GMTA. Last night I posted an item on David Shuster's hypocrisy in branding Bristol Palin and Levi Johnston "unwed parents," pointing out that the MSM would never normally use such an un-PC term, preferring to speak reverentially of "single mothers." This morning, Ann Coulter appeared on Today to discuss her new book, Guilty, and by coincidence, an important focus of Ann's remarks was . . . the liberal media's "exaltation of single-motherhood."
I'll leave it to my fellow NewsBusters to recount the entire story of Ann's Today appearance, including the way NBC apparently scurried to have her on this morning's show after Drudge ran a story asserting that the network had imposed a lifetime ban on the conservative firebrand. For present purposes, let's focus here on the similar themes struck here and by Ann on the subject of single-motherhood.
He stopped short of demanding they be branded with a scarlet 'U.' But the suddenly puritanical David Shuster insists that the proper term for Bristol Palin and Levi Johnston is "unwed parents."
Now, it is of course true that Bristol and Levi are parents and unwed. But when's the last time you heard an MSM type refer to an "unwed mother" or "unwed parents"? As we all know, the approved PC terms are "single mother" and simply "parents" or "partners."
Not having yet read Guilty, I was unaware that Coulter, dubbed the "Conservative Queen" in the Today chyron, devoted an entire chapter to the issue.MATT LAUER: [In the book] you also say that the liberal media and Democrats are out to accomplish the same thing: they want to destroy America. So, I mean, go ahead: why do liberals and the media want to destroy America?As can be seen in the video clip, the discussion continued in that vein for some time.
ANN COULTER: Why? Their motives? Well, I'd have to be their confessor of psychologist to understand that. I'm describing the results. And a beautiful example of this--my Chapter Two of the book--is the exaltation of single-motherhood. It's promoted in the New York Times and in glossy women's magazines and in Hollywood movies. And we now know after 30 years of promoting single-motherhood, of the courts destroying the institution of marriage, that children raised without fathers are filling up the prisons. 70% of the teenage runaways, of teenage pregnancies, of rapists --
LAUER: Hasn't the mainstream media also done extensive reporting on the problem of the disintegration of the American family --
COULTER: Not so much --
LAUER: -- about the responsibility that needs to be held by men and fathers; that sort of thing?
COULTER: Not so much, actually. I think I document that pretty well here. Barbara Ehrenreich, who used to be a regular reporter for Time magazine and the New York Times, and she's constantly denouncing the nuclear family. The National Organization for Women has a bumper sticker: 'A Nuclear Family Can Destroy Your Whole Life.'
So . . . back to Shuster. Had he perhaps gotten an advance copy of Guilty, was persuaded by Ann's arguments, and has suddenly become a conservative cultural warrior? Was that behind his insistence that Bristol and Levi be branded "unwed parents"? Somehow I doubt it. A cyber-prize to the first reader who notes an example of how Shuster next refers to a mother in the same situation as Bristol.
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.
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They champion single
January 7, 2009 - 10:41 ET by mattmThey champion single motherhood especially if the mother is a gay, non-white male, vegan, gaia-worshipping, marxist-democrat.
And don't forget that most
January 7, 2009 - 11:09 ET by SickofLibsAnd don't forget that most fabulous, over-hyped MSM "parenting" story of 2008, The Amazing Pregnant Man.
"Pregnant Man"
January 7, 2009 - 11:50 ET by GothampcVery good point about the "pregnant man". Don't forget he/she was one of Barbara Walters' 10 most interesting people of 2008.
Walter's list
January 7, 2009 - 12:23 ET by SickofLibsYup, and when Tom Cruise makes the top 10 in ANY list these days (unless it's the a-hole list) you gotta think WTF?
Dear Ann,
January 7, 2009 - 10:49 ET by candanceYou are my hero. I voted for you in my local Senate race and buy your books the week they are released. Please continue advancing conservative studies and shedding light on liberal failures.
And don't worry about Matt Lauer or Harry Smith. When they write five bestsellers in a row maybe they won't be so jealous anymore.
Sincerely,
Your biggest fan (this is Stan)
:-D
I'm a typical white person.
Saw the 'beat down'
January 7, 2009 - 10:50 ET by FastEdbut was VERY disappointed in the amount of time allotted - Matt never allowed Ann to answer. As a so called 'journalist', he should turn in his union card, but keep his SAG card, 'cause he's doing a pretty good job of acting as a defender of the truth.
His focus, BHO and single mothers, was a statement in support of immature and 'have fun' teens/20's (if it feels good - do it- mentality).
As questions were returned to the 'questioner', being smarter than the rest of us, Matt NEVER had an answer. Could it be that as a puppet, he has no smarts? No knowledge of what he is talking about? Naah, that couldn't be the reason. </sarc>
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Ann Coulter
January 7, 2009 - 11:54 ET by Gothampc"Matt never allowed Ann to answer"
None of them ever do. They're afraid that the truth might get out. They're afraid someone might learn something from "evil rightwing" Ann.
On the other side, Ann gives a very thought out response to questions which unfortunately is not suitable for today's media which requires a 15 second snap answer.
Matt treated Ann with pure
January 7, 2009 - 11:02 ET by SeashellMatt treated Ann with pure disdain. He would have treated Bill Ayers better than that.
Also, as I posted on the Shuster piece, remember what the media did to Dan Quayle over what he said about "Murphy Brown".
He would have treated Bill
January 7, 2009 - 11:17 ET by motherbeltHe would have treated Bill Ayers better than that.
I believe he did. LOL just kidding.
But you are right; they always pick Ann Coulter to show what a "tough" interviewer they can be; and they always challenge her and try to put her on the defensive. Luckily she doesn't bite.
I nearly spewed my coffee at Lauer's questioning that making claims in an "outrageous" way hurts one's credibility.
Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid.....call your office!!
But most of all, Lauer's Tom Daschle imitation, pretending he's just concerned and disappointed about the tone made me gag.
But most of all, Lauer's
January 7, 2009 - 11:56 ET by SeashellBut most of all, Lauer's Tom Daschle imitation, pretending he's just concerned and disappointed about the tone made me gag.
I noticed that too. It was sickening.
Good one.
January 7, 2009 - 11:24 ET by superconMurphy Brown.The all time heroine of single motherhood.
How many other TV. shows glorified single motherhood....?
Alice.One Day at a time.The Partridge family.What's happening.The courageous single mother struggling to raise her brood.
I guess I'm sort of dating myself.I'm sure there are other that are more recent but the only time I watch the big three networks is when the Pats or the Sox are playing.
"I guess I'm sort of dating myself"
January 7, 2009 - 11:28 ET by SickofLibsI don't "self-date" all that often but it is a viable no-strings alternative sometimes!
well supercon
January 7, 2009 - 11:36 ET by candanceShows today have moved beyond that and now glorify lesbian motherhood, Wicca for teens, and abortion as a viable option for pregnancy.
There is an all-out assault on America's youth to make them emotionally disturbed and void of all morals.
I'm a typical white person.
And poor Dan Quayle! I
January 7, 2009 - 11:58 ET by SeashellAnd poor Dan Quayle! I think that comment he made is what brought him down. The press was relentless towards him because of it.
That and...
January 7, 2009 - 12:53 ET by Red Jeep...the spelling of potatoe or potatoes.
RJThat occured before Clinton became President on June 5, 1992.
January 7, 2009 - 20:29 ET by upcountrywater1992.. wow..
FREEDOM
(D)
A little TV Land Defense.
January 7, 2009 - 13:47 ET by jarrett.edwardsI'm not self-dating myself since I am too young to have seen these shows, in their original runs, other than Murphy Brown. However, I have seen them all are rather like them, so I must defend them just alittle. Alice was a widow, as was Mrs. Partridge so they can't be blamed for being single mothers. From what I remember the mother on One Day At A Time was a divorcee so at least she was married when she had children. Murphy Brown was the only one who glorified single motherhood in the way that the MSM likes to. I just bought Guilty and I'm in the middle of the single motherhood chapter, as always Ann's writing is great!
jarrett
January 7, 2009 - 23:09 ET by thebutlerdiditYou are very right in your analysis. One more interesting point, on Mary Tyler Moore, she was originally supposed to be a divocee, but even in the 70's that wouldn't fly with the networks! My, how far down the toliet we have gone. My husband and I watched an episode of "My Little Margie" the other day. I am too young to have seen it originally, but he isn't. He said, can you imagine a show like this making it on tv now? I said, no way!! But the thing is, it was silly, but very well written. It told a complete story. And no one had sex, did drugs, was gay, practiced witch craft, etc. Amazing how well things can be written when you have to work to take the filth out, and concentrate on just the storyline. We are indeed in a cesspool world. I NEVER watch tv shows. Can't make myself do it anymore. If it doesn't come on a learning type channel or news, I just don't bother.
I guess I'm sort of dating myself.
January 7, 2009 - 20:15 ET by shawn228Did you get to first base? ;-)
He had my vote
→ You ain't never lied
January 7, 2009 - 20:18 ET by Cool ArrowI just flew in from Florida, flight movie was Deep Throat. And boy are my arms tired.
I Love
January 7, 2009 - 11:04 ET by Bighead227Ann Coulter. We must face these problems without political correctness and fear of hurting someone's self-esteem or bid ado to what's left of our civilization.
She eats this stuff with a spoon
January 7, 2009 - 11:59 ET by StarAZCoulter lives for little dustups like this, checking her bank account hourly as it soars. She has never so far as I know passed on her genes (hold the applause). She has no idea what she is talking about, but she sure hates her gender, that is always clear. And here I go, giving her more ink. Sigh. I wonder what a kid of hers would be like--pretty oppositional, I would think. And if pop were still around, would he have the earplugs in?
wow star
January 7, 2009 - 12:14 ET by candanceAs for her hating her gender, I'm also female and I love the fact that some women out there still care enough to point out problems. The American left devises "freedoms" for women that usually end up trapping them in poverty, depression, and disfunctional families - and then if you point it out that means you want to attack those "freedoms."
Your personal insults and jouvenile humor show me just how much you care about the issues she addressed.
I'm a typical white person.
"The American left devises
January 7, 2009 - 12:37 ET by shawn228"The American left devises "freedoms" for women that usually end up
trapping them in poverty, depression, and disfunctional families - "
That is the case for some but not all unmarried and single mothers. The percentage might even work in the favor of Ann Coulters argument.
No one needs to give these women freedom to be single mothers, they already have that right, they just don't want the stigma that used to come with a single mom.
He had my vote
Good morning Shawn
January 7, 2009 - 12:50 ET by cocodrieRight you are. What bothers me most is how Sarah Palin was raked over the coals for forgiving her daughter and helping her to begin a good life with her fiance.
Condemnation or approval from the MSM depends on which side of the political spectrum you live on.
you missed my point there shawn
January 7, 2009 - 12:51 ET by candanceThis isn't about removing a social stigma around single motherhood. Yes there are some women who successfully do it and there are some cases where it's best for the father to leave (abuse, etc). Ann is not saying it's impossible to raise a child on your own.
Ann and I have a problem with the entire picture that is presented to modern women...casual sex is the norm, give birth only if you feel like it, extort money out of the father without giving him any say in how the child is raised, assume all the men in your life are bumbling fools, work 60 hours a week while your child lives at daycare and spend the extra money on botox.
Modern women are under tremendous pressure, both physically and mentally, all the while being told that it's weakness to reach out to a strong man. That was Ann's point.
I'm a typical white person.
I look at it as a liberation of women candance
January 7, 2009 - 12:56 ET by shawn228Why do men that sleep with women studs and women that do the same thing labeled $luts?
I don't agree with extorting money out of the father either, but I do not find where the msm is saying it is weakness to reach out to a man, they are just saying it is there choice if they want to or not.
He had my vote
double standard
January 7, 2009 - 13:04 ET by candanceYes I absolutely agree that it is a double standard, but I don't think the solution is to glorify casual sex among anyone.
And the MSM does paint men as bumbling fools all the time. Watch any sitcom for five minutes and you'll see the exact same pattern - the guy is a slob who messes up the house while the wife cleans up after him, pays all the bills, and raises children despite his immature influence. Networks like Lifetime and Oxygen fawn over women who work so hard to keep up their homes while ignoring the contribution from their husbands.
Don't sit there and tell me adult men in this country are portrayed as loving providers.
As for women being liberated, Ann's research debunks that - while you do have exceptions, by and large, as a culture, women's liberation has resulted in more and more women trapped in poverty and disfunctional lives.
It has nothing to do with women being free and everything to do with tearing them down.
I'm a typical white person.
And a big fat
January 7, 2009 - 13:28 ET by choselife3xAMEN to that, candance.
(and I don't call those men studs, I call them a$$holes.)
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Hello can dance
January 7, 2009 - 14:10 ET by cocodrieI grew up in the '40s and '50s when "Ozzie and Harriet" and "The Beaver" were a reality. That really was how we lived, without all the glamour. My momma never wore her Sunday dress while cooking either. These shows won't be seen today because they do not represent the politically correct family. They don't want to show women running the house and men earning a living.
Dr. Spock and others have taught us that children are not to be corrected or disciplined but must be understood. Parents are to be their friends not their superiors. Respect for authority is forbidden and children are always smarter than parents and teachers.
The old divide and conquer strategy is at work here. Democrats have used this against us for years. Gender, race, nationality, and other things are used to divide us. Once we are divided the democrats present themselves as our only hope.
That is why The Chosen One was accepted as our hope and will change our lives for the better.
coco... Dr. Spock really
January 8, 2009 - 01:19 ET by Clear thinkercoco...
Dr. Spock really pisssed me off. After years of parents listening to his advice and screwing up millions of kids, he then comes out years later and says "whoops, I was wrong".
What a maroon!
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Good evening CT
January 8, 2009 - 01:25 ET by cocodrieToday we have Dr. Oprah.
Evenin'coco... I can
January 8, 2009 - 01:37 ET by Clear thinkerEvenin'coco...
I can proudly say that I have never watched Oprah. I may have seen a few minutes while in the witing room at a Doctors office, but I have never seen the whole show.
Fortunately, she has zero effect on my family. Neither did Dr. Spock. If I screwed up, I was in deep, deep, doo-doo. Trust me, the only 'time-out' I got was after I got my butt whooped and was sent to my room.... for like a month.
Ah, the good old days.
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Hmmmm
January 7, 2009 - 21:27 ET by shawn228To go back to the tv dads of the past. Mike Brady, Howard Cunningham, and Charles Ingals.
More recently we have Chandler Bing, Ray Romano. Some are bumbling, but they all love their spouses and want to provide for their family.
Just how many unmarried women with babies that are seen in a postive light by the MSM since Murphy Brown? Grace from Will and Grace
Mirhanda from Sex and the City was about to abort her child. She ended up keeping the baby and marrying the father.
Curious on what shows you are talking about that portray these single mothers in such a postive light.
He had my vote
→ Shawn
January 7, 2009 - 21:42 ET by Cool ArrowHas it occurred to you that liberals might not want the dirty little secrets they keep aired out like so much dirty laundry?
The portrayal of real single-motherhood isn't all Helen Reddy "You and Me Against the World"
It's leaving young teens with way too much unsupervised time on their hands, to explore sexuality, booze, drugs, and bad company.
It's settleing for the next loser who comes around who may, or may not, have the hots for mom, but dang! Don't that 15yr. old daughter look good.
I agree, There's not much in the way of single mothers on TV these days.
Of course, Three and a Half Men does a pretty good job of showing what a kid can learn when he lives in the same house with a horndog. You think the kid would be seeing the same things if Mommy and Daddy were still together?
Cool Arrow
January 7, 2009 - 22:34 ET by shawn228"It's leaving young teens with way too much unsupervised time on their
hands, to explore sexuality, booze, drugs, and bad company."
With the prices of homes and food these days, the majority of families have working Dads and Moms and the time children have a chance to experiment with sex and drugs increases, I agree.The thing is, with both Mom and Dad working it does not increase time spent with kids.
The thing is there is fine line between free speech and protecting our children.
I want to be able to watch crudes shows like 3 and half men, South Park or the Sopranos but I don't want my kid watching them
Parents should have the discresion on what is acceptable and not on television and also use the V chip, this is not a perfect solution, but discresion is better than censorship.
He had my vote
→ Spare me, Shawn
January 7, 2009 - 22:43 ET by Cool ArrowI want to be able to watch crudes shows like 3 and half men, South Park or the Sopranos but I don't want my kid watching them
That's a really good sentiment, Shawn, but in a single-mother household, Shawn isn't there to make sure his kid doesn't watch Three and a Half Men any more than he's there to make suyre his kid isn't cruising Skinhead or Skin sites.
That's what you get with single parent homes.
I remember waiting for hours until "your daddy gets home", and let me tell you, IT IS A DETERRENT TO HOOLIGANISM.
Now, contrast that to a dad who has to make nice with his kids every time he sees them because he's only got every other weekend, and (no probably about it) definitely has another family which causes no small amount of consternation to his weekend kids.
You made my case for me Shawn.
Cool Arrow
January 7, 2009 - 23:20 ET by shawn228When we were talking about single moms, I thought we talking about ones that decided to have babies out of wedlock.
Divorces happen in both conservative and democrat families.
Regardless if the parent is single or married, they have to be monitor what their kids watch on the internet and tv.
If your going to change the tone of single women to divoced women, what is your solution if things cannot be worked out. stay in a loveless marriage until the kids graduate college?
He had my vote
→ Shawn
January 7, 2009 - 23:35 ET by Cool ArrowMy original point was that it's no accident there are few single mothers portrayed on television because it really isn't the sitcom Liberals want us to believe.
The realities of a mother trying to rais kids on her own are an invitation to disaster.
Stay in a loveless marriage until the kids graduate college? (What? He doesn't love his kids, either?)
Well, once again you answer your own question.
What I'm hearing (figuratively) is "I don't love her, so the whole family I have helped create must suffer because I've found somebody new. It is a seldom broken axiom that men don't leave unless there's already another bed made elsewhere.
Sure, I understand there are lots of "what ifs", but the statistics remain as Ann Coulter stated. If you really want your kids to grow up screwed up, turn your back on them.
there is not always another women cool
January 7, 2009 - 23:46 ET by shawn228Lots or relationships go south on their own. I do not advocate cheating on your spouse, but what about the one that fines out the other cheating? Stay with a cheater for the sake of children?
edit
The msm is not advocating turning your back on the kids, at least not that I can see.
He had my vote
'Go south on their own' I'd
January 8, 2009 - 00:04 ET by choselife3x'Go south on their own'
I'd have to disagree. Relationships are the sum of the people in them. There is always a responsibility on both parts to nurture the relationship. 'Loveless' doesn't happen unless you let it.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Hi choselife3x
January 8, 2009 - 00:15 ET by shawn228I should have clarified what I meant to cool arrow. When I mean go south on their own, I mean both people drift apart for reasons other than infidelity.
Sometimes its disagreements about money, jobs, how kids should be raised etc. Arguments are started and hurtful things are said. When there is too much pride on both sides, people just drift apart, i'm not sure what that statistics are, but I'm pretty sure the divorce rate is very even between Democrats and Republicans.
He had my vote
Hi Shawn!
January 8, 2009 - 00:32 ET by choselife3xNow that is an interesting thought. I wonder if anyone has done a study on that.
Honestly, I think most problems, divorce included, are caused by selfishness. If you can't get past your own selfish pride/desires, than you are damaging the relationship. And they can only take so much damage.
My rule of thumb is, if I find myself internally justifying a particular action than it MUST be wrong, or else I wouldn't feel the need to justify it! (for example, holding anger towards my husband for some offence)
Alright, I go night-night. See you later Shawn :-)
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Hello Shawn
January 8, 2009 - 01:04 ET by cocodrieThe main reason is pride. Too proud to say I apologize, too proud to say I love you, too proud to do without the things the neighbors have.
What is lacking is this kind of love. From 1 Corinthians 13:4
Love is patient and kind. Love envies no one, is never boastful, never conceited, never rude, love is never selfish, never quick to take offence. Love keeps no score of wrongs, takes no pleasure in the sins of others, but delights in the truth. There is nothing love cannot face; there is no limit to its faith, its hope its endurance.
From the Oxford Study Bible.
Thanks Coco
January 8, 2009 - 01:12 ET by general companyI know a few folks that should see this, may help me help some folks I love. Beautiful, thanks
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Good evening General
January 8, 2009 - 01:21 ET by cocodrieThat's the Apostle Paul' words to live by. The words the left-wing extremists make fun of.
Check out
January 8, 2009 - 01:32 ET by choselife3xThe end of the Song of Solomon too. 'Set me as a seal upon thine arm, as a seal upon thy heart, for love is as strong as death.... And 'Many waters cannot quench love, neither can floods drown it' Mmmmmmm. You just can't beat the Bible.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Hello again chose
January 8, 2009 - 00:31 ET by cocodrieMy wife and I had a relationship for 46 years, married for 42 of them. Some were tough and several times we almost split up. A successful relationship requires the commitment of both.
I saw some of our friends divorce and it was always the same reason; greener grass on the other side. One was always looking for better finances, sex, youth, or whatever else struck their fancy. Nearly all of the second marriages failed for the same reasons.
Today children learn from TV and movies to move on to something better. Don't settle for what you have get more. The relationships presented to them are shallow and selfish.
Cocodrie my dear
January 8, 2009 - 00:44 ET by choselife3xI love my husband, he is the only man I've ever kissed. He's also the only man I've ever seriously considered killing. :-O
A successful marriage requires laying down your life for the other person. Which is difficult and painful once you're past the 'violently in love' phase. But the only thing that makes life worth living is having something you're willing to die for.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
3x
January 8, 2009 - 00:49 ET by sherylsimsYeah, take it from someone who just celebrated 30 years. It isn't all peaches and cream, but hanging in there is the only way to make it this far. I am so glad we did. It was touch and go there now and then.
BFF!
January 8, 2009 - 01:04 ET by choselife3xMy parents just celebrated their 30th last April! You just made me feel like a baby. I'm gonna go get my paccie and go to sleep. :-O
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
"He's also the only man
January 8, 2009 - 01:01 ET by R D Helm"He's also the only man I've ever seriously considered killing."
Whew, that's a relief! :-)
-Dave
“Them that’s going get on the wagon. Them that ain’t get out of the way.” -Because enough is enough.
Stay on your toes
January 8, 2009 - 01:07 ET by choselife3xDave. I'm Irish.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
let's compare
January 7, 2009 - 22:59 ET by candanceFamous TV single mothers since Murphy Brown:
Single parents in real life praised by the MSM:
I'm a typical white person.
Murphy Brown
January 7, 2009 - 23:28 ET by shawn228Had a child out of Wedlock. Eminem and Halle Berry were married before getting a divorce, Fantasia had a extremely hard time growing up and she has a very heroic story about overcoming the odds and she deserves the kudos she gets. Not sure about Kid Rock.
Rachel Green decided to re-unite with Ross Geller the childs father in the last episode. I do not watch any of the others shows that you mentioned.
He had my vote
ok shawn
January 8, 2009 - 00:01 ET by candanceSo it's okay for Fantasia to be a single mother because she grew up poor? Because she was abused? Because she had dysfunctional relationships? I lived through all those same things and still knew better than to dig a deeper hole by getting pregnant.
Oh, and for the record, I personally know people from High Point (I lived there for five years) who can attest that she exxagerated the abuse from her boyfriend.
That's exactly what Ann writes about in her new book - feel bad for these poor little girls because they grew up in the slums and had no other choice. They walked into a Goodwill store to buy some clothes and a baby popped out.
With the obvious exception of rape, every other case of single motherhood is a choice.
I'm a typical white person.
I feel Fantasia
January 8, 2009 - 00:10 ET by shawn228Is heroic for not aborting her child and tried her best to give her baby a good life. despite the cards life threw at her.
Sorry Candance, I am not saying you are lying, but I can't go on speculation from people you know that she was not abused.
Just like when Obama was was wanting to spend a few last days with his grandmother, you said there was an ulterior motive.
I believe his grandmother passed 3 days after you said that. I am not trying to throw a cheap shot, but whenever a liberal does something noble, you always seem to think there is self serving purpose.
He had my vote
what shawn??
January 8, 2009 - 00:24 ET by candanceObama's trip to Hawaii has exactly what to do with Fantasia Barrino getting pregnant...other than you wanting to imply that I peddle nasty rumors about people?
You don't want to take my word for it, fine, but don't say "I'm not saying you are lying" and then imply that maybe I am.
And for the record, life did not "throw" a baby at her. She did not wake up one morning with a baby magically sitting there. She attended a public school where she was instructed on how to properly use birth control and were babies come from, and she got pregnant anyway. I know lots of girls who were thrown much worse out of life and managed to avoid getting pregnant. You still don't get it.
I'm a typical white person.
candance
January 8, 2009 - 00:32 ET by shawn228I did not mean it that way, if it came out the wrong way I apologize. I just meant that whenever a liberal does something that is noble, you are naturally suspicious.
Fantasia made a mistake, just like many other teenagers. I am saying she is very brave for not aborting the child.
He had my vote
still missing the point
January 8, 2009 - 00:39 ET by candanceI agree Fantasia made a mistake as many teens do. But Ann's point (and mine) is that the media gloss over the ugly parts and glorify her as a success, and then when confronted they resort to "well she grew up poor" as if that explains away any mistakes.
I'm a typical white person.
but I do get your point candance
January 8, 2009 - 01:09 ET by shawn228Yes she made it big with a singing contract, but from what I remember the msm were milking it for all it s worth that she is a single mom and the struggle she went through.
No one is advocating she got pregnant because she was poor, I am saying she went through very hard times after she had the baby.
He had my vote
Shawn
January 8, 2009 - 00:53 ET by thebutlerdiditYes, it's great she decided not to abort. It's great she is trying to take care of her child. But they do glorify the single mother part of her, and all the other stars lives. Being poor doesn't have anything to do with teen pregnancy. My daughter did it, and she was in a 30 thou a year private school. She got married, she is raising her kids, the end. You probably don't see as many magazines and programs and such that we women do, but we see tons of stories on how great it is these people "overcame" their obstacles. They don't mention they made most of the obstacles themselves!!!! No one forces you to get pg, unless you are raped, and every girl over about 10 nowadays knows where babies come from. By 12 they are more knowledgeable than most of the women on here were at 18-20. If they get pregnant it is by free will choice.
Hi btdi
January 8, 2009 - 01:15 ET by shawn228I do not believe she got pregnant on purpose. I am not saying she is right for having sex most likely without protection, but at the same time it was not her choice to get pregnant.
So I guess sometimes I find it confusing that liberals that abort their babies are murderers, but if they keep the babies, we should point fingers at them on how irresponsible they are?
He had my vote
Shawn, even using bc, if you
January 8, 2009 - 01:25 ET by thebutlerdiditShawn, even using bc, if you have sex, and get preggers, then yes, you made that choice. Birth control is not 100%, so every time you have sex you run the risk of getting knocked up. No one should point fingers at ANYONE that is truly trying to raise their kids right, but don't make that part of the glorification. Like I said before, you probably don't read many women's magazines, etc., but I remember that my daughter's CosmoGirl did a big layout on Fantasia, and they really emphasized her being a single mom, but they never wrote about the downside of it, or that it wasn't an optimal situation. That's what we are talking about. I'm saying this was like a 4 page spread of her, and it just said she had a hard time before she found fame. It was a perfect opportunity to really show teen girls how hard of a time she really had, if she did. I thought libs loved "teachable moments," well, this was a perfect one. Jamie Lynn Spears was the most recent and the perfect one, since she was a big kids star before getting preggers. Instead it was just look how great she looks, and how good a mother she is. Trust me when I say, if you make it look good/easy/romantic teen girls are all over that!
Good grief
January 8, 2009 - 01:38 ET by cocodrieIf I decide to run across the interstsate during rush hour traffic , I may not be choosing to get hit but the odds AIN"T good in my favor.
tbdi
January 8, 2009 - 01:54 ET by shawn228I did not see the article, but i will take your word for it. I agree with you that the hard part of being a single mom should have been a main focus as well.
I honestly have not seen too many tv shows that glorify single moms, but I am kind of a lefty so i will be on the lookout ;-)
He had my vote
OK I will bite
January 8, 2009 - 01:31 ET by general companyI am not saying she is right for having sex most likely without
protection, but at the same time it was not her choice to get pregnant.
So who's choice was it then? Not using protection is the same as choosing to be pregnant,,,or is there something else? BTW dumb luck doesnt work for me, some one is responsible.
So I guess sometimes I find it confusing that liberals that abort their
babies are murderers, but if they keep the babies, we should point
fingers at them on how irresponsible they are?
My better judgment tells me to leave this alone, but. While it is obviously irresponsible, it should also serve as a learning tool for others, but that is not what happends. Some of these folks are glorified so much we end up with more and more children getting pregnant on purpose, like the girls who made the pact in HS last year.
But of course if you are a conservitive,,well then you are highlighted as irresponsible. As in the case of Palin's Daughter.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
General company
January 8, 2009 - 01:55 ET by shawn228Having unprotected sex is not the same as choosing to have a baby it is totally different, she did not mean to get pregnant. She along with her teenage hormones and more than likely peer pressure made her do something that she should not have done and it was a mistake.
"BTW dumb luck doesnt work for me, some one is responsible."
She was responsible, she had the baby and raised it remember?
He had my vote
Shawn
January 8, 2009 - 02:07 ET by thebutlerdiditI'm not trying to be arguementative about this, but you still have it wrong. Whether she "meant" to get pregnant or not, she chose to have sex. When you choose this, you are saying that you are willing to get pregnant, because birth control is not 100%. It's just the way it is. As for tv programs, I don't watch that drivel on tv, so I don't know exactly what's on, or who says what. I mentioned the one article, but it was just one of hundreds. It is unreal if you see all of it, on a regular basis. I respect the fact that she seems to be trying to do a good job with her kid, but like I said, these kids see this as a cool example. Not as a do not do. That's the whole problem in a nutshell.
thebutlerdidit
January 8, 2009 - 02:14 ET by shawn228Birth control is not 100 percent effective, but I will take 97 percent effective over no birth control at all.
It is not just teens, there are married couples that have regular sex with birth control for years. If the wife gets pregnant, regardless if she has the baby or not, does not mean she chose to have this baby.
He had my vote
Shawn
January 8, 2009 - 02:33 ET by thebutlerdiditNo matter your age, if you have sex, you get pregnant, if you don't abort, then you "mean" to have a baby. Since I am against abortion, except for dire medical needs, then I have to say, you have sex, YOU RUN THE RISK OF GETTING PREGNANT. If you don't mean to have a baby, or take the chance on getting preggers, then don't have sex!! It doesn't matter if the risk is 00000001%, there's still a risk, or gamble. The only absolute bc is zero penile penentration. Works every single time.
"The only absolute bc is
January 8, 2009 - 02:43 ET by shawn228"The only absolute bc is zero penile penentration. Works every single time. "
I do not disagree with you, but sex is an important intimate part of marriage, even after you don't want any more kids.
My point is the result of getting pregnant after bc is a accident, not intentional.
Going to bed, great talking to you tbdi.
He had my vote
Maybe not intentional, but
January 8, 2009 - 03:24 ET by thebutlerdiditMaybe not intentional, but should be expected as a possibility. However small. I know, I was one of those "accidents." Good Night, talk to you later.
And all this time I though we
January 8, 2009 - 03:26 ET by general companyWere talking about single mothers and the msm's glorification of it.
I do not disagree with you, but sex is an important intimate part of marriage, even after you don't want any more kids.
But now it is suddenly a discussion of how MARRIED folk can have unwanted kids too? So how is this relevant? Nevermind I dont want to know.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Geez Shawn
January 8, 2009 - 02:20 ET by general companyI hate it when I go against my better judgement.
Having unprotected sex is not the same as choosing to have a baby it is totally different,
What? This makes no sense to me. We hold all athletes responsible for what they put into their bodies. Infact the NFL just suspended my favorite player because the company that made his dietary supplement tainted it with a hormone used to loose water. He is being held responsible for what he put into his body. Drink to much you may end up being held to account, drugs same thing. Why cant everyone else be responsible for what they put into theirs? No doubt you feel like this is too restrictive/unrealistic or some such. And yes, I think preventing a unwanted pregnancy is just this simple.
"BTW dumb luck doesnt work for me, some one is responsible."
You have me compleatly out of context here, and I think you know it. I was refering to the act of conception without protection.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
General company
January 8, 2009 - 02:31 ET by shawn228I love similes and comparisons as much as the next person, but a person that is held responsible for putting something into his body is totally different that a person having unprotected sex..Although Terrell Owens acts like a teenage drama queen all the time ;-)
A football player gets paid for his job and subject to drug test, just like other places of employment in this country. You can get fired for coming to work stoned or fail a drug test, but from what i understand a person can't be terminated for a pregnancy right?
"You have me compleatly out of context here, and I think you know it. I was refering to the act of conception without protection. "
I knew exactly what you meant, and again she took responsibility for her misjudgement.
edit "second paragraph'
He had my vote
Yea ok Shawn
January 8, 2009 - 03:04 ET by general companyI knew exactly what you meant, and again she took responsibility for her misjudgement.
Then why did you take me compleatly out of context? Where did I suggest she did anything after the fact. Funny how you ignor or justify her initial irresponsibility for her responsibility after the fact. So if its a bravo you are looking for because she (who ever she is) had the child and takes care of it,,,well then "Bravo". But that hardy does jack for the fact that she had an unwanted baby now does it.
I love similes and comparisons as much as the next person, but a person
that is held responsible for putting something into his body is totally
different that a person having unprotected sex.
Not the way I see it, putting somthing in ones body is the responsibility of the person. Weather it be a pill, soda, apple or yes even body fluids. But your logic suggest that because she isnt getting paid or able to be fired then she isnt responsible? I dont think I am capable of that kind of logic.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Candace
January 7, 2009 - 23:21 ET by thebutlerdiditThank you! I was going to respond to StarAz, but I see you have already done so, and probably better than I could. I was a single mother, due to a divorce, not the same as never marrying, but even though, as I said earlier on a post, I was also an abused wife. Being a single mother is never an optimal thing for anyone. It sucks. The kids suffer horribly. Mine had to suffer from the marriage, and the divorce. Hollywood and the media given coverstory after cover story to the unwed moms who are stars, and it influences girls who think they can do it, too. And they celebrate these 40ish stars adopting kids who just end up passing them on to a nanny. This is what people see as ok to do, yet they don't have the dough these stars have to provide all the luxuries for these kids. And if you look, these kids of stars tend to be screwed up, anyway. Wny is their no celebration of a true nuclear family? I get sick seeing the "pregnant {not a real} man" story. It isn't great, it's sick. And I bet those kids, because he/she is preggers again, will be sooo screwed up!
right butler
January 8, 2009 - 00:10 ET by candanceThis has nothing to do with demeaning or attacking single mothers. It's simply pointing out that it's a bad situation to get into and the media ought not to be glorifying it.
I'm a typical white person.
'The percentage might even work in favor'
January 7, 2009 - 12:55 ET by choselife3xActually, the statistics prove her contention beyond any doubt whatsoever. As does simple logic and common sense.
She does her research. Everything is extensively annotated. Check it out.
(Good morning Shawn :))
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Choselife3x
January 7, 2009 - 20:29 ET by shawn228The statistics also say if there is a very good chance you can hardened arteries and heart disease after eating fast food.
Statistics are also scary true about people getting cancer after smoking cigarettes.
I don't know your thoughts about this, but I do not believe they should not advertise their product.
If a man or women are over 18 and wants to have pre maritial sex, there should be self accountability, if you ask for the advise it is one thing , but no one should lecture you on what is moral or not.
Why? Because the decision is ours and what we do to our own bodies should not be anyones business.
Now the argument can be made that the life of the child is affected. This is true, but being a single mother is better than abortion right?
He had my vote
Good morning candance
January 7, 2009 - 12:44 ET by cocodrieWomen are good at compliments, insults, criticsm, and whatever other emotion there is. Ann is superb and very direct in her use of these. Men are just no comparispn in this area.
There is no room in left-wing extremist universe for real men or real women.
The women's lib movement has been crying for years wanting women to be exactly what Ann is. But Ann is hated because she is conservative. Thank God she is because she is deadly.
Hey...
January 7, 2009 - 13:03 ET by StarAZThat wasn't a personal attack, was it? But thanks for the compliment on my humor. I am pretty proud of it. It's how I make my living. I also happen to be a single mother, with all that entails, and Ann is not.
ah
January 7, 2009 - 13:07 ET by candanceSo Ann can't talk about overwhelming statistics of a serious issue because she's not a mother? Sounds like someone is taking this all a big too personal.
I'm a typical white person.
That's how ad hominum
January 7, 2009 - 13:11 ET by Free StinkerThat's how ad hominum attacks work.
Oh no! The issue is not the facts Ann speaks, no no no. This issue is Ann herself, so hopefully no one notices what she is saying.
This is the same M.O. they use on Governor Palin
"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media." -- Lowell Ponte
of course Free
January 7, 2009 - 13:19 ET by candanceAnd even if these facts had been presented by a real single mother there would still be something wrong with them.
I'm a typical white person.
Well, right now Sarah
January 7, 2009 - 13:22 ET by Free StinkerWell, right now Sarah Palin's daughter is a "single mom" and we can see what the MSM *really* thinks of that.
"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media." -- Lowell Ponte
yep
January 7, 2009 - 13:24 ET by candanceBristol Palin does exactly what MTV tells her to, and suddenly that's an irresponsible lifestyle. My popcorn supply is starting to run low.
I'm a typical white person.
So far, thanks to their
January 7, 2009 - 13:27 ET by Free StinkerSo far, thanks to their treatment of the Governor, her family, and friends, I have learned that the MSM is against:
rofl
January 7, 2009 - 13:29 ET by candanceThat just about sums it up. Oh, but don't forget they are vehemently against the word "dude."
I'm a typical white person.
I saw that, too
January 7, 2009 - 13:34 ET by StarAZMaybe if Ann called her son "spawn" it would be OK.
Ann can talk about anything she wants--so can you
January 7, 2009 - 13:19 ET by StarAZAnd so can I. I prefer some background in the speaker, but this isn't always possible. I know she was trying to be humorous saying that women who raise kids without benefit of husband are stripper farms or whatever it was. It's just that she doesn't know how hard it is to get a stripper job these days...or put peanut butter on the table... But, I say, uncle--she's a funny gal.
and there it is
January 7, 2009 - 13:21 ET by candanceNot only does she not know what it's like to be a mother, she doesn't know what it's like to be poor! What else would you like to throw in, she doesn't know how to change her own brake pads?
I'm a typical white person.
You win, whatever
January 7, 2009 - 13:26 ET by StarAZThis isn't going anywhere interesting. Buy her book!
awwww
January 7, 2009 - 13:27 ET by candanceI thought you made your living off of your wit. Still waiting for you to say anything funny.
I'm a typical white person.
Time magazine's tone
January 7, 2009 - 12:22 ET by mothergooseTime magazine's exact quote in noting the Palin grandchild's birth..."Bristol Palin spawns Tripp Easton Mitchell Johnston." SPAWNS!? I was appalled. What did that baby and that young woman do to deserve such distain? Oh..................Palin, right!
"spawn"
January 7, 2009 - 12:26 ET by SickofLibsI saw that too, and thought how vile can these people possibly get? Surprised they didn't refer to the baby as an incubus.
SPAWNS?!!!!!!!!!!
January 7, 2009 - 12:45 ET by choselife3xOkay, that is beyond the pale. I'm really surprised NB didn't JUMP on that. Where is the outrage? We need to make such a stink they yank that like CNN.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
More "spawn"
January 7, 2009 - 12:53 ET by BlondeI just had to see this for myself.
I am shocked!
BRISTOL PALIN spawns Tripp Easton Mitchell Johnston
Sick ba****ds.
You should see the print
January 7, 2009 - 13:27 ET by SickofLibsYou should see the print version and see how they cropped Bristol's head & hair in their funny little silhouette. It was a verbal AND a visual bitchslap.
Extraordinarily nasty to do to an 18-yr. who's already been ripped to shreds.
That's just gross
January 7, 2009 - 13:32 ET by BlondeA pox on all their houses.
My mom goes to alot of doctors, I think I'll show this to her and have her drop it off. Time rag is already irrelevant to most everyone, if they lose the Dr's offices....well.
Spawned???
January 8, 2009 - 00:00 ET by thebutlerdiditI seem to remember Jamie Lynn Spears got several mag covers with beautiful "madonna & child" type of pics on the covers, with quotes about how wonderful it was to be a mom. As a grandmother of a former "teen mom" this is true bullshirt! I love how they sell this to the teens. And it does, too. Even the ones that end up getting married, Nicole Ritchie, Ashlee Simpson, they are considered so cool. But, as I said before, teen moms in reality are not rich and famous, so it doesn't go that way in regular life. And then you have the most famous teen mom around who didn't seem to want to be a mom after all. Casey Anthony, anyone? My daughter is a great mom, but she works her butt off doing it. It isn't glam. She has told me that most of the girls she met through a teen mom group were planning on having lots of kids, because they had found out you can get all kinds of benefits the more kids you have.If any of you can't see this is a problem......another problem is that so many schools allow girls who are preggers to remain at school. This is the kind of thing that sets off a rash of teen pregnancies. They want to be in the "in" group. They like the whole playing house thing. I have seen this with my own eyes, and heard girls say it. So, no, please don't tell me it's ok, and that whatever people want to do is fine, as long as they both are consenting. And single moms do have a harder time raising kids. You have no back-up, no support, no extra set of eyes to keep up with what's going on. Yes, a small group of single moms do fine, but as Ann says, the stats, especially in low-income families, are bad.
I am not a big Ann Coulter fan at all
January 7, 2009 - 12:31 ET by shawn228but I hate it when anyone does not let another person finish their sentence. Lauer was totally unprofessional.
He had my vote
98%
January 7, 2009 - 12:59 ET by Red Jeep98% of the country has better things to do than watch the Today Show. Only 5,459,000 people watch it now
Here is a direct link to
January 7, 2009 - 14:08 ET by MightyMouthHere is a direct link to the interview, I found it worked better than the one provided.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...