Scarborough Says 'Judge Not' . . . Then Calls Kyl And DeMint 'Un-Christlike'
Update: Joe denies judging Kyl and DeMint. See video after the jump.
Call it an episode of Short Self-Attention Span Theater . . .
Mere moments after citing Matthew 7's instruction to "judge not, that ye be not judged," Joe Scarborough judged Jon Kyl and Jim DeMint to be "un-Christlike."
Scarborough's strange self-contradiction came in the course of his diatribe against the two Republican senators for having criticized Harry Reid for threatening to keep the Senate in session through Christmas.
View video after the jump.
Marvel at Joe failing to practice what he had just preached.
JOE SCARBOROUGH: I'm blown away. I mean that [Kyl's statement] is offensive. It's offensive that people would use Christianity for political leverage.
. . .
[For Kyl and DeMint] to be self-righteous? I mean, judge not that ye be not judged. Do we want to go through Bible verses? But questioning Harry Reid's Christianity? Suggesting he's blasphemous?
. . .
I don't usually say this, but I think Sen. DeMint, who I know and like and respect, and Jon Kyl, owe Harry Reid an apology. And I will say it. I will go there: it is un-Christlike. I will go there. It is un-Christlike to judge another man's faith in the way they have judged Harry Reid's faith--a devout Mormon; a devout Christian.
In a strange sequel, when the subject arose later in the show Joe denied having judged Kyl and DeMint. Declaring people to be "unChristlike"=not judging? O-kay. View the video.
SCARBOROUGH: So speaking about outrageous, we were speaking of course about two Republican senators saying that, questioning Harry Reid's Christian faith, suggesting that his actions were sacriligeous. And as I suggested, if you look at the words of Jesus, we were told judge not that you be not judged. So just on the basis of it, it's interesting, them being judgemental actually makes them go against the teachings of Jesus. It puts them in an interesting position. I of course do not judge them. It's not my job.
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I swear if you guys didn't
Submitted by Thoreau on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 8:10am.
I swear if you guys didn't watch these Al-jazeera wanna-be's, nobody would.
I tried...I really did.
Submitted by kg on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 10:30am.
I tried watching MSNBC. An honest try. Maddow's motormouth could be tolerated only 12 minutes. Schultz was tolerated for 17 minutes...only because I was laughing at him. Matthews...5 minutes. And Olbermann was tolerated for a whopping 2 minutes.
"DumbAssity of Dope"
Joe is a true liberal now.
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 8:55am.
Isn't it always liberals who bring up the Bible, and quote Christ's teachings, to berating as un-Christlike anyone who objects to "charity" in the form of welfare and other government giveaways?
Sen. Jim McDermott on extension of unemployment benefits:
This is Christmas-time. We talk about Good Samaritans, the poor, the little baby Jesus in the cradle and all this stuff. And then we say to the unemployed we won't give you a check to feed your family. That's simply wrong. And let's not even get started on the tagging as "unChristian" those who oppose illegal immigration! But it's OK to judge then.Thanks for posting the McDermott quotation
Submitted by Galvanic on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 10:02am.
I know there have been several Democratic references linking Christianity to everything from unemployment benefits to health care reform to so-called "social justice." But the MSM never seemed to find fault with those.
I listened to Morning Joe today on my drive to work, and heard the whining over Kyl and DeMint. Scarborough and the others were indeed passing judgment on the two for being judgmental.
What they pay so little attention to is the fact that we're two weeks away from the end of the first fiscal quarter in Fiscal Year 2011 (FY11), and this Congress has failed to pass a FY11 budget as they are required to do. Now, they want to repeat the disasters of 2009 by voting on bills that no one has the time to read, and they're blaming Republicans for objecting.
Sorry about McDermott and Murray...
Submitted by bigdaddy on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 7:53pm.
We do what we can out here in Washington State but it's hard to change the opinions of the brain-dead (and actually deceased) liberal voters who continue to return these nitwits to DC.
I hate it when people use f***ing vulgarity!
Submitted by KC Mulville on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 8:41am.
"And I will say it! I will go there!"
What? Was someone holding him back?
That's hilarious. People use this kind of language loosely, all the time. It isn't meant to be taken so literally. So it's ridiculous to get in a huff about Kyl's language when Scarborough uses such language himself.
One of my high school students once asked me if "judge not lest ye be judged" meant that if you agreed not to complain about anyone else, you could do anything you wanted? So they'll let you get away with murder ... but not complaining?
Who you associate with matters.
Submitted by c5then on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 8:56am.
Joe is perfect evidence for this. He started out being a moderate Republican. After years on the MSNBC channel and dealing with Mika and company, he has become a moderate Democrat.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
Don't be misled by
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 7:32pm.
Don't be misled by NewsBusters cherry-picking. Hardly a day goes by that Scarborough isn't blasting Democrats. He's less of the ideological tough-guy that he was 15 years ago, but he's definitely still conservative.
Jer
say it ain't so, Joe
Submitted by glider02 on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:48pm.
Scarborough is a man without a country. Look...he can refer to himeself as whatever he wants, but take it from the rank and file conservatives...he's not welcome at our party. He has become a guy with a NYC address who likes his invatations to the chi chi cocktail parties. He's a guy who had a radio show in the biggest market in the country and got canned. He's Mike Castle with a job. He's Mark Mckinnon with a panhandle accent. Those things don't make him a bad guy....but they sure the hell don't make him a conservative.
jer
Submitted by amyshulk on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 12:31am.
The problem is that he spouts conservative values but invalidates those values by putting on his "analyst" hat and arguing the liberal position.
He calls for civility, and it the next breath mercilessly mocks {mostly} those who speak to those values he professes to love.
I see both sides too, so I do get what he is saying when he puts on that "hat" but the attempts to be in with the "cool kids" by tearing down others is a lefty trait - and a MAJOR turn off - I don't know if I'll keep DVR'ing this show.
Ronald Reagan
Well amy... You may be
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 2:24am.
Well amy...
You may be right about switching analytical hats, and I do know he criticizes some whom many conservatives believe should be immune from criticism--he also lambastes Democrats--but as far as his theories of governance and core political philosophy, speaking as a left-leaning Democrat, I can assure you Joe is not a "liberal" in any sense of the word.
Jer
And despite how you interpret the Scabs mouthings---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 2:27am.
he ain't no closer to conservatism than he is liberalism.
MD
The hell he ain't. Have you
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 2:39am.
The hell he ain't. Have you heard him go off on one of his small government, slash spending/low taxes, anti-left, Reaganesque rants?
No...because it doesn't get reported at NewsBusters. It doesn't fit in with the Joe the RINO narrative.
Jer
Amazing to me, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 2:58am.
that the only person at NBs who promotes Joe Scarborough as a conservative, is a liberal.
Odd.
Also, everything that NBs does point out about Scab's mouthings, are shown to be the antithesis of any type of conservative characteristic.
You say he talks up conservatism, NBs points out the opposite.
If either side is laying it on too thick, it may well be partisanship peeking out.
If both sides are providing equal examples, that could well mean that by speaking from both sides of his mouth simultaneously, or as a liberal lover one day and a conservative proponent the next, Scarborough has effectively neutered himself, and cannot be respected, or trusted, as being either.
MD
md...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 3:00am.
It is a bit odd isn't it?
I think it has more to do with the fact that Scarborough is perched three hours every morning at MSNBC and the notion being pushed here is that the network doesn't tolerate conservative viewpoints. [Now, don't go accusing me of denying MSNBC's liberal slant. I'm not.]
Jer
Jer wishes
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 3:08am.
Jer wishes I would create a forum topic for him - but it aint gonna happen.
And Jer hates that.
I wouldn't do that, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 3:08am.
because even though you lean left, you have never been overreachingly rabid about it.
I have watched enough of MSNBC to truly believe that not only will they not tolerate conservative viewpoints, they will actively demean anyone who does.
That is indeed, only my opinion; but I tend to believe what I actually see and hear.
MD
Lightfoot
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 3:15am.
Jer came down through field of green, on the summer side of life
Jer
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 2:35am.
depends on which school the sorting hat sends you to
You seem like a Hufflepuff kind of guy (git) to me
ah
Submitted by amyshulk on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 12:04pm.
jer - the left thinks it's in the right and that the right is in the extreme, nevermind that the majority agrees with the conservatives on their basic tenets.
This sets up a dynamic where the lefts' view {in the msm} is considered the starting point, and any who deviate are lambasted.
My friends IRL are mostly left, and I've found we agree on the destination, just not the route, and we also realize a hybrid of our views results in the mess we have now of crony capitalism.
I remember my parents discussing the tax code in the 70's - how it was skewed to help the "rich" keep most of their $$$ while we in the middle class got slammed. When the left decry the wealth gap, I'm reminded of that & wonder that more people don't speak to it. Whatever was fixed was ruined, and we are back where we were then, if not worse off!
So the notion of "fairness" is seen as just another way for the truly rich & our gov't. to make out at the expense of the middle class - hence the pushback.
The more we punish people for trying to get ahead {taxes/regulations/transfer payments} the less we want to try - I'm at a loss as to why this is considered a positive path?
As to Joe - he bought into the lie: that the left has the moral high ground so the right MUST bend. That's my issue with him.
Ronald Reagan
Scarborough is such an
Submitted by NC Cop on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 9:01am.
Scarborough is such an idiot. Please stop referring to yourslef as a conservative or Republican, Joe. It's a crock and it's giving the rest of us a bad name.
Backtracking
Submitted by capav on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 9:28am.
I heard him say he's not judging Kyl and Demint's Christianity. He's a joke. He judges EVERYONE he disagrees with. Now he's judging Palin.
Delighted to announce that I
Submitted by Van Halen on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 9:33am.
Delighted to announce that I have NEVER watched Scarborough. Probably never will.
It's a real hoot listening to these
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 9:51am.
anti religion asses quoting the bible without a clue that they in fact the offenders in the quote.
Scarborough says.....
Submitted by Texndoc on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 9:58am.
Scarborough says....
Scarborough says....
Scarborough says....
Do what I do, quit watching. As bad as I find "Fox and Friends", every so often a Michelle Malkin or a Paul Ryan or similar shows up. Scarborough is pretty predictable with his stable of loons and don't put your hand on a hot stove every morning and expect finally not to be burned. I guarantee you if you could read the minds of the others (Halperin -yes, Mika- what mind? Willie Giest-DEFINITELY) they are saying "Lord what an idiot" when Joe speaks.
But how are they going to
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 10:22am.
But how are they going to call them out on the bias if they don't watch?
True.
Submitted by Texndoc on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 10:32am.
Boy, do I feel sorry for whoever gets assigned Moaning Joe duty. I'd rather watch "Glee". Wait, no I wouldn't.
TexDoc, I could not agree
Submitted by marpel on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 10:43am.
TexDoc, I could not agree with you more....But, if it wasn't for Mark and the other fine folks at Newsbusters, we wouldn't know how some of the RINOs, like Joe are compromising our conservative values...we need to know our enemies too...Just my thoughts. Nonetheless, I truly wish they'd do something to improve the horrendous FOX AND FRIENDS....it's so freakin' painful to watch....I usually just watch my local NEWS because I expect them to be horrible. And no, I still wouldn't watch GLEE...I'd rather stick needles in my eyes...
"Deep within my heart lies a memory. A song of ol' San Antone..."
Simulcast Imus on Fox News & Fox Business
Submitted by Red Jeep on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:29am.
I really like Steve and Brian, and Gretchen. I think Steve's son is doing a good job of reporting. But I don't like Fox and Friends as a morning show. Maybe a mid afternoon spot would be better for that.
It would be a delicious irony if Imus on Fox News out did Morning Joe, the show that replaced his on MSNBC, by a million or more viewers.
Scarborough....
Submitted by adamsmith on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 10:34am.
Am I the only person in the world who thinks that Joe Scarborough may be mildly retarded? Mika B. I have no doubts about. Then again if all the MSNBC talking heads had to take a bus to work together, I'll bet any money they would come in on the short bus.....
First, Joe, devout Mormons and devout Christians...
Submitted by Mike Bratton on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 10:53am.
...are mutually exclusive, since one cannot, simultaneously, be both. If one is the former, one is not the latter; once one is the latter, one can never be the former. Oh, and for my NB friends--before attacking this statement of fact, please familiarize yourself with what Mormonism and Christianity actually believe about:
Harry has no religious refuge in this matter. And I've seen enough impotent flailing in this matter to be able to say that no one here who objects to this overall statement of fact regarding Mormonism has yet to even tacitly admit that what Mormonism believes, with regard to those (and other) crucial points, differs fundamentally from the beliefs of Christianity. (It's not my opinion, it's objective fact. So let's not go down that unproductive road again. Facts are facts.)
Secondly, Obama has used Christianity for political leverage since, well, always. If you're going to criticize politicians for using belief systems as props, Joe, start at the top of the current regime.
Thirdly, in fairness, there is no "sacrilege" involved in Christians working around Christmas; were that the case, and as but one example, church-run hospitals would have to shut down during that time.. There isn't even "sacrilege" involved in working on Christmas Day, if you offer your work (as any Christian should) as a sacrifice to honor God.
--Mike
I would respectfully ask
Submitted by Mark Finkelstein on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 10:59am.
I would respectfully ask people on this thread to please eschew arguments about Mormonism and Christianity. Let's please stick to the politics of the matter.
The thread
Submitted by Iron Tigers Vet on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:05am.
is based on the those two particular faiths and the fact that Joe is the pot calling the kettle black.
Sorry. Just referencing the quotes, Mark.
Submitted by Mike Bratton on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:49am.
Joe equated the two belief systems, and you quoted his statement.
When people inject faith and religion into political discussions, it's a tall order to distill them back out again.
But, if you'd like for us to focus solely on the political aspects of, um, well, one TV commentator referring to two Senators as "un-Christlike" while referring to another Senator as both "devoutly Mormon" and "devoutly Christian" in the same breath, while mishandling the words of Jesus Himself picked unceremoniously out of their Biblical context, mixed into the overall issue of whether or not it's sacrilege for Congress to work around the time of the celebration of Jesus' birthday... then, that's O.K. by me.
Hmm...
--Mike
Joe, you idiot savant
Submitted by Iron Tigers Vet on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:03am.
"It is un-Christlike to judge another man's faith in the way they have judged Harry Reid's faith--a devout Mormon; a devout Christian."First off, using Mormonism and Christianity in the same line is complete idiocy. Mormons have their own faith. He's either or, not both. Secondly, before backing ones "faith" you should really understand what that faith preaches. So with that being said Joe, does that mean you also believe that there are inhabitants on the moon and sun? Mormons believe it, guess that makes Harry a bit on the looney side don't ya think?
ITV
Submitted by Mark Finkelstein on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:28am.
Iron: please see my comment at #17.
yes
Submitted by Iron Tigers Vet on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:35am.
I saw it after I had posted my comment.
QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS?
Submitted by Herbster on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 12:32pm.
Does anyone watch this show? I understand that the ratings for this "Morning moronmishmash" are somewhere at the bottom of the Marianas Trench. Joe must be off his meds. Meeeeka needs meds. Joe's attempts to be "Intellectual" and pontificate are the humorous high point of the day. A twit is a twit is a twit.
Kat-Spit has more viewers ( CNN's Parker-Spitzer)
Submitted by Red Jeep on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 12:40pm.
And that is viewed as a failed show.
YEP
Submitted by amyshulk on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 6:19pm.
I do - I tried to watch the other shows MSNBC has, but I just couldn't stomach the hateful, spiteful, snarkiness so I gave up!
I kept MJ to watch to see what the TP's of the day would be - I DVR it and have it as background while I'm on the net.
I FF through their cutesy crap & repeat sections so it doesn't take all *that* long to watch.
It is worth it for the rare truth telling - like yesterday when they were discussing why there is such a huge wealth gap - I was stunned they admitted gov't was at fault/was a prime mover!!!
Ronald Reagan
i tried to watch Rachel
Submitted by sometimesright on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 7:15pm.
i tried to watch Rachel Maddow(and Joy,Olb,C.Matth.) several times from start to finish. i really did. no exaggeration, i couldn't listen to her for very long. she oozed so much arrogance and condescension i would've paid big money for Bill O to make a surprise guest appearance and SHRED her.
Fat cats and kittens
Submitted by iveseenitall on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:35pm.
Joe and Mika dwell on all criticism----all the way to the bank!
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
The former Joe Scarborough
Submitted by Wawaashkeshi on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:27pm.
Young Joe has sold his soul to playing the ratings game; even if it is at the margins with penny stocks.
I used to enjoy his candor but these days his schitck stinks like real bad coffee breath.
my 2c
"UnChristlike"?
Submitted by depdad on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 3:22pm.
It amazes me that Scarborough can say that something is unChristlike; I wonder if he even knows what "Christlike" is?
Judge not
Submitted by wingnut55 on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 3:50pm.
Once again someone "cherry picks" a Bible verse. That verse means that if you judge someone, be prepared to be judged with the same criteria. That is what Jesus was saying. Not that we can't judge anyone.
He cracks me up ...but is
Submitted by J.M.FELS on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 5:21pm.
He cracks me up ...but is okay to attack Sarah and anyone else about their religous beleives,,,,Oh i forgot Dems are off limit....God Bless
i'll judge Reid's behavior
Submitted by sometimesright on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 6:50pm.
i'll judge Reid's behavior ALL DAY regarding his mormon faith. i'll also judge Pelosi's catholic faith. since everything they do in the political realm seems to countermand what true faith based conservativism really is. just about everything liberals believe in is antithesis to christianity. if they can't see that then well......send them back to sunday school THEN send them back to the House.
gag
Submitted by amyshulk on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:29pm.
Just got to this {watched Greta, Cavuto & Kudlow 1st} and Tina got it - it was a misread by Kyl & Demint {IMHO they should have said it was an affront to us voters instead] but Joe & co going on & on made me gag!!!
Net net? I'm with Kyl & Demint over Joe the blowhard!!!
Ronald Reagan