Ted Nugent Explodes at CBS After Suggestion That He Is Extreme
In an interview that aired on Friday's CBS This Morning, conservative rocker Ted Nugent let loose at CBS correspondent Jeff Glor when Glor suggested he was extreme. "I'm an extremely loving, passionate man, and people who investigate me honestly, without the baggage of political correctness, ascertain the conclusion that I'm a damn nice guy," he ranted before unleashing a torrent of profanity.
CBS was aghast at conservative rocker Ted Nugent's on-camera outburst during an exclusive interview, but the same network treated profane comedian Bill Maher like the voice of reason when it read from his op-ed back on March 22. [Video below the break. Audio here.]
"We have no idea where that unexpected outburst came from," Glor claimed in surprise. "Kind of stunned us. Stunned our producer." Anchor Charlie Rose preached that Nugent should change his act if he wants to be remembered for his charity towards the youth.
However, perhaps CBS ignored its own hand in provoking of Nugent when Glor suggested that Nugent was extreme. "If Mitt Romney is to win, he needs at least some of the moderate vote," Glor told Nugent. "You are many things," he continued, pausing for effect before adding "You are not moderate."
In contrast, CBS held HBO's Bill Maher in much higher regard when it deemed his op-ed so important that they read an excerpt from it on-air, back in March. In the column, Maher slammed the public for being too sensitive to criticism – even though he had repeatedly spewed obscene and hateful verbiage at conservative women.
And that was shortly after Maher had donated $1 million to President Obama's super PAC. CBS didn't mention that he was an Obama donor, however. They made sure to report that Mitt Romney "courted" and received the endorsement of Nugent and asked Nugent about it in the interview.
So CBS took umbrage at conservative Ted Nugent's profane outburst, but gave Maher a microphone to tell people to calm down after he had repeatedly insulted women with the worst of insults. It reveals a double standard toward outspoken conservatives and liberals; CBS made sure to emphasize that Nugent is not a moderate, and yet treated the profane Maher like the voice of reason.
A partial transcript of the interview, which aired on May 4 on CBS This Morning at 7:30 a.m. EDT, is as follows:
[7:30]
JEFF GLOR, CBS This Morning special correspondent: Ted Nugent is loud, non-stop, never at a loss for words. He's also politically influential. Mitt Romney courted his endorsement and got it. And as we discovered firsthand during a visit to his Texas ranch, Nugent is ramping up the rhetoric again.
(...)
[7:33]
GLOR: April was one of the more interesting months I think you ever had.
NUGENT: Well, Jeff, that's where you're wrong. It's always been like this.
GLOR: It has not always been like this.
NUGENT: It has always been like this!
GLOR: You have gotten more boisterous.
(Crosstalk)
NUGENT: No way! It has always been – you go back and look at these interviews, it has always been like this!
GLOR: Politically speaking, you are more of an activist now than you were in 1970.
NUGENT: The political activism is being accelerated because the conditions demand accelerated activism, yes.
(...)
GLOR: If Mitt Romney is to win, he needs at least some of the moderate vote. You are many things. (Pause) You are not moderate.
NUGENT: But not – not very moderate. (Laughter)
GLOR: You are not moderate.
NUGENT: If you examine how I conduct myself, I don't think a day goes by in my life for many, many years now that we don't do charity work for children. I offer you this, have you done a lot of interviews?
GLOR: Decent number.
NUGENT: Call me when you sit down across from someone who has more families with dying little boys and girls who get a call to take them on their last fishing trip in life. Call me when you meet someone who does that more than I do. Because that's really moderate. In fact, you know what that is? That's extreme. I'm an extremely loving, passionate man, and people who investigate me honestly, without the baggage of political correctness, ascertain the conclusion that I'm a damn nice guy. And If can you find a screening process more powerful than that, I'll [ bleep]. Or [bleep]! How's that sound?
GLOR: We have no idea where that unexpected outburst came from.
(...)
GLOR: We released the Romney clip on our website yesterday and the Romney campaign responded by re-releasing a statement saying "Divisive language and offensive and inappropriate, no matter what side of the political aisle it comes from. Mitt Romney believes everyone needs to be civil. Not exactly the most stinging rebuke from the Romney campaign. And Ted feels that he didn't sleight them at all."
CHARLIE ROSE: Why did he go off like that?
GLOR: It’s a good question. Very good question. Kind of stunned us. Stunned our producer. His wife, a very sweet woman, did come in after the interview ended. Interview went on for ten minutes after this explosion. She said, Ted, you need to apologize to Molly.
HILL: Molly, your producer?
GLOR: And he did. He did. At first he started to back off after he apologized, then he delivered a full apology. And we went on. Yesterday he called me on the phone, after we got back to New York, and said, after our interview that he was rushed to the emergency room and had a kidney stone removed. So, that's what he said may have contributed to his high level of energy.
ROSE: When he said it's always been like this, what did he mean?
GLOR: He meant that he's always been provocative, he’s always been loud, he’s always caused controversy.
ROSE: Has he always called the President and the Secretary of State criminals?
GLOR: No. No. And that's why I pointed that out to him. And I think he acknowledged he's upped the activism and that's why the Secret Service went to visit him.
ROSE: Yeah, you know if someone cares about being known for doing things for the little kids, the better way to do that is not to talk about other people being criminals.
(Crosstalk)
GLOR: Yep. I think it’s a very good point. I think it’s a very good point.
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Uncle Ted is very adiment
Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 5:30pm.
Uncle Ted is very adiment about our 2nd Amendment rights and all of right for that matter. This idiot brought a knife to a gun fight and The Motor City Madman was the worst one he could have jumped on. AMEN Uncle Ted.
No Idea?
Submitted by shayne62 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 5:32pm.
"We have no idea where that unexpected outburst came from."
Wow, talk about a disconnection from reality! It's about time someone (other than Newt) called these MSM losers out on their hypocrisy.
I get this same double
Submitted by Pewah on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 5:49pm.
I get this same double standard in my family. When one of the uber libs in my family mouths off too loud they are forgiven for the fact that they are so very "passionate" about their beliefs. When I do the same thing I am called a loud-mouthed bore. Apparently, possessing civility and wisdom requires a membership.
Need to have some cards printed up like this
Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 6:19pm.
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/s320x320/558561_402929253073323...
That might shut them up for a few mintues.
That's VERY good, Rick
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 6:35pm.
I think NB ought to have a membership card, with that printed on the back. For conservatives only, of course.
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yeah with no opposing voices
Submitted by GreenTea on Sun, 05/06/2012 - 5:48am.
yeah with no opposing voices like msnbc..the majority wouldn't support it...
Me too Pewah, "Indoctrinate U"... A movie made about lib speak,
Submitted by upcountrywater on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:48pm.
A documentary film covering the assault on free speech and free thought on college campuses
Law One Speech : When the Libs are offended by it, it becomes harassment...
Diversity diversity diversity.... Blah Blah Blah... Libs got Dat thing DOWN......
RACE ......CLASS.....&....... GENDER ISSUES.....
That's it ....that all the libs got.
Oh diversity of thought of hell no.
Watch the whole movie...
Ted has seen the movie...and he's fed up.
And here we are, BEING DUPED and at a HUGE DISADVANTAGE watching a video from Stinking CBS.
You Didn't Build That.
The liberal definition of 'extreme' is believing the...
Submitted by Phryj1 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 5:58pm.
...Constitution actually means what it says, guarantees our rights, and limits the government's power.
Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
I can't help but wonder
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 6:13pm.
If there wasn't some editing done there.
Ted Nugent...
Submitted by Samaritan01 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 6:58pm.
...merely seems extreme because CBS employees are so rarely exposed to facts.
I watched this video clip
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 7:24pm.
I watched this video clip this morning, and I say 'way to go' to the Motor City Madman for letting this little dweeb know where he's coming from....................these StateRun Media twerps more often than not don't have the slightest idea of what they are talking about, or who they're talking to...............it serves this guy right to have his face melted by Nugie!!! And I saw a pretty good clip a couple of weeks ago of Uncle Ted squashing that pommie prick Long Walk/Short Piers Morgan under his cowboy boots like some scurrying cockroach!!!
You go get'um, Ted!!! We need more people like you - front and center - guys who actually have balls, and aren't afraid to prove it..................and I don't mean any disrespect to the women either, because we've got a lot of women who show a helluva lot more testicular fortitude than most of our so-called 'leaders'!!!
Oh no! Someone dared to say
Submitted by balboa on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 7:34pm.
Oh no! Someone dared to say Nugent wasn't moderate?! Heaven forfend!!
And what's your point,
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 7:51pm.
And what's your point, balboa??? I think Nugent pretty much let this queebie know how wrong he was - and I'd probably say something similiar to anybody who said that about me. I've probably done more community service, youth sports volunteerism, team sponsership, time donation, and all that type of thing in my own little world than TEN of the self-absorbed, all-about-me libs that I know over here in my part of Asia/Hawaii.................yet they would all consider me to be some kind of a 'right-wing extremist whacko racist bigoted intolerant whatever....................although I'm a helluva lot nicer and easy to get along with than any of them.
We need more people on 'our side' telling these StateRun Media dimwits what is REALLY going on, instead of just sitting there like little toadstools and accepting the bullsh*t that they keep trying to present us with.
I don't get
Submitted by BosTarus on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 8:25pm.
where community service comes into play-in Nugent's freak out or in your post. What about calling someone "not a moderate" implies that they don't give to their community? No one was making that implication and it has nothing to do with political alignment.
OK, then define 'moderate'
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 8:29pm.
OK, then define 'moderate' for me.................I'm just a country boy blue-collar worker - I figured that it was the 'moderates' and the 'liberals' who were the only ones who 'cared' about people and did things for them - WITHOUT being told to, or WITHOUT having some laws MAKING them do it??? You've gotta get me up to speed here, Bos...................I'm just flailin' (Obamaspeak) over here without a 'moral compass'.
Actually, if some dope told me I wasn't a 'moderate', I'd tell him he's right.
Well, yeah
Submitted by BosTarus on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 8:45pm.
that's probably what you'd say... because that's a reasonable response to the sentence "you're not a moderate". So why couldn't Nugent? Didn't quite deserve a profanity-laced outburst. Wasn't too much of an insult.
And maybe someone else has made this connection, but liberals and "moderates" don't have a monopoly on "caring" for people... and even if some people have implied as much, the interviewer certainly wasn't trying to imply that Nugent never gave back to his community by asking him how Romney could win the votes of moderates.
Anyway, if some jerk liberal has implied that you'd never do community service because of you're political leaning, then I apologize. But I'm certainly not one to make assumptions about anyone's capacity for caring based solely on political viewpoints. The two are extremely unrelated.
I think that when this
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 9:09pm.
I think that when this purported 'journalist' made the 'moderate' question personal to Nugent, that is what set him off. I've got to hand it to Uncle Ted for putting himself in these positions with these dip-sh*ts................and still being able to 'hold his own', and not compromise to their dumb mentality. Most 'Republicans' and conservatives don't seem to have the onions to do that, for fear of being 'politically incorrect'.....................I have a lot more respect for the ones who just lay it on the line.
I don't know if blowing up
Submitted by BosTarus on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 9:28pm.
I don't know if blowing up and hurling obscenities at the slightest provocation is "holding his own"... it makes him look like a lunatic.
Also, what's the deal with the "(obamaspeak)" stuff... does cuttin' of the 'g' imply something 'bout a person? Is that supposed to be an insult of some sort? Or are you implying some sort of ridiculous "urban speech" problem?
If being honest is viewed as
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:10pm.
If being honest is viewed as an 'insult', Bos - then I guess I'm guilty as hell. Apparantly you haven't paid too much attention to Boy Baraka and his various (and highly affected) styles of speaking.................and all I'm doing is pointing out one of those affected styles that he uses when he is talkin' to a particular segment of the 'folks'. And I'm not 'implyin' anything - what is there to imply?? Baraka is a phony as a 3-dollar bill, and I'm going to point it out at every chance I get. Maybe you need to ask Obama about the Obamaspeak - because he's re-defined the 1984 version of NewSpeak in many different ways!!!
And I still haven't been able to get a comparison between Ted Nugent and Bill Donkeyface Maher either - read what I wrote to Balboa. Nugent is direct and bold and will say what he has to say TO the person that he is addressing - and will make no bones or apologies about it............and if you watched the rest of this interview, you'd see and hear some of Nugent's humility and self-depreciation too.
As for Maher - he's a chicken-sh*t little tilley who would have to change his pink panties if he ever ran into any of the people that he vilely insults on a weekly basis...........and those are only the women!!!
Oh my god!!! A president
Submitted by JasonC on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:15pm.
Oh my god!!!
A president alters his tone depending on his audience?! He acts "folksy" around blue collar people in rural Ohio and then elevates his diction at a fundraiser in DC?!
Alert the media!
This has never EVER happened before Obama was president.
Give me a break dude. This is as weak as the whole stunningly unclever "teleprompter-in-chief" bit. As if every president since the technology was invented hasn't used a teleprompter.
The conservatives' hatred of Obama is getting darn close to being as unfounded and superficial as liberals' hatred of Bush. You can't even mention his name without using some stupid alteration of it, like Boy Baraka, whatever that's even supposed to mean.
Lemme clue you in on a few
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:40pm.
Lemme clue you in on a few things, Jason, because you appear to be rather clueless, although I'm sure that you think you're smarter than anybody around you.
I've got a problem with Boy Baraka's COMPLETE phoniness - and his affected speech patterns are just a small part of it.
Plus - I don't care who does it - I think it's bogus for ANY of these politicians to try and change their typical or usual speaking styles to fit whatever audience they are talking to. Anybody in the audience with a modicum of intelligence and common sense would be insulted at listening to some self-absorbed politician trying to sound like them Of course, when we are talking about Boy BlahBlah, all bets are off, because most of his supporters are uninformed, misinformed, willfully noninformed, and are woefully lacking in both intelligence AND common sense - which is basically illegal these days anyway!!!
Ok - the teleprompter issue. Have you ever paid attention to Barry Soetoro when he is OFF teleprompter, Jason?? Would you consider this guy to be lucid??? Quick on his feet?? Well-trained at impromptu speaking?? Able to string together a coherent paragraph without stammering, stuttering, hemming, hawing, and trying his best to sound precient and intelligent while he searches for a thought that he can state without telling the truth about what he really thinks??? And do it all in a 17 minute time frame??? There's a reason he MUST rely on the teleprompter - it TELLS him what to say..............and the idiot can't even get it right frequently. Plus, when he adopts his Benito Mussolini - looking down my nose at the folks - speaking style while reading his teleprompter, he only showcases his arrogance, condascencion, and sanctimony, as well as elevating his allready-overblown ego and supreme narcississim.
I don't think my own disdain, disrespect, and utter loathing of Boy Baraka - on a political OR personal level - is unfounded OR superficial.................he is America's WORST NIGHTMARE..........and I'm not rolling over for him, and neither are millions and millions of my compatriots. He is the biggest threat that this country has ever faced in the history of the USA, bar none!!!
And 'Boy Baraka'??? Hey, Jason, I've got a grandson who is more mature and carries himself with more class and style than this immature, sniveling, spoiled, never-told-no, brainwashed, self-absorbed, egomaniacial, petulant punk - and I do mean 'punk' too, because in the real world, he'd just be another big-mouthed punk with nothing to back it up. He's basically a lightweight who hit the bigtime - and now the country is in dire danger of being ruined - and we only have ourselves to blame - although don't blame me, because I know where I'm coming from.
And don't call me 'dude', either...........in Hawaii, that could lead to a quick slap from some of 'da boyz'...............
Yes, the teleprompter TELLS
Submitted by JasonC on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:57pm.
Yes, the teleprompter TELLS him what to say. Just like it did for McCain. And Bush, and Clinton, and Bush, and Reagan, and Carter . . .
Yeah, OK, I get it, you deeply loathe Obama. Nevermind that everything you say is either a bunch of cobbled-together and highly-subjective observations - yup, ALL of the people who still support and believe in the Obama administration are idiots - or paranoid blather.
he is America's WORST NIGHTMARE..........He is the biggest threat that this country has ever faced in the history of the USA, bar none!!!
How? No, really. Serious question. This is ALL the dwindling, arcane, right wing has. Vague claims about how Obama is a menace. You can't even bring yourself to use his proper name, and you think anyone will take you seriously when you dive wholeheartedly into hyperbole like this? One day, you're going to run out of silly, infantile ways to distort his name into vaguely insulting nicknames. Hopefully, it will coincide with the day that someone truly calls you out on this WORST NIGHTMARE EVAH!!!1!! canard. There are things to criticize about Obama. If you dialed down the pathological need to make him the source of all evil, your criticisms might be taken seriously outside of the fringe right.
I mean, do you realize how ridiculous all this sounds? You find his facial expressions distasteful (not at ALL related to the fact that you just don't like his politics, I'm sure) so therefore he looks at us like Mussolini? Pa-. Thetic. You're no more compelling than the Daily Kos bloggers and dumb-ass college kids who joked about Bush being a monkey.
Also: Spoiled, never-told-no? Are you even vaguely aware of his biography? Or the fact that he's pretty much the Compromiser-in-Chief thanks to the legislative branch?
I could go on and on. But since Romney doesn't stand a chance, we'll have plenty of time to continue this conversation.
Well, Jason, after reading
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:06pm.
Well, Jason, after reading this post you wrote - I know all I need to know about where you're coming from...........you pretty much gave yourself up.
Oh, I CAN say our Dear Leader's name - or at least what we know publicly - it is Barry Soetoro Baraka Hussein Obama.
Good luck with your hope and change and fundamental transformation, meat.
Yup, I think Obama's a pretty
Submitted by JasonC on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:29pm.
Yup, I think Obama's a pretty good president. You've found me out.
And you have no response whatsoever to my assessment of your churlishly apocalyptic claims about his presidency. Big surprise.
Let's leave it at this. In your profile (I wanted to see how long you've been posting here after you called me "rookie"...let's just say I'm an oldtimer compared to you) you say that his presidency has rendered the United States into the U.S.S.A. I'm assuming that's not a typo but yet another clever way of intimating that the U.S. is now like Soviet Russia (how, exactly?). Even putting aside your baseless and endless hatred for the POTUS, this is a pretty damning indictment of your own faith in the U.S. In your view, the American people are so weak that one term of a bad presidential administration can turn us into some sort of statist dystopia?
I'm tempted to take a page from conservatives circa 2001-2008 and ask why you don't just expatriate, but that was always a puerile bit of rhetoric no matter which side it came from.
This is something I've never
Submitted by balboa on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:38pm.
This is something I've never understood. We're supposed to believe that Obama is capable of taking down the United States? Man-made global warming is an impossibility, but OBAMA can and will destroy America.
We're entering the exact thing that conservatives complained about: a derangement syndrome in re: Obama.
It is so confusing for crypto-dummies, ain't it?
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:07am.
balboa: This is something I've never understood...
Yes, but the crypto-dummy can fully understand how two convicted cop killers are innocent despite never having gone anywhere near a transcript of their court cases.
Life is so hard for the crypto-dummy. Poor little confused troll.
Lemme set you straight on
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:17am.
Lemme set you straight on this one, Balboa. 'Manmade global warming' is a complete and total falsehood - invented by people who stand to make a fortune by selling it. Barry Soetore Baraka Hussein Obama also happens to be a complete and total falsehood - but he is now the President of the United States, and has, as such, the power to destroy this country as it was founded - and that is what he is doing.
Any questions??
Hey there
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:13am.
Hey there 'oldtimer'............yep, you've really busted me now!!! I was just a naive, immature, uneducated, misinformed, freshman virgin before I came onto NewsBusters.............and so I guess I need to bow down and listen to the wise and knowledgable teachings from a true veteran like you, huh??? Hahahaha!!! Don't flatter yourself, rookie..................you don't know anything about my Mother or Father - of what I learned from them as I was growing up. In fact, you wouldn't have WANTED to meet my father if you were going to be flapping your stupid gums they way you do here on NB - he would have eaten you for dinner, and used your bones as toothpicks!! And that would have ALL been with his mind.
I don't know what you do, Jason - maybe you could tell us. It might help us to understand why you think that Boy Barry Soetore Baraka Hussein Obama is a 'pretty good presiden't.........becuase I happen to think that Jihad Jimmah Cahtah should be shinin' (Obamaspeak) Barry's shoes for kickin' him out of the cellar!!! And, in the spirit of 'fairness' (more Obamaspeak), I'll be happy to tell you what I do, so that you can understand my point of view.
I've always been a very optimistic and animated guy - so if you think that I'm being 'apocolyptic'..........then maybe you ought to wonder why.
And being an 'expatriate'..........hey, Jason, I live in Asia - don't you know??? Your Boy Baraka claims he was born here, yet he also claims that this is Asia!!! So...............is it Kenya, or Asia, or Hawaii, or Connecticut, or where??? Whaddaya think???
Binky Braveheart strikes again.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:04am.
Just once. Just once, I would like to come here and find Binky being truthful in his rants.
Binky Braveheart:...the dwindling, arcane, right wing has.
Just once.
January 12, 2012 Political ideology in the U.S. held steady in 2011, with 40% of Americans continuing to describe their views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal.
August 1, 2011 Americans' political ideology at the midyear point of 2011 looks similar to 2009 and 2010, with 41% self-identifying as conservative...
June 25, 2010 Conservatives have maintained their leading position among U.S. ideological groups in the first half of 2010. Gallup finds 42% of Americans describing themselves as either very conservative or conservative.
October 26, 2009 On the question of political ideology, 40 percent of those surveyed said they were conservative, 36 percent were moderate, and 20 percent liberal.
According to a new Gallup Survey, 2011 marks the third straight year that conservatives have outnumbered moderates, after more than a decade in which moderates mainly tied or outnumbered conservatives.
Just once Binky. Please.
Slooowly but surely. And t's
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 10:15am.
Slooowly but surely. And t's called rehtoric, Vet. And what people are willing to self-identify as is different from what their votes and views actually align them with.
Also, hey, I thought you were being cool again after we parted on amicable terms on a thread a few weeks back. I mean, I knew you'd be here to call me out sooner or later, but I was kinda disappointed to see it preceded with the BB label.
Up yours troll.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 11:29am.
I give you cold hard facts. You spin. And lie. It was not rhetoric. You were handing down us stupid ass low castes of your information.
We left on amicable terms because you admitted you fudged some numbers. Now you are right back fudging again. And acting like polls are something other than polls now. There is no poll that reads peoples thoughts. Nor do I think it is legal to record people's votes. A poll is a poll is a poll. You ask people questions, they answer. Of course it will be self identification, it is what polls are for.
Up yours you dishonest troll.
Jason
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 8:29am.
Compromiser in Chief? Really? The "But I won" and "Elections have consequences" president? Not to mention the big meeting about health care with the GOP who's ideas BO didn't even consider using?
As far as our rights, BO signed a bill allowing him to detain American citizens indefinately without a trial. He's given himself the power to shut down the internet, and take property and labor from American citizens during an undefined national emergency. He's passed a health care requiring Americans to buy a product against their will. He assasinated an American citizen overseas.
Pretty scary in my book, but like Nugent, I'm a freedom lover.
Really?
Submitted by rags mchenry on Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:10pm.
Sorry to see you are using the predictable reply to anyone who dares to call out the President for what he really is. What has he done in his presidency that warrants this sort of protection from someone like you who doesn't really know him; save through the propaganda that is aired daily by the "Big-3?" Blind faith in leaders is akin to putting your head in the sand.
I do know one thing, Obama is one to be feared; not directly attributed to him but for the bottom-line that he hasn't really done anything on his own. Once his usefulness has been depleted, he will be cast aside by those in power behind him. The fact that he happens to be black was by design and has been worked brilliantly by his followers. But even with this, the fuel will run out sooner than later and you will be left with clutter strewn everywhere with his picture on it.
Community service doesn't
Submitted by balboa on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 8:59pm.
Community service doesn't explain away some of his antics and this blow up. Sorry.
What 'antics'??? And if this
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 9:02pm.
What 'antics'??? And if this was a 'blow up'...........then I need to go to a 're-education' camp. Nugent is probably tired of these dumb-ass twerps with their stupid assumptions and questions. I don't blame him.
Antics like firing an AK-47
Submitted by balboa on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 9:09pm.
Antics like firing an AK-47 in the air at a concert and telling the crowd he'd like to meet Hillary and tell her "Suck on this!"
If this incident with the reporter wasn't an eruption, what was it?
Wow, really?? I"m likin'
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 9:12pm.
Wow, really?? I"m likin' (Obamaspeak) ol' Nugie even more and more!!! Thanks for the info!!! And as for Hillary...............I wouldn't want her 'sucking' on ANYTHING within a few miles of me!!!
I understand
Submitted by BosTarus on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 9:38pm.
taking umbrage with the implication that a conservative figure is chastised for an outburst while a liberal figure is treated with kid gloves-but I don't get why you have to defend Nugent.
He was still, thoroughly inappropriate and blew up for no good reason. Why can't the rhetoric of both Maher AND Nugent be condemned? They both are inappropriate and shouldn't be encouraged to continue with their offensive language-and they both do nothing but harm political discourse.
So, Bos, you're sayin' that
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:15pm.
So, Bos, you're sayin' that the 'political discourse' can actually be 'harmed'??? Jeez, what planet do you live on?? Do you pay attention to current events??? Have you listened to any 'news' on a daily basis?? Do you have enough common sense to juxtapose what you just said to me with 'reality'??? I'm not buyin' into your line of thinking, Bos...................like Ted Nugent, I'm not acceptin' your premise.
Yeah
Submitted by BosTarus on Sun, 05/06/2012 - 3:15pm.
I have listened to the news. Political discourse sucks. And people like Maher, and Nugent make it worse. You're not helping any, either, but you seem to be proud of that.
Poor confused crypto-dummy.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:19am.
balboa: ...doesn't explain away some of his antics... Antics like firing an AK-47 in the air at a concert and telling the crowd he'd like to meet Hillary and tell her "Suck on this!"
Why, it is as though Mr. Nugent is mad. Like he is a mad man or suntin. A mad man from Motor City. The Motor City Mad Man if you will. Hmmmmmmm. For heaven's sake, I hope he never sings a song that mentions burning down your house just cuz it is in the way. Poor crypto-dummy balboa will have a stroke.
Idiot. Stick to sucking up to cop killers. It is what you do best.
Where did that come from???
Submitted by Ozconservative on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 7:43pm.
The fact that you were being an a$$hole, Jeff, may have had a lot to do with it.
Nugent makes extreme statements...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 8:06pm.
and conservatives applaud and defend him.
Maher makes extreme statements, and liberals applaud and defend him.
And the world goes round and round.
Jer
Did Nugent call a liberal woman
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 8:20pm.
Any of the offensive names Maher does?
Not to my knowledge, Rad...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:14pm.
but I believe he called Hillary Clinton a b*tch. Is that acceptable?
Jer
He also reportedly called Hillary a toxic c*nt and a two-bit whore.
Jer
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:14pm.
Sorry as much as I despise mysoginy, I don't think Nugent comes close to Maher.
So, Rad, is that a "yes" or a "no" to my question.
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:20pm.
Jer
Her
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:57pm.
Damn autocorrect for writing "her" instead of "Jer", it always does that on the subject line.
And no, that comment was not acceptable.
Bad...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:02pm.
Thanks.
Jer
I get it!
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:03pm.
LOL
I'll tell ya, Jer, ol' buddy
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 8:33pm.
I'll tell ya, Jer, ol' buddy - have you been hittin' the sauce lately?? You've made some absurd statements in the past few days (although I think MatthewDean would expand that timeframe exponentally), and this is one of them - in my not-so-humble opinion.
I've seen Nugent make some pretty 'in your face' statements - INTO the faces of the people he's talking too............and most of it is suitable for viewer listenability - well, he went over the line today at the end of that spiel - but that's uncommon for him.
Has Donkeyface EVER said any of the vile and heinous (rhymes with Donkeyface) statements in the presence of whoever it is that he's talking about?? ONCE, Jer???
So - do you applaud and defend Donkeyface, Jer?? Cause I sure as hell applaud and defend the Motor City Madman.
Absurd statements, killa?
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:06pm.
Examples, please.
So you concede Nugent crossed the line, but you applaud and defend him. That's a tad inconsistent. Do you think this was the only occasion of the M C Madman's having crossed the line?
Do I applaud and defend "Donkeyface"? No. As a matter of fact I have stated that in my opinion Maher is a towering a**hole who should be kicked off the air.
Jer
Well, Jer, we were having a
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:22pm.
Well, Jer, we were having a conversation the other night about that brave and fearless Bill 'der Schlickmeister' Clinton, and how he had left no stone unturned in his zeal and quest to kill Osama Obama bin Laden...............but you never got back to me as to what he actually did - which was basically NOTHING, as far as most informed people can tell.
I did say that Nugent crossed the line with a couple of statements at the end of his little tirade - but I'm not holding that against him, in the broader scope of what he said. Hell, Jer, I've even uttered a few choice epitaths on occassion............but I"m not going to lose my lid about it either. I still believe in myself...............and I'll still back up Nugent. Hey - the guy is animated, lucid, glib, passionate, and able to speak pretty coherently off the cuff - which is a helluva lot more than I can say about Boy Baraka.
Nah............I think I've heard you disdain Donkeyface - I just needed to ask you that question.
And it's still too early for a black cherry/vodka - even though we finished our day a couple of hours ago!!! Shucks!!!
aloha from Asia,
Killa
killa...we can revisit Clinton and bin Laden later...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:53pm.
but let me get this straight: Is it your view that Donkeyface's descriptions of Sarah Palin are vile and heinous in comparison to Nugent's descriptions of Hillary Clinton which are lucid, glib, and passionate?
Jer
This might shock you, Jer ol'
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:16pm.
This might shock you, Jer ol' buddy, but the answer is 'yes'........................and it has to do with the character and integrity of the persons who are being verbally attacked.
Okay...I appreciate
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:22pm.
your candor.
Jer
Bill Maher is a misogynist
Submitted by JasonC on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:08pm.
Bill Maher is a misogynist blowhard who wrote an editorial that - coming from anyone else - should have been though-provoking. Coming from him, it was cowardly, a schoolyard retreat, a rewriting of the rules of etiquette meant to exculpate him and him only.
Nugent, however...a washed-up nobody with fanciful and completely extremist views who is, frankly, lucky he's not being investigated for his suggestion that the POTUS fellate his machine gun. Seriously, given that he apparently owns dozens of high-powered weapons without any federal obstruction renders his shrieks of victimization at the hands of anti-2nd Amendment extremists pretty moot. Not to mention the fact that he invested the proceeds from his unbelievably boring arena rock chest-thumping anthems into a hunting facility that any real hunter would dismiss as being a liiittle to close to featuring canned quarry. OH! And he got around those pesky statutory rape laws by LEGALLY ADOPTING his underage girlfriend. If you all want to get indignant and ad hominemy about misogyny and male entitlement, that pretty much takes the cake.
Hey Ted, tell us again about how you're a Real American and if the lib'ruls don't like it they can kiss your ass til next Tuesday and they'd better run if they see you with your big bad compound huntin' bow. You just never get tiresome.
Jason
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:13pm.
Nugent was investigated for his comments. And cleared.
Haha, was he really?! Good.
Submitted by JasonC on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:17pm.
Haha, was he really?! Good. I'm sure he thought it signaled the end of the Republic that he could possibly be held responsible and investigated for his reckless Western Hero wannabe schtick.
No you ignorant troll
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:47pm.
Nugent had no problem with being investigated. Why don't you get informed before spouting off?
Here's the problem with The
Submitted by JasonC on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:32pm.
Here's the problem with The Nuge, aside from his fashion sense and a discography that makes Winger look sophisticated: he truly seems to believe that intoning (or shrieking) the word "Freedom" is some sort of brilliant and inspiring meditation on policy and culture. And like all reactionaries, left or right, who rally around some fetishized concept as if it's not completely lacking novelty, his view of what counts as freedom is totally limited to his own narrow preferences.
This is a man who actually said "Apartheid isn't that cut-and-dry. All men are not created equal," in one fell swoop pretty much shitting on the Founding Fathers who are apparently only good for having written the 2nd Amendment (which you'll never hear Nuge quote in full, but that's cool, I'm sure the militia part didn't mean anything important) and on decades of struggle in South Africa. This is a man who actually called the President of the United States a "piece of s---." That anyone here would eviscerate Maher for his misogynist remarks but defend Nugent for "just speaking his mind" is disgraceful, and just goes to show that, not at all surprisingly, these aghast calls for decorum and civility in discourse by Bozell et al. are motivated by the same ideological tribalism as, well, everything else in our sad little excuse for politico-cultural conversation.
Hey Jason - I grew up in
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:45pm.
Hey Jason - I grew up in Hawaii, which has literally dozens of races living side by side - and it is quite a 'racial' place too, but everybody knows it and deals with it. So don't go categorizing me as a 'racist', because I only recognize it and deal with it too.
But what do you know about South Africa since 'home rule' was installed, and 'apartheid' was abolished???
I'm truly lost with this one.
Submitted by JasonC on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:01pm.
I'm truly lost with this one. I didn't call anyone a racist, and the only person I was addressing at all in that post was one Ted Nugent and his deliberate reference/rebuttal to the Founding Fathers.
I just want to find out what
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:09pm.
I just want to find out what you know about pre-apartheid vs. post-apartheid South Africa, since you mentioned it.
Do you have a specific
Submitted by JasonC on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:33pm.
Do you have a specific question about pre- vs. post-? In my view, institutionalized racial segregation is never something to be regarded as "maybe sort of okay" especially if that belief is based on the idea that oh actually, some people are less equal than others (to bastardize Orwell).
Yeah, I do............how was
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:42pm.
Yeah, I do............how was South Africa doing - as a country - before homerule, as opposed to homerule?? And did aparteid play any factor in it?? I know some South Africans.............they have informed me of some facts and realities. And since you're so big on being against racial segregation, maybe you can tell me if you live in 'the hood', like a good little lib.
I'm very against forced,
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:09am.
I'm very against forced, INSTITUTIONALIZED racial discrimination, as I imagine any decent human would be. As with any social phenomenon - slavery, war, etc. - you can trace positive outcomes along with the obviously negative ones. I'm not trying to advance a 3rd grade Social Studies book version of South Africa's history. I'm not trying to debate apartheid with you at all, in fact, though the fact that you know a handful of people who have a contrarian view of it based on firsthand experience is no doubt fascinating - I'm pointing out that Nugent's statement was openly based on a belief that people who are born into a subjugated social position are maybe just plain inferior.
I have lived in inner-city areas before, but for the next few years I'll be living in an extremely rural midwestern community. The fresh air is nice and all, but I can't wait to get back to civilization.
Is that 'inner city', or 'da
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:16am.
Is that 'inner city', or 'da hood'?? And personally, I'm a country boy - and this IS 'civilization'.
Sumpin' else............sometimes I feel like a 'subjugated social/economic position' myself..........and I'm WHITE!!! Am I qualified to say anything with regards to this subject???
But you know what I do about my 'subjugation'??? I work harder!!! It beats sittin' around gripin' about it, and thinkin' that somebody owes me sumpin'..................
Frankly,
Submitted by BosTarus on Sun, 05/06/2012 - 3:24pm.
If you feel "subjugated"... then you don't know what actual subjugation is. And you are an insult to every human being on this planet who has actually suffered true subjugation. Think about your ridiculous hyperbole before you let it drip out of your mouth.
Ever single one of em eh?
Submitted by Boudin on Sun, 05/06/2012 - 3:30pm.
So whats that make you to morons? An embarrassment or role-model?
Hey Bos, I don't mind
Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 05/06/2012 - 11:02pm.
Hey Bos, I don't mind insultin' (Obamaspeak) you, since you seem to be easily insulted.........but I do keep a dictionary AND a thesauras by my computer, just so that I can have an idea of what my 'drips out of my mouth'............so you can take your own hyperbolic opinion and stick it where the sun don't shine.
Maybe you've never been in business for yourself, and been 'subjugated' (subdued, made subservient, reduced to submission, dominated, tamed, etc.........) by a never ended array of federal, state, local, and insurance rules, regulations, taxes, penalties, fees, fines, compliances, decrees, edicts, fatwahs, and the like - designed to complicate your own life and ability to get something done, while also PAYING those people and agencies who are DOING it to you!!!
Or maybe you've never been in the service?? I'm sure those new recruits could give you a pretty good definition of 'subjugation'.
Or maybe you've never had dealings with the IRS, or OSHA, or some other Big Brother agency??
You sound like a typical lib, Bos.............telling people how to think, how to talk, and how to act - without having any credentials or common sense to back it up. I'll take my own stance anyday over yours.
And as to your remark above about me 'not helping matters' with regards to the current climate in political discourse - HAH!!!
Get outta my face, meat...............you're delusional. I live in the real world.............and I'm a survivalist. And even my lib acquaintances would testify as to my cheerful and animated and easy-going personality. But if someone wants to get into it, I don't roll over. Like I said - when push comes to shove - most libs will take them both, and complain that guys like me don't.
Haha!
Submitted by BosTarus on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 1:35pm.
First off, I'm not insulted-because I'm not damn fool enough to claim that I've ever been subjugated. Put upon? Yes. Annoyed? Yes. Deeply irritated by bureaucracies? Clearly. Fined and taxed and blah blah blah. Yeah, like every other citizen of the US. But subjugated? You have a low threshold for what you consider subjugation.
You should consider yourself blessed that your "subjugation" is as weak as it is. I'm sorry that you're a business owner and have to deal with regulations and fines and taxes. Right now there are people all over this world who are rotting in prison for being different-for believing in something their government doesn't want them to believe. For being a woman, or gay, or a different religion than the state. This, my "submissive" friend, is real subjugation. Dealing with irritating regulations and tax law is a far stretch from being executed as a political dissident.
And I'm not telling you how to act or talk-I'm just telling you that you're claim of being "subjugated" is laughable. And that's common sense.
Sorry Bos*
Submitted by cajun2 on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 3:36pm.
You are wrong again. This country was founded on the principles of freedom and liberty, individual rights. Our founders saw thousands of years of slavery and subjugation in other countries They pledged the people of this country that "subjugation" was prevented by the constitution. Americans today have a dim view of subjugation since is it rare in this country and dont get started on slavery. We took of that yet it still exists in other parts of the world. Subjugation of any kind will not be acceptable to any true American. Be it for religious reasons, federal rules and regulations, intimidation, nor the slow erosion of individual rights.
You're completely right.
Submitted by BosTarus on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 3:54pm.
Americans today do have a dim view of subjugation since it is rare in this country. That's why most claims of "true American subjugation" are actually quite laughable.
well Bos*
Submitted by cajun2 on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 8:58pm.
You apparantly fail to recognize the reason NB exists. There are those in this country that have plans to subjugate the citizenry. The media doesnt want you to know but it is there. Most people have not yet felt it because it comes in slow incremental steps but there are those who are well aware.
Lets see, we are now regulated as to what we can grow in our back yards, no crucifix or flags in the yard, no bake sales, no lemonade stands, no salt on the resturant table, no sodas at schools, no prayers at sports events, no religious symbols on government sites, they tell us which light bulbs to buy, use our taxes without our approval to build useless items that no one wants like the Volt and sun panels, continue spending our way into debt and raising taxes but demand nothing from 40 million people who live off the government and contribute nothing, government can take your property if it deems it of benefit to others with their version of fair price, they tell you how many people you can put in a boat, how many fish you can catch, the government decides if you can contract with an oil company to drill on YOUR land, they can tell you to take your clothes off in the presence of others for YOUR own safety.......................shall I go on Bos??? I can list lots more instances of government overreach. Or do you truly fail to see the "subjugation" of Americans on a daily basis?
Do your own research then laugh Bos
Hay Killa, South Africia....Yup it suks now...
Submitted by upcountrywater on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:19am.
And that is what the blacks say..
It's unanimous there in Africa, bring back the colony rule.
I'm serous, man..... Say how's Rhodesia doing?
Oh wait it went POOF....
You Didn't Build That.
Boy, no ka oi, your statement
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:30am.
Boy, no ka oi, your statement is NOT going to go over very well with ol' Jason - who is fundamentally transformed - whoops, I mean opposed - to institutionalized racial segregation!!! I guess those nice people in South Africa are just going to have to keep living in a dangerous, dirty, inflated, corrupt place.............kinda like any inner city in the USA, I guess.
And Rhodesia?? We could talk to our buddy Paarl, huh??
Didn't somebody here nickname Boy Baraka as 'Barack Mugabe'??? That might drive Jason over the edge!!!
Interesting Jason*
Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:56pm.
Segregation was more than just racism. Even today, blacks tend to form communities resulting in majority black school districts. The Federal Courts are still involved in many school districts and trying to deal with the cultural identification while trying to blend schools with diversity.
I have had discussions with black educators many times over these issues. Surprisingly, many blacks have told me that quality education and graduation rates were much better for blacks before segregation. Their biggest problem, of course, was the funding, supplies, and buildings were inferior for black schools due to limited funding by white school districts local government.
Many of the black educators in these discussions were those that attended segregated schools and were now involved in the public school system. They too felt that the issue of race took priority over other issues involving the black community and education. As a result, many cultural and community issues were neglected and feel those issues are still pushed aside for "diversity". Faillure to address those "other" issues they believe is partly the cause for poor performance and low graduation rates for black students.
Having done some research on the subject, it was not surprising to find broad extremes and staunch positions on opposite ends. Rarely did I find a fair and objective view from "either" side. Among educators, however, these issues still seem to be a major part of research and development of curriculums to improve performance.
This may one day be an interesting subject of discussion here on the boards.
This is all very interesting
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:03am.
This is all very interesting (though I think it is also problematic), and I agree it would be interesting to discuss at another time.
Suffice to say for now that I find it extremely interesting that it's the conservative cohort on this board who has injected racism into this conversation, not me Apparently, it's now so expected that liberals will invoke racism in any conversation that conservatives are doing so pre-emptively.
Actually, Jason, YOU brought
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:12am.
Actually, Jason, YOU brought up aparteid and South Africa, and I don't think you're a 'conservative cohort'.........so cut the crap of trying to blame someone else.
well Jason*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:19am.
Comments coming from a labled group of southern bible toting toothless ignorant redneck tea bagging racists, I can see the confusion. Any disagreements, prior to 2008, on liberal vs conservative, had little or nothing to do with racism. But today, any opposition to Obama and his administrative policies are ALL primarily based on his skin color or so we are told. It distorts the conversations, leaves out important issues, and creates greater divide. But it also demeans the true definitions and exhibitions of racism in our country. Just like with other issues in this country outside of politics, race permeates the discussion and is a huge obstacle to finding workable solutions. Are we not all Americans? How do we stop the class warfare, race baiting, and concentrate on the real issues? How do we bring back one America and seek solutions to end our economic woes? How do we bring back capitalism, opportunity, and pride in accomplishments instead of seeing government as the end all save all solution?
The discussions about a socialist administration and the "transformation" of our country has absolutely nothing to do with racism. But we cannot get past the race baiters and the biased media enough to actually address major areas of concern for all Americans.
Ahhhhhhhhh Ms. Caj - there
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:26am.
Ahhhhhhhhh Ms. Caj - there you go again!!! Just another conservative bringing in the 'race card'!!! It's hard for the libs and progressives and Dems to make any progress in this matter because of people like you, and me!!!
Who luvs ya???
For you killa*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:41am.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PJ5FvEx9D8
Good one, Ms.
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:46am.
Good one, Ms. Caj...............and , let me ask again - who luvs ya!!! ( I always ask that to my wonderful Hawaiian grandson, and he looks at me and says 'YOU'!!!)
cajun...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:41am.
"How do we stop the class warfare, race baiting, and concentrate on the real issues?"
Stopping stuff like this would be helpful.
Jer
Which is about the same as
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:47am.
Which is about the same as the five or six guys (we're not sure if they were 'black'!!) who beat some poor white guy, cut off his penis, and then raped his white girlfriend - as payback for Trayvon 'Looks like my son' Martin??? Or the multiple other crimes, beatings, robberies, rapes, and physical abuses that have been documented as relating to the Trayvon 'Looks like my son' Martin case??
And, believe me, Jer - I DON'T agree with the sign either. But how many of these other cases have been made public - in comparison to the Florida case??
If it were my bar - the sign would say 'I don't support the phony piece of Kenyan Kow Krap in the White House'!!! I don't think that would be 'racist', would it???
agree Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:50am.
stopping stuff like this
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/nbp-zimmerman...
and this
http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2011/10/13/bloomberg-to-anti-semiti...
I'm willing to help stop it as soon as the left stops calling me names or want to make me like "julia".
Libs and Democrats are called every name in the book...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:04am.
every day of the year at this and other conservative websites, but that doesn't stop me from condemning the Mahers and Malloys of the world, or Sharpton and Jackson and the rest of the grievance hustlers and hair-trigger race baiters on the Left.
Why should your willingness to call out individuals on the Right be conditional?
Jer
Jer
Submitted by cajun2 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:18am.
You know very well that I do not approve of bigoted hatred from libs or conservatives. And I have not defended Ted Nugent. Sorry but I had to google to even find out what was his claim to fame that got him on national tv since I never heard of this guy before.
The race baiters and bigots from both sides seem to be the media darlings for some time now. The reason, regardless of the damage this causes, is totally to deflect from focus on the real issues. And that is that progressives have taken over this country and or well on their way to "transformation". Tell me honestly Jer, that you favor turning this country into a chaotic socialist hell hole. Bickering over a handful of idiot whackjobs does not interest me.
cajun...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 2:54am.
I honestly am not in favor of turning this country into a chaotic socialist hell hole.
And...the amount of interest that should be generated by the offensive rhetoric of idiot whackjobs is debatable. But NewsBusters editors/contributors certainly devote quite a bit of bandwidth to the topic.
Jer
Binky Braveheart strikes again.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:33am.
BB: I find it extremely interesting that it's the conservative cohort on this board who has injected racism into this conversation...
BB on Fri, 05/04/2012 at 10:32pm: This is a man who actually said "Apartheid isn't that cut-and-dry. All men are not created equal,"
Yes Binky, that was not intended to point out a racist style remark from 32 years ago thus injecting racism into the conversation by pointing out a racist remark a man said long ago.
Just once Binky. Just once.
Oh jeez.............'heah
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:41am.
Oh jeez.............'heah comes da judge'!!! DA VET arrives!!! Hahahahahaha!!! Give me a spell here, Vet - I need to make myself a black cherry/vodka cocktail - it's 6:40 PM over here in Asia, for Chrissakes..........whoops - for Muuuuuuuuuuuhamed's sake!!
Obviously, since you've been around here longer than a 'rookie' like me, you know more about this than I do. But I'll be back after I feed my stupid cats and mix a drink...........maybe we can continue the fun and games.
Good morning killa
Submitted by cocodrie on Sun, 05/06/2012 - 8:00am.
Don't expect a sensible answer to any question. Also don't worry, most of those pre-apartheid south africans are resting in peace.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Jason
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:51pm.
Do you think class warfare and racism are better cries? Again, you know very little about Ted Nugent, he's much more intelligent than you know.
"Suck on this bitch!" IS
Submitted by balboa on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:52pm.
"Suck on this bitch!" IS truly intelligent...
As opposed to 57 states?
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:54pm.
Please see Blondes guide to Obama's gaffes for idiocy and Bill Maher for misogyny.
Wow. That's a poor, poor
Submitted by balboa on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:55pm.
Wow. That's a poor, poor effort.
Boo.
Seemed equivilant to me.
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:02pm.
.
Maher is fair game. But how
Submitted by JasonC on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:13pm.
Maher is fair game. But how exactly are any of Obama's "gaffes" in even the same rhetorical galaxy as the sort of vitriol Maher and Nugent toss around?
Vitriol that, let's be honest here, is all that keeps them relevant.
Intelligence was brought up.
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:16pm.
BO's comments aren't intelligent. Dont take my word for it, check the gaffe list.
Really have to stop posting now.
Intelligence was brought up
Submitted by balboa on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:21pm.
Intelligence was brought up by you.
Didn't say it wasn't. Did she?
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:43am.
Other then highlighing you are the antithesis of intelligence, the crypto-dummy, what exactly was your point. CKL?
Where are "class warfare" and
Submitted by JasonC on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:06pm.
Where are "class warfare" and "racism" coming from? Are you just tossing out supposed liberal warhorse buzzwords out to see what sticks?
Nugent could be a member of Mensa, for all I know. That he's managed to be in the news a few times a year and have the sort of influence that he does and be wealthy despite being the kind of musician whose greatest hits tape is normally sold exclusively in the $1 bin at truck stops testifies that he is rather smart indeed.
However, my quoting his apartheid comment is simply to show that despite the fact that he believes shouting "Freedom" all Mel Gibson in Braveheart-like is some sort of compelling political statement, his vision of what freedom is and should be is clearly quite limited.
So maybe you could give us
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:13pm.
So maybe you could give us YOUR vision of what freedom is and should be, Mr. Obama supporter.
I get that you don't like his music
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:13pm.
Not going to debate that here, for several reasons.
You say his idea of freedom is and should be is quite clearly limited. What does that even mean? Do you know what he means by freedom? Because apart from his music you seem rather uninformed about him.
And the cry of freedom is more meaningful to me than that of racism or class warfare that BO espouses.
Catch your reply tomorrow as the hubby came up and wants me to stop tapping on my phone, and I like him more than I like you.
You've been doing this on
Submitted by JasonC on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:22pm.
You've been doing this on your phone? My hat is off to you.
I'm quite familiar with Nugent's very narrow political perspective. As for my jabs at his music...well, those are just too easy.
Obviously, it's not that I think "freedom" isn't a concept worth celebrating. But shouting it at the end of a diatribe in which you invite leaders of the free world to do untoward things with assault rifles (I know, I'm not supposed to call them that, but I'm wicked liberal), or reserving that single word to summarize a political philosophy in general is just so easy and pandering and empty. In this context, it's a catchphrase, nothing more.
Obama isn't just standing around shouting "Class Warfare!" "The rich are meanies!", which would be roughly equivalent to Nugent's approach. He has the extremely thankless job of trying to get bills passed, and rightly points out some of the imbalances in our taxation and regulatory systems in order to justify those things. Disagree with his proposed legislation as you will, but it's eminently childish to act as though he's just stamping his foot and complaining that people have money.
As for racism, I'm not sure what you're alluding to aside from his unfortunate choice of words regarding the Gates incident in summer 2009. Frankly, I didn't find his remarks on Trayvon Martin to be the least bit beyond the pale.
Boy Baraka isn't 'standing
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:36pm.
Boy Baraka isn't 'standing around shouting class warfare or the rich are meanies'...........jeez, Jason, you're either really delusional, or you are too brainwashed to see what is going on. Baraka uses class warfare on a very regular basis, as well as racial warfare, economic warfare, social warfare, and basically war on the American people and the traditional American way of life - which he disdains and thinks is illegal, immoral, and wrong. And what bills might you be mentioning, anyway?? Or what taxations and regulations?? Hell, Jason, this guy IS a walking, talking taxation and regulation machine - in case you haven't noticed. His view of America is that the Government is in charge of EVERYTHING and EVERYONE...............this is his vision for our country. What do you think all of this 'fair share' bullsh*t is about?? It's about taking the GOVERNMENT"S 'fair share' from the people who earn it and produce it, and giving it, as a 'fair share', to the people who are dependant on the governmet - and he is doing his best to increase those numbers - at least enough to get re-elected, and then all bets are off.................it just might be our last election as a Republic. In fact, if it looks like Boy Baraka might just lose this election, don't be surprised if it's cancelled for some nefarious reason.
Yeah..........if Barry Soetoro had a son, he might look like Trayvon Martin.................or maybe Muuuuuuuuuuuuuhamed Allen and that other guy who were the DC snipers from a few years ago. I'm sure that you don't think Eric (With) Holder is a racist either, do you??
And your vision of 'freedom' is what??
If you're going to continue
Submitted by JasonC on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:56pm.
If you're going to continue to insist on using belittling nicknames for the POTUS, I'm done. You're a grown man, for goodness' sake.
Not that there's much to work with here. The Martin case was suffused with racism, because Zimmerman had a confirmed history of singling out black men in his role as chief neighborhood wannabe cop. I'm not going to debate whether it was murder or self-defense for the zillionth time, but Obama is permitted to comment on an obviously racial component of a national news story. This conservative viewpoint that acknowledging the existence and historical influence of racism is somehow more damaging than the racism itself is perhaps the most twisted of the right's many distortions of reality.
Other than that...you've got nothing. A wall of text with recycled bits of paranoia and not one solid example. This could be the last election ever? Because the incumbent is a democrat you don't like who you've decided somehow resembles Mussolini in certain moments? How do you function with this sort of claptrap clanging around in your head?
Freedom is complicated as all get out, especially when you're trying to define it relative to the good ol' Social Contract that, unless libertarianism ever truly comes to pass, is what lets us be a civilization. But I can tell you that, in my view, to define freedom as being embedded in things like low income taxes, unrestricted firearms, and allowing companies to deny prescription coverage on an ideological whim is pretty facile.
Claptrap is a pretty good
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:05am.
Claptrap is a pretty good word.............coming from a true source. And you get an 'F' for your pathetic attempt at trying to get out of defining 'freedom', after spouting off about someone else's view of it.
The WHOLE POINT is that
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:11am.
The WHOLE POINT is that Nugent doesn't HAVE a "view" of it. He just shouts it at the end of radio broadcasts and then vaguely uses it to justify his hatred of Obama.
I dunno, Jason - it seems
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:23am.
I dunno, Jason - it seems that ol' Nugie is tryin' to live his life on his own terms, inasmuch as it is possible in this country, so he DOES have a viewpoint as it relates to 'freedom'............hell, I do the same thing - as a self-employed blue-collar worker who has been a 'rebel' his whole life.
I think the WHOLE POINT - as it relates to this conversation - is that Ted Nugent is a musician/property owner/gun owner/ 'right-wing' commentator, who you can pay attention to or not............whereas Barry Soetoro Baraka Hussein Obama is the President of the United States, and you risk your freedoms and liberties and ability to live as independantly as possible by NOT paying attention to him - and believe me, this guy is NOT the kind of person that I would EVER want to have to pay attention to - but I have no choice.
Poor thing.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:48am.
Binky Braveheart: ...it's not that I think "freedom" isn't a concept worth celebrating. But shouting it at the end of a diatribe...is just so easy and pandering and empty.
What, maybe he should have said "courage" at the end of every broadcast. That might satisfy you more.
Jason
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 9:50am.
Nugent isn't a politician, he's a singer (we've agreed to not go there right? :) ), so he's not going to make lengthy speeches on stage the way BO does. It's no why his audiences go to see him. But he is seeing his freedoms being taken away. On his own property the government is coming in and telling him he can no longer hold hunts of animals he imports in for the purpose. Despite what you feel about hunting, it's an infringement of his rights. He has a farm and a three legged calf was born. Normal practice is to kill the calf since it will not be able to grow and thrive. He has been told he's not allowed to kill the animal, it must be allowed to live and suffer. There are other examples, but those are just two.
In my opinion, BO is standing there stamping his foot saying some people have to much money. Remember how much is enough? Why is it fair to tax someone who is successful at increasingly high rates? Success isn't handed to anyone, it comes through hard work and sacrifice. Many people aren't willing to do that, why should they be rewarded with the wealth of those who are? That is exactly what BO is proposing with his tax legislation.
By the way, he's not working so hard at passing bills as he is at making Executive Orders. And he had two years of a Democratic Congress to pass what he wanted. He wasn't much of a compromiser then was he?
Let me fill you in on Ted Nugent, Jason
Submitted by Blonde on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 11:03am.
Nugent is one of the rare rockers who didn't drink, drug or smoke, even when young....and invested his money wisely. How do I know? Because a college friend of mine dated him for about six months while he was in between wives. He was a huge family man, and always made time, even while on the road, to talk to his kids on a daily basis.
He is also an outdoorsman. So much so that he derives quite a bit of income from that. As in writing for Outdoors magazines, television shows. He still has his music, of course, and your $1 bin comment is far off the mark.
As for his vision of freedom, it's more or less the same as mine, freedom from government intrusion into my life and my pockets. It is not the liberal version of freedom....like the OWies, who demand free "stuff" for all and every "need" they think they have.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Yes, I know these things
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:53pm.
Yes, I know these things about him too, though from VH-1 documentaries, not from personally knowing the man.
And it's super that he's a family man and all, but so are lots of liberals (including the POTUS) who get eviscerated on a daily basis on this site and other conservative outlets. That he was a good dad doesn't mitigate his particular brand of violent, unhinged lunacy, anymore than Obama getting his girls a puppy makes his bad polciy decisions better.
Yeah, good family men always send their 13 year old
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 8:44pm.
daughters off to vacation in a land that the State Department has put up travel advisories on.
Ziiiiiing---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 8:58pm.
gah !!
Libs seem to think a bisexual man makes a better father.
Not quite as good a father as two lesbian moms make; but, of course, libs think two gay men double the odds on premier fatherhood.
Only if they are allowed to marry, though.
MD
Game...Set...Match: Jason C
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:18pm.
Trophy presentation after the break.
Jer
Yeah, I pretty much rule.
Submitted by JasonC on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:35pm.
Yeah, I pretty much rule.
Yeah,
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:46pm.
Yeah, sure..................don't break your skinny arm trying to pat yourself on the back, rookie.
I was being self-deprecating.
Submitted by JasonC on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:07pm.
I was being self-deprecating. As opposed to self-depreciating. That would be a different thing.
Regardless of the merits of the argument,
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:20pm.
the "canned quarry" reference alone rendered the post prize-worthy.
Jer
"Canned quarry" actually describes ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 9:02pm.
conservatives or Republicans who appear on programs hosted by liberals.
MD
Whoa, whoa..."rookie"?!
Submitted by JasonC on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:23pm.
Whoa, whoa..."rookie"?! You'd best check our respective number of years posting on NB, big guy.
That means something?? I
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:25pm.
That means something?? I guess I was nobody until I got here...........and you were allready here, so you've got some kind of 'clout' or 'gravitas'??? You told me all I need to know about you a few posts ago, meat.
It means he's not a rookie.
Submitted by balboa on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:28pm.
It means he's not a rookie. Calm down, Ralph.
Hey Ralph, just because
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:45pm.
Hey Ralph, just because someone has been somewhere, or lived for some length of time, or done something for a while, doesn't mean anything, when compared to what they know and where they're coming from. I know a lot of 'veterans' who are basically rookies in this game called 'life'...............being clueless and delusional isn't an 'age thing'.
Deep.
Submitted by JasonC on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:58pm.
Deep.
Shallow - kiddie-end of the
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:59pm.
Shallow - kiddie-end of the pool shallow.
What Bal said, spaz. What's
Submitted by JasonC on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:36pm.
What Bal said, spaz.
What's with "meat"? Is that a Hawaii thing?
Yes, I "told you all you need to know" by giving you the shocking confession that, like millions of other Americans, I don't despise Obama. Apparently, that forecloses all further discussion. That's fine, it's late here in not-Hawaii. Good day.
What Bal says is usually
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:58pm.
What Bal says is usually inane, spaz.
'Meat' is a baseball term.............in Hawaii, you'd hear a lot worse - believe it or not, there are many people over here in the People's Republic of Asia who also think that Boy Baraka is a pure-bred (or should that be half-bred) phony - and that even includes his purported place of birth.
I'm not shocked at all by people like you - I LIVE in Obamaville, and I know a lot of libs, and I know their thought processes and their emotional tendancies and their aversion to wanting to know anything beyond what they allready think they know. And most of them refuse to entertain anything that would go against the grain of their views.
But I have seen some 'hope' over here, as a number of dyed-in-the-wool libs have actually 'confessed' to me that they made a mistake, or were 'hoodwinked', or were sold a bill of goods, or whatever other reason that they give - about Obama - because I told them where it was at BEFORE the elections, and also AFTER the selection and coronation of Barry Soetoro Baraka Hussein Obama. It's just too bad that these people (and I know there are a LOT across the country) didn't do a little homework and find out what I did - and I'm no genius or fortune-teller.
But obviously you're not one of them................which is unfortunate - you seem to have a totally different view of our country than I do...........I know there are a lot of people who 'support' Obama, but they are NOT the kind of people that I would want to have on my side, because they are followers and useful idiots - just as Karl Marx (I think, although it could have been another communist propogandist) called them. And Obama KNOWS Karl Marx!!!
Sorry Killa,
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:32am.
Jason aint no rookie, he been spoutin "big lib" here for some time!
So please, dont call him a Rook, call him committed!
Thanks for the tip,
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:38am.
Thanks for the tip, Boudin.............but actually, if a guy is a 'big lib', then he's still a 'rookie' in my book, because he doesn't live in the 'real world'............and I wouldn't want to get in a tough situation with him, because he'd be dependant on ME to get us out of it!!!
Believe me, I KNOW libs...........hell, I live in Obamaville, Barakistan, USSA............... this place is infested with them!!! I have many acquaintences - but I wouldn't call any of them 'friends', because they aren't worth it. When push comes to shove, they'll take the push AND the shove............in the name of diversity, political correctness, and 'fairness'................
Obviously,
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:52am.
Confusion should be all cleared up!
But I doubt Jason will understand how maturity and responsibility figure into it. But what do I know,,,,,,,,, I just a po country bo
Not so fast Jer
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:48pm.
Troll trophy is all Jason gets
Okay, Rad...I'll postpone the ceremony,
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:58pm.
but, please, Jason is neither ignorant nor a troll.
Jer
Kinda have to agree to disagree Jer...
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:05pm.
Again
Gotta go with Ms Rad here Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:19pm.
If Jason is a liberal, then he is either one or the other...;-)
Have you ever NOT gone with Ms Rad, cajun?
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:27pm.
:-)
Jer
Lets see Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:34pm.
Ms Rad is educated, polite, articulate. A strong and passionate conservative. Promptly sees liberal hypocrisy and bias.
Naaah, I'm still going with Ms Rad....;-)
Yep, me too Deuce
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:24am.
Besides, I like my teeth!
: ]
Bon matin Boudin
Submitted by cocodrie on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:41am.
When we agree it's a conspiracy. I enjoyed reading the threads tonight, see y'all tomorrow. Jasoncrap is back leaving his droppings all over and you can expect Jer and Bal to follow him around with a shovel insisting it don't stink.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
You got that right,
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:43am.
Predictable!
Actually you both have it wrong...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 10:14pm.
Fortunately [or unfortunately] there are archives which make mincemeat out of that particular claim. As a matter of fact Jason and I rarely post on the same thread. And on the few occasions where we have, I've only had my "shovel" out a couple of times.
I suggest "Jason and the Vet" would best characterize the overwhelming majority of the exchanges involving Jason.
Jer
Ole' cries the matador, as he once again ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 10:38pm.
sidesteps and avoids refuting a charge head on with his - "As a matter of fact Jason and I rarely post on the same thread. And on the few occasions where we have, I've only had my "shovel" out a couple of times.", and then bolsters his self-serving statement by alluding to archives that are not in evidence.
"Fortunately [or unfortunately] there are archives which make mincemeat out of that particular claim."
If the archives are not in evidence, torero, then you are submitting 'facts' that are not in evidence, either.
Man up, Jer; in for a penny, in for a pound. Support your lib buds all the way or risk looking like a fair weather friend by denying ol' JasonC before the cock crows three times.
The tale of "Jason and the Argonauts" better fits the storyline you are pushing.
MD
Jer
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 8:42am.
And I try to be honest, even when it hurts. As in Nugent's comment about HRC was wrong, despite my feelings about her. And yes, in this discussion, that hurts.
Ok Jer , Only if bk, photoshops it.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:36am.
And promises us it smells like runnun sweat and raisins.
You Didn't Build That.
I'm tellin' ya, no ka oi - it
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:39am.
I'm tellin' ya, no ka oi - it was the smell of KY jelly and amyl nitrates!!!! And the crackpipe!!!
Good morning killa
Submitted by cocodrie on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:45am.
See you tomorrow. I don't know bout that other stuff but that Kentucky jelly tastes awful on bisquits. Disgusting actually.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
You put KY jelly on bisquits,
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:51am.
You put KY jelly on bisquits, coco??? Jeez, ol' buddy - we need to talk!!! I think you've gone over your limit on beer tonight!!!
I think Boy Baraka only put KY jelly on eggrolls and springrolls and corndogs!!!
OMG
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:55am.
he dont Drink!
“Ho, killah wiffah”.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 2:35am.
You burned up the last person on the planet that can prove you did work a day in your life , shovel ready digging ice cream er some such..woops also born in Africa, ashes to the wind...
Pilau slippers, getting rained on Indonesia ain't even close.
You Didn't Build That.
JasonC is baaaaaack....
Submitted by MrShy on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:27am.
Jason, good to see you back here. Bad to see that you're the same ideologically-stuck-on-stupid liberal dork, especially when you've spent so much time at NB being schooled (and I mean that literally) by conservatives on a whole host of things you repeatedly get wrong.
"Nugent, however...a washed-up nobody with fanciful and completely extremist views..."
What political / ideological / social views does Nugent hold that you deem "extremist"?
"Seriously, given that he apparently owns dozens of high-powered weapons without any federal obstruction renders his shrieks of victimization at the hands of anti-2nd Amendment extremists pretty moot."
First off, we all admire you're hyperbole narrative of him owning this cache ("dozens") of "high-powered" weapons, lamely painting him as someone who might be unstable and shouldn't own this stuff, when he's completely within his rights to own 500 guns, should he choose.
Secondly, are you not aware that he's the bullseye for all anti-gun/NRA activists as far as celebrities, and people (like yourself) whine about his "dozens" of "high-powered" guns at every opportunity? I guess you're not.
"OH! And he got around those pesky statutory rape laws by LEGALLY ADOPTING his underage girlfriend. If you all want to get indignant and ad hominemy about misogyny and male entitlement, that pretty much takes the cake."
More hyperbole from JC, via omission of the details. This was back in the 1970's. He was 30, she was 17. She was underage by one year. He was relatively young himself. This makes him misogynistic and an example of.... male entitlement? And this example really "takes the cake"? Um, no it doesn't. I fell in love with a 16 year old girl when I was about 26. Yeah, I take the cake for.... male entitlement and misogyny??
What is the (your) definition of "male entitlement", btw? What possessed you to inject that into this Nugent tale? That's an extension of one of those "men are stronger / get paid more / where's the equality for women?!?!?" endless rants you libs love to go on, right?
"Hey Ted, tell us again about how you're a Real American and if the lib'ruls don't like it they can kiss your ass til next Tuesday and they'd better run if they see you with your big bad compound huntin' bow."
If I owned a gun, I'd tell you this myself. Again and again. Absolutely. And it would never get tired.
This antagonistic, piss ant leftist of an interviewer wanted to get under the skin of Nugent. I can't imagine why else they went out to interview him. Nugent's response was both priceless and spot on. I love the guy. And if "Nuge" is such a washed-up nobody, why are CBS camera crews trekking out to his cabin in the woods to get his take on things?
- Moroccan Shy
Join Mr. Shy and The 1* Percent
Nice post, Shy - are you
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:36am.
Nice post, Shy - are you really in Morocco??? Have you done your abolutions and prayers?? I needed a break - heck - it's black cherry/vodka hour here in the People's Republic of Hawaii, and I was going round and round with ol' Jason - who I've never met before - but apparantly he is a known quantity around here. He seems like a nice enough guy...............but he's apparantly 'all in' with regards to the lib/progressive mindset...................and he seems to have a lot more animosity towards a private citizen like Ted Nugent than he does towards a powerful guy name Obama who would sell him down the river - along with the rest of us - in a Kenyan minute!!!
Shyyyyy.... Got a video clip,er 2 for ya.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:17am.
"Nugent, however...a washed-up nobody with fanciful and completely extremist views..."
JasonC... shows up here, goes twitchy on guns, it helps to think of this video.... Channel the Ted..... this video....
Oh the following videos are for you..... Firing line 600 yards long...Happening in some undisclosed State in America.
Hay I'm very happy to pay for the rounds you pinch off, and why not make every round a tracer?
Both videos are under a minute...
Saw you on twitter, and viewed that Morocco hotel adventure.... Say did you wonder off hotel property and mingle with some of the locals in some hooka (tobacco)smoking restaurant?
Do they sell carpets made by NASA there?
Aloha from Asiamaui....upc
You Didn't Build That.
Killa & UCW & MD & Vet & .....
Submitted by MrShy on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:13am.
Hey all, and a special shout-out to my two favorite Hawaiians! :) (and Anna and I have those little islands in the Pacific marked down for our next adventure ;))
Yeah, I have to say I returned from Morocco in one piece and I'm now convinced..... islam IS the religion of peace and beauty and tranquility.
Okay, maybe not. :p But it was loads of fun, and the country is pretty westernized and modern for a predominantly muslim country (or at least Agadir and other tourist attraction cities are.) The ride from the airport to the swanky resort-hotel part of town, however, was a bit on the third-world side of things. They cater mostly to French tourists, and French is the second language there.
My web site photo was taken in a very windy sand dune along the south side of the beach -- a sort of mini-desert. That palatial home behind us belonged to some sort of local king, and there were armed guards nearby who gave us 20 minutes to quickly change wardrobes, take our pictures, and move along.
The beach is not exactly Bahamas-quality (it's too cold), and women jogging backwards in head scarves with baseball hats on top of them sort of ruins the "beach fun" vibe. So, no, other than one trip to that desert dune and one into town, we did not wonder off our hotel property all that much. The resort hotel we stayed at was sort of a world unto itself, with a spa, indoor heated pool, lounge, restaurant, five (5) pools out back with a cafe in the middle, etc..
And yes, we did hang out at a hooka bar that was in the first hotel we stayed at (we split our time in two resorts) and we filmed there as well (those scenes are at the 4:10 and 5:00 marks.)
- Shy of Arabia
Join Mr. Shy and The 1* Percent
Soo Why do you have more clothes on, than the gals?
Submitted by upcountrywater on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:27am.
hummm..
You Didn't Build That.
Maybe you didn't catch the name. It's Mr
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:47am.
SHY!
Jer
Shy...Don't you realize we're having a knock-down brawl here?
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:36am.
You're making it very difficult for me to maintain my kick-some-conservative-ass demeanor.
Jer
'Knock-down brawl', Jer???
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:45am.
'Knock-down brawl', Jer??? Please!!! You're still here - but you don't really engage in 'knock-down brawl' activities..............Jason has gone to bed, and is probably thinking about what he will say tomorrow, and Rocky Balboa??? Hell, who knows with him...............he usually doesn't say anything of value anyway, so what's the difference whether he's here or not???
Yeah, killa, I'm still here. But it's
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:49am.
cocktail time!
Aloha...
Jer
Well, Jer...........I'm kinda
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 4:10am.
Well, Jer...........I'm kinda beat - although you're obviously a few hours ahead of me!!! I had a pretty busy week - and the last three days we've been working in some squally weather............or maybe I should refer to it as Elizabeth Warren weather - a lot of SQUAWS blowing through!!!! Oh god...............somebody poke a pencil in my mind's eye!!!
And I'm looking at the prospect of NO SURF this weekend - on ANY part of the island - and I've got a brand new surfboard - which I paid for with my OWN hard-earned money - that I want to ride. I tried it last weekend in some 2-3' surf, but I want to feel it in some overhead surf with some juice and power!!!
Take care for now,
Aloha,
Killa
Poor Binky kinda missed the entire point of the article.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:22am.
Matt Hadro: CBS was aghast...on-camera outburst... So CBS took umbrage at ,,,profane outburst,,,
Binky Braveheart: Nugent, however...a washed-up nobody...completely extremist views...suggestion that the POTUS fellate his machine gun...owns dozens of high-powered weapons...shrieks of victimization ...unbelievably boring arena rock chest-thumping...any real hunter would dismiss...pesky statutory rape laws...get indignant and ad hominemy...misogyny and male entitlement....
GLOR: We have no idea where that unexpected outburst came from.
CHARLIE ROSE: Why did he go off like that?
GLOR: It’s a good question. Very good question. Kind of stunned us. Stunned our producer.
Bet they would freak the heck out
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:40am.
I they ever interviewed someone with a "real" Job, eh?
Run for Pres Ted!
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:16am.
Please!
JasonC, balboa, and Jer, dropping trou and ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:37am.
running up and down the thread playing touch peter.
Pitiful; but then they are liberals.
MD
aloha MD..........glad to see
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:42am.
aloha MD..........glad to see you've arrived!!! I was having some fun here, but I needed a couple of cocktails, and also I needed to feed my idiotic cats, and also heat up some dinner. Maybe these guys will be back tomorrow..................
They'll be back, all right, ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 2:06am.
as Jer is the house lib; bal is a house lib; and JasonC is just another drive by lib who is apparently impressed with his lib tenure on a conservative site.
Did you catch JasonC's crack about wanting to "get back to civilization" ?
Typical self important urban liberal shithead - who feels exiled when surrounded by hard working, thinking, conservative Americans in the heartland, as opposed to the liberal ass munchers he prefers to hang with.
Nice job, killa - making the "Three Amigas" piss and moan, wail, and gnash their teeth; by calling out their racist, chickenshit, s.o.b 'hero', Obama, for being the lying piece of shit he is.
If you libs can't take the heat - get the f**k off of conservative sites.
That faux outrage, coming from little kitty cats (insert your favorite argot here), is laughable.
MD
Binky Braveheart Huxley is just still mad, that's all.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 2:23am.
Huxley, writing in a 1927 issue of Harper’s, called for an aristocracy of intellect, and in a slim volume entitled Proper Studies, published the same year, he called for culling the masses through negative eugenics. “The active and intelligent oligarchies of the ideal state do not yet exist,” he told Harper’s readers, “but the Fascist party in Italy, the Communist party in Russia, the Kuomintang in China are still their inadequate precursors.” In the future, he insisted, “political democracy as now practiced, will be unknown; our descendants will want a more efficient and rational form of government.” He warned America that while it was wedded to “the old-fashioned democratic and humanitarian ideas of the eighteenth century…the force of circumstances will be too powerful for them” and they, too, would come to be governed by a new aristocracy of spirituality and intellect.
In 1931, as Huxley was composing Brave New World, he wrote newspaper articles arguing that “we must abandon democracy and allow ourselves to be ruled dictatorially by men who will compel us to do and suffer what a rational foresight demands.” It was Huxley’s view that “dictatorship and scientific propaganda may provide the only means of saving humanity from the misery of anarchy.” Many of the elements in the “brave new world” that contemporary readers find jarring actually appealed to Huxley. The sorting of individuals by type, eugenic breeding, and hierarchic leadership were policies for which he had proselytized. The problem with the world he created is the lack of spiritual insight, spiritual greatness, on the part of its leader.
Poor Binky. Here he nearly had a dictatorial man that would compel us to do and suffer. A dictator that would "fundamentally transform" America. And the dream is slowly dying because his dictatorial man may not get to be dictator after all. Sigh. No dictator. No aristocracy of the intellect. No dwindling conservatives. No culling of the dwindling conservatives. Democracy still continues to expand the world over. America still wedded to the Constitution thing of the 18th century. Sigh. Poor poor poor Binky.
MD
Submitted by stratman on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 2:29am.
Probably scared of the dark, things that go bump in the night, and itty bitty field mice.
What are the odds he still has his Re-Elect Congressman Gerry Studds button? Like true batshiite Leftists, Massachusetts re-elected this pos 6 more times after censure for his debauchery. (Never fear, the folks voted in Barney Frank just before Studds retired so Massachusetts reprobates continued to have a representaive in the House)
strat ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 2:41am.
Dem politicos:
Hate, berate, pontificate, equivocate, skate, and fornicate.
Reprobates indeed.
MD
Signify...............testify
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 2:50am.
Signify...............testify............flappify...........and falsify!!!! And rectalfy!!!
"If you libs can't take the heat-get the f**k off conservative
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 2:37am.
sites"
...says the li'l sissy to three guys who among them have posted thousands of comments over an aggregate seventeen years at NewsBusters.
Hilarious.
Jer
Hilarious, indeed, Jer, that you consider ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 2:45am.
liberals whining, puling, mewling, and making fools of themselves for seventeen years on a conservative site as a badge of honor.
Oh, that's right - you guys think Obama is aces.
Too funny.
MD
Not a badge of honor, but compelling evidence
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:16am.
that we don't flinch at being on the short end of 20-1 odds.
Once in a blue moon, three [that's T-H-R-E-E] libs take similar positions and express a modicum of mutual support on a single thread, and you become a nervous nellie frantically sounding the "Barbarians At The Gate" alarm.
Yes, NewsBusters is under siege. Run for your life.
Jer
If you need help to make your argument...
Submitted by poseA on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 10:26am.
If you need help to make your argument, you shouldn't have posed it in the first place.
I rarely comment on Conservative or Classical Liberal sites like NewsBusters.
If one cannot defend his position from all sides, it's not worthy.
That's why I'd rather argue than hang out in the echo chamber.
Jer, most thick-headed lefty libs won't even flinch if ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 9:29pm.
you skull 'em with a baseball bat.
In actuality, Jer, I am not the least bit bit nervous about three like-minded liberals on a conservative site kissing each other's asses; it's funny, if not absolutely essential to lib survival around here while pushing poppycock, shoveling shit, and lamenting liberals being treated as fools because they either can't see, or ignore, what a flaming disaster, SCOAMF, and PLRBFSOBPOS who is their hero, actually is.
None are so blind --- etc, etc.
But then, you are always on when it comes to being funny - second only to playing footsie with lib jerk-offs who stumble onto these threads to spout their silliness.
One lefty to brother liberals; I know you can't help yourself.
MD
Aces?
Submitted by djwolf12 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:27am.
Nah, Communist scumbag is more like it. Just like his hired henchman, David Axelfraud.
Slathering lib fest for sure matthewdean...
Submitted by upcountrywater on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:58am.
Did Jer bust out the seniority card on this thread?
oh he didn't ...now that's a first....
I'm hanging back to see if Vet N' JC swap a few posts...
oh well
Each day I show up here It's still a Disqus free zone.
If this keeps up I may need to change my tagline
You Didn't Build That.
upcountry ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 2:16am.
That may have been JasonC who punched in with the 'so' authoritative 'how long I been around' business.
Not too impressive.
Even if he is an heroic liberal icon to
gerbiljer-bal. :o)MD
OMO!
Submitted by stratman on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 2:36am.
Best line of the day.
Wow, guys!! Thanks for
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 2:48am.
Wow, guys!! Thanks for 'getting my back'!!! I was kind of intimidated and apprehensive, after ol' Jason told me that he had been on NewsBusters a LOT longer than I had!!!! I mean- I had to mix another black cherry/vodka!!! Sh*t!!! I was just a total neophyte............a freshman............an innocent virgin..................a political nobody..............who knew NOTHING about the 'real world' - two years ago when I decided to finally - after mustering up ALL the courage that I could gather - to sign on to NB!!!
And then I run into a heavyweight like Jason................who basically SCHOOLS me and takes me to the woodshed!!!! And with the help of Rocky Balboa, and even my old buddy Jer,. to a lesser degree - although I still think that Jer should be embarrassed to be associated with guys like Jason/Spaz and Rocky/Ralph.. But that's just my opinion.............and I'm a naive lightweight!!
We'll see what tomorrow brings..............but I know I won't be changing my tune. Of course, that's because I"m a hard-headed, narrow-minded, intolerant, right-wing BIGOT!!! And quite proud of it!!! I'd take Nugie for a surf, and then we could do some target practice afterwards.........and then 'jam' on some rock'n'roll all night - and trade stories!!!
Of course, all of this would be 'below' guys like Jason and Balboa, who look down their noses at us 'folks'......................
killa. Intimidated. Now ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 2:57am.
THAT's funny. :o)
MD
➚ jer-bal ?
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 9:37pm.
Is that like when the Power Rangers put their rings together?
Not even close.
Submitted by stratman on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 9:45pm.
Not even close.
No, ucw...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 2:44am.
but you'll probably misconstrue my comment just posted above yours as "busting" it out, since you have misconstrued similar remarks in the past.
Jer
Explanation At End Of Rose-Glor Bantering
Submitted by stratman on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 2:09am.
Nugent went to the ER for a kidney stone after the interview. The pain from a stone can turn a sweet little old grandmother into Attila the Hun and be sufficient explanation for his terse words.
Either the video should not have aired or it should have been prefaced early on the painful condition Nugent was operating under. But the propaganda value for the Left was strong.
Fur sure Strat, As if the lib CBS video, is fair N'balanced
Submitted by upcountrywater on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 2:54am.
Who knows that may be clips from 8 hours of video.. Bitchen the way they left off the apology interaction with the offended female jerno person.
You Didn't Build That.
No no no...Ted buckled under
Submitted by maxvolt on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 8:48am.
No no no...Ted buckled under pressure and he shouldnt have...he should have absolutely insulted every one of those weasels..they were there for one reason and one reason alone, we all know that,so I would have had no problem with Ted if he stood up and urinated on Glor, then apologized and explained that by the way Glor was acting "like a porcelian God", he mistook him for a urinal...and his little dog producer Too! You should not ever give a crap about these liberal faux jorno's..THEY ARE THE ENEMY..TREAT THEM AS SUCH.
Well.......Uncle Ted may be crazy.......
Submitted by djwolf12 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:25am.
but This Uncle Ted never ate fido.
I'm a damn nice guy
Submitted by tcm14 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:30am.
That has been my experience with conservatives, that they are the nicest people on Earth; liberal journalists just like to poke them with a stick to get a reaction and then use it to say conservatives are crazy.
Agreed...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:42am.
And let me add that y'all make excellent house pets as well.
Jer
Where's my kitty litter???
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:47am.
Where's my kitty litter???
I've been meaning to talk to you about that...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:59am.
you've obviously had problems locating it.
Jer
Glor Knew exactly what he was doing.
Submitted by maxvolt on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 8:41am.
Watching the video is actually very telling, Glor smuggly sets him up, by insulting him to his face and then waits as Ted winds up and knocks him and his smart ass producer out of the park in the most direct way Ted knows how...points out his work and then tells them to go F them selves...Amen Ted.
If it were me , I would have asked Glor if the male prostitute he frequented the night before had not satisfied him enough and if that was why he was a acting like a snot nose little girl...let them edit that out. Most of these faux jorno's have no idea how to dig themselves out of similar attacks...so have fun...wind up and make em squirm.
Not quite...
Submitted by poseA on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 10:19am.
ROSE: When he said it's always been like this, what did he mean?
GLOR: He meant that he's always been provocative, he’s always been loud, he’s always caused controversy.
No, imbeciles What he meant was that various federal agencies and so called journalists have attempted to silence him through regulation, trumped up charges, agitprop, and the court of public opinion for decades.
Wow, gang's all here. Hi
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 10:54am.
Wow, gang's all here. Hi everyone. Cursory replies:
Killa: Once and for all, I thought that by calling me "rookie" you were suggesting that I'm a newbie on NB. Which is the only reason I pointed out that I've been commenting here for a long time. Certainly did not mean to get into a brouhaha about life experience and whether or not I would be afraid of your father. That just got weird. Furthermore, I am not going to debate apartheid with you. There were also slaves in the American south who wished to stay on the plantations after they were emancipated. That certainly runs contrary to our conventional narrative of the mid-19th century, eh? But it doesn't mean slavery was okay as an institution, and that's not what I'm arguing anyway. I'm taking issue with justifying apartheid, as Nuge did, by dismissing the idea of human equality. When he said it is immaterial. Aside from making threats to a sitting president and SoS, everything noteworthy that he's done was at least 30 years ago, so no big surprise there.
Radical: May I please have a link to Nugent being disallowed from euthanizing a calf with birth defects born on his property? Because believe it or not, I do have some knowledge of what goes on on working farms, and that sounds completely outrageous; though I'd be curious as to how he would trace it back to Obama and Clinton. As for restrictions on what animals he can or cannot import for his canned hunting amusement park, no; that is NOT an infringement on his rights. That is a preservation of some of those animals' rights.
Shy: My point isn't that owning so many firearms isn't a sign of instability, though of course I personally can't see the appeal. My point is that the fact that he DOES own them seems to run counter to his personal narrative that anti-2nd Amendment zealots are undermining his right to do so at every turn. I'm perfectly aware of the circumstances surrounding Nugent's adoption. Doesn't make it any less creepy, and if he was a liberal talking head you would absolutely eviscerate him for it. But finally, even though a compound bow is not the same as a gun, I'll be sure to be extra careful next time I'm in Manhattan. Message board bravado. I'm shaking in my boots.
To everyone else: If you're going to routinely accuse liberals of being overly offended by every little thing, perhaps you should try not to get so worked up about a remark as benign as "I can't wait to get back to civilization." Obviously, I don't think rural American is uncivilized. I wouldn't have committed to living here for several years if I didn't like it. I just prefer a city. Meanwhile, matthewdean insults millions upon millions of city-dwelling Americans by cramming them all into a stereotypical insult that culminates with "ass-munching"...but that's just fine? Yeah, no one works hard in cities. Those teeming metropolises that are the locus of finance and culture just maintain themselves.
Jason
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 11:17am.
Please bear with me as I'm on my iPod taking a break from Saturday cleaning. I don't know if I can find a link about the calf, but it was discussed on Beck's program. I doubt I'll be able to find a different link as it's not a big story, but I'll look later.
If municipalities can stock streams and rivers for fishing why can't a citizen import animals for hunting? Hunting is legal? Why is the government involved?
So any individual should just
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 11:39am.
If the calf thing is true, then I'm actually sympathetic to Nugent. That's a ridiculous thing for gov't to insert itself into. But I'm dubious about it, even more so now that I hear Beck may have been the one who broke the story.
So any individual should just be able to import any exotic animal they please, enclose it inside a few hundred acres, and charge tourists a few hundred bucks to shoot arrows at it?
Or even forget the hunting part. My rights are being trampled if a government agency says I can't keep an alpaca and a polar bear in my back yard, even if I'm willing to pay the costs involved? I wanna make them fight each other. I'm an American, it's my right!
On a more philosophical note, I find it abhorrent to put animals in an enclosed area in which they have basically no chance of competing with a cadre of bow or firearm-wielding hunters. At least in real hunting, they're in their natural habitat. But still, do you know how unlikely a kill shot is? With a gun very unlikely, with a bow almost impossible. Those animals suffer. I'm no fan of meat consumption period, but at least in a farming context it's possible to kill them with almost no pain. We may have dominion over the earth and animals, but it's our responsibility to treat them with dignity. Even Conservapedia agrees with me on this one:
http://www.conservapedia.com/Vegetarianism#Biblical_issues
I'm sure this post will result in a deluge of flames informing me that I'm ignorant about hunting or a pantywaist tree-hugging animal rights wacko, so I'll depart for now and hesitantly check back in tonight.
Jason
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 11:42am.
Not talking exotic animals, some type of boar. Nugent uses a bow and arrow for these hunts, and they are charity events. He takes war vets on hunts, and sick children who are hunters and requested it. The animals are not shot and left to suffer, they are tracked, killed, and consumed. You may find it offensive but it's part of the culture of some Americans, and is legal.
That's really nice that he
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 11:49am.
That's really nice that he does it for charity (not being sarcastic) and I wouldn't suggest it should be made illegal.
But if he is able to conduct these hunts, then what are we even arguing about? Clearly, he is unfettered enough by laws and regulations to run his canned hunts as he sees fit. But it's a huge infringement on his rights that regulations about displacing wild animals into hunting facilities exist?
Should we also discard rules about what size a striped bass must be in order to be kept? Or how many points a buck must have to be picked off with a high-powered optically-enhanced rifle? These rules and regulations exist for reasons other than the smug self-satisfaction of animal rights proponents.
Jason
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:01pm.
Recently Nugent was told he must go out and kill the boars because they were feril or something. They obviously weren't since he imported them onto his property. I think the government just decided he's on the harassment list, so they stopped him. They technically weren't wild animals as they were raised for this purpose, the same way fish are raised to stock streams.
The point of regulations in the wild is to prevent decimating the population of a wild animal. Not the case here.
Gotcha.
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:06pm.
Gotcha.
Jason
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 8:07pm.
Want to talk about Nugent's music now?
Just kidding.
Good morning Rad
Submitted by cocodrie on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:11pm.
I think that Ted believes that the feds will set him up just as they did at Ruby Ridge if the one gets reelected. That's what Ted meant when he said he won't be alive. The feds are already laying the groundwork,they see it as a shovel ready job. If anyone thinks this is too far out, look at the gunwalker scandal that the rinos are pussyfooting around. Brave americans are dead because the rinos belong to the same club as the democrats.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Wild Boars*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:06pm.
The hunting of wild boars is not only a sport but a necessity. They are very dangerous and aggressive and are found in almost every state. I put sport hunting of wild boar in the same category as salvaging ship wrecks. A necessary action is used by entrepenuers into a capitalist venture. Nothing wrong with that. There are many activities throughout the country like boar hunting, aligator hunts and others that are born of necessity as well as having become a part of the local culture. Not counting the receipes..;-)
Every such activity is monitored by various regulatory agencies. Some of these regs are to the point of idiocy as is typical of the feds. An example of hypocrisy is the recent decision to allow one specific Native American tribe to legally hunt a protected bald eagle. The regs were determined to be a violation of the tribes religious expression. How interesting that the feds would alloow an endangered protected species to be killed for religious protection yet this same federal government has begun a war on Catholics for trying to protect their religious beliefs.
And you wonder why Ted gets angry..
Good evening Cajun
Submitted by cocodrie on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:13pm.
Bullseye. Come memorial day I'm going with my son (he's in remission and doing well, thenks for the prayer) to shoot his garrand. Used to hunt varmints myself but now I just heckle 'em on here.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Coco
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:19pm.
I have no doubt Nugent is correct. This administration has proven it has no love for the Constitution, dissent, or the rule of law.
Good evening Rad
Submitted by cocodrie on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:30pm.
I know it sounds paranoid but the trail of bodies in the wake of LBJ, The Warren Commission, Clinton and several others tells me he'd better watch his back. The present parade of bodies are just beginning to surface.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Coco
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:34pm.
If you look at the power BO has taken, it's not paranoid at all. We aren't allowed to demonstrate in front of the secret service anymore, which means in front of BO. He has the power to shut down the internet, phone service, and confiscate property and labor of the citizens by declaring an undefined emergency.
It's not paranoid, it's aware. And most of the country will be shocked when they look up from his awesome face and see what is behind the mask.
Didn't that bill go through
Submitted by balboa on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:48pm.
Didn't that bill go through Congress?
And?
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:50pm.
.
So it's people on both sides
Submitted by balboa on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:54pm.
So it's people on both sides of the aisle, not just Obama.
"Executive orders" bal, are not BILLS!!
Submitted by BEGRUNT on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:19pm.
Zero is ruling by fiat, i.e. "Executive Orders", NO congressional oversight......"Stroke of the pen, law of the land" And we have no reason to fear him??
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
You can't expect Balboa, or
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:36pm.
You can't expect Balboa, or Jason - for that matter - to know this stuff, or even WANT to know about it, BEGRUNTLED. Hell, Jason was complainin' (Obamaspeak) last night about how 'thankless' and hard it is for Boy Baraka to get any of his bills passed.........of course, he never did give any indication as to what 'bills' he was talkin' about. And the ones that HAVE been passed are disasters...........and since he lost total control of Congress in 2010, it's become more and more about the executive orders and circumventing Congress, the Constitution, AND the will of the American people.
But Jason says that he thinks Barry Soetoro Baraka Hussein Obama has been a 'pretty good president'...................and I'd be interested in knowing why he says this.
I was obviously talking about
Submitted by balboa on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 4:48pm.
I was obviously talking about a bill and not an executive order.
Where did you get "bill" out of.....
Submitted by BEGRUNT on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 4:54pm.
ANY of the above conversation?? The point was being made that Zero has no love for the constitution, and is circumventing congress. No one said jack about a bill, except YOU!!
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
I did some research. The
Submitted by balboa on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 11:24pm.
I did some research. The banning of protesting in the presence of Secret Service was not an executive order. That is where I got "bill."
Trust me, I've never held the GOP blameless
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 4:21pm.
But BO is signing the bills, and some were done by EO.
Well Balboa*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 11:40pm.
I hope this is where you did your research
http://1461days.blogspot.com/2009/01/current-list-of-president-obamas.html
keep up Bal - which bill?f
Submitted by cocodrie on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 2:00pm.
It's the executive orders that are so dangerous. You do know what an executive order is I hope.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
coco
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:29pm.
Methinks you HOPE for too much.
Not likely he will CHANGE either.
moi aussi coco*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:31pm.
Cajun is too old to ramble in the briars and the bushes. So, like you, I find hunting trolls a nice substitute
Best to your son who I am sure is a fine man like his dad.
Poor Binky with his one ball
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:02pm.
Poor Binky with his one ball juggling act trying so desparately to impress us all.
Binky Braveheart: ...I find it abhorrent to put animals in an enclosed area in which they have basically no chance of competing with a cadre of bow or firearm-wielding hunters.
I would stay out of the meat aisle in your local grocery mart if I were you Binky. Everything that ended up there started out in an enclosed area in which they have basically no chance before they were slaughtered. Or go there and cry. Whatever.
Oh, I do the latter. The
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:10pm.
Oh, I do the latter. The meat counter employees at Hy-Vee were a little creeped out at first, but now they just ignore me.
Calf story
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:25pm.
Here's a link, maybe not an unbiased one, but a link all the same.
http://gaybinator.wordpress.com/2012/04/28/uncle-ted-outrunning-the-cruc...
"Not unbiased" is a bit of an
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:10pm.
"Not unbiased" is a bit of an understatement. I just don't buy this. I've been involved in working farms in communities with waaay heavier regulation than Nuge's neck of the woods, and the idea that you can't euthanize a suffering livestock animal is ridiculous. If it really happened this way, then I agree, it's a travesty. But Nuge has got to be exaggerating this, it just doesn't add up.
Also...Beck interviewing Nugent...*full body shudder*. I need some sort of anti-bombast scrubber for my brain.
Heres the just some of the transcript..
Submitted by upcountrywater on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 4:02pm.
NUGENT: Because the federal government for a long, long time has been trying, increasing the net of felonies, what qualifies as a felony. Do you know that the humane society of the United States somehow convinced some soulless people in Pennsylvania that killing a deer illegally is now a felon, a felony. A felony.
GLENN: Can you talk about ‑‑
NUGENT: Now, I’m all for management of wildlife, I think you should stop poaching, I think you have to abide by the law. Even the goofy laws. Until you change a goofy law, you have to abide by it. But some of these laws are indescribably bizarre and illogical.
GLENN: You describe one more law, I’ve got to go in about a minute, but describe one more thing that is happening on your ranch here in Texas that is not, it’s not illogical. It is ‑‑ it’s inhumane.
NUGENT: Yes. I ‑‑ the scimitar‑horned oryx was brought to Texas landowners, private land, many years ago because it’s a magnificent animal and it was endangered in Africa. It is no longer endangered. We put a value on it where we harvest the surplus bulls and we went from like 1200 to 20,000‑something oryx, more than stabilizing the herd because they’re valuable to landowners. The federal government sided with an animal rights maniac to ban the hunting. I have to get federal permits to touch my thriving, growing, healthy heard of oryx. There was a ‑‑
GLENN: And if you leave them alone, if you leave them alone, it’s like bunny rabbits. They will overrun everything.
NUGENT: They will eat everything and all life will cease. It will be a moonscape.
GLENN: Okay.
NUGENT: That’s why the annual season of harvest is a stewardship duty. So I have a crippled calf oryx that has three legs that is all gaunt and my wife and I are watching it slowly die. But if I were to do the right thing and dispatch this animal, put it out of its misery, I would be a felon, Glenn.
You Didn't Build That.
Jason
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 8:03pm.
I believe it is not a cow calf, but some protected species Nugent raises, which is why the killing is prohibited. I found a mention of it in a very sarcastic way on a leftist blog, but it also does not confirm the story.
JasonC. A lib moves to the country, shares his city slickerness
Submitted by upcountrywater on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:37pm.
But still, do you know how unlikely a kill shot is? With a gun very unlikely, with a bow almost impossible.
Never heard of a lung shot?
There you are waist deep surrounded by folks that like act (so you think) like this: hunters love the sounds of nature the crying, bleating and thrashing sounds from WOUNDED animals.
To hunt in Colorado it's 80 pages of BS to fill out... When I was a kid, just let them know what the sex was .... Many whinny things like this now....
A lighted arrow nock is illegal in two or three states.
Nuthun better than having these guys traipsing down your driveway at night with flash lights.
Game wardens, sworn under oath to uphold and enforce the US Constitution, can violate the fourth Amendment at will, break into private property including a US citizen’s home or hunting lodge, and conduct a search without just cause or a valid search warrant.
Watch out what you eat, there Mr.Bible User... Acts 15:29 ..condemns the consumption of food sacrificed to idols, not just meat.
Say what are you doing in the woods, hand feeding birth control to the cute deer?
Be free! and remember a snake bite is natural.
You Didn't Build That.
Jasoncrap
Submitted by cocodrie on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 11:21am.
Still pretending that the droppings you spread around here don't stink. They stink just as much as you do. Maybe when you get out of 3rd grade you'll realize how juvenile your inane ramblings are.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
That's JasonCrap. The C is
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 11:28am.
That's JasonCrap. The C is capitalized.
I'm doing my best to make some points to explain my liberalism. I'll stop doing so if people stop responding to it and asking me to clarify (or just broadly insulting a huge percentage of Americans because they dare to live in cities and vote D; either way). You rush in with poop jokes. But I'm the one acting like a 3rd grader? Good show.
It's no joke jasoncrap
Submitted by cocodrie on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 11:34am.
You really do stink up the site and I'll give you a democrat apology.
I'm sorry that you are less intelligent than a 3rd grader and I'm sorry that democrats are so stupid and anti-american.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
It's so funny that you act so
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 11:45am.
It's so funny that you act so petty and judgmental and then conclude with your Jesus tagline. Why don't you take His example and display a little dignity and kindness?
Of course, it's not like you would think He was so great if He lived today, anyway. Modern conservatism is completely at odds with His teachings and philosophies. When was the last time a conservative quoted the Bible to make a point about anything other than homosexuality or birth control?
If a conservative cites Jesus
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 11:53am.
He's immediately mocked or demonized as a religious zealot. Conservatives are completely in line with the teachings of Christ. We believe in helping others ourselves, not expecting the government to do it. Did you take note of how much more charitable giving there is among conservatives versus liberals?
And Jesus expected us to follow the Ten Commandments. Don't kid yourself, they weren't revoked.
No, what conservatives are
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:01pm.
No, what conservatives are mocked for is vaguely citing Jesus in order to promote petty, discriminatory politics that Jesus would never have approved of. You can't tell me there isn't something deeply ironic about Coco's two posts to me concluding with an allusion to John or Corinthians.
Cite something that Jesus actually said or believed, and make a legitimate connection to contemporary issues with it, and I will totally respect you even if I don't share your faith.
Do you have an example of that?
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:30pm.
It seems to me liberals are the ones using Jesus to promote policies he wouldn't have gotten involved with.
I completely disagree.
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:13pm.
I completely disagree. Liberals policy advocates could rather easily cite Christianity in order to, for instance, justify welfare and other wealth-distribution schemes, but this rarely happens, because liberals tend not to lean on millenia-old mythology to support their ideologies. Nonetheless, such schemes seem much more in keeping with Jesus' style than, say, wanting homosexuals to be kept marginalized and regarded as aberrant.
WRONG
Submitted by cocodrie on Sun, 05/06/2012 - 7:34am.
In christianity we are told to share with one another. During our recovery from Katrina churches from all over, including mormons and jewish, came here to share with us. Not one of your liberal homosexual, racial activist, agnostic, or atheistic groups showed up.
Government, through welfare and wealth redistribution, steals from working people and gives it to those that refuse to work after keeping a large portion to enrich the overseers.
At no time did Jesus say that homosexuality was anything other than what scripture says it is,- an abomination,
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
They will only
Submitted by Boudin on Sun, 05/06/2012 - 9:01pm.
Take that 'separation of Church and State' "clause" so far,
"other wealth-distribution schemes"?
Submitted by UpNorth on Sun, 05/06/2012 - 8:48pm.
I think that "Thou shalt not steal" pretty well covers wealth redistribution schemes. But, maybe you can explain to this bitter clinger why I'm wrong?
right on upnorth*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 05/06/2012 - 8:56pm.
And lets ask Iknownothing why a "millenia old mythology" still exists but global warming no longer has followers?
Jason
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sun, 05/06/2012 - 9:04pm.
In other words, you have no examples.
jasoncrap
Submitted by cocodrie on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 11:56am.
Scripture doesn't tell me that I have to put up with vermin like you. You obviously know nothing about conservatism, Jesus or the bible. Maybe when you grow up you can try to learn a few things.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
In fact I do. No you don't
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:04pm.
In fact I do.
No you don't have to "put up with me," but I wasn't addressing you in the first place. You chose to jump in with scatological insults. Which verse was it in which Jesus taunts Pilate with poop jokes?
This from a grown man with his one ball
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:09pm.
This from a grown man with his one ball juggling act whose first comment here mentioned kissing ass.
Well that's a little unfair,
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:12pm.
Well that's a little unfair, since I was paraphrasing a man who is the subject of this forum and routinely tells people to kiss his ass if not to suck on his machine gun.
Wait. Wait here and hold your one ball
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:18pm.
Wait. Wait here and hold your one ball, don't juggle. Wait.
I had to go stand in front of my freezer full of beef and chicken to build up tears before I pondered how unfair I was in misspeaking about your misparaphrasing. I apologize now to the boys and girls for being so unfair. OK. Back to the freezer, tears dried up.
Your juvenile stupidity
Submitted by cocodrie on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:20pm.
Your juvenile stupidity and ignorance of scripture.is exposed by this question.
Again, I'm sorry that you are so infantile and disruptive.
Jesus said that I have to love you so I pray for your well being and for your salvation. But don't expect me to like you because He didn't tell me I have to like you.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
I think my irony gland just
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:24pm.
I think my irony gland just burst after reading a sentence in which YOU accuse ME of being juvenile, infantile, and disruptive.
But okay, please show me how I am ignorant of scripture concerning things that Christ himself said and did. Chapter & Verse, if you please.
Exodus 20:16
Submitted by cocodrie on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:39pm.
"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor"
.Getting it down to your level - DON'T LIE.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
So I ask for a citation from
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 2:57pm.
So I ask for a citation from Jesus Christ and you cite . . . Exodus?
Huh.
The commandments are what
Submitted by cocodrie on Sun, 05/06/2012 - 7:19am.
The commandments are what Jesus told us to keep. You can't be that dense can you? Maybe you don't believe that they apply to you.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
It's like reading a
Submitted by balboa on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:27pm.
It's like reading a caricature.
Or a transcript of a murder trial.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:39pm.
Whoops. Sorry. You would not know anything about that. They have not released the transcript of Joanne Chesimard's, your one true love. But you make your declarations of her innocence, mmmmmmkay?
Good evening Vet
Submitted by cocodrie on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:00pm.
I have to go so I'll leave you with the dustbin twins.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Post number 126
Submitted by cocodrie on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:56pm.
jasoncrap's shadow speaks. One juvie speaks and the other swears to it. Glad I.m wearing my cajun reboks. Glad to see the peanut galley still sticks together,. Where's shawn?
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Wow. Binky is not all there. With only one ball
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 11:47am.
Wow. Binky is not all there. With only one ball to juggle, trying to impress us with his new talent. 6 years. Stll can't fill out the subject line. Don't worry Binky. That will finally go away with Disqus.
Binky Braveheart:...the dwindling, arcane, right wing has.... ~ And what people are willing to self-identify as is different from what their votes and views actually align them with.
++++
Oh my. Look at that. Actual polling data. Yeah Binky, sit there, piss on my leg, and tell me it is raining. Then tell us to trust you on the rest of the crap you spew here.
I already addressed this
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 11:56am.
I already addressed this above. If there's one thing conservatives have succeeded at, it's making "Conservative" a badge of honor and "Liberal" an embarrassingly dirty word, even to those who hold liberal views. Maybe it's because creating slang like Libtard is just easier. Conservatard doesn't have quite the same ring.
Nonetheless, I am way way less interested in what people pick as self-identifying labels than in the fact that rigid conservative ideals are falling out of fashion and that ideals typically regarded as liberal are becoming more and more the norm, even among those who may identify as "conservative." This is apparent in every aspect of our culture, and perhaps exemplified by the fact that Romney is the GOP nominee.
Binkytalk to English translator requested.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:05pm.
Binkytalk to English translation: I lied again. Thought you would not check. Solly. And now I will make it all wordy to try and distract from my lies.
Well, that's not very
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:15pm.
Well, that's not very realistic. "Thought you would not check"? You check everything and post your results accordingly. I know that pretty well.
Doesn't change my claim though. What essentially useless label a person identifies with and the direction that the nation and our ideology is clearly moving in are two different things. You can keep calling me a liar though, that's cool too.
Whatever.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:26pm.
Repeat. Second time. Find the post where I quoted it yourself. ...
67 percent of those who voted Republican said they were conservative, up from 58 percent two years earlier and 48 percent ten years ago.
UP from TWO YEARS AGO.
UP FROM TEN YEARS AGO.
Repeat. Second time. Find the post where I quoted it yourself.
Conservatives in the United States are on track to record their highest annual statistics in the Gallup poll’s 18-year history of measuring conservative/liberal ideologies.
on track to record their HIGHEST ANNUAL statistics in Gallup polls.
I call a spade a spade.
LIAR.
Sorry Jason*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 12:43pm.
Conservatives did not make "liberal" a dirty word. Liberals have done that to themselves
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/have-you-seen-the-photo-of-the-wall-stre...
http://www.9news.com/news/photo-gallery.aspx?storyid=236959
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2046586/Occupy-Wall-Street-Shock...
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/11/16/dozens-of-hypodermic-needles-foun...
First of all, I am NOT an OWS
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:17pm.
First of all, I am NOT an OWS sympathizer, so please don't conflate my liberalism with that crowd. Second, while you provide some pretty damning evidence, I'm talking about Conservative Pride vs. Liberal Shame that goes back to the early 70s.
sorry Jason*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:36pm.
Don't know how old you are but liberal shame goes back to the late 50's and early 60's. I was there to witness pretty much what the OWS are doing today. Slobs, spoiled brats, drug addicts, all things free, "free love", wastful pigs, and anti anything with rules and boundaries. Back then, the "hippies" just wanted peace but were totally against "the man". But then, there were also those during those days that believed their agenda was so important using bombs, setting fires, destroying businesses were acceptable means. A man like Bill Ayres who, after all these years, is back giving advice to todays OWS/hippies. My my, history does repeat itself. Well it does for those of us old enough that we lived through it not those so young that they only have information from distorted history books and educators skilled in endoctrination.
I'm 36, so my understanding
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 4:00pm.
I'm 36, so my understanding of the 60s is pretty much limited to parental nostalgia, Forrest Gump, and the raving man who clearly did one too many acid hits and used to stand on the corner (in my former, urban neighborhood) shouting about aliens and rainbows.
None of these things make that era seem appealing.
Since people like terrorist Bill Ayers
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 4:40pm.
are so close to our sitting president, it would benefit you to look into those era's and the people involved.
You're only 36, Jason?? OK, I
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 11:41pm.
You're only 36, Jason?? OK, I rescind my 'rookie' remark - you're a whippersnapper!!! Come back in another 10-15 years and talk to me...........I guaran-damn-tee you that the discussion will have a different tone to it, unless, of course, you're a government employee, or a college professor, or a trust-funder who never knew what it was like to work for a living.
And actually, the 60's were pretty good - at least for me - and I think you may have noticed that the copious amounts of LSD I did back then had NO effect on me whatsoever, because we could get the 'real' stuff back in those days. And I lived right on the beach and surfed my brains out, with no real sense of responsibility. And ...........oh yeah..........the 'free love' thing????
Of course, I never bought into the Timothy Leary crap, or the 'psychedlic' groovy peace and love crap - beyond how far it would go at any particular time.............and I never went out there and burned my draft card, or stuck a flower down the end of a rifle being held my the military, or wanted to be some kind of 'student radical' like the SDS or any of those other commie organizations. Hell, when I was going to the University of Hawaii, that sawed-off cretin Neil Abercrombie - who I refer to as Neil Uber-commie - was a student rabble-rouser at the time, and was a mentor to your Boy Barry Soetoro Baraka Hussein Obama's mother and father, and also connected to Franklin James, who was Obama's 'black' commie mentor, after his deadbeat commie moooooooooooooslem purported father (do we really know if that was his father?? Maybe it was Malcom X, who was in Seattle with Obama's mother about 9 months before he was born - somewhere!!)...........and also his lover during Obama's teenage years in Honolulu.
I though those types of people were insidious and dangerous.................and look how right I was!!! And in this case, I hate it when I'm right!!! As Pogo used to say - 'we have met the enemy, and it is us'!!!
And, actually - I think that this country still had a much better chance of having a better future back then - regardless of the Vietnam War, or LBJ with his 'beginning of the end' social policies, or the commies infiltrating the system that they dispised so much, with the plan and idea to overtake it - which they have done - then we do now. Because now we have the end result of all of that 30's and 60's socialism, communism, Marxism, stateism, and the worst of ever other type of government control, all wrapped up into One Big Ass Mistake, America!!! And guys like you............rookies, whippersnappers, dummies, suicidal lemmings..........are content to buy into the whole lie and roll over and allow it to continue.
You made a somewhat disparaging remark about my Father..........but it's probably good that he is deceased, because he'd probably die of heartache if he saw what was happening to this country anymore - and he could see the writing on the wall back in those days - I remember a lot of the things he told me.
The fact that idiots voted for, or will continue to vote for, Boy Baraka wouldn't bother me too much - since they want to basically screw themselves..............but what really rankles my ass is that they are also screwing me, my compatriots, and the country at the same time.
Oh, so you're not including our entire...
Submitted by Order270 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:36pm.
...Politically Correct culture?
Animals have rights? Who knew?
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 11:16am.
Where are those "rights" enumerated? Do animals have a Declaration of Independence? A Constitution?
And, cities are the center of finance and culture? I guess those "rural" folks in flyover country must bow toward NYC 5 times a day? Or would that be Bahston? "Teeming metropolises"? What's next, "huddled masses, yearning to breathe free"? Come to think of it, with the commonality of governing typical in cities, that's probably true.
Just responding to MD's
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 11:25am.
Just responding to MD's implication that it's only real work if it looks like something out of a Ford F-150 commercial. Unlike him, I'm not suggesting that one is inherently better than the other or that population density is an indicator of a community's value.
I don't know, Jason, it seems that
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 1:23pm.
"teeming metropolises that are the locus of finance and culture"seems like you're suggesting that the cities are the center of culture and finance, therefore, inherently better.
As for F-150's, compared to a Prius or a Leaf, I'll take an F-150 any day. Much safer when Bambi decides to run into the roadway. Plus, on a practical side, they're a lot more useful.
It's just a fact that cities
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 2:49pm.
It's just a fact that cities are the center of commerce, finance, culture, etc. That's what cities have been all about for as long as they've existed. That's why Wall Street is in Manhattan and not somewhere upstate. I'm not saying that makes them BETTER. I'm merely rebutting MD's silly caricature wherein to live in the city is to live a life of decadence and/or laziness.
Actually, Jason, what you
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 2:56pm.
Actually, Jason, what you said to me last night was that you HAVE lived in the inner city ( I guess a lot of nice neighborhoods are in the 'inner city', because I'm pretty sure that a loving, caring liberal like you don't live in no dirty 'hood), but you are now in a rural area (what does that mean - a town of 250,000??), and you 'can't wait to get back to CIVILIZATION!!' Am I wrong about that??
And we get a lot of 'city-folk' coming over here to Asia for vacations.
Um, yes, all that you recount
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:03pm.
Um, yes, all that you recount here is true. What's your point?
What exactly do you mean by the 'hood, anyway? Urban is urban.
My current town boasts a population of just over 5,000. Downtown is literally a church, general store, a gas station, and a firehouse.
And actually, I love it here. But in the long run, I prefer a more densely populated space, and things that are open past 9 p.m. Thus, I look forward to returning to a city, which I facetiously referred to as civilization. Forgive me this egregious slight; I didn't know conservatives were so sensitive these days.
another try to Jason*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:25pm.
Have you ever heard of chinese water torture?
See, when conservatives, for years btw, are called stupid, ignorant, pagan worshipers, bible toting, gun toting, racist, tea bagging rednecks, extremists, women hating, KKK, flat earthers, and dozens more names, it gets infuriating after awhile. There is a difference between being "so sensitive" and "had enough" of the lies.
Elitist liberals have this need to demean and condescend to their supposed inferiors for their continued opposition to liberal agenda. Liberals never ask themselves why there are so many who disagree with the progressive fantasy of socialist utopia. Never thinking that there may be something wrong with such plans for an imaginary world since ego and arrogance does not allow admitting error.
First of all, don't act for a
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:41pm.
First of all, don't act for a moment like conservatives aren't all about namecalling and condescension when dealing with us libtards.
Second, to equate a "crack" about "returning to civilization after living in the country for some time to ANY of the crude pejoratives you just listed is pretty disingenuous.
I'm sorry for offending rural Americans. At present, I am one myself, and to insult was not my intention.
However, when a presidential candidate
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 4:38pm.
who then becomes president, refers to you as bitter and clinging to guns and religion (as though clinging to religion is a bad thing), one becomes rather annoyed at the stereotypes.
Yeah, that was not his finest
Submitted by JasonC on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 12:41pm.
Yeah, that was not his finest moment.
'Urban is urban'??? So
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:29pm.
'Urban is urban'??? So Manhatten is the same as the Lower Bowery?? Beverly Hills is the same as Compton?? Then you don't have any problem living in 'da hood', huh??
You can like whatever you like as it relates to where you live - that is fine by me. I would say that people are probably more 'civilized' out in the country than they are in the city, however - with regards to safety, crime, and the ability to do various activities without having to worry about what might happen to you. My own little area might have 5000 people, but I think we're pretty damn civilized over here in Asia.
I'm not sensative at all..................how can somebody who is a little to the right of Attilla the Hun be 'sensative'?? JUST JOKING!
Until you explain what you
Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 3:38pm.
Until you explain what you mean by the 'hood and why you use that name for it (whatever it is), I'm going to have a tough time answering your question.
Beverly Hills doesn't really seem all that urban to me, even if it is sort of close to downtown L.A. And Compton, believe it or not, is actually pretty nice these days. It's come along way since NWA and the King Riots.
OK, OK.............I could
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 4:30pm.
OK, OK.............I could have said Kahala or Lower Kalihi - which are both in Honolulu, but you wouldn't have known what I was talking about. They are both 'urban'............and I can guarantee you that you wouldn't want to live in one of them. My point on that is - 'urban' is NOT 'urban' - when it comes to where you choose to live. Believe it or not, even a dumb-ass country boy like me has been to a couple 'big cities', so I have eyes, ears, a nose, and somewhat of a peabrain..................
"Compton is pretty nice these days:"..oh really?
Submitted by BEGRUNT on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 4:39pm.
I worked Compton station for a few years before I retired.....it is NOT a nice place!! It's nice if you like gang shootings, innocent children dying in the cross fire, drug dealers, gangbangers attacking old folks. Go ahead Mr. Liberal, live there, and spread your compassion........see how far that gets you!! Crime is down due to our heavy presence there, patrol deputies spend all their time chasing radio calls their entire shift! Century Station, which patrols Compton is known as "burn out" station due to the overworked deputies. Dont talk out your @$$ about something you know NOTHING about.
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
You speak TROOF, based on
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 4:54pm.
You speak TROOF, based on experience, BEGRUNT - so I"m glad you posted this. I certainly don't know anything about Compton, other than what I've read.......and maybe Mr. Compassionate SHOULD live there for a while, and find out what 'civilization' is really all about.
OK, I"ve got to go to the dump, since I don't have trash pick-up service out here in the hinterlands (although I do pay for it, as part of my property taxes, but only the people in the town get it!!!)................and I will dutifully put my glass and plastic and carboard into the recycling bins...................but guess what?? I was doing my own form of recycling a helluva lot longer than it has become fashionable and poliltically correct. Heck, my Mother used to tell me about the recycling efforts that went on during WW2 - you know, back there when the EVIL American imperialists were going all over the world, killing freedom-fighters???
Oh, yeah, I'm going to the store to buy some food - with my OWN money!!! Imagine that!!! I do see other people in there, buying better, and more, food than I do - with their EDB (or whatever the food-stamp credit cards are called) - cards, which I also help to pay for - and most of them are a lot younger than I am, although I'm in better shape, because I WORK for a living!!!
Ahhhhhhhhhh.............compassion, compassion, compassioin............
Ah yes 5 cents refund for glass that ends up crushed in the dump
Submitted by upcountrywater on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 5:30pm.
I've recycled Aluminum and copper for years and years....Why because it is a real business and people make money doing it.
As if shipping cardboard 2,300 miles, makes money.... just a load of feel good crap.
Trash might sail in 2 weeks — cross your fingers
Yea you know who uses the EDT cards, because it takes forever, for the card reader to dial-up the tired state computers to get the transaction completed.
You Didn't Build That.
Actually, no ka oi, I take my
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 7:15pm.
Actually, no ka oi, I take my glass and plastic products to a place that will give me my state-mandated refund - although they charge me 6 cents, and give me back 5!!! If I go to the county dump and leave it there, I get nothing for my money - which is probably the way the state wants it!!!
Seems like a lot of criminals and ice-heads have gotten into the copper recycling business too - when they take out a few miles of copper wire from any one of Honolulu's highways!!! How the hell do they do that without being caught?? And who buys that amount of 'product' without being busted??? I think it's all an 'inside job', over here in the incestuous People's Republic of Hawaii/Asia division!!
I try not to get irritated when I see some young nimrod - fresh in from the mainland - using and EDT card to buy better food than I can afford - and somehow also cigarettes and booze!!! I had some punk ASK me for some money the other day - out in front of the local Foodland. He had a nice new T-shirt and shorts - I was dirty in my T-shirt and jeans from working. I told him I'd pay him $5 to wash my truck............he said 'never mind'!!!
I'm sure Boy Baraka could site me for some 'mininum wage law' infraction.................
That recycle dance, however the glass still goes to the DUMP
Submitted by upcountrywater on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 8:41pm.
yes by all means get the 5 cents back...
After you leave that glass behind at the redemption center... It is shipped to a crusher company to crush....additional hauling then off it goes ...to the very dump you visit.
Oh, a few years ago a small percentage of that crushed glass pile went to fill the planter boxes at the schools, so the kids would kick it out and have it littering the area around the planters. Oh yea have it blended into the asphalt for some parking lot joke projects.
How many folks waste energy washing and rinsing out those bottles with hot water first?
You Didn't Build That.
You're probably telling the
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 8:52pm.
You're probably telling the TROOF............but, hey, at least I get 5 cents back for my black cherry bottles, while I have to throw the vodka bottles into the container for free!!!
Oh yeah, I don't know about Maui, but we now have a law over here that bans ANY burning - I guess - unless you're cooking something. Now, I live in the boonies, and I like to burn things on top of weeds and overgrowth - it's a good way to keep them at bay. But now I risk a $10,000 fine for it.................they want me to put it in my truck, use EVIL fossil fuels to drive it to the dumb, where they can use even MORE evil fossil fuels to take it to the landfill, and then waste more valuable property creating a big, unusable dump!!!
I'll be waiting for the resident libs and 'environmentalists' to show up to tell me what a terrible thing burning is.
Yup a state law... Need to plug Kilauea volcano
Submitted by upcountrywater on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 9:08pm.
libs.... Save the trees then let a forest fire burn them all down.
You Didn't Build That.
I might have a way around the
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 11:22pm.
I might have a way around the fire-ban law!!! I'll have a couple of hot dogs on sticks ready to go when I start my fire, and then if the fire department shows up, I'll be roasting them for dinner!!!
Plus, I surf with about 33% of the firemen, and another 33% played on my soccer teams, and I just know the rest of them from being around here so long!!!
Well you would certainly know
Submitted by JasonC on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 12:53pm.
Well you would certainly know better than me. I have been within Compton city limits 3 times, all after the Rodney King riots, and my impression was more favorable with each visit. My impression was that it has been undergoing gentrification in the last decade. But I didn't have to work as a patrol officer day in and day out during that time, so I would certainly not pretend to know better than you.
Interestingly, though, St. Louis - hardly a commonly cited urban crime zone in the popular imagination - is routinely ranked the most dangerous city in America.
Urban is urban? Good Lord, you are a ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 8:35pm.
simple-minded lib fool.
JasonC -- "What exactly do you mean by the 'hood, anyway? Urban is urban."
Hie your liberal ass down the "hood" (short for neighborhood - and gang-speak for ghetto and barrio), and let us know just how bad the ass whipping you took was.
Absolute fookin' moron you are.
MD
I must say, old chap, that I
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 8:47pm.
I must say, old chap, that I was rathah mystified by that comment too...............I was compelled to hold my monacle a little, shall we say, closer - to peruse and ponder the rathah extraordinary ramifications of such a statement!!! Why, I even donned my smoking jacket and my house slippers, and sat down in my library - with my basset hound at my feet - to give further thought and investigation as to the veracity and legitimacy of the hypothosis that Mr. Jason C had laid down..................while supping from a snifter of Corvassier, of course!!!
But apparantly, Mr. Dean - as you are a mere 'commoner', and, as such, you view contemplations such as these from a different perspective - you have verified, sanctified, and signified my own rathah high-brow deductions of such a ludicrous and preposterous statement......................and for that, I say 'jolly good show'!!!
MD, didn't Trayvon live in an "urban area"?
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 9:16pm.
Or, did he live in the hood? Maybe Jason can explain it to us hayseeds out in flyover country.
Or, is this an urban area, too? Y'know, another one of those "vibrant" urban centers of culture.
UpNorth ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 9:44pm.
JasonC no doubt considers Trayvon to have been a dazzling urbanite.
Once some additional details surfaced regarding items found in Trayvon's backpack, people with common sense saw a hood wearing a hood who was up to no good while outside the 'hood.
MD
Ooh, I didn't hear about
Submitted by JasonC on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 12:41pm.
Ooh, I didn't hear about this. What was found in his backpack?
Don't you live near some
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 11:19pm.
Don't you live near some nice, clean, orderly, lawful, safe, family-oriented 'urban areas', UpNorth??? I've heard that there are some really great places to live and raise a family around them there parts............and they are in such pristine and presentable condition because of the compassionate and caring policies of the long line of Democrat leadership, right???
I dunno where ol' Jason lives, but it must be one of those areas, because he says that 'urban is urban', and that is where the 'civilization' is, and that he enjoys living in these types of places.
Being a country boy, I'm probably too dumb, or not nuanced enough, to cut it in the big city.
Killa, I worked 27 years in one
Submitted by UpNorth on Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:44am.
of those "vibrant" urban areas. For my efforts, I got shot at a few times, had a knife or two pulled(you really should see my collection of knives) on me, had rocks bounced off my patrol cars, and spent more than enough time with people as they breathed their last.
That's why I moved far north of the city I worked in. And, they can "revitalize" the downtown area all they want, it still isn't safe when the bars close, the neighborhoods aren't safe for most folks. It's a lot like Norfolk, Va in the story I linked, now that I mention it.
And, I'm still waiting for Jason to tell me where the "animal rights" he referenced up thread are enumerated. He seems to have skipped right over that request for clarification.
'Animal rights'??? As they
Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 05/06/2012 - 1:10am.
'Animal rights'??? As they pertain to inner city thugs, or four-legged mammels???
I think he was referring to the four-legged variety.
Submitted by UpNorth on Sun, 05/06/2012 - 8:58pm.
But, I'm still really interested in where their rights are set out.