Alter: Obama 'A Reluctant Warrior,' Not Cowboy Like Bush
Of all the Obama sycophants in the press, could the president possibly have a more abject apologist than Jonathan Alter?
The MNSBC analyst gave a groveling demonstration of his devotion in an interview with Willie Geist, guest-hosting on The Daily Rundown this morning. Beyond the predictable swipes at W, notable was the essential incoherence of Alter's defense of PBO's foreign policy. At one point, as you'll see, Alter contradicts himself in the very same breath.
Meanwhile, Geist, best known as the amiable host of Way Too Early and sidekick on Morning Joe, showed that he has a serious side, putting Alter on the spot with a couple incisive observations.
View video after the jump.
Watch the video and note how Alter contradicts himself. At one point he contrasts W's conducting "multilateralism for appearances" with Obama's "genuine multilateralism" in Libya. But in the same breath he admits that "most of the weapons are being fired by the Americans" and that putting the French and others out front is essentially an Obama-administration show.
Note also Willie's observation that the fact that other countries support a given action doesn't make it right. Too true. If France and Britain jumped off the Empire State Building . . . So multilateralism makes no sense as a policy per se. And when pressed as to why Obama isn't pursuing in Yemen and Bahrain the same policy as in Libya, Alter alters course yet again, claiming Obama is a "pragmatist," unconcerned with "applying a consistent line." By the end of the interview, poor Jonathan had twisted himself in knots. The only thing that seemed straight was his utter devotion to defending the president.
JONATHAN ALTER: This is the hand he's been dealt by hisotry. He's a reluctant warrior. So it's not as if he's converted to being a cowboy. So I think people recognize the difference between him and former Pres. Bush.
WILLIE GEIST: He inherited Iraq and Afghanistan. He didn't inherit Libya. This is a choice he made with the UN. What kind of precedent is he setting? Are we beginning to see an Obama Doctrine where if there's a humanitarian crisis in the world, the United States will intervene?
ALTER: I think we are beginning to see an Obama Doctrine, but I think it's less focused on humanitarianism than it is on multilateralism, which is a big $50 word that doesn't sound so good on television but it basically means that we work together with our allies and we don't go charging off alone. But right now it is a very uncomfortable transition from what was sort of multilateralism for appearances, which is the way it was mostly handled under Bush, to genuine multilateralism, where the president doesn't even announce the beginning of hostilities. It's announced by the French. And even though most of the weapons are being fired by Americans, at the beginning, in the first 48 hours, they didn't want to admit that, so Hillary Clinton for instance referred to "them, they, others" enforcing Resolution 1973 from the Security Council rather than us being the ones who were taking the lead.
GEIST: Well, it's good to have cover from the French and British, but it doesn't necessarily mean that what your doing is the right thing to do. So we go into Libya, trying to protect the opposition, protect the rebels, protect citizens who are being slaughtered by Khaddafi. And now the question is being asked a lot right now, why not do the same in Yemen, where 52 protesters were shot in the street on Friday; why not do it in Bahrain, were people were being shot in the street. Can you explain the distinc tion there, and how it's a little bit of selective humanitarianism --
ALTER: -- situational multilateralism.
GEIST: Exactly.
ALTER: Well, I think the president is applying a case-by-case approach. So in Bahrain, for instance, where if the rebels had taken charge it would have been a real advantage for Iran, we had major strategic interests at play. And when the Saudia troops went into Bahrain we winked and said OK. In Yemen, where the government has been effective in--not so effective but at least is trying to fight al Qaeda--we weren't so anxious to see the rebels succeed, although the news today is that they are likely to succeed in Yemen. So each one of these cases is a little bit different. And the president is a pragmatist, and he's not interested in applying a consistent line.
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Warrior?
Submitted by Patriot II on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 11:04am.
More like an inept pimp imho!!Way to go, Willy?
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 11:05am.
He actually asked a couple of real questions, and made Jonathan look like the cork socker that he is. Multilateralism - a collection of wussies getting together to try and decide how little they can do to have as little effect as possible on a serious situation, so that it will eventually turn into a real humanitarian disaster that they can then blame on someone else.Personally...
Submitted by GeneralAl on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 11:25am.
Personally, I'd rather have a cowboy with cohones than a reluctant warrior in a skirt!"Old Soldiers never die, they just fade away"!
Obama wears Mom jeans
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 11:49am.
And doofy sneakers.
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...and Nike socks.
Submitted by Red Jeep on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 12:07pm.
...and Nike socks.→ And checkered pizzle
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 12:13pm.
Or is that chiseled pecs? I forget.Oh yes.. Obama deeply torn by launching 123 cruise missles
Submitted by redright88 on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 11:26am.
...and killing thousands of people,. And I'm sure he reflected upon this enormous slaughter of life....right after he crushed that 250 yard drive on the 12th hole at the Congressional course. "You da man Barry"!!! "Get in the hole"!→ redright
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 11:30am.
I didn't know Larry Sinclair went along to Rio.Warrior My ___
Submitted by BuffNBone on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 12:20pm.
In a great display of courage and commitment, our President walked the long way across a sand trap to address his ball. He then symbolically wiffed his first, second, third and fourth swings. As he left the trap he, carefully,and with great humility, raked the surface (by himself) so as to not leave any trace of his having been there.→ President ZEN
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 12:26pm.
Some of the most awe-inspiring rake marks ever left in sand.Bush waited 6 months...
Submitted by Prester John on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 11:26am.
. ...after Congress voted for the Iraq War resolution and got any number of UN resolutions before finally pulling the trigger.
BHO got nothing from Congress and pulled the trigger within hours of getting a UN resolution.
What's that about a "rush" to war?
For the Europeans it is about oil and preventing a flood of Libyan refugees from entering Europe. It is also about wanting to have some sort of American leadership in the world that is somewhere between the "cowboy" and hearing crickets chirping.
For Russia and China it is about allowing BHO to show a little backbone he can trumpet in 2012 since short of Dennis Kucinich, can Russia and China wish for anyone better to be President for the next 6 years?
And for Obama of course it's all about him.
Meanwhile, there are demonstrations in Syria in a which a Ba'ath party HQ was burned down.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/42187727
What will BHO and the Europeans do when Assad Jr. starts killing the protestors?
When you believe that the UN is the ultimate . . .
Submitted by Galvanic on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 11:35am.
. . . global legal authority, you don't need the Congress's authority.
Obama is a timid politician. He's gotten so far on so little, that he's afraid to act boldly. Even on Obamacare, he let Reid & Pelosi do all the heavy lifting, for which the Party took a beating at the polls last November.
Look at the BP debacle.
This man's idea of getting out in front of issues is to televise his NCAA Basketball Tournament picks on ESPN. Otherwise, he's an observer.
Well, Alter is enthralled,
Submitted by UpNorth on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 11:34am.
after all. I mean, you can't argue that he's possessed of "essential incoherence" of a foreign policy that is, in essence, completely incoherent.
As has been argued by several of the commenters on Fox this a.m., if intervention in Libya is good, why not Yemen, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea or Syria? They are countries who have turned their weapons on their own citizens, also. The single focus of the regime's foreign policy appears to be that there is no focus, at all.
And, not a peep from Shrillary, or Ears over the firing of over 50 rockets into Israel over the weekend? Never mind, I guess no one in the administration turned on the TV news to find out what's going on in the world, outside of Brazil. Not that they would have found anything on that on the alphabet networks, unless it was on one of the overnight programs. Canada Free Press carried the story, as did Fox. The rest of the LSM? Meh, who cares?
Warrior? Obama? This is more
Submitted by bassndude on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 11:47am.
Warrior? Obama? This is more like a collection of wimps banding together to to bully someone. Where are the anti-bully folks on this one?
Save a SeAL, club a liberal/troll!!
No journalists in sight...
Submitted by c5then on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 11:56am.
Not one has asked the hard questions: Why is Libya important enough to the US security and Bahrain not? Are Libyan lives worth more than Bahrainian lives? What about Yemen? Are civilians in Yemen worth the same protection that the civilians in Libya are getting?What about the sudden attacks on Israel from Hamas all of a sudden? Now that the word's attention is distracted are we not concerned about that any more?
Our criteria for intervention seems to be "pick the least politically problematic country and one with preferably no actual national security ramifications should it go poorly. Then take a follower role and allow France to be the leader."
Why initiate military action and establish a no-fly-zone only to try and perpetuate the status quo? There are all sorts of places where civilians are being killed by their own government or other groups of civilians. What makes Libya special enough to deserve UN/NATO protection?
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
Uh hoh please....
Submitted by NeoKong on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 12:11pm.
Let's stop pretending that Obama put this all together. In his whole political career he has never even one time shown any compassion for protecting civilians. Civilians are being murdered all over the world every day and he does nothing. Americans are killed by pirates. He does nothing. Mexicans are slaughtered by the dozens every week in Mexico by drug cartels. He does nothing. Americans are being murdered on the border by illegals. Whole families are murdered in their beds in Israel and not a peep. The list goes on and on. What is so special about Libya, a country that hates us...? They got oil. It would be interesting to find out if any wealthy billionaires have some sort of interest in Libyan oil.→ The Sally Fields President
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 12:15pm.
They like me. They really like me.I'm sure there's at least one...
Submitted by falcon on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 9:30pm.
...George Soros. And maybe Warren Buffett, too. Let's not forget Teh Won's illegal moratorium on domestic deep-water drilling that has cost jobs and caused rigs to move out of the Gulf. All of this is designed to increase, not decrease, our dependence on foreign oil, so that when the other shoe drops (and it will), we are left with no choice in the matter. We'll all be driving Volts and getting what little electricity we can from wind and solar power. At outrageously inflated prices.
Better learn to be happy with watching TV by candlelight.
“I will not stand by and watch this great country destroy itself under mediocre leadership, that drifts from one crisis to the next, eroding our national will and purpose.” – Ronald Reagan, July 17, 1980.
Gee Barry, what changed?
Submitted by Tomorama on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 12:09pm.
The president does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."
Senator/Candidate Obama fall 2007
Let's face it.
Submitted by almostacowboy on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 12:18pm.
After living with Michelle all these years, Dear Leader was probably happy to be hen-pecked by two different women - Rice and Clinton. Reminds me of the old joke about the woman that tells her husband to take off various articles of her clothing, then says, "and don't let me catch you wearing them again".Alter Is Brainless
Submitted by rammingspeed on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 12:49pm.
Being a "reluctant warrior" gets you killed every time. Every time. Alter is a notoriously stupid left wing dolt.They are DAFT!
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 1:00pm.
I could not and would not EVER mistake the Chairman for any kind of warrior, let alone reluctant. Just remember how soft his hands are. Hell, people are mistaking him for a man when it's a manchild.
He's now on his way to falling from grace(as if he ever had any) and will be disgraced. If the dimmis are talking impeachment, you know he's lost some allies in Congress and it's only a matter of time before he's removed.
It's funny how the MSM is all over the place calling this a US led mission when it was actually France that led. But unlike other violations to the Constitution before, he did a HUGE violation of it and there's no getting away from it.
-Jon
President Golfer could order air strikes against the UK, Israel,
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 1:08pm.
...Australia, and Canada, and brainless Obamabots like Alter would come up with some way of justifying them.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
I have no problem with the inconsistency
Submitted by OffTheLows on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 1:08pm.
oil interests have a symbiotic relationship to the economy, so while dictators who maintain reasonably good relationships are allowed to quell their protests, a terrorist leader like Gaddafi isn't given the same treatment. Egypt has little oil so I suspect there was some ambivalence. This whole issue for the right should be something to just observe and see how everything shakes out before staking a position, because it's the fringe left that is spontaneously combusting over what's going on with some of them even suggesting the president they elected should be impeached. They have a lot of difficulty dealing with real world politics coming into play after being brainwashed about a land of peace, love and socialism they thought they were getting before the midterms.
Angry Alter
Submitted by Arminius on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 1:13pm.
Alter seems to have gotten more angry after his lost his toupee.He had so much anger it
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 4:19pm.
He had so much anger it burned off of his haid."we are beginning to see an Obama Doctrine"
Submitted by upcountrywater on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 1:41pm.
And it's Very Green. Today (3-21-11) the Libyans are using less oil, than they have in 40 years. Destroying the energy infrastructure, everywhere he can. No fly zones, no drill zones...You Didn't Build That.
Well, now you have hit upon
Submitted by dscott on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 2:42pm.
Well, now you have hit upon something. The Libyan adventure from this perspective makes a lot of sense and holds to a consistent theme of limiting the production of oil and natural gas. Creating a bottleneck in supply drives up the price of oil which is what benefits the Green Agenda and limits the subsidies needed for Wind and Solar and benefits people like Soros in drilling off of Brazil. Yeah, what we see here is political corruption playing itself out in the most disgusting manner possible.I was arguing/debating with
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 4:26pm.
I was arguing/debating with some lib and I told him drilling would increase supply and therefore make way for reduced prices. He tried to tell me it was wall street traders and that is why teh prices rise. I kept arguing supply and demand. Libs are pretty dense sometimes.
Dense? Depends on which
Submitted by dscott on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 4:38pm.
Dense? Depends on which group you talk, there are only two types of libs, the myth makers and the myth believers.Well...
Submitted by falcon on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 9:55pm.
...while there's no denying that supply and demand play a large role in oil prices, there is some evidence that commodities speculators are also - or may have been - involved in hiking up the price.
Remember a few years ago (I think it was January 2008 - according to Wikipedia that references an article that LexisNexis says it cannot obtain, so I can't verify this information) when oil briefly traded at $100 a barrel? At the time, commodities traders and others speculated that it was speculation (see this article by Ed Wallace in BusinessWeek) and that oil could never go above $100 a barrel because the supply was too great. That same year, an investigation by the Commodities Futures Trading Commission, the British Financial Services Authority, and the ICE Futures Europe interagency task force concluded that it was the world economy's rapid expansion and drops in supply that fueled the later price spikes well above $100 a barrel. (All this information comes from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_of_petroleum, so take it with a grain of salt. There are, however, lots of references.)
Now, having said that, I still find it hard to believe that commodities traders are not having some fun at our expense. Note that, in the days after the Japan quake and resultant nuclear scare, oil prices dropped below $100/bbl. When Libya happened, oil spiked again.
Or is the tail wagging the dog, and speculators needed the price to go up - and that's why Libya happened?
Call it paranoid if you will, but there seems to be little coincidence between the two events.
“I will not stand by and watch this great country destroy itself under mediocre leadership, that drifts from one crisis to the next, eroding our national will and purpose.” – Ronald Reagan, July 17, 1980.
Speculation is the key in
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Tue, 03/22/2011 - 7:47am.
Speculation is the key in your idea. Speculators driven by factors of possible lowered supply bid on futures of oil deliveries and thereby drive prices up further. Then it rises to a point of reason and either levels out of drops. This is supply and demand, albeit artificially created, like a housing market.pompous twit
Submitted by Rackie on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 1:55pm.
Bahrain (i /bɑːˈreɪn/, Arabic: البحرين Al Baḥrayn), What's with this "Ba-ha-rain" crap? Johnny you pretentious ass.Rackie
Submitted by Mark Finkelstein on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 2:51pm.
I was also struck by Alter's pronunciation of Bahrain, as if he knew something us mere plebes didn't. Thanks for documenting that he was in fact wrong! I'm reminded of how during the Bosnian war, Madeleine Albright liked to show off by pronouncing Kosovo "kuh-suh-vuh."Mark
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 3:27pm.
Hey Mr. Tolly-Bon, bring me a bo-na-na. Of course, Mr. Tolly-Bon is in Poke-ee-ston.
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Nobel Peace Prize
Submitted by Right of Rush on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 2:51pm.
Has nobody questioned how our Commander In Chief, who won the Nobel in 2009, for ringing in an era of peace (though he had not done it yet), and has since NOT closed Guantanimo Bay, NOT stopped the Iraq war, INCREASED the number of US troops in Afghanistan (of which my son is one of them), and now INITIATED the bombing of Libya??? Why is nobody requesting the prize back from this "Warmonger"?Cold-blooded murder...
Submitted by shooter on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 3:19pm.
Commandante Zero could commit cold-blooded murder in front of 100 news cameras carrying the event live and he would still be hailed by the MSM as a cool dude, a reluctant warrior, and richly deserving of all vacation time. Come on now...did you really expect any different treatment from the MSM?_________________________________________
"An armed society is a polite society" -- Robert A. Heinlein
There is a hidden subtext
Submitted by dscott on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 4:40pm.
There is a hidden subtext here: Obama makes his bones. Whereas Iraq and Afghanistan were boots on the ground initiated by W, Libya is Obama's little video game war.When it gets down to brass tacks
Submitted by TBAR on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 5:06pm.
And you're sitting in a foxhole in Northern Afghanistan, Who would you rather have guarding your back? George W or Barack H?The guy has...
Submitted by Rycher660 on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 6:21pm.
made a mess of everything he's put his name on. The "Great Unitier" has turned this country into a Three Ring Circus... How can anybody still believe in him?Keep back-pedaling Jonathan!
Submitted by drsamherman on Mon, 03/21/2011 - 9:33pm.
if we can put you on a treadmill or a cycle-pedal, with a single action you could solve America's dependency on foreign oil sources. I rate his hypocrisy at 30 gigawatts and increasing.Alter is the master at
Submitted by WarEagle66 on Tue, 03/22/2011 - 3:17pm.
Alter is the master at fellatio with words. I think he and Matthews may have a "chick-fight" to see who loves Obama more.He's a master alright...
Submitted by OldJoe on Wed, 03/23/2011 - 9:33am.
A master butt - snorkeler!!!