Contrary to CNN's First Assumption, Prosecutors Say Zimmerman Didn't Use Racial Slur
Last week, CNN had to walk back its assumption that George Zimmerman uttered a racial slur in his 9-1-1 call, and now an affidavit from the prosecution in the case says no racist words were voiced.
CNN first suggested on March 21, according to its "sophisticated" audio editing, that Robert Zimmerman said "f***ing coons" on his 9-1-1 call. But the network had to throw water on that assumption once they re-assessed the audio clip, changing Zimmerman's words from "coons" to "cold." [Video below the break. Audio here.]
Then CNN cited another expert who thought Zimmerman said "punks." And the prosecutors charging Zimmerman with second degree murder state that he uttered the words "f***ing punks" on the 9-1-1 call, not a racial slur as CNN's Gary Tuchman, Sunny Hostin, and Jeffrey Toobin first thought.
On March 21, reporter Gary Tuchman first played up CNN's editing ability. "This is one of the most sophisticated audio edit suites in the broadcast news business," he said of room 31 at CNN's Atlanta center. Tuchman played an audio clip from Zimmerman's 9-1-1 call on repeat.
Tuchman seemed to think Zimmerman dropped the racial slur "coons," saying "It sounds like this allegation could be accurate" and adding that "It certainly sounds like that word to me but you just can't be sure."
Legal analysts Sunny Hostin and Jeffrey Toobin both voiced their opinion on March 22 that Zimmerman used racist language.
"But now that I hear this – I think, slur now, sort of isolate it, you take all of that together, including his actions – that I think would be a pretty strong case for the Justice Department," said Hostin.
"I hear C-O-O-N-S. That's what I hear," said senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin on March 21. Toobin later retracted that assumption on April 4. "This is also a good example of why it's important to take your time. I remember when Gary Tuchman did his first report on it and I sat here with Anderson and I thought I heard C-O-O-N. But this certainly sounds like cold," he said of the audio.
And on that April 4 edition of Anderson Cooper 360, the verdict was changed from "coons" to "cold."
"From listening in this room, and this is state-of-the-art room, it doesn't sound like that slur anymore," Tuchman admitted while sitting with senior audio engineer Brian Stone. "It sounds like – and we wanted to leave it up to the viewer – but it sounds like we're hearing the swear word at first and then the word cold. And the reason some say that would be relevant is because it was unseasonably cold in Florida that night and raining."
On April 5, a different assumption was put forward. Host Wolf Blitzer cited Tom Owen of Owen Forensic Services as thinking Zimmerman said "punks." Ultimately, it was this word that the affidavit put forward as what Zimmerman said.
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Wow that really is some
Submitted by tcm14 on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 7:01pm.
Wow that really is some "sophisticated" editing equipment that can insert racial slurs into a recording.
Not to mention this "sophisticated" analysis:
Submitted by motherbelt on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 7:55pm.
Not to mention this "sophisticated" analysis:
"It sounds like this allegation could be accurate" and adding that "It certainly sounds like that word to me but you just can't be sure."
You really have to be "sophisticated" to use could be accurate, certainly sounds like it and can't be sure to describe the same thing.
Hey, if tossing a Hispanic
Submitted by Ruths husband Ben on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 7:03pm.
Hey, if tossing a Hispanic man to the wolves will satisfy the white libs racial guilt, it is a small price to pay. Beats them having to face the fact that they are, in fact, racists.
Of course, they have repeatedly called this man "white", but by their criteria, so is the great and mighty O.
race
Submitted by kinijane on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 8:18pm.
They have to make him white or they wouldn't have a racial news story.
Most Latinos do not consider themselves "white" in
Submitted by drsamherman on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 1:04am.
the classic sense. In fact, you will hear the term "Anglo" float around here, there and everywhere in different Latino communities. In some cases, it is like the Mexican/Centroamerican "gringo", kind of a simultaneous descriptor and pervasive insult, depending on how it is delivered. Very definitely, if you hear "gavacho" (to describe a Caucasian male) from a Mexican/Centroamericano, that is definitely an insult no matter how the person who says it would say otherwise.
I don't consider myself to be anything but an American of Latino heritage. We are all Americans.
For the idiots in the media, particularly locas tontas like Soledad O'Brien, calling a Latino "white" is contextually a major error. Latinos would not consider Zimmerman "white", we would consider him Latino.
I'm so confused...
Submitted by MidAmerica on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 7:19pm.
Saying "f***ing coons" is a racial slur but using "f--king n--ger" in a national news report is not?
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/04/09/cnns-don-lemon-say...
MidAmerica...I believe circumstances, intent, and context
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 12:18am.
must be factored into the equation.
Or do you believe a witness's use of the explicit term while testifying in court concerning what he or she heard someone say is inappropriate?
Jer
verbal random acts of violence
Submitted by MidAmerica on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 11:13am.
Intent is not the primary concern when using slurs offensive to anyone.
Suppose I'm sitting on my front porch and I squeeze off a round from my rifle. The bullet strikes you. My intent (was it an accident or a intentional hit) only matters as to the consequences for me for my action. For you, what you most care about is that you have been struck by a bullet. Same way with using any kind of slur, the intent is secondary to the person for whom the insult is hurtful.
So deeply offensive slurs when used for any reason, even if considered benign such as in a news report, they still produce victims
You mention courtroom testimony, that is the instance where the intent is on trial and the repeating of the slur is entirely appropriate because it is about the perpetrator and not the victim.
MidAmerica...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 7:40pm.
Whom do you believe are the offended victims when the authoring of a slur by another is reported verbatim by a newscaster?
I'm not arguing that it is entirely proper and should be regarded as permissible "quoting" for news dissemination purposes. I am pointing out what I believe to be a clear distinction regarding the pernicious effects of the comparative utterances.
BTW...in your hypothetical front-porch shooting scenario, could you also use a hypothetical victim instead of me? It makes me a little uncomfortable. :-)
Jer
LOL
Submitted by MidAmerica on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 9:39pm.
Well for you jer I will say the shooting was unintentional and I hope your wounds are superficial.
But as to your question about a reporting using the racial slur, I say it is unnecessary and using it is still hurtful to some listeners who are offended. It adds nothing to the report that simply saying a racial slur was used doesn't do. Suppose in my shooting incident where I accidentally shot a round off that hit someone it would not be necessary for a reporter reporting the story to also squeeze off a random round to show what was done. A verbal explanation is all that is necessary.
You didn't hear it in Court, Jer
Submitted by CobraMan on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 1:26pm.
You're forgetting something, Jer: You didn't hear it in court, you heard it on National News program. They didn't need to repeat the quote verbatim. They only did it for the shock value it brought. Does THAT seem appropriate to you?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
In that case Cobra, I assume you have advised the NB staff
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 7:11pm.
that you consider their publishing verbatim and unedited vulgarities uttered by Bill Maher to be unnecessary and done only for shock value.
Jer
MA, you have to remember that
Submitted by motherbelt on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 7:36am.
MA, you have to remember that she was just "quoting" someone, so apparently standards go out the window.
The FCC ruled that Bono couldn't say "f@*king brilliant" (the claim was that it was only an adjective, not a real swear word) but I guess everyone can now go on the news and say
Bono said it was "F*cking brilliant!" and that's just fine.
CNN International
Submitted by txradioguy on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 7:36pm.
CNN International...the only CNN I can get here in Germany is still saying that the NBC producer was fired for "allegedly editing the 9-11 tape"...and that "some people" heard racial slurs on the tape.
They are breaking their arms to pat themselves on the back for continuing to push tis story until it flared into what it is today.
Not to mention they are still showing the younger pictures of Martin.
The image and impression that they are giving people in Europe is completely dishonest.
I wonder when......
Submitted by BEGRUNT on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 8:01pm.
"Braindamage" will show up and tell us we are all wrong, because only "he" knows what was in Zimmerman's mind.
EDIT: I cant remember who gave him this nick name, but his AKA is "Lynchmo"
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
~SoL deserves the credit for that one, I believe
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 8:12pm.
.
Thanks Bru.....
Submitted by BEGRUNT on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 8:29pm.
I thought it was SoL, but wasn't sure.
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
Lynchmo also insisted that
Submitted by UpNorth on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 10:10pm.
that Zimmerman was a racist because Lynchmo knew that he used "f**king coons". He dragged that idiocy out in the first marathon thread about this.
"Lynchmo" still hasn't proven
Submitted by motherbelt on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 11:24pm.
"Lynchmo" still hasn't proven one of his first stupid allegations here: he apparently "knew" that Sean Hannity was fine with abortion in the case of rape. Still waiting for the link on that one.
I've ignored him since, but it sounds like he's consistent.
I guess all these things are true in his mind.
Here's Pastor Armstrong commenting about Hannity's abortion
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 11:41pm.
views.
FWIW
Jer
Not to be difficult, but WHO is Pastor Armstrong?
Submitted by drsamherman on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 3:15pm.
The guy in the video does not look like Herbert W. Armstrong or his son Garner Ted Armstrong. In my generation (the old radio televangelists) Herb and Garner Ted were the only Pastors Armstrong with a national presence much akin to Bishop Fulton J. Sheen.
drsam....
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 8:32pm.
Paul Armstrong, Sr.
@PA_Sr
Capitalist, Gun Owner,Strongly Pro Life - Choice is Murder, When a mother chooses abortion a baby dies, Seeker of the most High God, Retired Pastor
USA ·
My generation, too, doc...
I grew up listening to Herbert and Garner Ted. And Oral Roberts promising that something good! would happen to me today. Sometimes he was right...sometimes he was wrong.
Jer
Channeling thoughts...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 9:41pm.
motherbelt: "Thanks for the link, Jer."
Jer: "It was my pleasure, motherbelt."
[I think she just forgot.]
Jer
Absurd
Submitted by fadeinlight on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 8:01pm.
I have been writing electronic music for over a decade. I'd heard of the so-called "racial slur," and when I looked it up on youtube, I was livid. Despite the video constantly exhorting me to hear "coons," I heard what was there: "punks."
This is how you can tell: there is a loud sound right at the beginning of the word, that sounds like someone blowing over a microphone. That's called a "plosive," and it comes from hard consonants such as "p" and "b," not "c."
Put your hand in front of your mouth, and say the word "coons" as you would in a phone conversation. Now say the word "punks." I won't tell you what you're supposed to feel, because unlike CNN I don't want to lead you in any particular direction--the obvious truth will bear out.
These are broadcast professionals, that deal with microphones on a daily basis. For them to suggest that he said "coons" is either indicative of a hard prejudice against Zimmerman to begin with, or outright media manipulation. Neither is good journalism.
Well Said fadeinlight
Submitted by powers2be on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 11:07pm.
Unfortunately we have come to realize that the primary media outlets have ceased to let the truth get in the way of a soft g "good" story.
CNN Ratings?
Submitted by blazermaniac on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 8:53pm.
CNN is looking form any ratings at all, so this is what they come up with. They are gutter trash. Almost as bad as PMSNBC.
sounded to me like the
Submitted by jkwtrading on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 9:51pm.
sounded to me like the background noise from the movie Zulu.
jk......you mean like this......
Submitted by BEGRUNT on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 10:10pm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODM1RJe4FvQ
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
yes..I listened to the video
Submitted by jkwtrading on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 10:38pm.
yes..I listened to the video on you tube and did the video cnn provided sound like that to you too?
Yes it did!
Submitted by BEGRUNT on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 10:54pm.
Good call jk!
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
I'm sure if we study the tape
Submitted by LAM SON 719 on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 1:25am.
I'm sure if we study the tape enough we will see that Zimmerman was wearing an Ayran nation T shirt, spit on the victim and then kicked him was he was dying. We just have to look harder.
Toobin or not Toobin
Submitted by CO2Maker on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 5:09am.
"I hear C-O-O-N-S. That's what I hear," said senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin on March 21.
Unfortunately, CNN was using some of NBC's super-sophisticated "accidentally-on-purpose" audio editing equipment. What Toobin really said was:
"I hear C-O-O-N-S. That's what I want to hear."
These people are so eager to
Submitted by clancie on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 12:43pm.
These people are so eager to start racist chaos, which goes to show you, who the race baiter's are.... and it's not conservatives. What they happily did to Zimmerman is despicable.