If Joe Scarborough is right, this could be a game-changing blow to Barack Obama . . .
On today's Morning Joe, Scarborough left no doubt that he believes the Obama administration acquiesced to the release by the British government of Abdelbaset Al Megrahi, the convicted Lockerbie murderer and terrorist.
Scarborough was reacting to reports suggesting that, contrary to initial claims, the release was done at the behest of Gordon Brown's British government, and was not an independent move by Scotland.
JOE SCARBOROUGH: I'm talking about the British deal: oil for terrorists. And Chuck Todd earlier today said the White House needs to answer questions: what did the president know, when did he know it? Did the administration know about this deal? Did they go along with it?. . .
PAT BUCHANAN: It's hard for me to believe that the British government, Gordon Brown and these other folks, working these things out with Scotland to let this terrorist go, who has killed 260 or 270 people, including about five dozen American school kids, that they would let him go and not give the White House a heads-up as to what is coming down the pike.. . .
SCARBOROUGH: This is just one of those stories that smells from the very beginning. They set up that Scottish guy to hold the press conference, like he's going to release the biggest terrorist this side of al Qaeda? . . . No! You knew the British government was attached. We predicted it last week; it's come true. Then that raises the next question: what's the link between Great Britain's government and the U.S. government? Anybody that works in Washington for more than a day knows the British government is not going to release a terrorist that killed American kids without getting the OK from the American government.
SCARBOROUGH: Because of that celebration, this is the end of Gordon Brown's government; there's no surviving this, is there? This is the last straw.American governments don't fall like British ones can. But if it's true that Pres. Obama gave the green light for the release of a terrorist directly responsible for the deaths of dozens of Americans, his administration will suffer a huge blow. How intensely will the MSM pursue the story?
BUCHANAN: I don't think there is any surviving: this guy is just holding on . . . My guess is this thing went up the food chain at State [Department] and went up the food chain through the NSC.
SCARBOROUGH: If this did not end up at the White House, Mike Barnicle, I would be shocked.
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.




















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Well if this is true lets
August 31, 2009 - 08:20 ET by Dan The Man 2Well if this is true lets all get ready for "Another one bites the dust" Another one under the bus. Lets speculate who that would be...perhaps Hillary Clinton?
I wouldn't bet against
August 31, 2009 - 08:30 ET by G. MayI wouldn't bet against you.
I could guarantee Obama
August 31, 2009 - 10:13 ET by kgI could guarantee Obama signed off on it. Played it like he did with NAFTA during the campaign.
"DumbAssity of Dope"
Shovel-ready
August 31, 2009 - 08:24 ET by motherbeltHow intensely will the MSM pursue the story?
It's a "shovel-ready" project for the MSM....start burying it, guys!
→ Shovel-Ready
August 31, 2009 - 08:30 ET by Cool ArrowSpeaking of which! I hear they're actually going to bury Michael Jackson this week.
We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy
Isn't James Brown still in a warehouse somewhere?
August 31, 2009 - 09:06 ET by SickofLibsIsn't James Brown still in a warehouse somewhere?
→ 75 days
August 31, 2009 - 09:08 ET by Cool ArrowHe was stinking the place up for 75 days, but he finally got planted.
We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy
Cool...
August 31, 2009 - 09:45 ET by JerYou seem to be quite knowledgeable about this topic. What about Ted Williams' head?
Jer
Jer
August 31, 2009 - 12:42 ET by well99His son should be flogged.Then tarred and feathered and dropped off in the Mojave Desert.
Ow! "So this is how
August 31, 2009 - 11:09 ET by Lord ElicaniOw!
"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause."
Padmé Amidala, Revenge of the Sith
Cool One, Speaking of which...
August 31, 2009 - 11:21 ET by goldenthroatAny new sightings of Jimmy Hoffa lately?
"Inferior people should not be employed." - Nick Danger, Third Eye
→ Yes, Goldenthroat!
August 31, 2009 - 11:25 ET by Cool ArrowRight next to the tomb of the unregistered voter - firesign theater
We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy
Cool one, just one question..
August 31, 2009 - 11:53 ET by goldenthroatIs that near the old same place? And remember - you can't get there from here!
"Who am us, anyway?" - Firesign Theatre
→ Yup
August 31, 2009 - 11:58 ET by Cool ArrowIt's around back. Here's the key.
We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy
I only have a half a
August 31, 2009 - 19:12 ET by Tom PaineI only have half a key.
I had to split it with the sound effects man...
How convenient for the MsM
August 31, 2009 - 09:53 ET by QueenMumHow convenient for the MsM that Kennedy's funeral is over. Now they can focus their full attention on all the drama and pathos of the Jackson burial. Makes you wonder sometimes about such coincidences. Not that I feel a need to dig out my tin foil hat just yet. But the MsM must be high-fiving each other that things worked out the way they did.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
Start shoveling
August 31, 2009 - 09:59 ET by QueenMumHa. motherbelt, you're a gem.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
Agree
August 31, 2009 - 08:30 ET by Gat New YorkAs you said, if there is evidence that Obama gave Gordon Brown the green light on the release of Abdelbaset Al Megrahi, it is over for him politically and personally.
It would cast him as a danger to American national security along with his other highly questionable actions and should set him, along with other actions, on a path of impeachment once the GOP comes back into power in 2010.
Personally, Obama's approval numbers would plummet in the teens and would be unable to govern at all.
Like Scarborough, given this man's views and actions it would not surprise me if he did sign off on this.
Wow...
August 31, 2009 - 08:36 ET by Georgia GirlEven the MSM shouldn't be able to ignore this. I say "shouldn't" because I have no confidence in them at all. It's something to watch, for sure. If true, it's big.
I should hope that at least
August 31, 2009 - 09:46 ET by Kat Outta the BagI should hope that at least Fox will be on it like flies on a cow patty.
GG...
August 31, 2009 - 10:09 ET by JerWell, I agree. The speculation is intriguing. But one contraindicative [is that a word?] factor is that a domestic firestorm had already been lit and spreading well before the release date.
Reasonable minds within the administration should have realized that the revelation of even implicit support could cause enormous political damage. Obama still had time to withdraw any prior approval of or acquiesence in the freeing of that murdering slimeball.
Jer
If this guy does not turn
August 31, 2009 - 10:17 ET by Gat New YorkIf this guy does not turn up dead in about 3 months you can bet there will be an explosion of investigations into why this happened and it will not be from just Republicans. Right now there are Democrats in New Jersey who are outraged that Ghaddafi will be residing in a tent in New Jersey and efforts are being made to bar him from doing so.
GMTA gat
August 31, 2009 - 10:26 ET by candanceThe first thing I said to my hubby is that I have 20 bucks saying he doesn't die any time soon.
I think it is time for
August 31, 2009 - 11:37 ET by dscottI think it is time for Obama's myrid of sealed records to mysteriously hit the internet...
Also, what did Secretary of State Clinton know? I find it inconceivable that she wouldn't have been consulted, however she may have had the serendipitus good fortune of Obama's marginalization and isolation tactics that will insulate her from the political meltdown.
Obama now is officially the Albatrose around the necks of the Democrat Party. Either they toss him or they go down with him. Obama is the message and the message is Obama, time to change the message.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
think it is time for
August 31, 2009 - 19:54 ET by Apachethink it is time for Obama's myrid of sealed records to mysteriously hit the internet
Hmmm, maybe not such a good idea to decide to go after the CIA.
Some cubicle at
September 15, 2009 - 11:46 ET by Lord ElicaniSome cubicle at Langley:
*presses button* "Oops."
"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause."
Padmé Amidala, Revenge of the Sith
why should he suspect political damage?
August 31, 2009 - 10:24 ET by candanceIt's not like the MSM will criticize him for it. And if anything does come out of it, conservatives in the media will be the only ones to report it. Then it will follow the same predictable route: conservies will be called racist for bringing it up, Beck will be accused of wanting ratings, and we'll all be reminded that Rush Limbaugh said some rude thing six months ago.
betcha, candance...
August 31, 2009 - 11:28 ET by JerIt's not like the MSM will criticize him for it.
I'll bet you the $20 you may win about the guy not dying anytime soon that you're dead wrong about that claim. He'd get skewered for it--even by the MSM.
Jer
Based on Obama's concern for the treatment of terrorists
August 31, 2009 - 08:34 ET by FeynmanFanBased on Obama's concern for the treatment of terrorists, Obama probably not only agreed with releasing Abdelbaset Al Megrahi but also offered him a sincere apology and a lovely parting gift.
"I support the President but not his policies" - Blonde
FeynmanFan, why should this surprise us?
August 31, 2009 - 09:28 ET by goldenthroatIf the Bamster did indeed put his stamp of approval on the release of Abdelbaset Al Megrahi, then it would just confirm his continued mission of selling America down the river as he has been doing from the get-go.
He and his left-wing, socialist cronies want to re-define terrorism and place this country at even a higher risk than it was before 9/11 - all in the name of political correctness.
Then again, what did the idiots who voted for him expect from a community organizer?
"Inferior people should not be employed." - Nick Danger, Third Eye
Goldenthroat~
August 31, 2009 - 09:47 ET by Georgia GirlIt shouldn't surprise. Frankly, what surprised me was when Obama came out and said he disagreed with him being freed. It didn't seem like him.
I think this needs to be quietly investigated, and then if they have the goods -- come out with it full force. Of course, that will likely be FOX.
GG--
August 31, 2009 - 09:48 ET by Kat Outta the Bag"It shouldn't surprise. Frankly, what surprised me was when he came out and said he disagreed with him being freed. It didn't seem like him."
Same here. It seemed like Britain was doing with this guy the same thing Obama wants to do with the Gitmo terrorists.
don't be too sure
August 31, 2009 - 09:54 ET by jon_torlinBased on a lot what I've seen about Obeyme, he's got a clearly defined history of saying one thing and meaning/doing the exact opposite.
It's very repetitive. If anything, it's predictable even.
-Jon
Maybe he gave the guy
August 31, 2009 - 13:21 ET by katiejanea nice set of DVDs?
Katiejane That's right!
August 31, 2009 - 16:49 ET by FeynmanFanThat's right! DVDs and a model of Marine One from the White House gift shop. And maybe an iPod with all the Obaminator's speeches.
"I support the President but not his policies" - Blonde
If true
August 31, 2009 - 08:35 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonAnd I see no logical reason to doubt it, this will cross all party lines and will take out even democrats in 'safe' districts.
As Americans, we don't much like pandering to our enemies, especially those who have attacked US personally.
http://gjresult.com
Let's wait and see. If
August 31, 2009 - 08:41 ET by moderncommentaries83Let's wait and see.
If this is, in fact, true it's a political disaster for the Obama administration.
However, if it's not true it will blow up in the faces of anyone who tries to pin something on Obama without irrefutable proof. Mind you, those same standards don't apply when Republicans are involved, but we have to be careful.
Aut viam inveniam aut faciam
You are wise, Obi-Wan
August 31, 2009 - 08:52 ET by KC MulvilleI agree. Even if it seems like a slam dunk obvious surmise, until we get some proof, this is just bait. They'll start calling it more "birther" conspiracy stuff, and it'll all get discredited.
You'll know they're getting close to proof when the White House starts leaking the predictable "would it be so bad ... ?" speculations.
KC
August 31, 2009 - 09:34 ET by well99I agree with that.I am glad it came out on Morning Joe.That way it cant be peddled as Fox propaganda by the left winged twits.
However, if it's not true
August 31, 2009 - 09:00 ET by motherbeltHowever, if it's not true it will blow up in the faces of anyone who tries to pin something on Obama without irrefutable proof.
Agreed. As the saying goes: If you shoot at the king, better make sure you kill him!
Remember the pirates?
August 31, 2009 - 09:12 ET by jon_torlinHe took credit for the pirate situation. He won't take responsibility if he can pass the buck to someone else, which has been done several times.
-Jon
PS: First time responder, go easy on me!
Just one more potential
August 31, 2009 - 09:03 ET by anonymous621Just one more potential reason to make sure Obama does not return in 2012. Is this idiot determined to undermine our national security or what? Is he paying homage to his muslim roots by showing such exception to terrorists?
I doubt the British
August 31, 2009 - 09:10 ET by 10ksnookerI doubt the British government would do this on their own ...
Brown's more than likely
August 31, 2009 - 11:12 ET by Lord ElicaniBrown's more than likely going to get slammed in their elections...I don't think he'd do this if he didn't have backing him high places.
"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause."
Padmé Amidala, Revenge of the Sith
First they wag their fingers ...
August 31, 2009 - 09:15 ET by metaphorsbwithuThen they "wag the dog."
metaphorsbwithu
ChickaBOOMer: "What Did He Know and When Did He Know It?"
August 31, 2009 - 09:26 ET by StewartIIIObama on Oil for Dude Program: "What Did He Know and When Did He Know It?"
http://chickaboomer.blogspot.com/2009/08/obama-what-did-he-know-and-when-did-he.html
Either Way...
August 31, 2009 - 09:32 ET by sloeride...it's proof of inneffective foreign policy. Even if Scotland did not seek U.S. approval before hand, it was because they didn't respect Obama, or would anticipate this is something he would not object to.
And with nary a reaction from the White House, Scotland was correct. Obama is not someone to respect. And the press, for the most part, is silent.
Could you imagine Scotland doing this if GWB was in office?
Nae, laddie! "So this is
August 31, 2009 - 11:18 ET by Lord ElicaniNae, laddie!
"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause."
Padmé Amidala, Revenge of the Sith
that sound you hear
August 31, 2009 - 09:39 ET by candanceis the MSM hastily pressing "delete"
"is the MSM hastily pressing "delete" "
August 31, 2009 - 10:50 ET by RukusAnd come mid-terms I hope Americans will press the "ctrl" and "alt" too! : )
Gary
A liberal's generosity is limited only by your income.
Of course, we don't know
August 31, 2009 - 09:53 ET by celatorOf course, we don't know what Obama agreed to until more details are revealed.
What is most revealing is that, only a few months into his administration, people are perfectly ready to believe that Obama is deceptive enough to have gone along with the oil- for-terrorist scheme.That's not a great public endorsement of the Obama regime.
I do remember two things:
1. Hillary was pretty loud about not letting the terrorist go before the actual release. We don't yet know if she was acting on her own, or at Obama's request.
2. Obama himself was very retrained initially, saying basically, that Ghadaffi shouldn't celebrate the release in Tropoli. He said nothing before the actual release (that I can find, at least). Only after the enormous public outcry did he step up his rhetoric. Pretty odd behavior.
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
Hey, Let's cut the Dear
August 31, 2009 - 09:57 ET by QueenMumHey, Let's cut the Dear Leader a little slack. He was busy planning a vacation and deciding what to wear to Kennedy's funeral. I'm sure he knew nothing about this deal. (Smirk, smirk.)
Seriously. Somebody better start digging before the story goes cold. This is a golden opportunity.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
QM -- oh, this story is
August 31, 2009 - 10:10 ET by Jack BauerQM -- oh, this story is still front page in the UK, and if anything it's hotting up almost daily. Despite the best efforts of the BBC.
If nothing else, reeports in papers like the Mail, Telegraph and Times will leak back to the US.
And the Sun...
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2615088/Jack-Straw-in-new-oil-for-terrorist-row.html
Thanks Jack. I guess
August 31, 2009 - 10:59 ET by QueenMumThanks Jack. I guess sometimes the Obama administration forgets that the Internet works both ways and that he's not the Supreme Leader of the World in real life.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
control info, control lives
August 31, 2009 - 11:08 ET by jon_torlinAt least not till the Duhmama decides to throw the switch on all communications like he wants vis a vis Rockerfeller's bill on emergency control of the internet.
-Jon
QM--
August 31, 2009 - 11:09 ET by Kat Outta the Bag"I guess sometimes the Obama administration forgets that the Internet works both ways and that he's not the Supreme Leader of the World in real life."
I'm sure he'll have an Internet Czar working on that little problem before long..
Even if Obama did sign off
August 31, 2009 - 10:06 ET by ConservativeRexEven if Obama did sign off on it, and then tap danced all over the paper with his signature on it saying 'hell ya, turn him loose', nothing is going to happen to his sorry ass.
It has gone that far in this country. He knows it, the SCM enforces it, and nothing is going to happen to him, no matter what. Hell, he'll brag about it when it comes out, he doesn't care. The folks that put him in don't care and the SCM sure as hell don't care. That, is just the way it is, for now. But not for much longer.
Ha ha -- Nelson Munzdela
August 31, 2009 - 10:14 ET by Jack BauerFORMER South African President Nelson Mandela has written to the Scottish Government supporting the bomber's release.
Oh.. that's alright then!
Now Jack. That was
August 31, 2009 - 11:00 ET by QueenMumNow Jack. That was blatantly racist. (sarc/off)
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
Don't worry about the 'racist' label.
August 31, 2009 - 12:14 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonEven the KKK stands in awe of the democrat party and the scm for their ability togarner the corner on racism and get applauded for it by the minorities....
http://gjresult.com
There's really only two
August 31, 2009 - 10:15 ET by MidAmericaThere's really only two possible scenarios. One, obama knew about it and didn't object or two, Scotland did act without consulting the US which would amount to a big diss towards obama considering the extreme political nature of this matter.
So obama is either complicit or irrelevant.
MidAmerica- you took the
August 31, 2009 - 10:28 ET by nyyankee55MidAmerica- you took the words right out of my mouth- that's the ONLY 2 scenarios- either way we have an incompetent UnAmerican in the WH- he is not helping America he has just given alQaeda an open invitation to do what they choose
I maybe wrong..
August 31, 2009 - 10:30 ET by Paul Gbut, I haven't heard one story on this by the MSM. There's a story on fox web site but nothing else
How intensely will the MSM pursue the story?
August 31, 2009 - 10:34 ET by Meredith1966That's easy...
Not...at...all...
"The words of a President have an enormous weight and ought not to be used indiscriminately." - Calvin Coolidge
Or if they do, they'll imply
August 31, 2009 - 10:37 ET by Kat Outta the BagOr if they do, they'll imply it's part of the fabled 'Right Wing Attack Machine'.
I'm sure they'll find a way
August 31, 2009 - 11:02 ET by QueenMumI'm sure they'll find a way to drag the "birthers" into it, Kat.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
IF, and for now it is if...
August 31, 2009 - 10:49 ET by PrairieSkyObama knew about this in advance of Al Megrahi's release, he's toast, no matter who or how many people he tries to lay this on. People won't buy the "It wasn't my area" excuse or the "The secretary of state was invoved in this decision" claim. Obama always wants to keep his skirts nice and starched and clean whenever there is a messy problem...He's doing it right now by trying to make it look like the investigation into the Bush administration's terrorist interrogation process, is all Holder's and the Justice Department's idea. That whole premise is bulls%#t, because Holder serves at the pleasure of the president and wouldn't launch an investigation like this without Obama's "ok". Time will tell, and it'll be interesting to see where this goes.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
Scarborough on Meet the Press
August 31, 2009 - 10:55 ET by BluegillSlightly off subject but do you hear Joe insult us! "You know, the troubling part of this healthcare debate for me is people are screaming and yelling over a public option. Ninety-nine percent of Americans don't even know what they mean, they're just screaming about it. It's like Robert Wright had a great op-ed today in The New York Times talking about evolution. Most people don't even understand the complexities of that debate".
Truth Will Out
August 31, 2009 - 11:34 ET by slickwillie2001The truth will eventually leak out. As Brown's government comes under more and more pressure, perhaps they will throw the Bamster under the bus. That would be fitting. It's already somewhat accepted in the UK that this was an 'oil for terrorist' deal. BP has just been awarded the contracts.
On the other hand, somewhat in the Bamter's defense, (!) after the Bamster kicked the British in the teeth by releasing Uighur terrorists from Guantanamo to Bermuda without consulting with them, the brits may have felt piqued enough that they saw fit to not consult with the Bamster on the Libyan. This would be appropriate actually, given the Bamster's callous disregard for America's most reliably world ally.
slick...You raise an interesting possibility...
August 31, 2009 - 11:53 ET by PrairieSkyIf the Brits did release Al Migrahi as part of an oil deal, and they didn't give Obama a heads up about it (which is the story right now) as a way to "get even" for the Uighur's release to Bermuda without our government consulting the Brits, what does this type of childish "tit for tat" game say about the people involved? What a bunch of infants! I understand that political games between countries are standard operating procedure, but generally this level of imbecilic behavior doesn't usually occur between two such close allies as the US and the UK...Both Gordon and Obama are pathetic.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
well
August 31, 2009 - 12:03 ET by katainkentif they really wanted to twist the issue something like a 24 hr notice would be about right. Given the bare bones, "no one is home at the state dept" manning problems that Obama has.... I am guessing he'd have a tough time getting together a reasonable response.
___________________________________________
"Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller" Barack Obama (Dr. In Chief)
Bad either way
August 31, 2009 - 11:44 ET by BigVooThis situation SHOULD be bad for O no matter what the sequence of events was.
1. If he knew about it and approved it (even tacitly) - bad
2. If he knew about it and dissaproved - bad since they didn't think enough of him to listen (wasn't he supposed to "repair" our international image?).
3. If he didn't know about it - bad. They didn't even think enough of him to let him know this was coming?
In any case, none of it will hurt him. This story will soon disappear.
Chuck Schumer wants sanctions
August 31, 2009 - 13:30 ET by Scamp1972I just saw a clip of Chuck Schumer pusing for sanctions against Britain for this. If it comes out that Obama knew and approved. . . .it will be difficult to walk back from that statement.
Obama will confess...
August 31, 2009 - 14:16 ET by beauxdogThe British Government gave him a heads-up as a courtesy... but they did not "ask" permission. Afterall, they are a sovereign nation and can do as they please.
Just pointing out the obvious "duck" of this issue... it will never stick.
Thank you.
Beauxdog
Oil For Terrorist
August 31, 2009 - 16:40 ET by slickwillie2001Oil-for-terrorist deal confirmed:
Lockerbie Bomber "Set Free for Oil": http://www.timesonline.co.uk
"The British government decided it was “in the overwhelming interests of the United Kingdom” to make Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi, the Lockerbie bomber, eligible for return to Libya, leaked ministerial letters reveal. Gordon Brown’s government made the decision after discussions between Libyaa and BP over a multi-million-pound oil exploration deal had hit difficulties. These were resolved soon afterwards."
oops
August 31, 2009 - 19:57 ET by katainkentthat's going to leave a mark.
___________________________________________
"Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller" Barack Obama (Dr. In Chief)
sw... I've seen that as
August 31, 2009 - 20:03 ET by bigtimersw...
I've seen that as well...glad you have the link here...going to be interesting what he msm does...which will be basically nada...
I saw where our outstanding talking heads at the Daily WH Briefing even had a few questions about when and if O knew about this, when was the last time he was in communication with Brown etc.
Brown's done IMO....then again, thought he was toast before this ordeal anyway...now we just have to hope we have conservatives take over congress somewhat in '10 and move it on up to '12 in a big way!
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
Details still seem sketchy,
August 31, 2009 - 21:22 ET by JerDetails still seem sketchy, but it appears the concession assuring that the terrorist would be released was formalized over a year ago i.e., well before Obama's election.
Jer
Regardless Jer... Do you
August 31, 2009 - 21:29 ET by bigtimerRegardless Jer...
Do you not think the USA wasn't asked/notified of our stance with O at the helm when this was about to happen with this cretins release to Libya?
I don't believe that for a second...I don't care what excuse they use...although this administration is quickly becoming nothing but a spinning top of excuses.
'Go Green...Recycle Congress!'
I understand bt...but
August 31, 2009 - 21:37 ET by Jerafter reading the Times article and a great many of the comments, I think it less likely than I did before. But, I'm certainly not ruling it out--or that the issue was raised in the Bush administration, or even with both the Bush and Obama administrations.
Jer
Oh of course...Bush, Bush,
August 31, 2009 - 21:48 ET by bigtimerOh of course...Bush, Bush, Bush
Please, just once Jer, I am talking about THIS administration...I understand exactly what you are doing, and all the legalese you could use here, let alone left wing tactics...but once and for all, could you on the other side quit reaching your tentacles into the BUSH administration as an excuse/cover...it is getting tiresome. ..and millions know it...just look at the latest polls.
'Go Green...Recycle Congress!'
Did you take those
August 31, 2009 - 21:53 ET by JerDid you take those "kindness" pills like I requested?
I didn't even consider Bush until I read the Times uk link. But I understand exactly what you're doing: Trying to paste the "always blame Bush" label on me. Sorry, it won't stick.
Jer
aw cmon, BT
August 31, 2009 - 21:58 ET by candanceEven if we go with your theory, what about it? Bush agrees without telling anyone. Obama gets a call saying hey, this is all lined up and we're going to do it, but we want to know how you feel about it? What would be the point?
And since the article does say the negotiations began two years ago, it is not far fetched to wonder if Bush knew. It's a fair question.
Not saying for sure Bush knew. Not saying he didn't. But the question is legit.
It matters not to me in the
August 31, 2009 - 22:11 ET by bigtimerIt matters not to me in the long run cd what theory any of us believe...what does matter is the hypocrisy from the left...they always say the Buck Stops at the Top...and the Top is the Empty-Suit when this occurred.
Hope someone is following my way of thinking with the bias/BS/hypocrisy with the msm and the left in congress....especially Gibby today....ah what the heck, any day.
Same as his CIA destruction using Holder, as if he isn't gladly holding his hand via Gregg Craig etc. to get the Bush administration convicted in International War Courts...that is what they are doing in the long run of this.
Anybody watch Cheney this week-end?
Was and am still glad to see Liz out there as well.
Back to the Bush administration, what they are guilty of regarding this terrorist being released in Libya...we shall see someday...my point is, I am sick of seeing the repubs always being blamed for something that didn't happen on their watch.
'Go Green...Recycle Congress!'
we can't know the whole timeline
August 31, 2009 - 21:38 ET by candanceThe British made the deal about a year ago, but there's no guarantee they told the US right away. There could have been some stalling somewhere, which would explain why it took a year for this to happen.
If America was told, the president at that time is in the wrong. Only time will tell who it was.
But I will say this for Obama: if Bush agreed without telling the public and then left it for Obama, then it wasn't Obama's fault.
I pray neither knew. It's
August 31, 2009 - 21:47 ET by JerI pray neither knew. It's just a d*mn shame no matter what.
Jer
cd I thought it was great how quick , Qaddafi gave up Nuks
August 31, 2009 - 22:01 ET by upcountrywaterThe final event that sealed the fate of Qaddafi's nuclear-weapons
program took place in early December 2003 along the borders of the
Tigris River near Tikrit, when U.S. soldiers pulled former Iraqi
dictator Saddam Hussein out of a spider hole."When Qaddafi watched a
U.S. medic probe Saddam's hair for lice and poke around his mouth, he
was stunned," several sources tell Insight. Western diplomats in
Tripoli agree that Saddam's capture "traumatized" the Libyan leader.
"What happened is very clear," an administration official says. "Things
happened, and immediately afterward the Libyans did things in response."
Just 10 days later, Qaddafi made his official announcement that Libya
was giving up its WMD programs and had invited U.S. and British experts
into the country to verify the dismantling of his weapons plants.
ALL BETS ARE OFF, now It's full steam ahead on NUCLEAR BOMBS, from another country... Whatever it's Bushes fault...
State controlled health care is Tort Reform.
why so curt with me?
August 31, 2009 - 22:36 ET by candanceI support Bush on a lot of things, especially the war on terror. This is one issue.
Sorry candance, I didn't mean to be curt
September 1, 2009 - 00:43 ET by upcountrywaterI guess I should put a /sarc on that last line..
I consider you one of my NB friends..
I like your posts
A bad day (yesterday) here for me on NB..
Most of the time I post it's for the folk that never post.
State controlled health care is Tort Reform.
it could had been
August 31, 2009 - 22:13 ET by JAJTit could had been planned toward the end of Obama's presidental campaign. he did after all have his "office of the President-Elect" and could had been making deals already, or his sugar-daddy, Soros was on his behalf. Bush was crucified for being to hard on terrorist, being closed-minded and not willing to have dialogue with other countries. this does not fit what the MSM has painted Bush to be. so my vote is that Bush was not involved.. JAJT
Jer, If that were the case,
September 1, 2009 - 09:57 ET by NL207Jer, If that were the case, the Obamatrons would have spilled the beans long ago with a lot of attendant finger poining in the Bush direction.
I can only conclude that either Obama / Hillary didn't know in advance or knowingly condoned this release. Given the nature of British politics and press, it is certain that in time, it will emerge if the Brown Government consulted with the Bush and / or Obama White Houses.
NL
September 1, 2009 - 13:14 ET by well99Funny how the US doesnt want any info on their part released.
"The Scottish government told FOX News Tuesday that the U.S. government refuses to allow them to release details of any communication between Scotland and the U.S. over al-Megrahi's release."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,545144,00.html
Won't matter. the Bristish
September 1, 2009 - 14:30 ET by NL207Won't matter. the Bristish Press still acts like investigative reporters. They will ferret out the truth, even if the US MSM is in the tank for the terrorists / Obamatrons.
NL
September 2, 2009 - 02:00 ET by well99Works for me.As long as the truth gets out.
Boston Globe has an article
September 1, 2009 - 17:26 ET by JAJTBoston Globe has an article out today. Obama Administration knew about the impending release since June. you can check out gatewaypundit, they have an article on it.JAJT
Here's the link for the
September 2, 2009 - 13:24 ET by dscottHere's the link for the article, sounds like someone is trying to cover their tracks of what they knew and what was said... FNC is on the trail, now Obama has something to really hate them for.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
egads
September 2, 2009 - 13:28 ET by katainkentthanks for the link
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Sounds like the current
September 2, 2009 - 16:50 ET by JerSounds like the current administration vehemently objected to the release. But the gatewaypundit puts up a provocative anti-Obama headline without a shred of evidence to back it up other than noting FoxNews anonymous source commenting on the release of details about US/Scottish communications. It's sheer speculation, but, hey, the idea is to undermine, not illuminate.
Jer
The refusal to release
September 2, 2009 - 17:34 ET by dscottThe refusal to release documents is a cover up. Now why would you cover up something unless what you did would be condemned? Yes, the most transparent Administration in history, hiding behind the walls of silence, obfuscation and omission, notice the silence of Obama and Clinton on the subject? It's called the appearance of impropriety.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
That Wouldn't Make Sense Since The Press Secretary Denounced It
August 31, 2009 - 23:05 ET by The7SticksI'm just wondering why the Obama administration would have anything to do with letting the Lockerbie terrorist bomber out of prison? The decision was made (foolishly, I might add) by the Scottish government, and if the Obama administration had anything to do with the release, then why would his press secretary publicly denounce it as "a mistake" or "disgusting"? It wouldn't make any sense unless it is part of some organized conspiracy between the American and Scottish governments to let go convicted terrorists because of the alleged Obama worldview that his administration would not take terrorism seriously. (I say alleged because I believe President Obama will take a hard-line stance against terrorism the same way President Bush did.) If that were the case, then why release a clear-cut convicted terrorist murderer who was proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that he was guilty of murdering those 270 passengers simply based on the assumption that it's out of compassion? I bet you that this has more to do with some negotiations with Libya than compassion.
→ Sticks
August 31, 2009 - 23:13 ET by Cool ArrowYou are a person of great faith.
And if you've been watching the news at all today, you already know the rumor involving drilling contracts with British Petroleum.
We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy
gee, 7 sticks
August 31, 2009 - 23:22 ET by candanceBarack Obama signing off on something he supposedly stood against? That never happens....
Are you really that naive?
September 1, 2009 - 10:19 ET by SickofLibsGibbs said so, so it's true. ALL press secretaries are spinmeisters by definition. Gibbs is particularly gifted at outright lying with a smug smile.
And "Obama will take a hard-line stance against terrorism the same way President Bush did."???
Right. All except for: 1) the balls-to-the-wall frontal assault on the CIA, our front line of defense in intelligence gathering; 2) that pesky "let's indict our country's previous administration for war crimes"; and 3) let's give the detainees the same rights as US citizens and allow them to sue us.
Other than that, Bush and Obama are virtually indistinguishable.