Scarborough: Conservative Leaders Telling Me They'd 'Rather Lose' Than Elect Romney
Could this be a watershed week in the Republican presidential primary? Joe Scarborough seems to think so.
On today's Morning Joe, he said something remarkable: that in the last week, stalwart conservatives and "conservative leaders" have begun telling him that they would "rather lose" than elect Mitt Romney. Video after the jump.
Scarborough suggested that it was Romney's change of positions on supporting Gov. John Kasich's attempt in Ohio to reform unions that was the straw that broke conservatives' backs. Watch Scarborough's stunning statement.
JOE SCARBOROUGH: Willie Geist, I've got to say, seriously: day in and day out, the longer Herman Cain's in first place, the subtext of this story is Mitt Romney. Is the fact that the conservative base does not trust Mitt Romney. I think what he did last week in Ohio--I will say it again and I will say it again--because it resonated with the conservative base, his flip-flop on whether he was going to support John Kasich or not and Kasich's union reforms, or, quote, anti-union legislation, is devastating for Mitt Romney . . . The party's in search of itself. It does not have a conservative stalwart to get behind that can win the general election. Isn't that what these rises and falls and fluctuations of all these conservative candidates, Willie, means?
You know, Andrea, I'm hearing something remarkable over the past week. I'm hearing conservatives, stalwart conservatives, starting to say: you know what? I would rather lose to Barack Obama. I would rather give him four more years than elect Mitt Romney and have him spend money like George Bush and have another Republican who promises to be conservative go liberal. Conservative leaders, this week: it's like a light switch has come on. And they say: you know what? We would rather lose.
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Name names, Joe
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 8:39am.
Until he does, and these "people" agree, publicly, I'm laying the BS card out on the table.
Because I believe this is classic "some say". The only voices he's heard say this are the imaginary ones in his head.
Kata's tag had it right....ABO 2012, Anyone But Obama. I'd take Hillary if that was my other choice.
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ABO 2012 and ABR 2012
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 8:56am.
I am afraid I agree with the sentiment whether true or not.
Cannot vote for the man in the Whitehouse or Romney.
Neither one represents me well.
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
If we can't get someone
Submitted by Apache on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:14am.
If we can't get someone better than a "pale pastel" elected this cycle then we deserve to lose. And if we get Oromney then the public will never know the difference between a liberal and a conservative. They would just detect a difference in speed.
...OROMNEY!
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:28am.
And if we get Oromney then the public will never know the difference between a liberal and a conservative.
Agree, that makes it simpler... ABO(x2) 2012
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Obama will at least have a
Submitted by Apache on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 10:52am.
Obama will at least have a republican congress and senate to deal with and who have no incentive to placate him. Romney on the other hand, he can switch back to liberal mode and drag the party with him. Republicans could make Obama choke on his ideology. Romney could put liberal policy in a sugar pill. He could ruin any chance of creating a distinction between parties and move the country further left. He won't stand for entitlement reform. He will buy votes with gifts from the treasury. He will make us look like hypocrites.
You people are nuts. I
Submitted by ThisnThat on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 8:02pm.
You people are nuts. I strongly suggest you sit back and spend a few minutes surveying the damage o'bama has done and is doing to this country before you go out on a limb and suggest that o'bama's "not so bad, afterall".
__________
“Didn't win the Medal of Honor? Didn't even serve? Then lie about it. We'll support you." — 9th Circuit Court
Good Morning Blonde!
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:10am.
Agree 100% with your use of “the B.S. card.” Joe’s contention that “R-Leaders (and base) would rather have Obama than Romney” is absurd.
- Grump :o)
P.s.: Sorry about your tag line troubles… but it will soon be over, so hang in there!
Morning B...I agree with the
Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:18am.
Morning B...I agree with the BS card; I can't believe anyone said they would rather have another 4 years of Obama. But that will be the result, whether they want it or not. Whether you believe Joe or not, you have to admit that that is the classic Republican tactic of "cutting off one's nose to spite one's face."
I've said all along that Republicans are their own worst enemy. Not in those words, but principles are sometimes a losing strategy. With Democrats, it DOES NOT MATTER who the candidate eventually is; they will ALL go to the polls and vote for him.
As an example, consider Bill Clinton. Jesse Jackson et al claimed that he would destroy the black community with the welfare reform bill he signed. Yet they all went to the polls in '96 and voted for him. I believe Jackson even said something along the lines of well he's still our guy [even though he screwed them over] because he's better than the alternative. And they all circled the wagons around him in '98.
Republicans, OTOH, tend to stay home if the they don't get the candidate they want. They withhold their vote out of principle. And that's how they lose.
I've said I would vote for Howdy Doody over Obama. If Republicans in general don't get that attitude, then Obama will get his second term, even if by default.
withhold their vote out of principle. And that's how they lose.
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:22am.
They withhold their vote out of principle. And that's how they lose.
I would rather lose than vote against my principles...
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Well, if your principles
Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:32am.
Well, if your principles dictate that there is only one person who is preferable to Obama, that's how you will vote. Or not. Just keep in mind that by not voting, you will be helping Obama. If that floats your boat, fine.
Myself, even if I'm not thrilled with the Republican candidate, I will hold my nose and vote for him because anyone is better than what we have now.
...oh I will vote, but
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:42am.
...in this order:
Because how I vote is more important than the outcome...
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
So you're saying there is no
Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:52am.
So you're saying there is no "lesser of two evils." If you can't have perfect, you will settle for the current "evil."
As I said, if that floats your boat, fine.
My vote represents my convictions.
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 10:00am.
If I have to vote for someone other than the two "evils' (i.e. the D or the R), then I have done the right thing and the outcome is out of my hands.
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
A third alternative
Submitted by cocodrie on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 10:05am.
A third alternative would be a sinking skiff. We would still drown.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
...or a Carnival Cruise! v
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 10:07am.
...or a Carnival Cruise!
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
My vote represents my convictions.
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 10:05am.
If I have to vote for someone other than the two "evils' (i.e. the D or the R), then I have done the right thing and the outcome is out of my hands.
v
To do the right thing and suffer the consequences, to me is far nobler than to compromise and be part of the problem. - me
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
vrwc13,
Submitted by Agnostic on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 10:14am.
I have long held the same stand as you do but during the last election I started to shift. I realized the nation did not get this far left in one election and it would probably take several steps to the right to correct the problem. Incremental steps got us here and it may take incremental steps to move us back to right-of-center.
There are some key issues that I think the candidate needs to be focused on to accomplish this and removing public unions from the schools and changing the way that federal budget/over-sight is done will be the only people will ever learn enough to vote in a manner to return our political leadership back to being representative of the nation.
I have the same sentiment
Submitted by kata on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 8:18pm.
A perfect candidate for me would be a hybrid of about three candidates. It's not going to happen!
I am not ready to go down with the ship. I'll take any air bubble that comes my way at this point because it's better than sinking further. I am sure people think that "another 4 yrs of Obama" will "teach some lessons". How is that working out thus far? The deeper we go into the entitlement abyss the more of a lock the Dems have on bought votes.
air bubbles:
Submitted by Agnostic on Thu, 11/03/2011 - 7:37am.
There are only three reasons I don't think we could recover from another four years of an Obama administration:
In four additional years the Mediterranean Caliphate would be complete and the European beyond reversing.
President Obama's statement of using EOs and bypassing the Congress
The number of rule changes created in Congress by the Democrats since 2006 would probably continue and make a change in party control of Congress almost meaningless
Good morning vrwc13
Submitted by cocodrie on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:40am.
Principles are extremely important and so are moral absolutes. I certainly have mine.
There are, however, times when we only have two choices. When drowning in the Gulf would you refuse to accept rescue from a shrimp boat and drown because you don't like the smell of shrimp? Many have had to make that choice and I have never heard of anyone who has refused.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
I agree with your 'drowning'
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:58am.
I agree with your 'drowning' (the man in the Whitehouse) and 'bad smell' (Romney).
Just hoping for that third alternative...
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
"Republicans, OTOH, tend to
Submitted by Apache on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:32am.
"Republicans, OTOH, tend to stay home if the they don't get the candidate they want. They withhold their vote out of p
principle. And that's how they lose."
That's how they lose? Just having an R in front of the name doesn't mean "win". The nerve of those republicans having principle. Losing in the short term would win in the long term. That's why the country has moved so far left. They keep putting up a liberal and we keep putting up liberal lite. Either way, liberals win. Nobody outside conservative circles knows what a conservative is because we keep electing weak tea Rs. Hell, HW Bush signed the "Luxury Tax" that bankrupted half the east coast. Then he got his ass kicked by liberals for doing what a liberal would do (raise taxes). If a conservative would get elected and do what a conservative would do then the Republican party might have meaning again. Things would turn around and the public would say "ah, that's what they are all about". But no, we just do the minimum required to get elected and pass liberal policy and heavy spending anyway. R means nothing. Just maybe moving left slower. McCain was about as weak tea as you can get. Mr. Mavrik by the media. Yet he had his ass handed to him in the general. We got no brownie points for nominating him.
So, why haven't Republicans
Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:41am.
So, why haven't Republicans given the nomination to a true conservative?
that is
Submitted by misterbee241 on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:57am.
the $64,000 question.
I agree, and I'm waiting to
Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 10:04am.
I agree, and I'm waiting to see what Apache's answer is. Because he seems to think it's that simple and Republicans just won't do it, for some stupid reason.
mb,
Submitted by Agnostic on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 10:08am.
60+ in the political DC wilderness has the core members of the Republican party hedging their bets more often then not because they inherently know that the game is rigged against Conservative ideas. The last two times the Republicans had true power in DC they passed Civil Rights laws that have been since distorted into protectionist rackets and most recently they helped Clinton reduce the debt until they got drunk on their own wish lists of 'Compassionate Conservatism".
The Republican Party needs more young Conservative blood that doesn't remember sitting at the heals of the Congressional Democrats. And they need to be in numbers that won't be subjected to the stalemates created by political deals and media pressure.
Viva la Tea Party
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 10:16am.
We need more Marco Rubios and Allen Wests.
I think the RNC is starting to buy a clue. My mom got a solicitation from them, which of course, included a survey.
How do you identify yourself? Moderate Republican; Liberal Republican; Conservative; Tea Party. Tea Party?
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I absolutely agree!
Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 10:47am.
We have some good up-and-coming conservatives.
But what do we do THIS YEAR?
Well, MB
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 12:31pm.
We fight like hell to get more young, up-and-coming conservatives into ALL levels of government, municipal, state, and federal. Target (oops, Palin took over my fingers there) all of the democrats and squishy RINOs (primary 'em if possible) and continue to stack the deck.
As far as the big race goes, right now I'm behind Cain. We have to go all in on the conservatives. My thinking keeps evolving as far as Newt goes. If Cain flames out before my primary, I'm in for Newt. I think he will positively torch Obama in any debate (Cain as well, he humiliated Bill Clinton over Hillarycare, he's not scared of the title of POTUS), and we know what Newt's baggage is.
The thing with Newt is that he's going to have to win over the Republican-lite and some of the indies, as well as the democrats who are totally disgusted with Obama. Can he do it? THAT is the question. Newt has proven he is obviously the adult in the room. He sold me...now can he sell the middle?
Furthermore, I think Newt has learned from his past mistakes (reaching across the aisle). I don't think he'll do it again. As far as sticking to the hard core conservative line, I trust Newt a whole lot more than Romney. I like Bachmann and Santorum, but they are really not viable candidates.
Fallback, of course, is to vote for Romney if he gets the nomination, and keep up the efforts to put in so many conservatives that he won't have the option to veer left.
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"Rome wasn't built in a day"
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 2:56pm.
... it will take a prolonged process to get our country back to it's Founding Fathers style.
We need to take a page from the US Communist Party plan, which began years ago and has helped in putting us where we are today.
They had a plan, they worked the plan, the plan is working today.
We need to work on one position at a time, one county at a time, one state at a time.
But more importantly, one child at a time. Our schools, media, and even some of our churches are stealing them away before they even reach the voting age.
i.e. 'occupy _________ is a prime example of the 'I want it 'cause I deserve it' mentality of socialism.
The big decision in front of us now is if not someone else, who would do the most damage in the next four years? Obama or Romney?
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Don't even start with that
Submitted by Apache on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 10:38am.
Don't even start with that "true conservative" straw man. We need a conservative (that didn't just start talking like it yesterday). How can we have an economy in the crapper and a far left president and think we can't do better than Romney? An R doesn't make you a conservative. If Obama had an R in front of his name some of you would defend him. We for damn sure need a fiscal conservative. How does a fiscal conservative arrive at RomneyCare? Sure all the candidates have said stupid things. But Romney has actually applied stupid things and won't even back away from them. This is our antiObama? Seriously? I'm not even sure what percentage of republicans are conservatives. There seem to be a lot that just don't want to be called "dems". Everyone seems to like and elect their own gifts from the treasury. Conservatives are always told to fold and elect the person deemed most electable. As a result, the conservative brand has no value. It's been gutted by liberal lite. If the conservative vote can just be taken for granted and thus ignored by republicans the result for the country will be economic ruin (as we see now).
Straw man?
Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 10:52am.
You are the one who suggested that Republicans lose because they keep putting up "weak tea" and "liberal lite" candidates.
I'm merely asking your opinion of why they don't put up a true conservative.
You are trying to change the
Submitted by Apache on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 11:15am.
You are trying to change the subject into what the litmus test is for what is "true conservative". I'd say being able to pass as a democrat by just changing letters doesn't qualify as a conservative. Which is what you are advocating we put up with Romnney. I do think your mentality is being challenged by those putting Cain up in the polls. The only candidate that helps Romney by dropping out is Huntsman. With any luck, the republican voters will beat the establishment picks. Is he perfect as you imply I am suggesting with the "true conservative" crap? No. But at least the debate will be between policy and not who is least like Romney v1.
Conservative Landscape
Submitted by Agnostic on Thu, 11/03/2011 - 7:44am.
There are no Republicans at this time in a position of national power that have voted 100% conservative. Going strictly by fiscal conservatism - Paul would be close especially considering his time in office but I doubt enough would vote for him because of his FA opinions.
I was intrigued and even was leaning heavy toward Cain until he attacked Perry without proof. That puts him back in line with Romney for me. It was the unprofessional and truly lacked in terms of leadership. I'm not a fan of Perry but the nation will lose any traction in going back to the right if the POTUS is a knee-jerk reactionary. I'm not completed soured on Cain but he just lost a lot of ground.
Cain until he attacked Perry without proof...
Submitted by vrwc13 on Thu, 11/03/2011 - 8:49am.
...ah politics as usual. We get to attack our own until one last standing, then on to attacking the other side!
Cain may have conveniently accused Perry (who had alledged N-gate) to possibly garner the support from Perry to pass Romney. Maybe Cain can find something on Paul for another 10%. (Reminds of the game Risk)
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
NB'rs...need some help
Submitted by vrwc13 on Thu, 11/03/2011 - 8:58am.
Does anyone know of a source that 'scorecards' the R canidates and their positions?
A nice simple spreadsheet will do, thanks.
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
vrwc13,
Submitted by Agnostic on Thu, 11/03/2011 - 9:33am.
There are many but there is built in bias in all. My advice, fwiw, is to read the individual web sites for the candidates in which their general policies are stated. Then compare that to their voting record weighing the votes according to your own level of importance and paying special attention to changes they may signify a change in philosophy, playing politics or a flip flop - your guess would be as good as any. Finally - there are many scoring cards you can use to figure out a numerical way of comparing the candidates and the Martin method is as good/flawed as any but at least it is easy. To increase the personal accuracy you may wish to weigh the different categories in order of importance but I wouldn't add a multiplier of greater than 1.1 to such a simplistic system.
Does anyone actually read
Submitted by Apache on Thu, 11/03/2011 - 10:14am.
Does anyone actually read posts here? You fell right for MotherBelt's strawman and are not comprehending what I am saying. I am not asking for a %100 or "true conservative". I'm asking we don't nominate a complete sell out and take the blame for his 0% conservatism. Crap like this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-governor-romney-worked-to-reas...
Apache,
Submitted by Agnostic on Thu, 11/03/2011 - 10:54am.
If this is directed at my post, twice removed, then I don't think anyone really expects a 100% Conservative - especially one out of a blue state. So the issue comes down to what you will vote for in a candidate. For me it will be the candidate that shows both leadership skills and the best fiscal conservative record (btw, it is my opinion that a fiscally conservative government would result in a socially conservative nation - where would all the money come from for social liberalism if government did not prop them up). Therefore, I put out that Paul has the best record for fiscal conservatism but since he is unelectable for more reasons than his foreign policy, which would be enough. So my search goes on and with Cain's latest leadership failure the candidates are too close for me to make a choice as of yet.
If you want a nice hit piece on Romney I would start here (also at the Post).
Why do you suspect there is
Submitted by Apache on Thu, 11/03/2011 - 10:21am.
Why do you suspect there is no evidence? You put him in the back of the line because you think there is no evidence? And Perry turned right around and pointed at Romney in a knee-jerk fashion.
Apache
Submitted by Agnostic on Thu, 11/03/2011 - 10:37am.
In another inexplicable responses (really hoping you just put it in the wrong place) you asked, "Does anyone actually ready the comments?".
Well let us start there and notice that I did not say that Cain was going to "the back of the line" but "back in line" - a definite difference.
I also related that the attack was made without evidence and not that there was no evidence - also a difference but an understandable interpretation on your part.
Perry and Cain both fail a major leadership test by looking for someone to blame. We already have an entire administration that leads from the rear by blaming everyone else. Those of us not enamored with the 'magic' that is President Obama recognize that for what it is - poor leadership skills. It would be hypocritical to not at least note that Perry and Cain have both made this mistake. The difference? Perry and Cain both have a long history of executive decisions and accomplishments to offset this political and executive mistake. So, I will continue to look at all candidates but I no longer have a candidate that I am leaning toward but each has qualities of their own.
Im sure Joe heard that the
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:17am.
Im sure Joe heard that the conservative lobbies did not want Romney, but interpreted it as we will prefer total destruction with Obama than a smaller scale with Romney.
Conservative leaders?
Submitted by Agnostic on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 11:26am.
Who are the Conservative leaders? As best as I can tell there are only a couple dozen Conservatives in office and the are all answering to the Republican leadership.
Joe thinks he is a conservative so I am dubious as to who he thinks is "Conservative Leaders". To be fair Joe does have his moments of fiscal conservatism.
I don't believe it...
Submitted by zenman1661 on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 8:39am.
Even the Tea Party would rather have Romney then Obama.
not me
Submitted by dmacleo on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:13am.
if romney is the candidate I will start doing what I can to expedite the collapse to get it over with and start over.
You're assuming that there is
Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:49am.
You're assuming that there is a "start over" and it will look like you want it to look.
It ain't necessarily so.
Agree
Submitted by rick.bren on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:20am.
Agree
I can understand the sentiment.
Submitted by NeoKong on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 8:47am.
Romney will damage the brand. Not that the rest of our Republicans protect the brand very well but the rank and file base, the voters and organizers at the local level are much more conservative than the politicians who represent them.
They want the party to go to the right. They don't want to compromise with Democrats because they are ideologically opposed to them at the molecular level and Romney certainly doesn't represent that.
Romney would make an excellent conservative Democrat but he is a terrible Conservative Republican.
So I guess it comes down to if we are not going to get the leadership we want then why would we vote for someone who will not support those values....?
To elect Romney is to endorse his squishiness.
...agree NeoKong
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 8:58am.
ABO 2012 AND ABR 2012
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Then what do you suggest?
Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:46am.
Then what do you suggest?
Leaving BHO in power so he can continue to "fundamentally transform" this country, because we don't have a candidate that is conservative enough?
He's NUTS!!!
Submitted by GeneralAl on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 8:50am.
He's NUTS! I'd take Blago over Obama. I don't like Romney but I'll vote for him. By the way JOE, are you still suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome?
"Old Soldiers never die, they just fade away"!
Leaders telling me,
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 8:50am.
some say, it has been said, there are those who say... get serious Joe-k. And there are some that say you rose out of a cesspool. And some have said you landed here on a Martian spaceship. Yup, SOME THIS AND SOME THAT AND THERE ARE THOSE THAT SAY.
Well some say you're a lying sack of feces also, Joe. How does that sound?
And there are also some that say.....
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 8:58am.
.....the death of Joe's congressional aide was covered up, even though it was very smelly.
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WHOA!
Submitted by Annie Ashe Fields on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:23am.
I'd not heard about this.
Do you have a link for some background?
I mean... I'm no Joe Scarborough fan (I think he's lost his way BIG TIME over there at MSNBC) but...
MURDER?
No...
The name Joe Scarborough
Submitted by shannon76 on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:32am.
The name Joe Scarborough doesn't want you to google is: "Lori Klausutis"
The circumstances of her death were unusual.
Here's a start
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:40am.
There are several members here who are from Scarborough's district....and who may have some more local knowledge. Curiouser and curiouser.
And perhaps you'd never heard about it because it was swept under the rug, so to speak.
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Romney is MORE Dangerous Than Obama!
Submitted by Winghunter on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:09am.
Let him tell you why by his own instruction;
“There’s something to be said for having a Republican who supports civil rights in this broader context, including sexual orientation. When Ted Kennedy speaks on gay rights*, he’s seen as an extremist. When Mitt Romney speaks on gay rights* he’s seen as a centrist and a moderate. It’s a little like if Eugene McCarthy was arguing in favor of recognizing China, people would have called him a nut. But when Richard Nixon does it, it becomes reasonable. When Ted says it, it’s extreme; when I say it, it’s mainstream." -Willard 'Mitt' Romney and same-sex “marriage” in Massachusetts http://bit.ly/nzD824
(* Translation for "Speaks on gay rights" = Says the exact same thing.)
Video: Ann Barnhardt - Mitt Romney Go Home http://bit.ly/qx2tLO
The Romney Scorecard: RINO http://bit.ly/706p7k
Mitt squeezes onto the global warming couch with Newt & Pelosi http://is.gd/l4Vfdv
Romneycare For Farmers http://bit.ly/jVcXj0
The Mitt Romney Deception http://bit.ly/dkXndL
The Mitt Romney Report http://bit.ly/g5ZfiO
True Romney http://bit.ly/i7u0zN
Classic Ann Barnhardt Rant
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:22am.
Maybe you ought to send it to Morning Schmoe.
If she doesn't wake him up, nothing will.
GO HOME, WILLARD!
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What conservative leader would confide in
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:09am.
The morning Joke? Give me a break. Romney is far from perfect, but next to Obama, he is a Saint!
I'm curious
Submitted by Vonu on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:10am.
As to whom Joe thinks of as conservative, would that be Huntsman or Ed Koch?
I think that Romney is more consistently conservative than
Submitted by Lipton on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:24am.
Scarborough. I wonder if Joe has a single principle or core belief.
I support Cain, but would vote for Romney against Sotero
Submitted by Tomorama on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:29am.
What a crock of BS - straight up.
And if anyone who supposedly calls themselves a Republican of any kind AGREES that 4 more years of Obysmal would be no worse than 4 years of Romney, then you don't deserve to call yourself a Republican.
Posted it and mean it.
After what this lying, gutless fraud has done in less than three years, ANYONE that is not a brainwashed lib who would consider "sitting it out" and allowing him to win again, sorry, you have no ground to stand on.
Obama Romney
Submitted by Surly_Curmudgen on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 1:31pm.
Obama Romney Romney Obama step right up folks we will give you a choice, you can vote for this progressive or you can vote for this progressive. Each of them will do their best to eviscerate this nation as quickly as possible so that we can bring you our communist utopia. Isn't that special!
I suspect ScarBro makes stuff
Submitted by shannon76 on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:29am.
I suspect ScarBro makes stuff up (because who is really going to fact check him and call him out on it on a 6 AM morning show that gets beat by a 3AM comedy show?).
On a separate issue.....is there an ounce of decency in Romney where at some point he'll realize, "Wow! These folks REALLY don't want me. I'm not getting more than 25% ever anywhere (except for New Hampshire). Maybe for the good of the party I should just pack it in."...
If Romney is unable to get traction outside of the 25%, realizes he's unwanted, and continues defying the will of the GOP, he ought to be ashamed of himself. Presidential ambitions aside. Only a Clinton wouldn't mind getting nominated or elected in such a sham fashion.
Tea Party MAJORITY Congress is the SURE & CURE
Submitted by Annie Ashe Fields on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:31am.
Look, I can see the logic in the argument that Romney will KILL the GOP for decades. GOT IT. But...
LOSE TO OBAMA IN 2012? THERE'LL BE NOTHING LEFT TO SAVE COME 2016.
No. That really WOULD be putting party ahead of country, as Obama says, and only GOP PROGRESSIVES or GOP ESTABLISHMENT types who want to keep the gravy train rolling would support that.
Besides, if the Dems think the House Tea Party Republicans are bad, WAIT UNTIL THEY TAKE MAJORITIES IN BOTH CHAMBERS.
Congress will SLAM SHUT THE DOOR on any Big Government schemes in the next administration NO MATTER WHO is in the Executive. If it's Romney, Tea Party Majority Senate & House will yank the leash on his big government impulses. But GOD HELP US ALL - I HOPE IT'S NOT.
HERMAN CAIN 2012!!!
It's a slow pitch softball...
Submitted by wizardjr on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:30am.
The libtards WANT Mittens and SO DO THE ESTABLISHMENT GOP.
He's a Dhimmeroid Lite much like Bush. He'll be conservative on a number of things but he'll hand over the keys to the treasury to the spendocrats the second he gets into office. He'll never sign a bill to completely delete Obamacare for one thing. He'll whine for incremental 'fixes' to it that'll be worse than what we've got now. Etc.
I agree with dmacleo and Winghunter. If Romney heads the ticket I'm staying home, watch loud action movies and drink copious amounts of Val-U-Rite vodka while consuming bowls full of butter dripping popcorn as I celebrate the life and death of America. The only saving grace is that the scum sucking Cargo Culters will be worse off than they are now once this socialist nonsense really gets rolling.
what a joke
Submitted by tomolson3 on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:31am.
Is this the He/she Rachel Maaddow in drag? Put the glasses on this guy and he would look just like her/he? Name the conservatives who are telling you that? Waiting..........waiting...........thats what i thought..lying through your teeth!
Mitt, like Obama, ain't legal.
Submitted by davidfarrar on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:46am.
If Mitt Romney is ever placed on a Republican presidentical ticket, it will be a shoe-in for Barack Obama. A large majority of Tea Party supporters will not vote for anyone who, like Obama, stands in direct violation of the Constitution's "natural born" Citizenship rule.
George Romney (1907–1995), Mitt Romney's father,who ran for the presidency as the Republican Party nominee in 1968, was born in Mexico, but not to U.S. parents, as they claim.
Mitt Romney's grandfather had emigrated to Mexico in 1886 with his three wives and children after the U.S. federal government outlawed polygamy. The Romney storyline goes on from here to tell us George's monogamous parents retained their U.S. citizenship and returned to the United States with him in 1912. It is further explained that the Romneys never received Mexican citizenship, because the country's nationality laws had been restricted to jus sanguinis statutes due to prevailing politics aimed against American settlers.
However, I have found overwhelming prima facie evidence, including a copy of Mexican Naturalization papers for Helamen Pratt (Mitt Romney's maternal great-grandfather), that suggests George's mother was a Mexican citizen at the time of his birth .
Since the doubts concerning Obama's and Mitt Romney's "natural born citizen" status are Constitutional in nature, the honorable thing to do, if either one of these two men are, indeed, honorable, is to ask the Supreme Court (not Congress, not the voters, not the consensus of legal opinion) for a declaratory judgment in resolving these doubts before the next election in 2012.
*Print/Screen
ex animo
davidfarrar
Sez Who?
Submitted by greydawg on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:34am.
Note to Scarborough: Hey, Joe. Mika is not a "conservative leader." Neither are those left wing zealots you surround yourself with every morning. The idea that any conservative would prefer four more years of Obama to any - absolutely any - Repubican is absurd.
Hello greydawg!
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:44am.
Would you kindly preface remarks of that nature with a warning, i.e. "put down your coffee"?
Mika is not a "conservative leader".
OMO!
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
People can call BS all they want
Submitted by katiejane on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:34am.
but it may be a mistake pretend that there isn't a segment of Conservatives who feel that way. Not everyone is ABO, especially if they believe there is little difference bewteen Obama and a squish eager to pander to the middle/Independents. Given how easily some GOPers fold it isn't a far reach to figure a RINO would disappoint us just as much as a Dem - just at a slower more agonizing rate.
"Conservative leaders"
Submitted by Cactus Kurt on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:37am.
Joe's "conservative leaders" are the same as Politico's "unnamed sources".
Romeny is Worse Than Obama
Submitted by JustAl on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:39am.
Obama's over the top socialism has awakened the TEA movement, Romney's closeted socialism could lull the sheep back to sleep. There is no way I'd vote for Romney, there is simply no way. Better a gridlocked O.
". . . where despotism can be taken pure. . . without the base alloy of hypocrisy." A. Lincoln.
Maybe that's why Clinton got
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:51am.
Maybe that's why Clinton got a second term. We survived (or did we?).
I agree though, better to have a 'known' socialist to fight than a 'closet' one to be deceived by.
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
It's good that you are a christian
Submitted by cocodrie on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 10:02am.
But get some common sense. You are agreeing with someone who says do anything you want to anybody you want to but don't do it to me.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Huh?
Submitted by JustAl on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 10:31am.
What are you talking about? Did your respond to the wrong post?
Do you really think that putting the wheel in the hands of someone who only wants to "slow down" is good enough when the iceberg comes into view? Better to simply leave the fool at the helm and shut down the engine.
Good morning JustAl
Submitted by cocodrie on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 10:56am.
Remember Ross Perot?
The present POTUS is fixing to drive his devil's bus over the cliff with America in it.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Wait a minute
Submitted by KornKing on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 10:04am.
At least Willie was smart enough not to double and triple down on stupid. As much as I would prefer Mittens go away, anyone that would take Captain Kickass and Isuzu Joe needs to have a brain check, guessing there may be some surprises as Mittens(I still don't think he'll be nominated), if elected, would have to dance with those who brung him.
meet me at the mission at midnight
Really?
Submitted by JustAl on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 10:33am.
W was alledged to be a conservative. Is "sacrificing free market principles to save them" "dancing with who brung him"?
Sorry, to imagine that Romney would suddenly become a conservative if enough conservatives vote for him borders on hallucination.
This isn't a football game. If you keep punching the GOP ticket no matter what they drag up as "less evil" the political spectrum will continue to slide ever to the left. It's the compromise with evil that is the bigger evil.
You forget Al
Submitted by KornKing on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 2:14pm.
Is a brand new ball game now. In the past was a case of whichever party is in takes care of it's cronies. That's not going to fly with (most) GOPers now
Then We Lose the Country - and May God Have Mercy on our Souls
Submitted by scottyusmc on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:47am.
A second BOB adminstration unhampered by the thoughts of "re-election" will completely destroy this country once and for all. Game Over if these socialists get 4 unchecked years of control. Congressional GOP has already proven to be unable to mount much of a challenge, not that BOB cares what they do anyway.
for once we need Sarah Palin....
Submitted by jdripper on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 9:49am.
We need a force who is unequivocally conservative who will endorse Romney, but will say unequivocally after he is sworn into office if he suddenly becomes the President from the People's Republic of Massachusetts then in 2016 he will have a primary fight and be a one term President.
Someone needs the guts and the strength of their convictions to demand this. Romney has to stand up and be a Conservative or else he like BO will have the shame of being a one term President.
Jack
No Problem
Submitted by JustAl on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 10:38am.
You want Romney to agree to some "force" that he'll be a conservative? No problem, he will agree to anything from anyone to get elected. Do you seriously think he will "change"?
If Romney is nominated
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 10:06am.
ObamaCare as an issue in the election GOES OUT THE WINDOW.
Mitt has tied himself into a knot at this point that he cannot untie. There is no way he can go after Obama on the issue. RomneyCare is the parent of ObamaCare. Mitt should have renounced RomneyCare long ago.
We conservatives must do everything we can to ensure a real conservative TOPS the ticket. Time to reach into our pockets and get Herman Cain over the hump, I think.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Good morning Blonde
Submitted by cocodrie on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 10:20am.
I agree and I also believe that Romney probably is a losing candidate.
Speaking of your tag line, Our sportscaster, the late Buddy D., promised that when the Saints won the super bowl he'd wear a dress. He died just before they won and most of the sports leaders here did wear a dress in his honor. When you pass on maybe we'll use your tag line in your honor.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
I'm wearing a dress...will that get me out of this?
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 10:30am.
I'm afraid not.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Wearing a dress
Submitted by cocodrie on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 10:36am.
If you ride side-saddle you may make it.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
More of Joe's "Some Say"
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 10:36am.
Okay, fair warning......put down any potables.
Senator Scarborough?
(this is from a 2009 article):
Television host Joe Scarborough has a new radio show and is feeling good about the influence he's having on politics.
But the former congressman from Pensacola said he may run for office again, maybe even the U.S. Senate in 2010.
"I haven't closed it off," said Scarborough, a Republican who is scheduled to address the Manatee County Republican Party at its annual Lincoln Day Dinner on Feb. 20. "I've been getting some calls from some fundraisers in Florida."
Scarborough said he is also hearing from other U.S. senators who want him to run for the seat that Sen. Mel Martinez announced he is leaving next year.
He just needs to decide whether he could have as much influence on public policy as one of 100 senators as he does now on his MSNBC program "Morning Joe," he said.
In 2006, Scarborough met with Senate leaders who tried to persuade him to run against former U.S. Rep. Katherine Harris for the U.S. Senate. Scarborough backed off then, saying it was not the right time.
Though he is frequently in New York and Washington for "Morning Joe," Scarborough still lives in Pensacola, the city he represented in Congress from 1995 to 2001.
Scarborough, like other potential GOP candidates, is waiting to see what Gov. Charlie Crist decides to do. The popular Republican governor has yet to file for re-election, fueling speculation that he could run for the Senate.
My BS flag is getting more action today than it did during the Florida/Georgia game last Saturday (******argh********)
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
It's the GOP Elites
Submitted by JustAl on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 1:31pm.
Who'd better remember Perot. He was a far better candidate that Bush 41 but the "r" at any price, hold your nose and vote crowd stuck to their Milquetoast elitist. . . just like they're doing with Romney.
Political parties are vendors who supply a product, if the product is wanting, shoppers go elesewhere. Or would you rather "sacrifice free market principles to save them"?
Obama Romney
Submitted by Surly_Curmudgen on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 1:37pm.
Every night all the progressives get on their knees and pray fervently that the progressive Romney gets the nod to run against the progressive Obama. Then behind closed doors they can point and say"see we told you that the people are stupid". The choice has been between two progressives every election but two since 1960 so maybe the people are stupid.
Obama Romney Romney Obama step right up folks we will give you a choice, you can vote for this progressive or you can vote for this progressive. Each of them will do their best to eviscerate this nation as quickly as possible so that we can bring you our communist utopia. Isn't that special!