CNN Wonders What Censure Will Do to Charlie Rangel's Health
During coverage of Charlie Rangel's verdict delivered by the House Ethics Committee, CNN's John Roberts called the situation "tough times," for the congressman – and wondered what the trauma will to Rangel's health given that he is 80 years old.
Referring to the censure of Sen. McCarthy in the 1950s which "broke him," Roberts remarked that "now Charlie Rangel's 80 years old, what will censuring potentially do to him?"
CNN anchor Candy Crowley also mentioned Rangel's age, saying that the hearings were "tough to watch." She added that "the next step" of the House voting on having the censure or not "is really even more painful."
"This is a rough one, but certainly one that has had, if you will, bipartisan support on something that's difficult, clearly, for the congressman to deal with," Crowley said, putting the situation in perspective.
A transcript of the segment, which aired on November 19 at 8:07 a.m. EDT, is as follows:
JOHN ROBERTS: Good to see you, Candy. So the panel voted nine-to-one to censure Charlie Rangel. If he is censured, it's going to be the first time it's happened since the early 1980s. I mean this is – these are really some tough times for him.
CANDY CROWLEY: They really are. It-It's tough to watch, I'll tell you. It was – he was at times defiant going into this saying, you know, the process is flawed. In the end, he talked about the things that he had done, both in his military service, which was heroic, as well as for his constituents. He is 80 years old, I mean this is tough to watch. Nonetheless, it was pretty overwhelming from his Democratic and his Republican colleagues who found these ethics violations. And now the next step is really even more painful, because the House of Representatives itself will vote on whether to have this censure. He stands on the House floor. People could or might come out and talk about what he's done. Certainly he will have to listen to the Speaker talk about what the Ethics Committee has found. So this is – this is a rough one, but certainly one that has had, if you will, bipartisan support on something that's difficult, clearly, for the congressman to deal with.
KIRAN CHETRY: Yeah, and I – it doesn't bode well in general for the Congress, to have to have all that, and it would be Speaker Pelosi doing that? Because it's not the new congress yet?
CROWLEY: Yes...it would be Speaker Pelosi. And it's – you know, it's a very sort of solemn side. As you say, I think they've done – the Ethics Committee has been around for about 40-plus years, I think they've done it four times. This is a big deal. I mean the next step would have been expulsion, so censure is huge.
ROBERTS: You know Candy, David Gergen was on with me last night on 360 talking about this. And he pointed to Joe McCarthy's censure, and said that really, really broke him. Now Charlie Rangel's 80 years old, what will censuring potentially do to him?
CROWLEY: Well he was just re-elected by his constituents obviously, and, but I think it's – you know, when, when you are looking back at a career, the kind of career that Charlie Rangel has had, both in the House and in the military, this is in – this is in the history books now, and that's something that as you know, always shows up in that first graph of history. It's not – clearly from his remarks he made yesterday – this was not something – he does know that this is something that does put a taint on his record.
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Oh, this is the biggest one I
Submitted by Dan Diego on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 8:09pm.
Oh, this is the biggest one I ever had. You hear that Elizabeth? I'm coming to join you honey. - Fred Sanford
or
I've fallen, and I can't get up (but I will be re-elected). - Mrs. Flecther
Censure---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 8:12pm.
A slap on the wrist?
Crowley - "So censure is huge".
It is to laugh.
Morons.
The lot of 'em.
MD
Agreed
Submitted by Galvanic on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 9:07pm.
Rangel has played this weak, poor old man stunt to the hilt, and it's absurd that these TV clowns are worried about his "censure." He ought be getting free health care in a Federal prison today.
But nobody wanted to trip the Race Card, especially the Holder Justice Department.
With no Federal trial, Rangel should then have been expelled, but the House wasfearful again. If the House goes for anything less than censure after two years of dancing around this inevitability. they'll hand the GOP yet one more issue to beat the Dems over the head with.
Oh, yeah, he's frail....
Submitted by motherbelt on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 8:51am.
Candy, did you think he was frail before this???
Apparently he didn't; he thought he was bulletproof.
Hey, Candy...people aren't on their last legs at 80, any more, you know!
As evidenced by his August birthday party (This ain't no funeral!! -Rangel)
Then he gave an impromptu speech in Congress
Oh, and Rangel said he wouldn't even accept a reprimand!
"If I can't get my dignity back here, then fire your best shot at getting rid of me through expulsion."
Frankly, I think they ought to call his bluff and kick his butt out.
The difference between Censure and . . .
Submitted by neutron on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 9:28pm.
The difference between Censure and un-Censured: Rangel's not a "Ranking Member."
The difference between Censure and vacation: given vacation, you don't have to go into the office.
The difference between Censure and a perjury: 1 count of perjury will get you jail time; unlimited ethics guilty counts and Censure will cost you nothing.
The difference between Censure then and now: in 1776 through 1950, integrity and personal reputation meant something. For present-day Democrats, getting Censured, caught with prostitutes, dis-barred, swindling investors, sweetheart deals on motgages, et cetera, only increase your stature in The Party.
I'd like a super giant Slurpee, a bag of Cheetos, a case of Bourbon, and a couple of scratch-off Censures to go!
You've heard of Stockholm Syndrome?
Submitted by KC Mulville on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 8:12pm.
What do you call it when a reporter develops relationships with sources? Rangel was a frequent guest of the media, a frequent Sunday morning visitor, and no doubt a constant background source for every reporter in town who wanted to get some inside dirt. In other words, the media loved this guy because he gave them what they wanted.
Consider:
... and the media is concerned with how it will hurt ... the corrupt politician?
How will Al Capone feel about his conviction? How will O.J. feel about his conviction? How will Bruno Hauptmann feel about his conviction?
Look what the media has done. Because Rangel is a favorite of the media, and a key player in the game that the media wants to play, they see this whole trial from his perspective. Lost is the view of the public he defrauded in his public service.
You know this is the biggest
Submitted by stratman on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 11:34pm.
You know this is the biggest bag of flaming poo from these Libs when they pull out Senator Joe McCarthy for sympathy points.
I repeat... Commie hater Sen. Joe McCarthy held up as a sympathetic example by the Left?!
Hell has frozen over and the Cleveland Browns win the Superbowl.
Back then, censure meant
Submitted by motherbelt on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 8:17am.
Back then, censure meant something!
Now, it's nothing more than the principal's old "putting a note in your permanent record."
Charlie Rangel is exhibit A
Submitted by motherbelt on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 8:22pm.
Charlie Rangel is exhibit A in why we need mandatory retirement at 65 for congressmen if we can't get term limits. There is NO reason why anyone should in congress this long. It breeds a sense of entitlement and arrogance.
Our congressmen often talk of the "privilege" of "service." But they really think of it as an entitlement. If it's such a privilege, then don't be selfish; get the hell out and let someone else have the "privilege."
Censure isn't "huge"...it's a crock. Words, just words. Thre's no actual punishment or consequences. Will he even lose his seat on Ways and Means?
As for concerns about his health, there's a simple solution: he could retire.
Get rid of Congressional pensions altogether
Submitted by Galvanic on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 9:11pm.
Without those generous pensions, they have less incentive to hang around.
MB~
Submitted by GG_NB on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 11:38am.
Very well said.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Oh boo hoo for Charlie...he
Submitted by msh1973 on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 8:17pm.
Oh boo hoo for Charlie...he is a crook.
Now, wait a minute folks, Charlie...
Submitted by bkeyser on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 8:18pm.
is getting up there in age. I think we should all be concerned about his health. In fact, I think Charlie should consider his health and do what's best for it - retire. Come on Charlie! Let it go, man! Surely you can find some beach somewhere and relax...
Candy, You Obese Libtard Slut...!
Submitted by BBallleaper on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 8:24pm.
Of course I was hoping Rangel would die on live TV, but that not having happened he should consider himself lucky. Twenty years from now when muslims will have taken over America, sharia law would have him stoned. See Candy,... there's always a bright side!
BBallleaper: Member for 4
Submitted by stratman on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 11:43pm.
BBallleaper: Member for 4 years, 3 weeks and posted on just 5 threads, the oldest from October 26, 2010.
Why start posting now? What name have you been posting under the past 4 years?
Stratman
Submitted by Denny Crane on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 2:18am.
You beat me to it.
It looks like a racist PLANT.
We Are The 53%
The early bird gets the
Submitted by stratman on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 2:40am.
The early bird gets the worm. ;-)
Good name - Denny Crane!
Thanks Strat
Submitted by Denny Crane on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 2:51am.
I just looked back and it's definately a plant.
I am so glad tracking is back.
Denny Crane
(I like this one but not sure if I should use it)
We Are The 53%
Great videos. I think Denny
Submitted by stratman on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 3:39am.
Great videos.
I think Denny Crane was creator David E. Kelley's twisted vision of an uber-Right Wing disintegrating fanatic meant to mock and ridicule the Right. It backfired. Most people seemed to have loved the character. With that dynamic, Kelley was compelled to write better scripts for Crane that secured his popularity even more.
Then again, Kelley probably wanted to make big bucks so he could pay more in taxes like a "real" patriot. Yep, I'm sure he pays more than required every year.
I get the gun video emailed often. Always good for a viewing.
I think you're correct Strat
Submitted by Denny Crane on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 5:03am.
On all counts.
The character looked like it was supposed to be rich elite moron, but Shatner is such a good actor that he made Denny Crane awesome!
I am a few years behind on the seasons, I just started watching season 5. It gets delayed over here on the other side of the world.
"Lib free or die"
We Are The 53%
PLANT
Submitted by Denny Crane on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 2:21am.
Stupid dumb Troll PLANT
Attention anybody who reads the crap by BBallleaper, It is full of it.
It is nothing more than a PLANT.
It's posts do not reflect the thoughts of any regular NB community member.
We Are The 53%
He maybe 80 years old
Submitted by CommanderTaya on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 8:24pm.
but he is still flaunting his complete arrogance and lack of morality. A man of his distinction claiming to be "broke" while still winning elections and therefore robbing the people in his district of a good honest representative ??? He should be thrown out of the House. So much for Pelosi's "swamp draining"
oh lordy
Submitted by jon_torlin on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 8:30pm.
Anyone remember James Traficant? Remember how he got brought up on charges? Were they comparable to what Charlie did? He got the boot out of Congress. The same should have been done to Rangel.
Censured is a nothing. It goes something like this: Bad Charlie! BAD! You are BAD, Charlie! Now behave yourself!
And there you have it.
-Jon
jon---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 8:32pm.
Good points, but you may have included two too many "Bads".
MD
mockery of a mockery
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 2:03am.
Regardless, this was a total mockery of a situation that should have led to the removal of a scumbag like Rangel. Hence the mockery of the mockery.
-Jon
edit: I knew someone who grew up in Harlem and he knew Rangel. The word scumbag is an extremely polite term in this case.
jon---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 2:16am.
I neglected to put /sarc in my original post.
Only libs would consider that Rangel should be told "Bad" only once, and that to do so more than once would be at a minimum unfair, or at the worst, racist.
I agree that the situation was/is a mockery; a farce, even.
It is bothersome to know that a politician at federal level can get away with being censured, for actions that would put you or I in jail had we committed them.
MD
Well.....
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 2:19am.
If it helps, I had imagined Pelosi doing the "bad" thing with the same expression she had on her face when Joe Wilson did his "You lie!" bit plus a little pointing and then when asked by the media about his punishment, she would use the same response she said before about the Constitution: Are you serious?
It kinda brought a bit of macabre humour on this whole nonsense.
-Jon
MD I found a video
Submitted by Denny Crane on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 2:25am.
Charlie Rangle on the house floor
We Are The 53%
Denny---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 2:34am.
with Wesley Snipes playing the part of James Clyburn.
Excellent.
MD
You Are Correct
Submitted by CommanderTaya on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 8:36pm.
But, Charlie is a member of the CBC and apparently not held to the standards as Traficant.
Rangel must have just been
Submitted by stratman on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 11:36pm.
Rangel must have just been inducted as a New Black Panther and is therefore off limits per Obama/Holder.
BBallleaper -- please remove post contents
Submitted by GG_NB on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 12:15am.
Please go back and edit out your subject (vulgar) and first sentence on Rangel (horrific). Oh, and the second sentence too. And since the last sentence refers to Candy, you really have nothing to say.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
being 80 years old simply
Submitted by sometimesright on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 8:52pm.
being 80 years old simply means he's had more time than some to do the right thing....and he hasn't! his age should count against him, not a factor to induce leniency. this is a load of bs. out in the real world, you get caught doing shenanigans on the job you're on the street scratching your @$$ in the unemployment line(if not doing time). not in the federal government. oh no, you screw up and you get a high five from your cohorts and teary eyed sympathy from the crap media. give me a break!
If he's so fragile
Submitted by kch50428 on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 9:04pm.
That censure will cause him harm - he shouldn't be there at all.
I'm wondering what the next full rack of baby-back ribs...
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 9:09pm.
...is going to do to Charlie's health.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Mmmmmmmm...
Submitted by Rukus on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 12:42am.
Baby back ribs... slobber. ; )
Ruk,
Submitted by Dave. on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 12:44am.
LOL - Yeah, me, too. :-)
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Can't feel sorry for him
Submitted by tampamom25 on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 9:33pm.
His military career and awards do absolutely nothing to negate the seriousness of what he's done. In fact they make it even worse because you would expect someone with that kind of dedication and valor in the service of his country to have a higher standard of behavior than Rangel has shown with his dealings. If he's so old that he can't stand up under censure, then he should resign from his post and spare everyone the spectacle that this is sure to become. His illegal doings will become the centerpiece of any legacy he thinks he might leave behind.
True. A valorous military
Submitted by stratman on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 11:59pm.
True.
A valorous military career did not stop the Left from going nutz over Randy "Duke" Cunningham or his final disposition.
I doubt that Cunningham was the "most corrupt Congresman ever." Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Ted Kennedy, and John Murtha surely are qualified to compete for that award given their personal conduct and the damage they have done to America.
Too old to serve?
Submitted by Crash on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 9:43pm.
I wonder ... what will Obama care do for the health of old farts who haven't gamed the system?
Charlie's health
Submitted by batcat on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 9:50pm.
Who cares.
Wow 2 Trolls
Submitted by Denny Crane on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 2:29am.
on the same thread.
We Are The 53%
The lying old baggage
Submitted by Calypso Jones on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 10:38pm.
should have been out of there fifteen years ago.
If It Were Me
Submitted by Joe W. on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 10:39pm.
Well, if it were ME, my ass would be sitting in a cell....but since it's a Congressman....he's told he's been naughty and left to go do it some more.....Something just isn't right in America.....
If Rangel's age makes him too
Submitted by Chris Norman on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 12:19am.
If Rangel's age makes him too fragile to bear the light consequences of his corruption, then he is too fragile to be in a demanding political office, period. Of course, these are just weak attempts by liberals at CNN to defend and protect one of their own.
He deserves more; treat him like Adam Clayton Powell
Submitted by TheHistorian on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 12:35am.
Firat, realize that Charlie is not the firat Congressman from Harlem to have these problems. The guy he replaced, Adam Clayton Powell, was as crooked.
The difference is the Dems wouldn't seat Powell after his re-election even after trial. Sounds like it should be done to Charlie this way. The cheater deserves to be in a slammer.
http://clerk.house.gov/art_history/highlights.html?action=view&intID=12
Dennis Prager
I watched the entire show the other day
Submitted by dirtydan64 on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 1:35am.
when the charges were read, as I watched the guy who read the charges it was of my opinion he clearly was on the side of rangel I could see it in his eye's, he when asked a question chose his words very very carfully to make dam sure he didn't put his own self in jepardy with regards to the answers he spouted. I'm sure Chaley threw a few bucks his way !! After Charlie this guy should be looked into on how he arrived at the suggestion of a mere Censure when you compare Charlie's charges against Mr. Trafficat's from just a decade ago Charlie by far were more serious and of course had DOJ Holder had any balls should have been in Prison for his Crimes, and since Holder didn't persue Charlie then we should of looked to the IRS to do there JOBS where by again Charlie should be in Prison awaiting his hearing by the Enthnics committee on top of charges form Holder & IRS and stripped him of every penny he has and every item he accumulated along the way e.g the Houses, cars (Parked for free) villas, gold watches, rings and the Millions he's got stashed away over there in on the Island of NaboomBoom !!
The one thing we have going for us is this, those who reside on this Committee had better head the voices of the American People as should those in the House cause come 2012 this will be remembered and if most if not all of them are up for re-election they had better do the right thing and strip him of every bit of power, and kick his ugly fat Ass out on his head cause it will come back to bite them all in the ass if they allow him to walk away with a slap on the wrist !!!
Rangel = Scumbag
Submitted by Cactus Kurt on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 1:37am.
Rangel screwed over his own constituents in Harlem. No sympathy for this lying, cheating scumbag. Boo f-ing hoo, Charlie.
I imagine that the trial and
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 3:45am.
I imagine that the trial and the verdicts will make sure Rangel will be dead in no less than 25 years. Ohh yeah poor Rangle.
Never Ceases To Amaze Me
Submitted by packman on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 9:06am.
that all these bleeding hearts tend to focus on the perpetrator of crimes against the people, suddenly seeing them as vicitms when they are found guility of those crimes. The fact that Charlie Rangle is 80 years old is irrelevant. He is still a crook. Throw 'da bum out.
"...Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread..." ~Thomas Jefferson
Geeze that old fart is 80.
Submitted by kangaroo on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 9:57am.
Geeze that old fart is 80. Two words. Term limits.
I like what Beck suggested the other day and that is pollys should only get paid what the military gets paid, not enough to piss in a pot.
"When you reach the end of your rope, tie a knot in it and hang on"--Thomas Jefferson
Re: Beck's comment
Submitted by Clutch1956 on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 10:11am.
I think that equity pay with the men and women in the armed forces for politicians is wrong. Politicians and government workers should get 50% of what the military gets paid, since putting oneself in harm's way should pay more than bloviating from the Senate or House floor and certainly more than someone wielding a rubber stamp.
Rangel's health is not the issue. Betrayal is the issue.
Submitted by Thalpy on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 11:14am.
The amount of contempt for us found in Rangel and other "representatives' is incalculable. They don't give a damn about us. In fact, if they could be representatives without dealing with constituents, they would.
The focus of Crowley's story should have been: What has Rangel done to us?
"Tough" to watch? He brought it upon himself!
Submitted by CobraMan on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 3:46pm.
"It-It's tough to watch, I'll tell you."
Yes, I it would be rather "tough" to "watch" one of your idols being exposed as a mere mortal, one who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, as they say.
I, for one, have little sympathy for Rangel. He brought this upon himself, so he has no one but himself to blame. His "age" is immaterial. If you're so worried about what this will do to him at his age, supposedly because the "stress" may cause him harm, then why didn't you show concern for him being in the House at his "age" when he was running for re-election. Being the "head" of a committee, as well as being a member of the House in general, is always a stressful situation. How will this "censure" make that stress any worse?
Stop making excuses, stop looking to evoke our sympathy, for a man who knowing, willfully, and DEFIANTLY brought this all upon himself. Rangel isn't a victim here, he the perpetrator. His constituents, and the American public in general, are the victims here. It's time we treat him, and all other who do this, as the true perpetrators they relly are.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
If Rangle is not physically
Submitted by Cowboy on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 6:01pm.
If Rangle is not physically 'up to' censure for what he has done, then he is certainly noy 'up to' being a Congressional representative... Throw him out for his own good...
How stressful would jail be?
Cue up Celine Dion
Submitted by Dan Diego on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 7:58pm.
"some of the people who do that they're so poor they've never touched anything in their lives. Let them touch those things for once."