Far be it from me to sow discord in MSNBC ranks, to stir up old animosities between colleagues there. But if Joe Scarborough is going to do a mocking imitation of Keith Olbermann in full Special Comment rant, well then, blogging ethics compel me to report it.
The jumping-off point on Morning Joe today was Eugene Robinson's current WaPo column. After claiming that he didn't want to kick the president on his way out the door, Robinson proceeded to do just that. The columnist described a variety of measures adopted by the president in prosecution of the war against terror as "departures from American values and traditions." Robinson recommended an investigation if not a criminal prosecution. That led Pat Buchanan and Scarborough to cite, chapter and verse, the ways in which Bush's supposed abrogation of "American values and traditions" were small potatoes compared to the actions of predecessors including Lincoln, Wilson and FDR.
Without mentioning the Countdown host by name, Scarborough closed with an unmistakable impression of Keith Olbermann in pompous Special Comment peroration of the sort that can be seen here.
JOE SCARBOROUGH: Mr. President, sir, you're shredding the Constitution, sir.
The joke was not lost on John Harwood of CNBC/NYT, as evident from his amused reaction.For the record, here was Buchanan's description of the actions previous presidents took.
PAT BUCHANAN: Lincoln ordered the Chief Justice of the United States arrested. Eugene V. Debs, Socialist Party leader: Wilson put him in a penitentiary along with countless others. FDR locked up 110,000 Japanese--75,000 U.S. citizens. You know who was behind that? Earl Warren, Attorney General of California [who would of course go on to become Chief Justice of the United States.]
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.
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Who is the real expert at shredding, btw
January 13, 2009 - 09:22 ET by legacyrepublicanBy the way, who is the real expert at shredding the constitution?
How about Hillary who held private meetings on changing the country's health care as an unelected official in charge of what, her husband's libido.
Don't bad-mouth the wife of
January 13, 2009 - 09:47 ET by Hunter12Don't bad-mouth the wife of the inventor of rendition.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
Opps ... you are right
January 13, 2009 - 14:29 ET by legacyrepublicanOh dear! You are correct. The future Sec. of State could have me moved
off shore to waterboard me because I am part of the right wing
conspiracy, couldn't she?
Never mind.
As usual, Mika completely
January 13, 2009 - 09:37 ET by motherbeltAs usual, Mika completely ignored the point of everyone's comments.
All that was so long ago, it just doesn't count any more.
Rush is right when he says for most people history begins on the day they were born.
Rush is being too
January 13, 2009 - 10:28 ET by lotrRush is being too generous. Most people can't remember the first 5 years of their life.
And one by one dropped the revellers in the blood-bedewed halls of their revel, and died each in the despairing posture of his fall. -- Edgar Allan Poe
MB
January 13, 2009 - 13:23 ET by DoktorFrankenI never watch MSNBC and wondered who the stupid Beeotch was sitting right next to Joe. Mika, eh? She must be the usual PMSNBC Leftist template troll that, when hearing actual, factual counter arguments, puts her fingers in her ears and goes, ''LA LA LA LA LA - I'm not listening!! No, no, no, no - you're wrong!!!''
It sure seemed that way to me.
Correction:
January 13, 2009 - 15:12 ET by Tom1969caFor liberals, history may begin at one of two times:
=====
Daily Sarah Palin fact:
Sarah Palin knows history. Sarah Palin understands history. Sarah Palin will make history.
Nice exchange. Don't know
January 13, 2009 - 09:36 ET by lotrNice exchange. Don't know what Mika was objecting to, though.
And one by one dropped the revellers in the blood-bedewed halls of their revel, and died each in the despairing posture of his fall. -- Edgar Allan Poe
Her objection was basically
January 13, 2009 - 09:39 ET by motherbeltHer objection was basically that because others did bad things, that "doesn't make it right."
And that's not what Joe was saying. That's why I said she missed (or more likely ignored) the point, no matter how many times Joe clarified it.
or more likely
January 13, 2009 - 09:56 ET by Seashellor more likely ignored
She ignored it. She was to busy agreeing w/Eugene Robinson's point that Bush made a "departure from American values" and expressing her "disgust and embarressment" of our President.
I wonder if she is embarressed by Jimmy Carter?
Yeah, first time, in my
January 13, 2009 - 10:13 ET by motherbeltYeah, first time, in my comment above, I said "ignored."
This time I sort of gave her the "benefit" of considering her dense.
duplicate post -- computer
January 13, 2009 - 10:34 ET by lotrduplicate post -- computer is flaking out this morning....
I see. Glad to see that
January 13, 2009 - 10:37 ET by lotrI see. Glad to see that some pundits have been sticking up for Mr. Bush in his last days. I, for one, will miss him.
And one by one dropped the revellers in the blood-bedewed halls of their revel, and died each in the despairing posture of his fall. -- Edgar Allan Poe
I've heard Joe Scarborough's
January 13, 2009 - 17:25 ET by andophiroxiaI've heard Joe Scarborough's show a few times. Mika just plays the part of the disapproving wife.
I thought it was hilarious when she got mugged that it was "only for a few dollars" and that's why she didn't report it. Wait a minute, if you get MUGGED, there has to be a threat of physical force, that's how they get your money. I would hold her personally accountable if that same person that mugged her beat, raped, killed or otherwise harmed an innocent person for forcing money from them.
That's a sobering thought. If only liberals would let nature take over for forsaking a responsible and survival impulse--however, they just want to drag the rest of us down with them.
“You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.” ~ Winston Churchill
Maddow is following
January 13, 2009 - 09:38 ET by kgMaddow is following Olbermann's lead now. sHE now has "Special Report" and plans on ranting about Bush's last speech. Once is not enough. sHE plans to do it all week where sHE picks the speech apart bit by bit and graces us with HEr "special report" to set the record straight (according to Maddow). Add this to HEr antics and booring attempts to humorize it. Also, if sHE is going to dress like a man sHE could at least wear a tie.
"Forget change, I want improvement!"
kg
January 13, 2009 - 10:10 ET by thebutlerdiditExactly. If sHE is going to do the show as Keith's mini-me, the least sHE could do is dress more dignified. Most HErs realize this. And MB, is of course, right. They{libs} remind me of a baby chick. They wake up in a brand new world everyday. I'm embarassed someone as stupid as Mika is on T.V. getting to spew her little petty thoughts everyday. And you can darn well bet she wouldn't be, if her last name wasn't BZENENZNENSKI. Her old coot father is one of the architects of the lousy Carter years, she has no shame about "Uncle Jimmy." As for Joe, he will be worstest person in the world tonite.
Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke
Guess...
January 13, 2009 - 10:32 ET by StarAZGuess the special is rubbing off the rants.
Eugene Robinson makes me
January 13, 2009 - 09:40 ET by SeashellEugene Robinson makes me sick. If he is on the show or any show, I change the channel.
I agree
January 13, 2009 - 10:31 ET by StarAZRobinson is an Obama worshipper--and that rumbly creepy laugh...
Where will they be three months from now?
January 13, 2009 - 09:47 ET by CTWhat will the three leading MSNBC Asshats Olbermann, Shuster and the Mancow be ranting about three months from now and who will care? They are irrelevant today, what will they be when Bush is gone?
I think you're right that
January 13, 2009 - 09:58 ET by Hunter12I think you're right that shows like this will disappear as they all become Obama cheerleaders. There will be no need to even watch as the "reporting" or "commentary" becomes so predictable. The nightly news has already suffered that fate.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
Oh, they won't go anyplace
January 13, 2009 - 10:30 ET by StarAZThere are still many toes to be kissed many times.
I smell a MSM bailout!
January 13, 2009 - 16:05 ET by Ron was RIGHTWhat do you want to bet that the main stream media gets in on the bailouts and gets several billion dollars to stay in business. You know CBS, ABC and NBC are too big to fail! (not FOX they can fail) Nevermind that they have not been putting out a product anyone wants for decades. (how is this any different then the auto companies?) Once they take the money they will literally be a fully owned subsidiary of the DNC (even though the money will be the tax payers) as if they werent already. They will be in a position where they will literally taking money from the government and pretending to be non-partisen. And saddly many will still believe they are...
"The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Wilson Reagan
Just an oversight...
January 13, 2009 - 10:05 ET by JPR1Pat and Joe neglected to mention Clintons "departures" from American values during his tenure.
Willies actions in Bosnia were no more legal than Bushs in Iraq and his inaction on OBL qualifies as deriliction imo.
JPR1
January 13, 2009 - 10:15 ET by thebutlerdiditThe only difference is that Bush's were legal. by every standard, except the nutty far lefters. They are so ignorant on the law and Constitution, which most think of tp, anyway, that they spew all this bs about war crimes. When Bush asked Nancy and Harry about interrogation techniques, they questioned him whether those ideas, i.e. waterboarding, sleep deprivation, were strong enough, tough enough measures. Funny how you don't hear about that, isn't it?
Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke
Very true tbdi
January 13, 2009 - 10:57 ET by JPR1I never did see the "national interest" angle in the Bosnian conflict, but Clinton poked his nose in there anyway. I don't recall big complaints from congress about legality either.
Bosnia was wag the dog all
January 13, 2009 - 11:43 ET by Hunter12Bosnia was wag the dog all the way home to Clinton's roost. Hindsight being 20/20, you can look at the falsified number of people killed during the run-up to the conflict and see that BJC lied to get the country involved and the focus off of him. When you look at Iraq after 6 years, all the pundits like to forget that there were WMDs found in the form of Niger yellowcake and an attempt at a nuclear program, in violation of UN sanctions, and that Saddam bluffed himself into a grave with his claims and pretense at having other types, if it was a bluff. Twenty years from now, we are going to find out that Syria got a bunch of stuff from Iraq prior to the start of hostilities. All these people who preached against President Bush will have to issue apologies. They don't recognize someone who worried more about the country and keeping us safe over approval numbers and popularity. It's going to be interesting to see President Obama with approval numbers in the 90s and breadlines and depression rampant, as the "give it all to people who have never even thought about working for it" mentality of liberals takes hold and drives this country into the ground.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
Wag the dog...
January 13, 2009 - 15:46 ET by JPR1Ah yes, thanks for the reminder Hunter12.
Ol' Bill had to do something to divert attention from the blue dress.
He chose the do-good, feel-good task of intervining in an ethnic conflict half-way around the planet. Then ignored Rawanda.
"...worried more about the country and keeping us safe over approval numbers and popularity."
And despite his errors, for that alone the man will always have a measure of my respect.
I find it inexplicable that
January 13, 2009 - 10:32 ET by SeashellI find it inexplicable that Mika, a "journalist" for MSNBC said on national TV that she was "embarressed and disgusted" by our President.
Let's be clear. Mika is no journalist. She is a liberal opinion rendering TV show co-host. Nothing more.
Wow, good job there
January 13, 2009 - 10:36 ET by USA4freedomWow, good job there Scarborough.
Mink..ahhh, was crapping in her pants..
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Mika is the daughter of Z.
January 13, 2009 - 14:26 ET by celatorMika is the daughter of Z. Bryezinski, Obama's chief foreign policy advisor, and a co-founder of the Globalist Trilaterial Commission. He has given horrendous foreign policy advice to every president he has worked with, going all the way back to Carter. He despises the notion of US exceptionalism, national borders and capitalism in general.
Mika simply reflects her father's hate-filled view of America and, of course, that includes George Bush's administration. I've long suspected her father gives Mika her on-air talking points.
The Old Media has let her father's backroom activities and influence go largely unreported for many years, particularly recently. He's very dangerous dude who took Obama under his wing back in the 1980's and has poisoned his view of the world ever since then.
I call him the modern day Dr. Strangeglove. Watch out for him.
For liberal Democrats and the Old Media, everything is crisis, chaos, calamity and catastrophe. That justifies stealing your property and liberties.
Celator
January 13, 2009 - 21:13 ET by thebutlerdiditYou are so right. I mentioned the same thing, up post, because I for one remember how crazy Z.Big really is. He is dangerous. I think if he is writing her talking points, she is doing a poor job with them. She spends most of her time acting like she is embarassed to actually be there. The truly big question then, is why is she? Name recognition? The usual liberal assumption that due to genetics, that off spring of politicians are somehow special? I think we have all been shown this to be bs, most recently with Caro Kennedy. You can be sure there's more to come, expect to see the Biden boys and especially dear Chelsea come on the stage. It won't be that many years before Chelsea runs for President. Think I'm crazy? I feel 100% positive about it. We are soon going to see quite a bit of old Chels. Fox and Friends beats this show by about double the viewers every morning. Seems to me, they need a new plan.
Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke
I think she's there because...
January 13, 2009 - 22:38 ET by tim_gallanta) she's kinda cute; and b) Joe plays very well off her personality.
http://www.changeint...
Arg
January 13, 2009 - 10:36 ET by StarAZDid anyone catch Matthews' spew about how we were entering a new wonderful era...something like that. Don't eras get assigned LATER? In hindsight? Someone doesn't just call it: ERA CHANGE!
I must have missed that.
January 13, 2009 - 12:32 ET by kgI must have missed that. When he comes on I run to get a towel in case he spits on me as he speaks. Darn HDTV curse.
"Forget change, I want improvement!"
Robinson
January 13, 2009 - 11:05 ET by iveseenitallEugene Robinson is a racist. Eugene Robinson is a hater. Just as most "jounalists" today, Eugene Robinson is a closed-minded, small minded, Barry-loving, ignorant dolt. Sad.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
The limits of the law
January 13, 2009 - 10:59 ET by KC MulvilleThe essence of law is that it's an agreement on how we (and our public officials) should behave when faced with any given circumstance. But it's obvious that no legislature can anticipate every circumstance, because we human beings aren't that smart. Further, enemies tend to attack us at our weakest point, which is usually weak because we weren't aware of it (otherwise we would have strengthened it). When the enemy used spears and chariots, it was easy enough to see them coming over the hill. But these days, not only do we not see spears, we don't know where the hill is. We can't defend ourselves without gathering information.
Our enemies have focused their attack on our inability to gather and assemble intelligence fast enough to combat them. Internal systemic problems have erupted because we weren't prepared for them. All of the problems of the Bush years spring from one central problem: we don't know enough about what's actually going on to respond accurately.
The need for accurate and "actionable" information has outpaced the restraints of the law. Take "domestic surveillance." Liberals portray the government as listening to individual phone calls, and they portray the programs as Nixonian dirty trick corruption. They think that investigators choose the targets first (politically motivated, they're sure), and then listen. But data mining technology is exactly the opposite. (I speak from experience here - data mining and analysis is my job, though not for government.) Data mining starts from results, and works backward to specific cases. You don't target an individual and then look for a crime; you look for the crime, and it's the crime that leads back to the individual.
What worries me is that liberals will come into office, assured of their self-righteousness, and will return to the lawyer-comfortable intelligence methods of twenty years ago ... you know, the ones that our enemies have already shown they can beat. I just hope that the reason Obama won't pursue intelligence-destroying witch hunts is because he realizes that he needs the same methods for himself. I'm audacious in my hope.
Surely Obama knows that if he
January 13, 2009 - 11:19 ET by SeashellSurely Obama knows that if he eliminates these programs and we are attacked he will be blamed. Hopefully, even though he doesn't like it, he will keep the programs (and use them) for political cover if nothing else.
He may be blamed but without
January 13, 2009 - 11:25 ET by AgnosticHe may be blamed but without the media to report it how many will hear enough to change their opinion of Barack or the of the abilities of the current crop of Democrats to lead.
A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections
But with BHO as Prez everyone will love us...
January 13, 2009 - 11:36 ET by Prester John...or maybe not.
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//090113/ids_photos_wl/r1645453159.jpg/
If Muslims can riot over cartoons of the Prophet, shouldn't Americans be able to riot when pictures of the Annointed One are burned?
Well, I think that the media
January 13, 2009 - 11:36 ET by SeashellWell, I think that the media would be giddy to report that Obama eliminated the "evil domestic surveillance" program that the "evil" President Bush enacted. If an attack resulted however the media would do everything in their power to cover for Obama. They would have all these "experts" on explaining to us how the attack would have occurred with or without the surv. prog.
seashell
January 13, 2009 - 11:49 ET by AgnosticI'm just reminded of projects Echelon and Carnivore that a freindly media allowed Clinton to get away with but this same media screamed that Bush was destroying the Constitution when it came to FISA. The media did this without ever bringing up what happened under Clinton eventhough they reported on the programs when they were initiated. For the media it is simple enough to either blame it on the last Republican or wait till the next one. If you throw on top of that the number of Republicans that actually do screw up and it looks like an incompetent party.
A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections
I'm just reminded of
January 13, 2009 - 12:00 ET by SeashellI'm just reminded of projects Echelon and Carnivore that a freindly media allowed Clinton to get away with but this same media screamed that Bush was destroying the Constitution when it came to FISA.
Excellent point. Hypocrites all of them!
your hope is unfounded....
January 13, 2009 - 11:38 ET by Mr Xhttp://www.vote.com/...
Hope
January 13, 2009 - 12:11 ET by KC MulvilleI was going by Obama's statements that I heard on a podcast of This Week with Stephanopolous, and that he now understands that closing Gitmo is not so easy, etc. Reality bites. But I also agree that personnel is policy, and if he appointed a new intelligence chief who wants to deconstruct the Bush structure, then that's not good news.
Peter Hoekstra has an interesting article, somewhat related to this topic, on National Review. He wants to overhaul the CIA, which might be a good first step on the path to updating our intelligence capability.
Let's hope that, one way or the other, we'll stumble onto sanity.
KC
January 13, 2009 - 11:17 ET by okiehawk44The media is played by the bad guys daily. Just look at what Hamas puts out there as propaganda and how quickly the media laps it up.
Mika and her ilk are just "silly people."
Caveat emptor
January 13, 2009 - 12:26 ET by KC MulvilleAgreed. That's why the audience has to stay critical of everything they hear the media report. We obviously can't depend on the news media to verify their own acuracy.
In my post above, I was thinking about the "tension" between our modern need for intelligence and our archaic laws governing it. It occurred to me how ironic it is that we are overwhelmed with "information," from the media, internet, etc., and yet we're functionally blind. That problem is further compounded, as you correctly point out, with the flood of disinformation from our enemies.
You're exactly right. The media helps flood the zone. When it comes to disinformation and partisan spin, they're what firefighters call an "accelerant." They propel ignorance as much as they claim to report news.
KC
January 13, 2009 - 21:20 ET by thebutlerdiditObama knows he can't rush right in and close Gitmo. He may sign to have it closed on Day one, but it won't happen right away. It will be just a symbol. Oh, he may eventually move them, but will it be any better than Gitmo, as a plan? He is too afraid that there will be an attack on his watch. If that happens, especially if has radically changed W's policies, look for a lare amount of America to turn on him, no matter what the newsies say. I really don't think he will be able to completely cover over that.
Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke
Obama's luck
January 13, 2009 - 22:13 ET by KC MulvilleYou know, since Obama started, I've been saying - don't worry, when the other shoe falls, he'll unravel. Sooner or later, he'd have to say something of substance. He'd have to offer a political philosophy that can be examined and critiqued. I was certain that at that point, he'd be exposed as a lightweight. However ...
I've spent two years waiting for the other show to fall. It hasn't. I feel like the mayor of River City asking for Harold Hill's credentials. He's escaped it every time. We keep waiting for reality to catch up to him. Maybe it ain't gonna catch him.
Is he that good, or are we just that shallow?
He's well protected by some
January 13, 2009 - 22:35 ET by PeskyDaneHe's well protected by some very powerful interests. I'm not talking Rothchilds/Astors here. I'm not that crazy. But I think its becoming apparent that he will do the bidding of those that put him in power, and I don't mean the poor duped Kos-kids or the Democratic Underground, or even the 65 million deluded yahoos of my fellow countrymen that voted for him. There are money interests that chose to shepard him along and groom him so that we could have 8 years of the status quo. There is a lot of money being made out there, (energy, banking, etc.) and Obama will not jeopardize himself by rocking the boat. Oh sure, he'll throw the morons a crumb - close GITMO, move it to... Guam - LOL, but does anyone with an ounce of common sense really think anything will "change?"
Robinson, Olbermann, et.al
January 13, 2009 - 11:20 ET by iveseenitallI don't believe many "thinkers" watch Olbermann, the certified maniac, or read Eugene Robinson, the racist, except to get a little more insight concerning the modern "liberal" mindset. As President Bush leaves office, the media "liberals" are proving , once again, what hate-filled people they are.What they don't seem to realize, or don't really care about, is that they have lost the trust and confidence of the American people. For example, for these people to talk about American values, or any other values, is a joke. They don't even recognize the "value" of dignity. They are so sick with hatred that they won't leave our President in peace. Modern "liberalism" has destroyed almost all human "values". Sad.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Pretty telling
January 13, 2009 - 11:46 ET by rscamp13When Joe referred to what the mysterious "they" were saying about what Bush had done, Mika chimed in with "No WE'RE not". Who's "we"?
Of course
January 14, 2009 - 00:53 ET by gordon"we" means television "journalists".
You know.......morons
Liberalism is nothing but aimless contrarianism in the raw pursuit of power.
Does Mika EVER say anything substantive???
January 13, 2009 - 11:47 ET by krendlerDoes Mika EVER say anything substantive??? Seems she just sits there and reacts to what everyone else is saying by
1) sighing
2) continuously glancing down at the monitor to see if she's on camera or not.
3) shaking head / rolling eyes
4) Looks down and start reading aloud what some liberal columnist wrote (she seems to freely interchange "we" and "Eugene Robinson" in this video, as in "what we're trying to say.." and "what Eugene said..."
5) Saying "oh, come on now" or turning to a known fellow liberal and pleading "Help me out here, Bob".
Basically, she does everything but defend her position with facts or logic.
Facts or logic?
January 13, 2009 - 11:55 ET by rscamp13Then she'd be a conservative.
Mika's is on the show
January 13, 2009 - 12:36 ET by Hunter12Mika's is on the show because she brings a couple of good points to every argument. She looked very nice in that little black blouse. But then she forgot the words of Mark Twain and had to speak. "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." I love how she can sit there and say, "We're (the left) aren't saying that!" Then her next comment is "That".
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
ROFL! Joe....you've just
January 13, 2009 - 12:05 ET by bigtimerROFL!
Joe....you've just about got ol' Bath-Tub Boy down pat!
Mark....Thanks for the early morning laughs to start my busy day.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Opps ... you are right
January 13, 2009 - 14:27 ET by legacyrepublicanOh dear! You are correct. The future Sec. of State could have me moved off shore to waterboard me because I am part of the right wing conspiracy, couldn't she?
Never mind.
Mika
January 13, 2009 - 17:41 ET by TigerMika needs to study American history a bit more. As much as I disagree with Pat Buchannan, he is right on this one.
Joe Hang Tough
January 13, 2009 - 19:13 ET by Redrowan2000Joe Scarborough is truly one of the best. I only wish that he had brought up the point .that: Immediately after 911 the American people would have been alright with strategic nuclear attacks against Afghanistan and any other nation that would have raised it's head against the USA on 9/12. But W went slow and steady, Not saying I agreed with his strategy but in Iragq and Afghanistan it does seem to be working. Though the process is tortouously slow and draining in terms of American casualties and money. Don't tell me I'm wrong either. The mood of the country was to wipe out the country that supported these 12 cretins. That includes the Saudis too.!!!!
"Don't let the bastards grind you down."
Red
Jooooooooe....come away
January 14, 2009 - 01:35 ET by RR GOPJooooooooe....come away from the Dark Side. Come back to the realm of Light and Goodness...before it's too late! We beckon thee...
One of the 24% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 89% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
Olberman is tied for biggest douche in the Universe
January 14, 2009 - 01:41 ET by Lord ErondI don't watch Joe, I tend to avoid MSNBC period but watching Joe was funny. In particular, anyone who makes fun of that used tampon Keith deserves extra Kudos in my book. I bought Keith a drink in a bar one day and you know what he was drinking? Vinegar and water.
"What you can not enforce, do not command" -Sophocles-