys, it was the lying about the firing.
Blasthead......nope, still don't "get it"
August 27, 2007 - 16:03 ET by JayTeeWhat was Gonzales convicted of ?
Scooter was "convicted" of lying, Clinton was impeached for lying, I'm still trying to "Get" what Gonzales was "convicted of"....
enlighten me.....
What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ? David Foote GoE
Consider yourself
August 27, 2007 - 16:16 ET byConsider yourself enlightened, but only if you choose to be.
From the Atlanta Journal-Constitution:
"Let's start with the relatively minor. In his statement to Congress, Gonzales acknowledges it would be wrong to remove prosecutors for political reasons. It is so wrong, he tells Congress, that he would never, ever do such a terrible thing.
And yet he did.
Since that statement, the evidence has become overwhelming that some if not most of the attorneys were ousted for political reasons, with considerable input from the White House. One of the eight, for example, was removed as U.S. attorney in Arkansas despite glowing performance reviews. Why? So an aide to White House political adviser Karl Rove could get the job.
Now, that's not a huge scandal. Such decisions, even if made on a political basis, are clearly within a president's perogative. They do bring into question the judgment of those who would treat one of the most important jobs in federal law enforcement like a mere political plum, but they do not explain why this scandal threatens the careers and reputations of some of the most powerful people in Washington.
To understand that, you have to step to the next level: By denying any political motive or involvement by the White House, Gonzales and other Bush officials lied to the U.S. Senate. That has angered politicians of both parties, leading at least two Republican senators to demand Gonzales' resignation. It's almost funny — a Congress that has allowed itself to be lied to, stonewalled, ignored and ridiculed by the administration for six years over issues fundamental to government finally gets upset at how it's treated, and it's over something like this.
The third level of this scandal is by far the most troubling and explosive, and also the least understood. It goes to how and why those eight prosecutors were selected for replacement despite the fact that most of them were Bush appointees who had conducted themselves well as U.S. attorneys.
John McKay, a well respected Republican lawyer ousted as U.S. attorney in Seattle, says he may have been tagged for removal because he fended off unethical demands from Republican leaders to pursue charges of vote fraud against Washington Democrats, even though those charges were groundless.
"There was no evidence, and I am not going to drag innocent people in front of a grand jury,'' says McKay, who suggests a special prosecutor may be needed to determine the full extent of this scandal.
David Iglesias, the equally well respected Republican ousted as U.S. attorney in New Mexico, believes that he, too, was removed because he ignored pressure from fellow Republicans to indict Democrats just before the 2006 elections. Iglesias has told Congress he felt pressured by phone calls from a U.S. senator and congresswoman; barely a week after the election, his name was added to an internal list of attorneys to be removed.
The most troubling case may be that of Carol Lam, a U.S. attorney from San Diego who put Duke Cunningham, a Republican congressman from California, in federal prison on corruption charges. On the day the Los Angeles Times reported that Lam was also investigating U.S. Rep. Jerry Lewis of California, the powerful head of the House Appropriations Committee, a top Justice Department official sent an internal e-mail to the White House, complaining about "the real problem we have right now with Carol Lam," suggesting a replacement be found quickly."
...
August 27, 2007 - 17:11 ET by mattmThat's all B.S.
The Atlanta Urinal and Constipation is a DNC rag.
The Atlanta Urinal and
August 27, 2007 - 20:11 ET byThe Atlanta Urinal and Constipation is a DNC rag.
You obviously know nothing about politics or journalism.
Blaster
August 27, 2007 - 20:15 ET by BlondeWhen you say something like this:
You obviously know nothing about politics or journalism.
You are supposed to say why, and give cogent reasons and supporting arguments.
The burden is on you, here, as a new poster.
Do you see how this works?
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
The burden is on
August 27, 2007 - 21:24 ET byThe burden is on you
Why bother? You read my post from the AJC and hopefully something clicked--maybe not, but when someone just say's that's "bs" why should the burden be on me to explain something I've already laid out for mental absorption?
If he wants to research the political leanings of any particular paper, let him, I already know what they are and I know he's wrong. I've wasted enough time with posters here who don't back up their positions with any sembelence of fact.
I would say, if he wants to call the AJC a "DNC rag" the burden is on him to back that up, not me.
Keep Editing, Blaster
August 27, 2007 - 21:27 ET by BlondeYou may eventually come around to the right conclusion.
I doubt it...but keep digging.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Hey Blonde- There is no
August 27, 2007 - 21:45 ET byHey Blonde-
There is no right conclusion. It's your guys who are spitting on the founders graves, resigning left and right, getting busted in gay sex stings and all the while preaching morality and abstinence. Your people are going over a cliff and you're perfectly willing to go with them. I think you're the one who needs to do the digging.
Blaster
August 27, 2007 - 21:55 ET by BlondeWith that statement I shall dismiss you from class.
You come to a conservative blog and throw around words like "Your people".
Bugger off.
If you are incapable of debate without tossing out invectives like that...you're not worthy of one more second of my time.
Trust me when I tell you this, when I go off the cliff, I shall take all of you pitiful liberals with me. I, and my fellow conservatives, do all of the thinking, and all of the heavy lifting, income wise. So that you and your fellow libs can be children in the nanny state. Sucking the life out of those who produce. So enjoy the ride over the cliff, Blaster.
None of you pathetic liberals could string together a cogent thought if your life depended on it. All you have to sustain you are the Huff Po talking points.
You've failed, yet miserably again.
Ta ta....and enjoy the ride.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
So much pain!
August 27, 2007 - 22:16 ET by TelemarkTumaloHi Blonde,
It appears that you are having a bad day. Not only does your favorite Prez lose another one of his faithful lieutenants to the mean old press, you are reduced to a battle of wits with the likes of a certain Blaster, who has cleaned your clock multiple times today, and seen you taking your ball and going home. Dinner must be ready, so I'd scurry home to mom's apron for a hug.
BTW... this site is open to all of us open minded types who can hold our own, even in unfriendly waters. If you are looking for an easier conversation, why not talk to your cats?
Hardly,
August 27, 2007 - 22:23 ET by BlondeA little diatribe from you just caps it. For those little dumbass libs like you...that means I find it to be kind of humerous.
You liberals are so delusional you can't pick out the difference between DKOS talking points and actual conversation.
Care to have a real conversation?
Bueller?
BTW, my cats make a hell of a lot more sense than you do.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
telemarktumalo
August 27, 2007 - 22:25 ET by shawn228That is not very nice telemarkTumalo. How exactly did Blaster clean Blondes clock?
He didn't Shawn
August 27, 2007 - 22:28 ET by BlondeNo worries, friend.
TT's just another one of the little weenie eurotrash trolls trying to provoke me.
I find it to be supremely funny, actually. Don't you?
See...it's taking him (or it) fifteen minutes to try to figure out how to reply....the "Bueller" thing just totally threw it off it's trollish stride.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
blonde
August 27, 2007 - 22:37 ET by shawn228At least other .........ahhh okay , I will say it ""trolls" respond fairly quickly. At least I try to:-) Seems to be lots of drive bys lately. Frustrating waiting for the oh so witty response.
OK Shawn,
August 27, 2007 - 22:39 ET by BlondeYou do understand the importance of your last statement, yes?
"Drive bys". That means you are a full tilt member here. Annoyed by the drive-by lib trolls.....hmmm.....does that make you CONSERVATIVE?
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
oblio
August 27, 2007 - 22:45 ET by shawn228Lol, no quite yet B, but I do see the loonyness of some of the leftist posters here. At least Blaster reponds quicker than Monty. Speaking of......I have not seen him in ages.
Banned
August 27, 2007 - 22:46 ET by BlondeLOL...Shawn.
I saw that "Oblio"....& just had to click on it!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Hater is back again
August 27, 2007 - 22:37 ET by Free StinkerHater is back again already?
Free
August 27, 2007 - 22:41 ET by BlondeEither one of these two beginners doesn't even begin to approach the, um, trollishness of Hater.
Just saying.
But, they're the only trolls we have here tonite, I suppose.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
What class? You're hardly
August 27, 2007 - 22:38 ET byWhat class? You're hardly a teacher. The style of debate I see here is like watching spoiled, underachieving teenagers argue with their parents.
If you don't you have more than seven digits in the bank, don't talk to me about income. I probably pay more in taxes than you, and I'm tired of seeing it going to spill brave Americans blood in the sand.
Blaster
August 27, 2007 - 22:42 ET by BlondeYou've been dismissed.
Leave.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Got rich collecting Tolls
August 27, 2007 - 22:42 ET by Free StinkerGot rich collecting Tolls at your bridge there Mr. Troll?
Fred Thompson and Ann Coulter walk into a bar. The bar is instantly destroyed because that much awesome cannot be contained in one building.
I'll bite
August 27, 2007 - 22:48 ET by shawn228I probably pay more in taxes than you, and I'm tired of seeing it going to spill brave Americans blood in the sand.
Blaster, I will not flame you if you do not do it to me first. What do you suggest we do to prevent spilling American blood in the sand?
"What do you suggest we
August 27, 2007 - 23:24 ET by"What do you suggest we do to prevent spilling American blood in the sand?"
Don't get involved in wars we can't win. We had no business going into Iraq. The hijackers were Saudis who trained in Afghanistan and were funded by the UAE. Those are facts. Why didn't we ever track down who bought all the put options on the airline stocks? Why haven't we caputured bin Laden? Why is Bush hell bent on attacking Iran? The leadership of this country is abyssmal and it's evident by all the rats jumping ship.
blaster
August 27, 2007 - 23:35 ET by shawn228We are in Iraq now and we cannot turn back time. Hate to use a cliche' but "failure is not an option" If we pulled out now, Iraq will be a haven for terrorist and it seems "the surge' is working. Do you think we should pull our troops?
You have to explain to me about the airplane stocks, I have no idea what you mean. Bin Laden is probably in remote hills between Afghanistan and capturing him is not as easy thing. Bill Clinton will agree with that. I don't know why you think Bush is hell bent on attacking Iran, but the thought to them having nukes is a frightening thought yes?
Lastly I will not disagree with you about the lame duck thing.
Look--the Middle East,
August 27, 2007 - 23:46 ET byLook--the Middle East, Saudi Arabi included is already and will always be a haven for terrorists. We can't turn over ever rock, we're already going broke as it is and China is holding our debt for this war which isn't a good thing.
If you don't understand put options google "put options on American Airlines".
blaster
August 27, 2007 - 23:55 ET by shawn228I will let you know my opinon about the airlines another day, I honestly do not know enough about it to debate
We already spend so much money on Iraq, that is exactly the reason we cannot pull out. It will be all for naught. I truly believe the surge is working and we are making serious progress. It is hard watching American soldiers die on tv everynight, but pulling out will have disastrious consequences.
Gee Blaster
August 27, 2007 - 22:55 ET by BlondeYou have a familiar whiff of another troll I've seen here, numerous times before. Just another booted fool who can't quite stay away.
Now that I think about it.
Bawahahahahhaha.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
blaster
August 27, 2007 - 23:10 ET by shawn228Ok blaster it has been over 15minutes since I have asked my question. I understand why folks get frustrated by people like you. You love to criticize the current administration, but offer no ideas on how to make things better.
If you get around to answering my first question, can you also tell me what "the most ethical congress in history" has done to improve the troops standard of life in Iraq. Have they got them the improved body armor they need? The ied proof humvees? Have they really done anything except for these endless investigations that have done this country any good?
The bigger question would
August 27, 2007 - 23:37 ET byThe bigger question would be--why weren't the troops funded in the first place by the 109th congress. The democrats did continue to fund the war. That was last March. Here's some reading for you.
http://democrats.senate.gov/dpc/dpc-new.cfm?doc_name=fs-108-2-72
blaster
August 27, 2007 - 23:43 ET by shawn228I am not the biggest fan of this administration blaster, but don't answer a question with a question. I voted for the democrats last November because I honestly thought they would follow through and make life better for the troops, but all they want to do is please the liberal followers and withdraw from Iraq and endless investigations.
Again what good has has the Democratic controlled congress done that is benefit to our country?
Democrats voted to increase
August 27, 2007 - 23:49 ET byDemocrats also strongly supported an amendment to the Fiscal Year 2003 Supplemental Appropriations bill, offered by Senator Landrieu, that would have appropriated $1.047 billion for National Guard and Reserve procurement. Despite the fact that National Guard and Reserve troops serving in Iraq are the most likely to lack appropriate body armor, Republicans tabled this amendment on April 2, 2003, in a 52-47 vote (Vote No. 116). Finally, during the course of last year's appropriations process, Senator Leahy successfully worked with his colleagues on the Appropriations Committee to add $220 million to the National Guard and Reserve discretionary equipment account.
Health Care
An October 16, 2003 Statement of Administration Policy asserted that "The Administration strongly opposes...an amendment that was accepted by the Senate to provide for expanded benefits under the TRICARE program." Finally, OMB Director Bolton wrote, on October 21, 2003, that "The Administration strongly opposes...the provision that would expand benefits under the TRICARE program."
MOAA further argues that "it's disgraceful that Pentagon leadership is slow-rolling implementation of the new statutory requirement to provide fee-based TRICARE coverage for Selected Reserve members who have no health coverage through a civilian employer....It's time for Pentagon leaders to stop dragging their feet, start supporting the troops, and get busy delivering this much-needed coverage."
Combat Pay
blaster
August 27, 2007 - 23:58 ET by shawn228Very impressive post, but again what good has the Democratic controlled congress done. All your points are 03-04. I believe they took over in 2006 didn't they?
blaster
August 28, 2007 - 00:10 ET by shawn228Its been about 12 minutes blaster, hope to see your response in the morning , but I am off to bed...good night.
I hate to be rude, but with
August 28, 2007 - 00:42 ET byI hate to be rude, but with a few clicks you can find that out if you really want to know. I can copy and paste all night long, but it might have more meaning if you researched it yourself.
I hate to do your homework for you but here's a link that might help
http://democrats.senate.gov/dpc/dpc-new.cfm?doc_name=sr-110-1-119
blaster
August 28, 2007 - 08:53 ET by shawn228lol......the source of the link you gave me is a little biased yes? IMO in 08 the Democrats are going to have to show independents like me, why I should vote for them.
Right now I admit I am still more of a Liberal than a conservative, but the democrats are proving to more everyday how loony their ideas can be.
Your right, we are 9 trillion in debt, that is not a good thing, but I do not believe extending healthcare and giving millions of illegal immigrants, citizenship is the answer do you?
Tell me if anything posted
August 28, 2007 - 10:57 ET byTell me if anything posted there is not true.
blaster
August 28, 2007 - 21:52 ET by shawn228I believe there are parts of your link that are grossly exagerrated and twisting of the truth. However I will not argue with you. If you click on my profile, you will see I actually prefer liberals to gop for the present momont. Let me tell you my beef with the Dems not including the wanting to cut and run from Iraq.
Why give drivers licenses and free health care to illegal immigrants? Grant illegals citizenship? How much will this cost our country? Liberals are always preaching about tolerence, but yet they want affirmitive action which is the most racist program ever. They also believe it is okay to coddle terrorist and think it is better to have tea and crackers with them. What is wrong with using a warrentless surveilance program. If they decide to use that surveilance to bust people for buying weed, or underage drinking. Then I would have a problem. If it is strictly used for catching terrorist, I have no probem it.
Blaster
August 28, 2007 - 07:47 ET by Six String SpiffHey STUPID
"Since that statement, the evidence has become overwhelming that some if not most of the attorneys were ousted for political reasons, with considerable input from the White House."
WELL DUH!!
Why else did Clinton do the exact same thing? Do you think he didn't liked the way the dressed? WAKE UP YOU MORON
Yes I insulted you . I don't care. Go bitch about it somewhere else. When you post retarded sh*t like that you deserve to be insulted.
The American Revolution Continued
To anyone who reads this...
August 28, 2007 - 08:58 ET byThis is a typical NB poster response. Doesn't bother to read previous posts and doesn't understand what when on with the fired attorney's case because he's either too lazy to read and comprehend or just too stupid to know what the debate is about.
Attorney's can be fired. It generally takes place at the turnover of an adminstration as in what Clinton did and Bush, Reagan, Carter, etc. The point is, when the AG's office was questioned about it, they lied and said it was performance related. That is essentially the entire matter. You can't fire someone and then lie about it to the press. You can't have the nation's top lawmaker lying to committees who are questioning your actions.
Hey Dumblas .... enlighten me (again) what was the crime and
August 28, 2007 - 09:48 ET by JayTeeWhat was the crime and how was the punishment carried out for Gonzales ? ? ? Was it a Fine, is he currently in Jail ? ?
When was his COURT appearance ?
That's the Debate...that is what it is/was about......WHY did they go after Gonzales.....and WHY did NOTHING happen ?
I saw the committee hearings....the questions were Pitiful, the committee was a lynch mob with no rope or reason, and nobody was convicted of anything........least of all, lying.
The committee WAS responsible for One thing....they lowered the Approval rating of congress another 10 points or so.
What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ? David Foote GoE
WHY did NOTHING happen
August 28, 2007 - 12:01 ET byWHY did NOTHING happen ?
It's not over yet. Congress recesses in August.
FYI--Gonzales' approval ratings--8%.
higher than
August 28, 2007 - 12:07 ET by TruthMongerhigher than congress:)
any resignations there yet?
Are you talking about Larry
August 28, 2007 - 12:56 ET byAre you talking about Larry Craig the republican senator busted trolling for gay sex, or the resignations of Mark Foley and Tom Delay?
blaster...what about Tom Delay
August 29, 2007 - 08:14 ET by LionKingTypical troll.
What was Craig actually charged with? Do you know?
What was tom Delay guilty of? Why did the Democratic prosecutor Ronnie Earle have to convene 3 grand juries before he could finally indict Tom Delay? Where does that case stand now? Do you know?
Blaster the Troll, do you operate in facts or merely MSM liberal talking points?
"FYI--Gonzales' approval
August 28, 2007 - 14:11 ET by MightyMouth"FYI--Gonzales' approval ratings--8%."
So frigin what? If you ask most people on the street who the Attorney General is they wouldn't have a clue. Hell 1/3 of kids in public school can't find the US on a world map.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Attorney's can be
August 28, 2007 - 10:09 ET by Jack BauerIs that in the Constitution? Generally?
Blaster....
August 29, 2007 - 08:08 ET by Six String SpiffWhat part of "They can fire/hire whoever they want under Constitutional law" dont you understand? Gonzalez doesn't need to provide any reason at all. He can fire them if he doesn't like the TV shows they watch. It's unfortunate that the whiney little dems are the ones layered with lawyers who will attempt to prosecute somebody over FOS. You do not have a right to not be offended. You do not have a right to a job. You do not have a right to a house. Those are ALL privileges. If you get canned from a job, and your next employer calls them after you said you 'left', what is you previous employer allowed to say? Nothing. He can't say a damn thing because people have sued for just such things. Now, you tell me why it is that AG need to give the PRESS (The arrogant sharks that they are) any reason at all? You need to understand your own country and seperation of power before you come on here looking stupid... again.
The American Revolution Continued
The AJC opinion piece is
August 28, 2007 - 01:58 ET by stratmanThe AJC opinion piece is heavy on the finger wagging and innuendo and light on facts.
1) If Gonzales said in so many words "it would be wrong to remove prosecutors for political reasons" and then he is found to have violated that statement, then he is behaving foolish. US Attorney's (US_A's) serve at the pleasure of the president and may be removed by the president at his desire. Every president I can recall in recent history has made wholescale removels/firings of US_A's. Don't say things that are contrary to legal actions and precident.
2) "One of the eight, for example, was removed as U.S. attorney in Arkansas despite glowing performance reviews. Why? So an aide to White House political adviser Karl Rove could get the job."
So what. Did work still get done? Yes. The US_A replacement was legal and backed by precedent. Would you care to bet money that none of Clinton's US_A appointments were for political capital?
3) "Now, that's not a huge scandal. Such decisions, even if made on a political basis, are clearly within a president's perogative."
And that is where all this political grandstanding should have begun and ended. But the bloodlust is not yet requited...
4) "They do bring into question the judgment of those who would treat one of the most important jobs in federal law enforcement like a mere political plum..."
Do you remember any questioning of Clinton's removal of all but one US_A? I don't either. The US_A jobs are political plum jobs! Anyone that says differently is either an idiot or an agitprop. You can decide which fits the authour of this AJC "hit job".
5) "By denying any political motive or involvement by the White House, Gonzales and other Bush officials lied to the U.S. Senate."
The AJC may be correct here. In Washington, or any political arena, all actions/behaviours are seen as political in nature. As long as there is no tampering, or other illegal behaviour, firing or replacing an US_A when their term expires is legal, even if it is for political reasons. So why even say otherwise. Say it out loud, you fired them and you're proud... of American jurisprudence.
6) "... a Congress that has allowed itself to be lied to, stonewalled, ignored and ridiculed by the administration for six years over issues fundamental to government..."
Pure, adulterated Liberal muckraking opinion. The President and Conservatives can say the exact same things about Congress and Liberals. There was not one high crime or misdemeanor committed by Bush, and there was nothing actionable on Gonzales either. If their was, Congress/Senate would have pounced long ago. Keep living the lie.
7) "... those eight prosecutors were selected for replacement despite the fact that most of them were Bush appointees who had conducted themselves well as U.S. attorneys."
Where is it a law or even precedent that a president can not remove any US_A that is of the same political party? And not all the eight US_A were performing well. This is puffery.
8) "John McKay, a well respected Republican lawyer ousted as U.S. attorney in Seattle, says he may have been tagged for removal because he fended off unethical demands from Republican leaders to pursue charges of vote fraud against Washington Democrats, even though those charges were groundless."
There was at least as much a question of fraud in the state of Washington as there was in (Cleveland) Ohio or (Broward County) Florida, both places that had a great deal of media coverage. Wait a minute! That's right. There wasn't any fraud systematically aimed at Democrat voters in those places as determined by exhaustive investigations. Just unsubstantiated Liberal publicity stunts.
9) "There was no evidence, and I am not going to drag innocent people in front of a grand jury,'' says McKay, who suggests a special prosecutor may be needed to determine the full extent of this scandal."
Someone forgot to give that memo to Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald who knew the non-leaking "leaker" of non-covert CIA agent Valerie Plame before calling people in front of the grand jury. I don't know specifics about McKay's case, but I do find it revealing that the AJC chose this quote. Opportunistic hypocrites.
10) David Iglesias has been discussed ad nauseum in this forum. His ethnicity, telegenic good looks and Bush and Bush Co. bashing proclivities make him the posterboy of the moment for the Liberal elite. He will be tossed aside when his utility is spent, leaving him to grouse how he got screwed by both parties. Maybe he can join Cindy Sheehan and go live in a van down by the river.
11) "The most troubling case may be that of Carol Lam..."
More political puffery, manipulation and agitprop. The President can push an agenda with the US_A's office. Bush wanted more focus on illegal immigration. Several of the replaced US_A were not on board to the satisfaction of the administration. Lam was one such weak responder. She had difficulties with superiors months before the out-of-context quotes from emails found in the AJC opinion piece. See here for the oft referred to but usually not fully quoted emails. What is clear from the emails is that Lam had been on the DNR list for a while. In fact, her replacement was considered going back at least to January 2006. The emails surrounding and including the partial quote from AJC clearly point out that Lam was considered for replacement when her term expired (not fired) and that a long standing issue was her inattention to illegal immigration. Lam had earlier decided to get into a public pissing contest with Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif. over immigration prosecutions despite telling Associate Deputy Attorney General Ronald Tenpas that she was "sitting quiet rather than attempting to respond publicly by explaining the resource limitations." Then that same day she fires off a press release to rebutt Issa without discussing it with superiors. That's the kind of two-faced maneuvering that will get you into hot water with your boss. There is more to the Lam story, how she butted heads with a variety of officials, which clearly delineates a pattern which lead to her replacement. And the cases she was working on continued -- no case deemed a political "hot potato" by the Left was dropped or buried in some sort of meniacal Right-Wing conspiracy against truth, justice and the American way.
The AJC obfuscated these pertinent facts when promoting their propaganda since it was not in line with their agenda of humiliating Bush and his administration get a Democrat elected to the presidency.
Try not to use opinion pieces as factual content. It's so... disingenuous.
Your turn, blaster.
Killing them with kindness isn't working. Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.
"Bush wanted more focus on
August 28, 2007 - 11:07 ET by"Bush wanted more focus on illegal immigration."
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/lam-commendation/?resultpage=1&
You can do better than that, can't you?
August 28, 2007 - 14:05 ET by stratmanProsecutions lagged in Lam's US_A office.