MSNBC's 'The Cycle' Spins Mandatory Voting As Good For America
The day before the Supreme Court ruled ObamaCare's individual mandate constitutional -- as a tax, not as an exercise of the commerce clause -- the mostly-liberal panel at the brand-new 3 p.m. program The Cycle explored the question of what, in the view of the panelists, that government should consider making Americans do against their will.
For her part, panelist Krystal Ball insisted that America should be more like Australia, which forces its citizens to vote in it federal elections or else to pay a fine. Unsurprisingly, Ball's fellow liberal panelists Toure Neblett, and Steve Kornacki were sympathetic to the proposal, with only conservative panelist S.E. Cupp denouncing it as antithetical to the notion of political liberty.
Ball, who unsuccessfully ran for Congress in 2010 in a safely Republican district, stated that such a measure would mitigate the influence of money in politics and lead to a more "representative democracy." Furthermore, Ball stated that the absence of money in our elections would decrease grassroots operations aimed at suppressing the vote.
Salon.com's Steve Kornacki agreed stating that it will lessen the nasty side of campaigning which seeks to turn out voters who are favorable to your side while discouraging voters favorable to your opponent. Toure, the inimitable 9/11 truther, also agreed and said that Election Day should be a national holiday and that voter registration should be mandatory as well.
Cupp was the only voice of reason stating that apathy isn't nor should be a crime. Conservative columnist Jonah Goldberg agreed. In response to former Obama budget director Peter Orszag, who holds the same position, Goldberg wrote in the National Review on June 27 that:
One of the chief benefits of coerced voting, according to Orszag, is that it increases participation. Well, yes, and kidnapping drunks in pubs increased the ranks of the British navy, but it didn’t turn the conscripted sailors into patriots.
There was also an inane notion that a lottery and cash prize for people to incentivize them to vote was a free market initiative.
Goldberg slams this and the utopian mindset that this mandatory voter participation would create a more "representative democracy." In fact, as Goldberg states, "... fining people, say $15, if they don’t vote and using the proceeds to set up a lottery to bribe reluctant voters. If the old line that lotteries are taxes on stupid people is correct, then the upshot of this proposal is that the cure to what ails democracy is an influx of large numbers of stupid voters."
Sorry Krystal, but incentivizing people to vote with the carrot of a lottery and the stick of a fine doesn't make it a free-market initiative, because free markets by definition are marked by freely-contracted exchange, not government coercion and subsidy.
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Was her name Krystal Ball or
Submitted by Kubrickfilmfan73 on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 10:30am.
Was her name Krystal Ball or Krystal Meth--and how on earth did the other panelists keep a straight face?
Compulsory voting = Less money in politics?
Submitted by Galvanic on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 10:32am.
Fat chance.
We've heard all this kind of false promise before. Federal matching funds was supposed to reduce the need to raise campaign money; the result? -- the total money spent in each Presidential election has risen each cycle.
Ball's recommendation has only one objective: Get out the vote of poor Americans who can't afford to pay a $50 fine. Ball assumes that they will always vote for Big Government and thus make it more difficult for conservatives to win elections.
Of couse, as we know, the growth of Big Government and the welfare state doesn't empower the poor to move upwardly; rather, it locks thems into permanent, hopeless poverty. Such was the unintended but actual byproduct of LBJ's Great Society.
Curse the effect, but nourish the cause
Submitted by thestalkinghorse on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 10:28pm.
Couldn't agree with you more. Until the day when we reduce the size and intrusiveness of the government, big money will continue to be spent to win a chance to influence people's lives.
What will they mandate us to do next?
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 10:53am.
Everyone enjoying the ride down the slippery slope?
Well....look at today and appreciate it. Because a couple of years from now, as you are on your way to mandatory exercise class, driving your Volt if you're lucky, or on your own two feet if you're not, you'll remember yesterday and know this is when we lost our liberty.
Who is "the government" to mandate us to "do" anything?
The left is going to try to "modify" our behavior via taxes. Mark the day on your calendars. It WILL happen.
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our only option is a
Submitted by MrSnuggles on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 11:09am.
our only option is a constitutional amendment limiting the taxing ability of the feds and specifying what the commerce clause means so that gross expansions of federal power cannot happen like this.
Let's Do It !
Submitted by Free Stinker on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 11:17am.
Start posting that idea everywhere. Bring it up to your local Tea Party group. Call your Congressman and tell them to introduce this amendment for a vote in Congress and get ready for a State by State fight to approve it!
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It's done, Snuggles
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 11:19am.
Pandora's box is open.
I don't think we will ever recover from this.
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That's exactly what I called it
Submitted by jon_torlin on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 11:51am.
I was speaking with a co-worker this morning and that was the term I used for this thing.
Pandora's box, genie's out the bottle, whatever, it's bad all around.
-Jon
J and jon,
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 9:13pm.
I agree.
We're screwed, and royally so.
I don't think most people realize that the federal government can now do pretty much anything it damn well pleases, and we are essentially powerless to stop them.
-Dave
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I think the only way to recover from this
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 9:41pm.
will be to water the tree of liberty. I hope and pray there are enough Americans left who don't want freebies to do just that.
What is the left's new obsession with compulsion?
Submitted by JeffC... on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 11:27am.
And where the hell is the ACLU on all this? Wait--that's right. Once communists, always communists.
I'm not aware of one MSMer noting the new "tax for inaction" power found in the Constitution. That scares the hell out of me and it should scare everybody. They just don't care what it took for them to get what they wanted.
The TEA in "TEA Party" stands for "Taxed Enough Already." The Supreme Court just declared ObamaCare to be a tax. They're delusional if they think the TEA Party is over and will go away. It's bad enough that they were taught the history of the American Revolution by a bunch of leftist morons, but they also can't even remember what happened on Election Day two years ago?
My thought is
Submitted by misterbee241 on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 11:30am.
the government is too heavy handed telling us what to do already. We dont need something else or another law to break.
Should be more concerned with
Submitted by redfish on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 12:06pm.
Should be more concerned with getting people to inform themselves on issues than getting people to vote...
Well, at least
Submitted by bbboss on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 12:56pm.
Well, at least these voters would be alive......the neo-Dems seem to have a history of their voters from cemetaries.
First
Submitted by HardRightTurn on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 1:02pm.
Let's try requiring all members of congress to cast their vote on every issue, including contempt of congress votes they don't like. 'Til then, don't even bother talking such nonsense.
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Here's a novel idea...
Submitted by bigdaddy on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 4:16pm.
...How about one vote per each and every registered voter???
I can see the Newsweek cover
Submitted by RR GOP on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 6:54pm.
I can see the Newsweek cover after Obambi gets re-elected: We're all Australians now.
Australia is also pretty far into implementing the carbon credit scam as well.
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Dr. Evil
Submitted by Jimbo on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 6:59pm.
I have this vision of Obama wringing his hands in the oval office like Dr. Evil..... thinking of all the things he can do in his second term with his new powers of taxation.
Why not have mandatory voting?
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 8:41pm.
Hell, John Roberts just managed to nullify the Constitution, effectively turning us into a fledgling banana republic practically overnight.
May as well go all the way now.
-Dave
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