CNN Asks If Catholic Church Is Waging 'War on Women'
CNN is friendly to Christianity -- as long as the priests, ministers and religious play into the network's liberal agenda. If Christian guests stand up for traditional marriage, however, they can expect a much colder welcome if they even make it on air.
So it was no surprise that CNN has been promoting a dissenting nun's struggle with the Vatican, and making clear that it is siding with wayward American nuns after the Catholic Church has announced a reform of the Leadership Council of Women Religious (LCWR). Anchor Christine Romans tossed softball after softball to liberal Sister Maureen Fiedler on Tuesday's Starting Point, and mocked the Vatican's criticism of the LCWR.
"Let me ask you, women can't be priests. Women – if you follow church teaching, can't use contraception," Romans stated before noting the irony of the prominence of statues of Mary in Catholic churches. "[W]omen in the church when you look at some of the teachings, is there a war on woman within your church?" she asked Fiedler. [Video below the break. Audio here.]
The CNN anchor displayed her obvious ignorance of Catholicism with the question, and dragged the Vatican's announced reform of the LCWR into the debate. "You add on top of that what's happening with nuns in the U.S., it's a good question," she said of the supposed "war on women."
Of course, that only obliged Sister Fiedler to give her liberal spin on church teaching. Fiedler is a public radio host of the show "Interfaith Voices," and has publicly dissented from church teaching on abortion, female ordination, and condom use.
Fiedler has also made clear where her political sympathies lie by ripping Wisconsin bishops for not siding with the unions against Governor Scott Walker. In the past, she has cheered the Occupy protests, railed against the Ryan budget, and clamored for single-payer healthcare, among other liberal causes.
CNN was only too happy to give her a warm welcome. Romans began the interview with a sarcastic rip against the Vatican's criticism of "radical feminism" within the LCWR. "So, I'm just curious, are you a feminist or radical feminist? And why exactly is this such a big bone of contention with Rome?" she asked Fiedler before laughing.
A transcript of the segment, which aired on June 12 on Starting Point at 7:15 a.m. EDT, is as follows:
CHRISTINE ROMANS: Welcome back to Starting Point. Catholic nuns are going straight to the top today to address these claims that they have strayed from church doctrine. Members from the Leadership Conference of Women Religious will meet with Vatican officials. A report from a church watchdog accuses the group, which represents about 80 percent of Catholic nuns in the United States, of, quote, "radical feminism," and also says they are too silent on issues like abortion and same-sex marriage.
But the nuns say officials are focusing too much on what they don't do instead of the good they do perform. Sister Maureen Fiedler is host of the public radio program "Interfaith Voices." Welcome to the program this morning.
SISTER MAUREEN FIEDLER, host, "Interfaith Voices": Thank you, Christine, it's good to be here.
ROMANS: So, I'm just curious, are you a feminist or radical feminist? And why exactly is this such a big bone of contention with Rome?
FIEDLER: Well, radical feminist is in the eye of the beholder, I think. I certainly am a feminist, and proudly so. And feminism, properly defined, means a belief in the fundamental equality of women and men. And even the documents of the Second Vatican Council affirm this when they say every type of discrimination based on sex is to be overcome and eradicated as contrary to God's intent. And furthermore that was the example of Jesus in the gospels. So I'm not quite sure what they mean when they say "radical feminism."
ROMANS: Tell me a little bit about what you're hoping to achieve and what your group is hoping to achieve when you talk to the Vatican and you move forward here. Because clearly there is a very big difference of opinion between the nuns in the U.S., your group, and Rome.
FIEDLER: Well, that's true. I want to hasten to add, I'm not a member of the leadership conference. And those are the women, the president and executive director who are meeting with various officials at the Vatican today. However, every nun in the United States is attuned to what's going on there. And I think they are concerned that the assessment they received, which was sprung on them unexpectedly, once they've had a chance now to examine what's in it, they believe there are unsubstantiated accusations. There was no transparency in the process by which it was developed. And let me say, we nuns are used to now, since the Second Vatican Council, very open and collaborative processes in our communities. And furthermore, they believe, as I think many people do, that it has caused grave scandal in the American church. Witness the great support that we have received from the laity across the country.
ROMANS: Let me ask you, women can't be priests. Women – if you follow church teaching, can't use contraception. Women -- I mean I guess in the Catholic church, you walk in and Mary is in full view and is – pray to Mary, but women in the church when you look at some of the teachings, is there a war on woman within your church? You add on top of that what's happening with nuns in the U.S., it's a good question.
FIEDLER: Well, It's a fundamental question that a lot of people ask. It's certainly true that at the institutional level women are not treated as equals in the church, and they need to be. Even to follow the very teachings which I just quoted, which the bishops of the world spoke back in the early 1960s. And I think that's a deep concern for many of us.
You know, another concern is that these teachings and practices that you've cited can change. It's a myth to think that the teachings of the church never change. And when people push for changes, or look at things with new theological insights, that's how the evolution of teaching and the development of teaching takes place in the church.
ROMANS: Sister, is Rome evolving, or are sisters evolving faster than Rome is, is that what the issue here is?
FIEDLER: I dare say that sisters have been evolving considerably faster than Rome, yes.
ROMANS: And what about the American Catholic Church compared with Rome? Is this another sign of an American Catholic Church that is – much, is evolving faster than Rome too?
FIEDLER: I think that's probably true, yes. Unfortunately, I think that the officials at the Vatican seem entrenched in what I would call a pre-Vatican II model of church, which is really dictatorial, non-collaborative and so forth. And I think the American church by and large has embraced the teachings of the Second Vatican Council, which puts emphasis, which we do as nuns, on social justice, on the needs of the poor, on relieving the plight of the opressed or helping victims of violence around the world. Those are the kinds of concerns we bring to this church.
And I've run into laity, quite frankly, and this makes me sad, who have said to me after they heard about this Vatican action against nuns, they said, you know, sister, how can I go to church next Sunday? This really makes me sad. And it makes me sad too to hear them say that.
ROMANS: Sister Maureen Fiedler, it's so nice to have you on the program this morning, we'll talk to you again very soon, host of the public radio program "Interfaith Voices." Thank you, have a nice day.
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Enough!
Submitted by DumbCanuck on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 2:02pm.
Sister. With all due respect. You are either a Catholic in conformity with the Church, or you're not. There's no in-between here. It really is that simple: Black or White. No grey area here.
If "evolving" means abandoning the faith and teachings that have been taught since the days Christ himself walked among us, then "evolving" is something I would not aspire to.
I'd prefer to think of the Sister's position as "progress", or "moving forward"... towards the edge of a cliff!
FYI... The church is not, and never had condemned the good works of the religious in the U.S. That is a lie perpetuated by the good "sisters" who condemn the report. What the Church have expressed concern was over the nuns' position regarding priests, abortion, and SSM, as their position is in direct conflict with that of the church.
"There... Are... Four... Lights!"
Catholics
Submitted by ferv888 on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 2:46pm.
Do you not just love cafeteria Catholics???? I'll have bit of this and a bit of that, whoa none of that on my plate. Love your comment, you either buy it all or you buy none of it!!!!
teachings of the church never change
Submitted by CarlosS on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 3:21pm.
I would refer this sister to Chapter 2 and chapter 15 of the Didache (70 AD) for the Church's teaching on abortion, contraception and selection priests, bishops, and deacons. And, sorry, sister, the teachings of the Church do not evolve.
There is, actually, a "war on women."
Submitted by Mike Bratton on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 3:36pm.
Because of abortion-on-demand, over 600,000 women are killed each year in the United States alone before they even have the opportunity to be born.
--Mike
Catholics
Submitted by 46Blitz on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 3:55pm.
I'm not thrilled with Vatican 2. The sign of peace and holding hands thing they do bugs me. Singing songs bugs me. In Protestant services I see that that is the main thing. A band singing praise songs. And multimedia presentations. I look for a Tridentine Mass if I can find one. Women can't be priests simply because they can't be Fathers. No brainer. Priests once could be married and I think they should be allowed to now.
I'm hearing rumblings...
Submitted by DumbCanuck on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 4:48pm.
I can't attest if this is true or not, but I am hearing rumblings among the clergy that they're reconsidering Vatican II... perhaps realizing that it may have been a mistake... a HA-UGE mistake!!!
I believe the RCC is in the midst of a "purge". Let's hope they (we) can clean up this mess before the arrival of an unexpected guest... if you know what I mean.
"There... Are... Four... Lights!"
Picard
Submitted by 46Blitz on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 4:58pm.
I like that sig by the way.
Anyway, I guess per Revelation, it's supposed to go this way anyway.
Still waiting for her report on pro-life Democrats
Submitted by JeffC... on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 2:07pm.
... or many of the other groups of people that are bucking leftist "authority."
If CNN were an unbiased network and really into women taking on authority, they'd love Sarah Palin, with her pro-life, pro-family, pro-business, and all the other things that makes "real women" (e.g. feminists, the N.O.W. gals) hate her.
Short answer is no
Submitted by c5then on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 2:12pm.
But CNN is waging a war on the Catholic Church.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
The War on Common Sense
Submitted by Galvanic on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 2:43pm.
As MRC/NB highliights daily, the MSM assaults facts and common sense in the name of an agenda. They echo meaningless hyperbolic terms like "War on Women," "War on Gays," and "War on Immigrants," what they are waging is the War on Common Sense.
The Obama PR Department
Submitted by John21 on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 2:29pm.
The Obama Public Relations Department just can't give up on that "War on Women" line can they? It did not work on the Republican, it did not work on Romney so now they try it on the church?
Libs let me give you a hint, the "War on Women" is being conducted by your clients and in your very small minds.
This is disillusioning and saddening
Submitted by CO2Maker on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 2:48pm.
No, no, not what they are saying about the Church. That's old news, an old smear, part of an ages-old disinformation campaign against the Church.
What is dispiriting is the reality that the MSM consists of a large cohort of unreflective repeaters of clichés, of the well-dressed, well-coifed, well-paid drones who mouth overly simplified ideas.
I know, this isn't new, either.
But I'm struck, not by the uniform mindlessness of them, but of how their knee-jerk, Pavlovian repetition of uninformed ideas degrades the public discourse. Ultimately, their drivel sullies the general public and taints people.
I live near the People's Republic of Chapel Hill and count many university-related people (faculty and staff) among my friends and acquaintances. I am astonished by how often they themselves repeat the clichés of the media about, say, the whole Plame-Wilson-yellowcake-Bush's 16 words meme, or the catastrophe of global warming (a real popular topic), or Obamacare, or racism in the U.S.
I'm here to tell you, throw them a few hard facts and they'll lose their balance, but then recover by saying "You're a conservative!" or "That's Fox News crap," and return to their old, comfortable, peer-reviewed and nationally broadcast ideas.
Pavlovian Response
Submitted by Schofield Kid on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 3:56pm.
You are exactly right and not just this topic. They get their talking points directly from the White House and from each other and yet still I'm convinced they think they're on the cutting edge of what is on the minds of most Americans. In their little insulated world, religion is just silly and the economy is just fine! And of course Obama is doing a great job or you're a racist!
War on Women? No.
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 2:49pm.
War on sluts. Possibly. :0
This is sad*
Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 3:08pm.
The MSM has given this woman, will not call her a Nun, hours of air time on every network. Not ONCE did they have a dissenting voice representing the faithful Catholics. Not ONCE did they have a Priest to talk about the US Church and relationship with the Vatican. Not ONCE did they have ordinary Catholics give their opinions. Not ONCE has the MSM reported on the protests on June 8th held all over the country to support the Catholic Church, the tenets of the church and support from others for religious freedom in this country.
But here we are, once again media pushing an agenda that supports destruction of our beliefs and traditions, not just a war on the Catholic Church, but on all aspects of what was once a proud America. We do not celebrate Christmas, Easter, D-Day, Veteran's Day, Thanksgiving, they are devaluing our election process by pushing the vote for dead people and illegals. The real war is being instigated by the MSM and the weapons are lies and myths, eugenics, racism, class divide, the ultimate goal is socialism, the destruction of our capitalist system.
This attack on the Church is the first shot fired, but it is not the real front of the battle. ALL Americans should be fearful if this MSM is allowed to continue their propaganda. We need to call them out, write to these people, boycott, support dissenting voices, and VOTE our voice come Nov.
All true Caj.
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 3:30pm.
And I dare say that we should be so lucky if the ultimate goal is merely socialism, (as bad as that is, and I ain't diminishing it). They are attempting to take away all independence, all of our spirit, all morality and yes, all of our beliefs.
They not only want a secular socialism, but seems they won't be happy until we have a Godless dictatorship.
(or, perhaps, a Godless anarchy.)
agree Restless*
Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 3:43pm.
I too believe tyranny is the ultimate goal. Total control our lives from the snobby elitists who believe they will be a seperate class exempt from the rules thrown at "ordinary" folks. But I left that out of my post to keep from bringing others "down" too...;-)
A question
Submitted by KornKing on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 2:52pm.
Why would a nun that is holding to her vows need to worry about contraception or abortion?
I don't think she is asking for herself
Submitted by GW on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 4:59pm.
She appears to be beyond her 'fertile' years.
I think she is rebelling against the heirarchy. Basically that wholee challenging authority kind of thing. That's nothing new. Satan did it. "I will not serve."
So, Rome just needs to evolve????
Submitted by motherbelt on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 4:15pm.
The Church is not asking them to stop their work; only to adhere to Catholic doctrine while they do it. And to speak out on matters of morality (gay marriage, abortion) that are just as important if not more, as social justice.
The Leadership Council of Women Religious, of which this Sister is a member, is trying to remake the Catholic Church in the image of their own belief system.
They actually advocate "nondenominationalism" and an process that they call "moving beyond the Church" to do the work of social justice. IOW, they think they have a higher calling that is more important than their vows in the Church.
To expect the Catholic Church st stand by and allow this group to rebel thus and still claim to be faithful Catholics is insane.
If these women truly believe they are the real deal, then they should go their own way and call themselves whatever they want.
But not "Catholic."
Henry VIII
Submitted by Fredy on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 4:30pm.
Good old Henry, like Pelosi and this woman, did not like the teachings of the Catholic Church. His simple solution was to start his own Church.
Pelosi, and others, have every right to go and start their own Church.
What NONE of these 'reformists' have is a right to unilaterally change any of the Catholic Church's teachings.
Many people in the world of today, like Pelosi, think they have the 'right' to tell others what to believe. This is in fact AGAINST the teachings of the Catholic Church.
It bears repeating
Submitted by GW on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 5:02pm.
that the LCWR represents orders of nuns with an average age in the 70's. In other words, they haven't been able to attract new members. More orthodox orders of nuns (I forget what name their umbrella organization goes by) has an average age in the 30's and their vocation problem is in housing all their new applicants.
Name of competing organization
Submitted by goodone91 on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 10:53pm.
It is the Council of Major Superiors of Women Religious (CMSWR).