Talk about throwing Palin under the pram . . .
If any pundit should celebrate Sarah Palin, you might think it would be Judith Warner. The author of "Motherhood in the Age of Anxiety" is the Times' resident expert on the challenges women face in balancing career and family. But think again. Politics trumps female solidarity. Warner's column on Palin is perhaps the most vitriolic and condescending I've read. The Mirrored Ceiling is a few days old, but Warner's fury still rings fresh.
Excerpts [emphasis added]:
- It turns out there was something more nauseating than the nomination of Sarah Palin as John McCain’s running mate this past week. It was the tone of the acclaim that followed her acceptance speech.
- Palin sounded, at times, like she was speaking a foreign language as she gave voice to the beautifully crafted words that had been prepared for her . . . But that wasn’t held against her. Thanks to the level of general esteem that greeted her ascent to the podium, it seems we’ve all got to celebrate the fact that America’s Hottest Governor (Princess of the Fur Rendezvous 1983, Miss Wasilla 1984) could speak at all.
Story Continues Below Ad ↓ - Why does this woman – who to some of us seems as fake as they can come, with her delicate infant son hauled out night after night under the klieg lights and her pregnant teenage daughter shamelessly instrumentalized for political purposes — deserve, to a unique extent among political women, to rank as so “real”?
- Real people, the kind of people who will like and identify with Palin, [Republicans] clearly believe, are smart, but not too smart, and don’t talk too well, dropping their “g”s, for example.
- I think, they find her acceptably “real,” because Palin’s not intimidating, and makes it clear that she’s subordinate to a great man.
Sarah Palin and the GOP should wear Warner's contempt as a badge of honor . . . and an indication of just how deep that "unintimidating" Alaska governor has struck fear into liberal hearts.
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.




















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Wow!
September 8, 2008 - 06:26 ET by NortoThese slams go against years of liberal no-no's that we have had to endure whenever a liberal female type has attempted to break the "glass ceiling."
I do not know how to say what I am thinking without being mean, but if this is where the left wing is headed,
Palin/Steele in 2012!
Palin/Steele 2012?
September 8, 2008 - 07:11 ET by PopularTechWhy Steele? So you can have the complete affirmative action ticket? WTF is going on with people? We have one of the most unqualified VP affirmative action picks of all time and insane people are now talking about her running with the completely unqualified Steele in 2012? Give me a break.
You will never make that
September 8, 2008 - 07:31 ET by PeskyDaneYou will never make that case that she is somehow "unqualified." But keep flailing around. It's amusing.
I've made the case that she is unqualified...
September 8, 2008 - 08:06 ET by PopularTechSarah Palin Resume:
Age: 44
Education:
- B.S. Journalism, University of Idaho, 1987
Political Experience:
- Former Council Member, Wasilla City Council, Alaska, 1992-1996 (pop: 6,715)
- Former Mayor, Wasilla City, Alaska, 1996-2002 (pop: 6,715) (Votes: 909)
- Candidate, Lieutenant Governor, Alaska, 2002
- Governor, Alaska, 2006-present (less than 2 years, 1 budget cycle) (pop: 670,053)
Total Career Political Votes: 188,125
Professional Experience:
- First Place, Miss Wasilla Beauty Contest, 1984
- Second Place, Miss Alaska Pageant, 1984
- Television Sports Reporter, 1987-1989
That is as unqualified as they come.
Qualifications
September 8, 2008 - 08:16 ET by Cool ArrowThe most beloved Pope of the modern era was not a Cardinal, he was only 58 years old, and some said he didn't have enough experience. And he came from far away from the good old boy network that had elected only Italians for centuries.
Just a thought. But it is an original thought.
Uhhh, My Christian Faith
The Pope?
September 8, 2008 - 08:26 ET by PopularTechUm.... this is a candidate for the second highest political office of the most powerful country on the planet.
I have no idea what your obsession with religion is but is has nothing to do with this.
Really PT
September 8, 2008 - 08:31 ET by Cool ArrowPolitics is politics if it's a Democratic process
Uhhh, My Christian Faith
Religious politics and State politics are identical
September 8, 2008 - 08:41 ET by PopularTechSure...
Oh really?
September 8, 2008 - 08:17 ET by KarmaSarah Palin is the most qualified candidate in the history of this country.
LMAO - Obama meets those too
September 8, 2008 - 08:28 ET by PopularTechThen you should have no problem with Barrack Obama being president.
You're gettin' closer.
September 8, 2008 - 08:39 ET by KarmaYes, Obama and Barr also meet the requirements. I don't want Obama to be elected for other reasons. By saying I should have no problem with Obama being president, it appears you have a problem with comprehension. Keep workin' at it.
Sarah Palin is the most qualified candidate in the history of the world.
Good then Obama is qualified to be president
September 8, 2008 - 08:44 ET by PopularTechNow please go tell everyone else that is using this line of attack on Obama that he too meets the requirments to become president. Oh how I love the irony.
Now why would I want to do that?
September 8, 2008 - 09:01 ET by KarmaIt's not my goal to sway other voters to do anything but to vote for my choice of candidates. What is your goal, PT?
Sarah Palin is the most qualified candidate in the history of the world.
All about honesty. Obama is qualified by your standards
September 8, 2008 - 09:08 ET by PopularTechIt has nothing to do with swaying other voters but since you are so concerned with defending Palin, I thought you would be as honest enough to defend Obama.
My goal is to try and prevent propaganda, the best I can.
OK. Fine.
September 8, 2008 - 09:31 ET by KarmaI honestly don't want Obama to be president but, if it will make you feel better:
I hereby defend Obama against claims by others that he is not qualified to be president. He should be crushed politically for a myriad of other reasons. Please help crush this qualified candidate.
There, is that better?
Sarah Palin is the most qualified candidate in the history of the world.
PT, You're citing executive
September 8, 2008 - 08:23 ET by Hunter12PT, You're citing executive experience for someone seeking an executive job. Okay, you don't think it is that much. Have you ever held an executive position, so you can dismiss with foreknowledge, the experience someone would get running a small city for six years or running a state making up 16% of the total size of the US?
As far as unqualified as they come, you have missed one who is actually unqualified:
- Community Organizer, 19?? - 1995
- State Legislator, 1996 - 2004
- US Senator, 2004 - 2006
- Running for president, 2006 - Present.
No executive experience whatsoever.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
I would assert that he
September 8, 2008 - 08:31 ET by PeskyDaneI would assert that he started his presidential run as soon as he was elected to the senate.
Where do I make the case for Obama?
September 8, 2008 - 08:35 ET by PopularTechYes I have held an executive position and do. Running a small city (pop: 6715) and one of the smallest states (pop: 670,053) which equals 0.002% of the total U.S. population, despite you propaganda using land mass. Palins pathetic "executive experience" is meaningless, dozens of mayors are more qualified.
Obama's limited experience does not automatically make Palin's limited experience "ok".
LOL
September 8, 2008 - 09:07 ET by True_SoldierAnd Obama has ran a campaign of less than 25,000. Yep the numbers really prove your point.
/sarcasm off
Now if you want to talk about unqualified in real terms how about we talk about Obama's Racist preacher who "mentored" him for 20 years, or his working association with William Ayers (an unrepentent domestic terrorist) or the fact that Obama has had to get rid of a couple of foreign advisors who may have ties to Hamas and then there is my favorite one of all. When he gave his speech about what to do with the Georgian Crisis he said that the situation should be referred to the UN Security Council for action to be taken. Of course he forgets that Russia has a veto as a permanent member of the coucil and would use it to ensure that no action was taken against Russia. He even now admits that the Bush Tax Cuts have helped the economy not hurt it as he previously claimed. So there are just some of the reaosns to not vote for Obama and there are many more out there.
Obama represents 12,831,970 people
September 8, 2008 - 09:12 ET by PopularTechThe numbers do prove my point:
- U.S. Senator, Illinois, 2005-present (pop: 12,831,970)
Total Career Political Votes: 21,962,102
Yes I am well aware of Obama's problems which has nothing to do with my point.
Are you asserting
September 8, 2008 - 10:13 ET by JPR1that the number of votes a leader has received should be used as a measure of their effectiveness?
Seriously, this would make President Bush (a man currently reviled by what, 30-40 % of the electorate) one of the greatest leaders ever.
Accomplishments are tough decisions made that have favorable effects on the wellbeing of the people represented.
Barack Obama has few if any of those to his credit. The man is fundamentally a socialist and Socialism has had no beneficial role in making this country what it is.
Sara Palin has done more and brings a far more pragmatic approach into play. Belittle her all you like, she has a distinct record of achivement due primarily to her efforts and abilities. Obama has had the skids greased all the way and still has little to show.
No electability
September 8, 2008 - 19:13 ET by PopularTechVotes directly relates to electability. Palin has done next to nothing. Unless of course you consider these accomplishments:
'Commander' Palin and the Alaska National Guard' (Anchorage Daily News)
Palin education took her to five colleges (Anchorage Daily News)
Palin's pork requests confound reformer image (Anchorage Daily News)
Palin pressured Wasilla librarian during first term (Anchorage Daily News)
Palin says daughter, 17, is pregnant (Anchorage Daily News)
Palin staff pushed to have trooper fired (Anchorage Daily News)
Palin touts stance on 'Bridge to Nowhere,' doesn't note flip-flop (Anchorage Daily News)
Same-sex benefits ban gets Palin veto (Anchorage Daily News)
Poop Deck dances around
September 8, 2008 - 19:59 ET by sick_puppyPoop Deck dances around and changes the argument, executive experience now equals,,,,, Obama, Total Career Political Votes: 21,962,102
Sweet, desperate but sweet.
Barry should have studied Murphy’s Laws of Combat. Sin Loy.
If you can't remember . . . the claymore is probably pointed at you. Murphy’s Laws of Combat
He doesn't realize that we already knew about these silly things
September 8, 2008 - 21:21 ET by Dee Bunkhe touts all the time before he did and WE DON'T CARE.
The national Guard thing as been debunked already by a commander in the National guard. She had to command them just recently to LA for the Hurricane. She also took great interest in what her troops were doing in the middle east and visited them before Obama did.
The education is a non issue also for anyone who has been in the real world and seen that the college people go to may get them their first good job, but people who couldn't afford Ivy leagues rise above many who did based on what they actually do. Sarah went to various different colleges because her parents couldn't afford to send her. She had the opportunity to go to Hawaii for a semester and took it and had to take brakes after that to raise money.
The Library thing has been clearly debunked too - she never banned any books. She did remove a lot of the old guard in her city so she could bring in reforms. Nothing sinister about that. She had the right to do it, she didn't make it personal and I sure hope her and McCain do the same thing by getting rid of all the attorneys and other positions right away so the media can't spin it as some sinister thing like they did with Bush when he waited.
The rest of his links are pure one sided silliness that we don't care about. She cut spending, cut her salary, got rid of extravagances and put the checkbook online for everyone to see.
I don't know anyone who is for a government ban on same sex benefits. If companies want to offer it to their employees that is their business not the governments. That has nothing to do with Gay marriage.
All his points are so silly that he can't even explain them - he can only cut and paste links with the leftist bias that Newsbusters debunks all the time.
A tale of two politicians
September 8, 2008 - 21:29 ET by UnsaneAs I have repeatedly said: Palin actually visited her troops in the AOR as the CinC of the AK NG, whereas Obama was dragged there kicking and screaming.
(Not that I didn't like your post; I just wanted to put that out there much as you have.)
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
ELECTABILITY !!!
September 8, 2008 - 22:26 ET by JPR1What choo talkin' about Willis? You're dodging my question and it has been posed several times in other comments below.
You've been hammering this womans "qualifications" for seven days straight and now you're talking about "electability".
For someone with executive experience your reasoning appears a bit thin. Would you structure an argument presented to a board of directors in the same manner?
And, if electability is the topic, Palins selection seems to have done good things for McCain.
edit: pardon me, it's only been four days, seems like a week.
More snobbery
September 8, 2008 - 09:17 ET by UnsaneYet another example of extreme, total snobbery.
During this decade, Wasilla has exploded in terms of growth and population. It is now essentially a suburb of Anchorage. I knew people who commuted to Anchorage to Wasilla on the Glenn Highway every day.
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Now Wasilla Propaganda
September 8, 2008 - 09:27 ET by PopularTechOh please every city in my area has more than double the population of Wasilla. This is getting pathetic. The numbers don't change because you say it is now "exploding". Give me a break.
Continue the tantrum, snob
September 8, 2008 - 09:35 ET by UnsaneAnd I live in a state with the 4th, 6th, and 8th biggest cities in the country. Just up the road from me is Moscow on the Colorado, and it has a population that San Antonio had in the 1980 census, due to its growth. And your point is?
If running a small town is so easy, try it sometime.
Besides, I can't help but imagine what the elitist snobs like you would say if we ever had a candidate for high office who was at one point mayor of San Antonio. I'd imagine you'd be the very first to positively begin SCREAMING that it doesn't count because the mayor of San Antonio only makes $2600 a year!
OK. Now continue your temper tantrum in the hopes that McCain will personally kiss your ass and make Romney the VP candidate, or that Palin says "You know, I really would like to be VP, but I don't like it that PopularTech is so mad right now. I will stand aside just for him and insist Romney take my place."
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Continue the excuses Unsanitary
September 9, 2008 - 01:20 ET by PopularTechSorry but being mayor of a town of 6000 does not qualify you to be Vice President of the U.S. and I would say the same thing if someone else just as unqualified was chosen.
I will continue to point out the propaganda.
Snobbery, redundancy, tantrum, obsessive devotion
September 9, 2008 - 10:42 ET by UnsaneWhat excuses, snob?
If I wanted the PERFECT PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE (or VP candidate), I would run. I accepted this reality LONG ago. It is long past time for you to grow up and accept this.
I realize that you have an obsessive devotion to your deep, intense, passionate hatred of Sarah Palin because she isn't Mitt Romney. So here's my solution: Don't F$!%ing Vote For McCain. Just be a good little moral coward, sit at home, or vote for some flake third party candidate, and then BITCH, WHINE, CRY and SCREAM next year when you get to face two SOCIALISTS. (Just don't expect sympathy from me.)
"One thoughtless moment passes in slow motion.
As I lie down, I realize that -
all I wish, is TO GET RID, OF THIS OBSESSIVE DEVOTION!!!"
- Epica, "The Obsessive Devotion", from The Divine Conspiracy (2007)
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Please let me know when you
September 9, 2008 - 12:08 ET by Conservative VoicePlease let me know when you are running! :)
PT, The citing of the size
September 8, 2008 - 10:26 ET by Hunter12PT, The citing of the size of Alaska has bearing in dealing with the logistics of service delivery. It complicates issues when you have to deliver resources across a state twice the size of Texas, in most cases without the infrastructure in place, such as highways, to ease the process. You can't ignore emergencies as governor because only 10 people are involved. I'm not saying Palin is the most experienced mayor or governor in the country. You are postualting a strawman there. I'm saying she has executive experience. I'm saying Obama does not. Your posting of his resume proves it. I'm also saying Palin's experience translates to the office she is seeking and also to the one she might have to assume. Obama has no experience, period.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
Nice spin
September 9, 2008 - 01:16 ET by PopularTechLogistics in Alaska? Please. Interesting spin but she has very limited executive experience. Obama has just much experience as Palin, sorry to say.
Again, as I asked you the other day......
September 9, 2008 - 02:56 ET by old croSTFU, please. You are just like a troll hijacking the thread from valid points to your insiped ramblings about experience. I come here to read and learn, not listen to someone with only one song keep playing and playing and playing it over and over and over and over..........
PT, give it a break
September 8, 2008 - 08:25 ET by larry on LIis there anything that you like that ends with a [r]. if so what is it?
No, an unqualified person
September 8, 2008 - 08:30 ET by PeskyDaneNo, an unqualified person would be one who has kept themselves out of the arena. This woman has been in municipal and state government for 12 years. You may sniff at the scale, and that's your perogative, but it does not make her unqualified. People have sought national office with less than what she brings to the table.
A 98 mph fast ball is just as fast whether thrown in a 3000 seat ball park or thrown in a 60,000 seat stadium. (Give me a minute while I pat myself on the back for that one, hee, hee).
As they say in the securities industry, past performance is not a guarnetee of future results. She may rise to the ocassion, or not. Speaking as a registered independent, I am far more comfortable with the Republican Ticket than I am with the Legal Scholar/Community Organizer being led around by the nose by a Senator who has been around far too long.
This is not a sporting event
September 8, 2008 - 08:39 ET by PopularTech12 years running NYC and Wasilla are two different things. It damn sure makes her unqualified.
Your sports analogy makes no sense, since this has nothing to do with sports.
This is not the securities industry either. Go apply for a job and put your baseball and security industry comment on your resume, see if it helps.
I really don't care who you are more comfortable with, it has nothing to do with if she is qualified for the job or was the most qualified candidate.
Pesky, your fastball
September 8, 2008 - 08:47 ET by dvdaughtryPesky, your fastball analogy makes perfect sense.
Good stuff is good stuff, whether you are in the Triple A, or in the Show.
Palin has good stuff, even if she is in the "minors". It's time for a promotion to the Big Leagues.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Appreciated.
September 8, 2008 - 09:07 ET by PeskyDaneAppreciated. I do think she has shown the potential to be "moved up." Of course that's for the voters to ultimately decide. :-)
Running the most powerful country is like throwing a fast ball?
September 8, 2008 - 09:15 ET by PopularTechIf only I could lose all logic like this.
TechieBoy...
September 8, 2008 - 09:23 ET by neighbYou can't!!!!! And it's because,
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE A RATIONAL, LOGICAL THINKER.....AND A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT.
Lesson in life
September 8, 2008 - 09:34 ET by PopularTechEveryone that disagrees with you is not always a liberal democrat.
Not exactly. It's more
September 8, 2008 - 09:26 ET by dvdaughtryNot exactly.
It's more like some (she) can throw one and some (the left) can't.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
The metaphor of municipal
September 8, 2008 - 09:22 ET by PeskyDaneThe metaphor of municipal and state office (particularly states with small populations) being "the minors" of politics has been used so much its a cliche at this point. You're reaching when you try to say it makes no sense.
As a former CFO and a logistician, not to mention a field grade officer, let me educate you on promotions: moving up is based on potential demonstrated. This works in both in the public and private sector (ok, possible exception noted for Cook County, Ill). If you truly don't think she has demonstrated the potential to handle larger responsibilities based on what she has accomplished so far, that is your opinion, and we will just have to agree to dissagree.
Now here is where you hit an interesing point: was she the best posible candidate? That opens up quite a jar of preserves. What is the criteria and what matters to you? You have experiance, but then you branch out to different kinds of experiance. The list is endless - leadership, municipal, state, military, business, etc. Then there is electability, and there's the ability to articulate a particular message.
Seriously, have you ever had to hire or fire anyone? I can tell you neither one is a lock, and you always wonder if you should have hired person B or if you should have given person C one more chance.
One more thought - upon reflection, you are correct. I don't know who you are and my "yes you do" comment was out of line. Apologies. Goes to show that the viseral reaction is not always the right one.
Please, enough with the BS
September 8, 2008 - 09:23 ET by PopularTechNo need to educate me on promotions, I am well aware of how poorly many companies are run, but this has nothing to do with job requirements. I would love to see some of your job listings and what is required and then try to BS me that you hire people who do not remotely meet these requirements.
She was not the most qualified pick and merely picked because of her gender.
No she has not demostrated the potential to be Vice President of the United States. She has not even proven herself as governor.
Yes I have hired and fired people. The firings I did were from someone else's hirings BTW. I have had some excellent people leave for better opportunities though.
Cool, eh??!!
September 8, 2008 - 09:33 ET by neighb....."She was not the most qualified pick and merely picked because of her gender."
....And you lefties are absolutely going BONKERS over this fact!!!!!!
You had your chance with Shillary, but Oblahma didn't want to get outshined by a woman. Well, guess what!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you knee-jerk respond to every post?
September 8, 2008 - 09:36 ET by PopularTechGuess what I am not a lefty!!! Ooooh shock, shock. Now try to stop making assumptions. You almost had me though!!! Har, har...
LMAO.
Maybe....
September 8, 2008 - 09:41 ET by neighbTechieBoy...
Well, maybe you SHOULD be a leftie. You obviously would be much happier.....
neighb
September 8, 2008 - 09:37 ET by Cool ArrowPT ain't no lefty, he's just a naysayer.
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
No need to educate me on
September 8, 2008 - 09:41 ET by PeskyDaneNo need to educate me on promotions.
You apparently need to be educated on a whole range of issues.
I've tried to dialogue with you, you have simply lost any capacity for reason. We're done for today.
Still waiting on all those people you hired
September 8, 2008 - 09:45 ET by PopularTechWho did not remotely meet your job requirements.
The Temper Tantrum Knows No End
September 8, 2008 - 09:12 ET by UnsaneHow many homes have you destroyed with this temper tantrum of yours?
"WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! I WANT ROMNEY!!! I WANT ROMNEY!!! I WANT ROMNEY!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Faker
September 8, 2008 - 09:30 ET by Sergeant ROCKI don't believe he was a Romney supporter. A rational person would acknowledge that while Palin is not as qualified as Romney, she's still a decent pick and it appears that she may have a broader appeal than Romney.
I base this observation on the examples made by NB of these so-called Republicans being displayed by the MSM because of their discontent with the GOP that turn out to be frauds.
PALIN/McCain 2008
Sarge....
September 8, 2008 - 09:37 ET by neighbAnd one more thing....
....Maybe Smooth Sarah is actually MORE qualified than Romney...because she is ELECTABLE!! Nothing better than a candidate that actually has the ability to get more votes than the opposition!!
McCain/Palin '08
More votes? Really?
September 8, 2008 - 09:44 ET by PopularTechReally?
Sarah Palin:
Total Career Political Votes: 188,125
Mitt Romney:
Total Career Political Votes: 6,839,107
Joe Biden:
Total Career Political Votes: 929,170
John McCain:
Total Career Political Votes: 20,431,543
Barack Obama:
Total Career Political Votes: 21,962,102
Do the math.
Ohhh, not the facts...
September 8, 2008 - 10:09 ET byPopTech,
They don't like facts. When they hear Sarah's voice, they get a tingle and all sorts of goosebumps. It's as if she's a messiah or something. Oops, Obamy has got that moniker...How about the Virgin Mary?...Oops, she ain't no Virgin Mary...too many kids and to many of us think she's hot...hmmmm...anyone...?
McCain/Palin '08...A hero's wrong decision at the wrong time.
Uberman
The Socialist is back
September 8, 2008 - 15:17 ET by UnsaneIf only you poured as much effort into actually being smart instead of being a smartass. (Which also shows me that you are intellectually bankrupt and bereft of ideas.)
Speaking of not liking facts, here are some facts YOU don't like: you are a Socialist, a hate-filled elitist snob with extreme contempt for his fellow man, and a misogynist.
If I Wanted The Perfect Presidential (or VP) Candidate, I Would Run For Office.
McCain and Palin are not perfect, but they are above and beyond the Socialists that you prefer.
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
TechieBoy...
September 8, 2008 - 10:13 ET by neighbMcCain/Palin votes, November 4, 2008
70,000,000!!!!!!
If # of votes,
September 8, 2008 - 15:29 ET by HillbillyKingqualifies as experience, there is only ONE viable candidate for President;
Al Gore
He surpassed the total votes for all those above combined in the 2000 election alone.
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
neighb
September 8, 2008 - 09:50 ET by Sergeant ROCKYeah, perhaps. But I hate seeing how elections have devolved into a popularity contest. There's probably been more than a few qualified candidates in elections past that were overlooked by voters because they were led to believe that they 'couldn't win'. By the MSM in large part.
Romney wins the experience contest hands-down versus Palin. And, to me, is very electable. However, Palin is the lipstick to McCain's pig. Had he picked a 'Lieberman' (in effect, trying to out-liberal liberals), I can guarantee you I would've marched down the nearest GOP headquarters and over-turned a few tables after tearing-up my voter's registration card. THAT.. would've been too much for me.
PALIN/McCain 2008
Sarge, sometimes I think we
September 8, 2008 - 12:17 ET by PeskyDaneSarge, sometimes I think we give ourselves too much credit. I know we all want to be above such pedestrian considerations, but isn't every election from clas prez to POTUS, from the founding of the republic, a popularity contest?
Easier to believe lies
September 8, 2008 - 09:40 ET by PopularTechOf course I supported Romney and would have supported any qualified pick. Any rational person who has any integrity remotely related to my standards would be saying what I am saying. Sorry if I have failed to join the collective.
Though it is easier to believe the lies.
Oh, the drama
September 8, 2008 - 10:38 ET by HumblepieI use to be the president of a non-profit organization that supported the enlisted troops. Does that make me a community organizer? At the same time, part of my job in the Air Force was to help develop a target list. This is a list of targets that we'll attack according to their priority. Does this qualify as setting foreign policy?
According to the Constitution, the only requirements are: natural born US citizen, 35 years of age, and lived in the US for at least 14 years. Period.
I believe Gov. Palin is a great choice. She brings new life to a political system infected with the old DC or Chicago style of politics.
I must say that everyday I chuckle to myself. Everyone wants to compare Obama's experience to Gov. Palin. Hello, McFly.... She is not running for president, he is. As a VP, you have the chance to learn the nuances of foreign policy, the inner working of the executive branch. As president, you are expected to fill the position of leadership and run with it. There is no grace period or learning curve.
To post list to suggest that because someone sits on more committees, or elected to the legislative branch is somehow more qualified is wrong. The real test is what they did while employed in these position. Did they actually work for the betterment of mankind or continue to hit a button saying they were "present." Who's record can be easily defended?
As I have told others. I don't care who your voting for. In the same breath, don't tell me my choice is stupid just because she lacks the "so call" experience.
Quick! The gene pool needs more chlorine.
unsane -- sure, it's
September 8, 2008 - 10:53 ET by Jack Bauerunsane -- sure, it's childish beyond belief. I cannot fathom this method of arguing your case.
Look to the polls today and tomorrow. Does anyone seriously think McCain's huge jump-start BOUNCE isn't all down to Palin?
Romney will be offered a cabinet spot as he's been a hyper-loyal soldier since he lost.
And having heard Giuliani on Wednesday... I hope he's Secretary of State, and goes with the attitude which told that Shiek were to stick his millions after 9/11.
Doers anyone think anyone would be fiercer or more articulate in defending US interests abroad? Especially in that vipers' nest known as the UN.
The Democrat alternative is too frightening to even contemplate.
Huh????
September 8, 2008 - 15:19 ET by Unsane?????????????????????
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Wrong
September 8, 2008 - 10:26 ET by Mr. BishopCompared to Obama, she has more political experience. Simply being elected doesn't do a damned thing. You have to act when you are in an elected position. This is something Obama has never done. Not on the state level, not on the national level. This is illustrated most especially by his comments concerning him being on the election trail for the past 19 months. Let's break that down for you. He was elected to the US Senate in 2006. He didn't take office until 2007, January 3. If Obama states that he has been campaigning for 19 months, that means he was actually in his Senate office, or in the chambers voting "Present" (since that is his history of voting), only 2 months? Prior to that, he was in the Illinois Senate from 1996-2004, a total of 8 years, doing the same thing -- voting "Present" on everything.
WOW!! Talk about your overWHELMING experience! You're so incredibly right! He's qualified to be a trash collector for Chicago... that's all. So far, all you have done by posting this resume, in addition to Obama's elsewhere, is that Obama joined the Senate to get a foothold in the door to try and run for President -- nothing more.
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If homosexuality is genetic, then it must be a birth defect. If it is a birth defect, then stem cell research might provide a cure.
Cut 'n paste...
September 8, 2008 - 11:05 ET by ontherightCut 'n paste, cut 'n paste, cut 'n paste...
The definition of insanity - saying or doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
Liberal mantra = insanity.
Your case has failed
September 8, 2008 - 11:34 ET by CobraMan"I've made the case that she is unqualified..."
And your case has failed, miserably.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Qualifications
September 8, 2008 - 13:09 ET by Kevin D. BakkoI very much appreciate you posting Governor Palin's qualifications for Vice President.
Would you be so kind as to post Senator Obama's qualifications for President. I've Google'd and Yahoo'd until my fingers bled; I've asked hundreds, make that, thousands of people for information in this area, and no one can seem to articulate what his qualifications for President might be.
Perhaps you can enlighten the rest of us.
Kevin D. Bakko
Is she a mother herself?
September 8, 2008 - 06:33 ET by Warner Todd HustonIs this Warner ninny a Mother herself? If so, one wonders how her children are doing growing up in a house so filled with hatred? These kids will be seething cauldrons before long, wouldn't you imagine?
Doh!
September 8, 2008 - 07:10 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsI think what these eliteist types do is hand the baby off to a nanny (probably an illegal) at birth and say, 'See you in 20 years.' That accounts for their wonderful personalities.
D
Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.
So, yer sayin' her kids went
September 8, 2008 - 07:19 ET by Warner Todd HustonSo, yer sayin' her kids went from a ninnie to a nanny?
WTH!
September 8, 2008 - 21:18 ET by RukusIf anything deserves a "snicker!", that does! And a "heehee!" too!
"Nuke 'em 'til they... oh hell, just shoot 'em!"
I think, they find her
September 8, 2008 - 06:42 ET by NewsbusterbrownI think, they find her acceptably “real,” because Palin’s not intimidating, and makes it clear that she’s subordinate to a great man.
What does that mean? Isn't Biden also subordinate to Obama?
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
Compassionate liberalism
September 8, 2008 - 06:46 ET by Sergeant ROCKYou get a lump in your throat when you see such examples of this, don't you?
Elitism is what it is. And these people are so delusional they don't even recognize the fact.
PALIN/McCain 2008
Jealous?
September 8, 2008 - 06:54 ET by Mica the MagnificentSeems to me Ms. Warner is a little jealous that Sarah got to speak to millions of people, while she probably can't get more than 6 people to attend her 'book readings' at the local Barnes and Noble.
I also see a little jealously concerning the beauty contest thing.
Poor Judith, always an observer, never a contestant.
"there was something more
September 8, 2008 - 08:44 ET by kg"there was something more nauseating than the nomination of Sarah Palin"
What is really nauseating is that there is actually someone paying Warner good money to irritate people and instigate as well as promote hate.
"Forget change, I want improvement!"
Children
September 8, 2008 - 06:54 ET by rick007All you have to do to find out how liberals raise their children is to look at the lefties in Hollywood and Cal.
Porn queens, weekly marriges and drugs.
And the MSM holds them to high esteam.
Talk about trash. Lefties just have to look in the mirror.
Teen pregnancy?
September 8, 2008 - 07:13 ET by PopularTechLooks like so called "conservatives" don't know how to raise their children.
Oh, poptech, you're so silly
September 8, 2008 - 07:17 ET by Mica the Magnificentand one big yawwwwwn.
Teen Pregnancy is silly?
September 8, 2008 - 07:23 ET by PopularTechI had no idea that her failures as a mother and the ignorance of her daughter were silly?
Palin says daughter, 17, is pregnant (Anchorage Daily News)
Maybe we can adopt progressive principals too?
Out of material, Poptech?
September 8, 2008 - 07:25 ET by Mica the MagnificentYawwwwn #3.
'Commander' Palin
September 8, 2008 - 07:27 ET by PopularTechI'm never out of material...
'Commander' Palin and the Alaska National Guard' (Anchorage Daily News)
Wellllll....actually....
September 8, 2008 - 09:46 ET by neighb....meant to say, "GOOD" material....
Take a valium, TechieBoy.
Palin, the logical choice
September 8, 2008 - 11:48 ET by CobraMan"I'm never out of material..."
True, but you are out of logic. Sarah Palin is a logical choice for VP. Just the fact that the Dems, and you, are so surprised by her nomination proves that they, and you, are truly unprepared for the unexpected. You've spent the last 10 days trying to convince us how poor a choice Palin is, but all you've succeeded in doing is pointing out just how much you can't seem to make a difference, in anything. Palin is the VP choice for the Republicans, so i suggest hat you get use to it.
I don't know why she bothers you so much anyways; you've already told us you're voting the Libertarian ticket. Are you SO afraid of her that you have to attempt to disqualify her every time you post? It seems to me that YOUR candidate, Barr, is the weakest candidate here, not McCain and Palin, or even Obama and Biden for that matter. You’ve picked a real looser while the Republicans have pick a real winner. I think that bothers you SO much that you feel the need to belittle Sarah for her accomplishments in order to justify the impotence you feel over your own candidate.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Poptart the abortion lover
September 8, 2008 - 07:30 ET by Dee Bunklecturing us - it's really hysterical actually - he's so immature and desperate
Dee Liar
September 8, 2008 - 07:31 ET by PopularTechI don't love abortion.
Yeah, you do.
September 8, 2008 - 07:34 ET by PeskyDaneYeah... you do.
PeskyLiar
September 8, 2008 - 07:37 ET by PopularTechHey look if you are going to post something, try making sure it is not a lie. Here for you...
PeskyDane loves to have sex with Dogs. Yes you do.
TRUCE
September 8, 2008 - 07:39 ET by Mark FinkelsteinNotice to all: please cease and desist from the personal insults. Now.
Mark
We're not the ones making
September 8, 2008 - 07:42 ET by FoolicanWe're not the ones making personal insults. PopTech, on the other hand, has called Sarah's daughter a "whore" and a "slut". I even sent the chat log to Matthew Sheffield.
Really?
September 8, 2008 - 07:47 ET by PopularTechTry reading the comments here in response to mine. Make sure he reads where they said I sleep with my mom too.
That one PT
September 8, 2008 - 07:53 ET by Cool ArrowI wasn't aware of that one. I hope you know I'll argue for free, but there are some limits up with which one must not put.
But you gotta admit, the Xerox comment was funny.
Uhhh, My Christian Faith
They are not obeying the TRUCE
September 8, 2008 - 07:50 ET by PopularTechNotice the Poptart, PopularTroll....
*** sniff! ***
September 8, 2008 - 07:53 ET by Sergeant ROCK*** sniff! ***
Be nice to Popular Tech...
September 8, 2008 - 12:34 ET by cest moi...after all, his guy, gal, or farm animal wasn't picked for veep.
I'm sorry for my part Mark - but someone needs to do something
September 8, 2008 - 08:00 ET by Dee BunkPoptech is spamming threads constantly with the same cut and paste jobs and he has been throwing around personal insults like crazy to anyone who supports Palin and nothing is being done about it.
We are all frustrated beyond belief with his immaturity and many of us can't understand why it's being allowed to continue for so long. Still I will try to not lower myself to his level anymore.
The perpetual lie
September 8, 2008 - 08:09 ET by PopularTechI am doing nothing of the sort. You have instead tried to fabricate this propaganda. What would you like done? Have me banned for not agreeing with you? It is you who constantly personally insults me.
Maybe everyone that posts here should all have to agree with you or not be allowed to post.
No - I want all your cut and paste jobs deleted
September 8, 2008 - 08:21 ET by Dee Bunkquit lying - everyone sees your same stuff over and over and you think denying it will make people believe you? Everyone is also well aware of all your name calling.
Of course you want censorship about Palin
September 8, 2008 - 08:47 ET by PopularTechYou want all facts regarding Palin deleted. How else can you continue the propaganda if someone can provide the facts against it. The only person starting the name calling here appear to be you.
pop tech,
September 8, 2008 - 08:58 ET by AgnosticYou have put out good facts and some opinions worthy of contemplaton (there is also the report that as mayor she left office with $22mil debt after entering with a balanced budget that probably should be investigated as well). However, after all your points to her lack of qualifications you don't seem to be able to accept that maybe it was trade off. Senator McCain possibly felt comfortable enough with his own qualifications and experiences to sacrifice those qualities in a running mate if that person could help him with his weaknesses. His most glaring weaknesses are appeal to the conservative base, energy and charisma. With Governor Palin he received a heavy dose of those three qualities.
It is fair to question her qualifications but you must allow that McCain had specific reasons for his choice that may of had nothing to do with your expectations.
I am well aware of why he chose her...
September 8, 2008 - 09:32 ET by PopularTech...she was female.
and ProLife to the extreme.
September 8, 2008 - 10:48 ET byPopTech,
She is the social conservative's pick. McCain needs their votes. After he gains the White House, he'll have no need for her.
On second thought, Go McCain/Palin!
Ubercon
pt,
September 9, 2008 - 05:49 ET by AgnosticBeing female was most likely part of the decision but if you think that was all then you are believing that McCain believed any female would get the 'Clinton Votes'. This is not the case. The women voters and especially those voting for Clinton that won't vote for Obama would needed a woman who represented strength. In this case it wasn't strength of resume but strength of personality. The truth is that while hopelessly lacking qualifications, just like McCain and Biden (no executive experience and isolated beltway politicians) or Obama (no executive experience and remaining resume is titles without substance or accomplishments) she brought more to the ticket than any of the more qualified people could have done in terms of electability. Asked if this is the right way to elect a leader; I would have to say no. But given the electable choices in today's political atmosphere I believe she was a good choice to win the election but hopefully she will learn enough to be good choice to be a leader at the national level.
Daily Koz Poster
September 8, 2008 - 08:59 ET by Sergeant ROCKHA! HA! HA!
Yeah, if it weren't for you posting on NB noone would know anything about Palin - good or bad!
You are really full of yourself, aren't you?
PALIN/McCain 2008
Okay
September 8, 2008 - 09:11 ET by Mr. BishopFacts... simply being facts allow for the posting of "information", is that correct? Facts are slippery things, since a fact is not true by its very definition. While many perceive facts as being undeniable truths, the little known "fact" of the matter, is that facts can be false. Calling Sarah Palin's daughter a whore is a "fact". It just so happens that it is false is all. It's your perception of a truth that makes it a "fact" or not.
The problem is... you can spew it all you want, it doesn't make you right or truthful.
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If homosexuality is genetic, then it must be a birth defect. If it is a birth defect, then stem cell research might provide a cure.
Bristol is pregnant.
September 8, 2008 - 11:06 ET byMr.Bishop,
That is a fact. A true fact. A scientific fact. How should we judge this fact? Who are we to judge? We can voice our opinions...then you can judge them to be true or false according to your views of the world in which you live. Perception is reality? Bristol should have had a better education on why young women shouldn't have unprotected sex. The fault does not lie with the child but with the parents..that's a fact.
Ubercon
Abolish the juvenile justice system?
September 8, 2008 - 12:00 ET by KarmaUbercon,
Do you support the prosecution of the parents of all juveniles who commit crimes? Afterall, those parents abviously failed to educate thier children on what is legal or not.
Depends on the crime and the State statutes...
September 8, 2008 - 12:32 ET byKarma,
Property crimes, yes, the parents should pay.
Crimes causing physical harm, no to incarceration of the parents, yes to the incarceration of the child. Here's a thought...Maybe the parents should pay the state for their child's incarceration.
The only problem I see is the inability to collect from lower income families. Maybe have a sliding scale of proportionality adjusted every year on the income of the parents. Cuz when they collect their lottery winnings the state should receive mo'money!
Ubercon
Why the exception?
September 8, 2008 - 12:42 ET by KarmaWhy shouldn't you incarcerate the parents for the crime of the child? Isn't it the parents fault for not educating their children properly?
Don't use logic
September 8, 2008 - 12:46 ET by HumblepieYour using logic Karma
According to some of these post, the parents are only at fault if their kids get pregnant.
Quick! The gene pool needs more chlorine.
Bristol should have had a
September 8, 2008 - 13:10 ET by dvdaughtryBristol should have had a better education on why young women shouldn't have unprotected sex. The fault does not lie with the child but with the parents
I bet a C-Note she was instructed not to have ANY sex.
Any takers?
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Sure, however...
September 9, 2008 - 12:39 ET by Mr. BishopAs I noted previously... there are false facts. In your case, your last sentence was a fact which was utterly false. You cannot blame a parent for the actions of a 17-year old, neither can you give parents the accolades if the same child makes the correct decision(s). If a parent continually informs their child that premarital sex is bad for you, it's a risk, and even worse, unprotected sex is very problematic, is this bad parenting? No, we assume it great parenting, especially if the child follows the directives of the parent.
However, if the child decides to not follow the directives of the parent because of their associations with friends and the like, we label the parents as failures?
No -- in both cases. What makes the parent a success has nothing to do with what the child ultimately decides, unless it's the parent making the decisions for them at all times. What makes them a success is the teaching of a child right from wrong, and the ability for a child to live with, and deal with, the consequences of their actions. Teaching a child that they can simply abort a child for screwing around, is bad parenting. It doesn't teach the child to take responsibility for their actions. Instead, it teaches the child they can do what they want, with no consequences whatsoever. Sarah Palin's daughter getting married to the father of her child, and attempting to make a life with the two of them -- that is good parenting reflected in the child's decision. She takes responsibility for her adult decisions previously made. That is how you determine if a parent had a good influence on their children -- how they react to their mistakes. Make no mistake -- having sex before one is married is a mistake. How one deals with the evidence of said sexual visitation -- that is how you decide whether a parent has done a good job raising a child.
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If homosexuality is genetic, then it must be a birth defect. If it is a birth defect, then stem cell research might provide a cure.
Be honest with yourself
September 8, 2008 - 11:56 ET by CobraMan"I am doing nothing of the sort."
Be honest with yourself, that's exactly what you ARE doing, and on a daily basis. How many times have you posted your faux Palin resume, and in how many threads, since the day after her candidacy was announced? You have attempted to belittle and demean anyone who disagrees with you. In fact, you are acting just like the whiny liberals at the Daily Kos and Democratic Underground.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Cobra...
September 8, 2008 - 12:07 ET by Clear thinkerI am forced to agree with you. It's as if the Gov. Palin selection flipped a switch in him. Personally, I just don't get it!
Increasing Hate For Palin
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
PeskyDane- he lectures us on how stupid we are for caring
September 8, 2008 - 07:45 ET by Dee Bunkabout abortion and he ridicules Sarah and Bristol for keeping their babies, he knows nothing about birth control (no method is 100%), and he knows nothing about being a parent (all children make mistakes). He's one ignorant poptart.
Fabricated Propaganda
September 8, 2008 - 07:49 ET by PopularTechI have never suggested anyone have an abortion but your lies and propaganda never cease. Oh and I have children but your failure to win one point without inventing propaganda out of thin air never ceases to amaze me.
If Bristol is not going to abide by her parents wishes...
September 8, 2008 - 11:20 ET byDee,
...she should have an education on the use contraceptives before having sex. Did her parents put her at risk for contracting a venereal disease or worse death by complications of having a child by not properly educating her? It's an obvious fact abstinence failed in this case.
Ubercon
Please prove your idea
September 8, 2008 - 11:24 ET by Humblepie" ...she should have an education on the use contraceptives before having sex."
Could you please provide just what education her parents provided? And at what age did her education start?
Quick! The gene pool needs more chlorine.
You start with...
September 8, 2008 - 13:14 ET by...Sarah taking a banana out of the kitchen, showing Bristol a condom, rolling said condom over the banana, etc. (sarc on) Was this done? Ask Sarah...
The education starts when the child hits puberty or when the child begins to question the changes that are happening to them. If you won't allow the schools to teach them then it's up to the parents to educate their children. Too scared...allow your medical professional to explain it to them. Or just tell them God will send them to the fires of hell for eternity if they touch themselves or others. They must wait until they're married and even then you are only allowed to use the equipment to procreate more children!(sarc on)
Ubercon
No, I asked you
September 8, 2008 - 13:35 ET by HumblepieYou are the one posting that it's the parents fault and they should of taught her. My question is a valid one which you have failed to answer. Since you can not tell me how much education she was provided you can not tell others it is the parents fault. If your argument rest on the lack of education provided, you failed to prove your point. Did you not? If you disagree, please provide a detail list of the education she was provided by her parents and when. It's time to put up or shut up.
Quick! The gene pool needs more chlorine.
Gubercon
September 8, 2008 - 13:16 ET by dvdaughtryAs stated above, I will bet $100 she was eductated on the ONLY, AND I REPEAT ONLY, method guaranteed to not contract any disease or become pregnant...
...ABSTINENCE!
This arrogance of condeming Palin for poor parenting is completly obnoxious.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Please send my winnings to Bristol and her baby.
September 8, 2008 - 13:38 ET bydvd,
With all due respect, if she was only educated on abstinence, she failed the class by not passing the test. This could be due to a number of factors- falling asleep in class, absent for the part on the definition of abstinence, a lack of choices from her parents,etc.
Yeah, poor parenting is a judgment call. In my opinion, she was let down by her parents and their lack of supervision over their daughter's well being.The obnoxiousness is to think abstinence will be followed by young adults and adolescents.
The obnoxiousness is to
September 8, 2008 - 13:52 ET by dvdaughtryThe obnoxiousness is to think abstinence will be followed by young adults and adolescents.
Your pathetic to think that is obnoxious.
When are we going to start handing out needles with the condoms? They are just kids and won't be able to help themselves, right? We don't want them to use dirty needles.
I've put $h!t in the toilet with more credibility than liberals.
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I am not sure what you think you won. The girl was certainly taught all she needed to know.
And we agree she failed the test. Her consequence is hers to bear, but life will go on.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
One hundred Franklins!
September 8, 2008 - 14:31 ET bydvd,
You wanted to bet with a losing statement...
"I will bet $100 she was eductated on the ONLY, AND I REPEAT ONLY,
method guaranteed to not contract any disease or become pregnant...abstinence!"
She is P-R-E-G-N-A-N-T from her assumed education in your statement.
Please send her the $100.
If you give it to me, I'll just spend it on cheap booze and loose women!(sarc on) Of course, I'll use precautions not to get a disease or acquire a "mistake". Choices, choices!
I would have bet you a million bucks she would have had a better chance of not being pregnant if she had a few more choices...we'll find out if it was her choice to have the pregnancy when her book comes out in the next 20 years or so.
Ubercon
Still dont know what you
September 8, 2008 - 14:38 ET by dvdaughtryStill dont know what you won. Abstinence works every time.
Don't have sex, won't get pregnant, won't get STD's, you won't even have an abortion, if you don't have sex.
There is no arguing around this one, pathic liberal.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Realist conservative with pragmatic solutions.
September 8, 2008 - 14:50 ET byAbstinence does not work for Bristol and so many other pregnant children in this world. What's pathetic is not understanding the problem and the solutions to thwart unwanted pregnancies and the spread of disease in the world. If you truly want less abortions and disease, you would support contraceptive use and sexual education for young adults. That's the type of education Bristol needed.
Ubercon
Ubercon...
September 8, 2008 - 14:55 ET by Clear thinkerWhy does everyone assume that protection was NOT used? Even protection can fail.
Increasing Hate For Palin
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
We are not allowed to talk to Bristol.
September 8, 2008 - 15:08 ET byClearThinker,
Unless the video can be obtained...(sarc on)
Ubercon
WE? Is there a frog in your pocket
September 8, 2008 - 15:13 ET by HumblepieSo now you (and who else) want to talk to Bristol. Okay, as soon as the Obama girls can talk to "us." Wouldn't it be interesting to find out what they learned from Mommy and Daddy... along with the Rev. Wright.
Quick! The gene pool needs more chlorine.
derailing the discussion...
September 8, 2008 - 15:29 ET byEventually, she will be heard whether her parents want her to or not. She already changed her life against her parents wishes. She's a grown-up now and a mother to be. If I were Sarah, she should give Bristol everything she needs or else the truth comes out...(sarc on).
Kids can say the darnedest things!
Ubercon
CT
September 8, 2008 - 15:26 ET by shawn228I would assume that protection was not used since protection is usually 98 percent effective.
Also, the GOP convention has passed, have you made up your mind if you want to stay with the Republican party yet?
Real life video games are cool
You would be dead wrong to make such an assumption Shawn
September 9, 2008 - 09:18 ET by Dee BunkI got pregnant using 98% effective birth control and I've known many others who have also. When I was in high school, most of the girls I knew that got pregnant, got pregnant using birth control. Unfortunately many of those had abortions. They were lulled into false beliefs twice. The first false belief was that 98% effective thing and the second one was that abortion was an acceptable alternative. The only reliable method is abstinence. I'm not against teaching birth control but it needs to be driven home that pregnancy still happens (a lot!) and abortion is a bad choice that will haunt many of those kids who make the uninformed choice.
You people are clueless about birth control. It's only 98% effective if it's used without any mistakes (not forgetting a pill by a few hours or pulling out with a condom, not using expired condoms or spermicide etc..) I was a mature adult who knew the importance of following things to the tee and still got pregnant using birth control.
Teenage sex is Russian Roulette with or without birth control. The only difference is how many bullets vs how many blanks. The more often you play, the more likely you'll get that unlikely bullet whether you use birth control or not. Even though the more plays up your chances, you can be very unlucky and get pregnant with a first sexual encounter using birth control.
Abstinence does not
September 8, 2008 - 14:56 ET by SemperrightAbstinence does not work
It does every time it is used correctly.
"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference.
The MARINES don't have that problem."
President Ronald Reagan - 1985
Abstinence does work
September 8, 2008 - 14:56 ET by LionKingUmmm ... abstinence does work. Apparently despite being taught this, Bristol did NOT abstain and therefore did become pregnant.
Why did she abstain?
September 8, 2008 - 15:12 ET byLionKing,
Drunk?
Love?
The Devil made her do it?
Attention?
Hormones?
All assumptions...
One day we may learn all about it or not...
Ubercon
Hmmm...dvd...you got me thinking...
September 8, 2008 - 18:46 ET bydvd,A pregnancy and an abortion can still be done without sex or the act of fornication by way of invitro fertlization. Scientifically speaking your statement is false. Even through abstinence from sex, one could still become pregnant. Also, in some cases with invitro, reductions are made in the amount of viable embryos which are abortions. How many conservatives that you know have had invitro fertilization in order to have children?
Übercon
Words of advice
September 8, 2008 - 21:36 ET by UnsaneInstead of pouring all of your energy into being a juvenile smartass, why not try arguing ideas instead?
I forgot. You are a Socialist, so you can't.
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Actually Ubercon, we can blame people like you
September 8, 2008 - 14:19 ET by HumblepieYou state the failure is with the parents while at the same time I hear no outcry about the amount of filth our kids must endure from TV and such. What a hypocrite. Our kids are bombarded by sex on TV, sex in the movies, sex in ads. The list is endless. Even good old Billy received sex in the White House, by someone other than his wife, and we were told don't worry because a BJ is not really having sex. Parents buy their pre-teen girls clothes that are not only suggestive, but have cute little saying on the back like "Sweet." Spend a little time watching TV programs designed for teens. Even the new and "improved BH 90210 will open their first episode with a girl giving a guy a BJ while parked at high school. Buy a teen magazine and tell me what you see in the ads. You criticize the Palin's but when will you criticize the media and public.
Quick! The gene pool needs more chlorine.
I don't know...
September 8, 2008 - 14:41 ET byHumblepie,
I guess I could say the same about crime and the amount of violence in our society due to the exposure of so much violence that is witnessed in our media outlets. I think if I had a one choice between sex and violence, I would opt for supporting sexual content over violent acts. It's more enjoyable to watch a great love story with someone than it is to watch someone maim or kill others. Of course, if you disagree, I'm all ears on why you think violence trumps sex...
Ubercon
Great love story you say..
September 8, 2008 - 15:02 ET by HumblepieName the latest great love story out of Hollyweird?? They're not creative enough to come up with a story line comparable to the great love stories of the 50's. Along the same lines, a good mystery did not include the graphic implosion/explosion of a bullet entering/exiting the head. In todays world you have to show T&A and graphic details. Lets have more fun. What say we go back even further and place a large red "A" on the chest of a woman who has committed adultery. Publicly flog individuals who steal. Women having kids out of wedlock will be banished. Even a more novel idea, lets execute people for capital crimes. Wouldn't that be fun, we could empty out death row in about a week. Look how much money we can save. We can bring back the good old chain gangs. Why let them sit around doing nothing when we can get some cheap labor. I mean, it's not like they are suppose to be doing hard labor or trying to payback society for their mistakes.
Your logic continues to keep me laughing.
Quick! The gene pool needs more chlorine.
Sex or violence? Choose...
September 8, 2008 - 15:23 ET byHumblepie,
Stop waxing about the past and deflecting my statement about sex and violence. Let's start by having you choose between sex or violence in the media. Which one? Which would have a better overall effect on our society...? Is it easier to promote a loving relationship or a destructive one?
As for your comments towards the end of your diatribe, no need to get into a time machine and go backwards...go to Saudi Arabia and live it. There are plenty of countries in the world who live according to what you stated.
Ubercon
I choose neither
September 8, 2008 - 15:39 ET by HumblepieNeither has an overall "better" effect on our society. Better yet, you can't prove that either will or has. When did it become common place within our society to show sex or extreme violence?
As for Saudi Arabia, I did live there for a while. Although I do not practice the muslim faith, I did notice that the amount of crime thoughtout the country is less than any place in America. Chop chop square will teach one quickly not to repeat their actions. Maybe it's time we stop coddling convicts and start treating them like the posion to society they are. I have a cousin on Maryland's "Death Row" and when they decide to bring it back I'll be more than happy to throw the switch on him.
Quick! The gene pool needs more chlorine.
Yeah, that's what I thought you'd do...
September 8, 2008 - 16:01 ET byHumblepie,
That's funny how you make such a bold statement about sex running rampant and it's negative effect on society and then decide to say nothing when presented with the other side or flip side of the equation. Live and produce or Kill and destroy...nice job, great non-answer.
Jeez...Your cousin on "Death Row"...Who's fault? Poor upbringing by the parents, too much violence on tv, just went off the deep end, not enough family support, etc... Which one? What type of excuse did he use for his crime?
Sorry no need to answer...
Ubercon
Then why ask a stupid question
September 8, 2008 - 16:31 ET by HumblepieThere is no flip side. I do not wish for either on TV, the movies or in print. My decision is not my problem as it is yours. You think that I have to choose one or the other. I don't. So tell me why do I have to select one. Why do I need to have movies and such with gratuitous sex scenes. Then again, why do I need to see a movie where someone is having their neck sliced in graphic detail. Do you love sex and violence so much that you need your fix everyday? Maybe some movies you need to watch would be: African Queen, Harvey, Gone With the Wind, Forrest Gump.
As for my cousin, he grew up well and then moved to the big city where he fell in with a group. Back then they were call socialist, but today are call liberal Democrats.
Quick! The gene pool needs more chlorine.
Forrest & Jenny Gump...?
September 8, 2008 - 18:58 ET byhp,Didn't Jenny die of AIDS? Needle use and promiscuity ruled her life, right? Nice reference...
Your cuz probably became a born-again Christian on death row, no doubt. Those damn socialists should burn in hell... Too bad he's saved, now you're going to spend all of eternity with him.
Übercon
Another stupid comment from you
September 9, 2008 - 13:39 ET by HumblepieMy "cuz" is not born-again and still acts the fool he became. He will die in prison believing in the liberal ways.
Quick! The gene pool needs more chlorine.
Your values are not mine
September 8, 2008 - 16:38 ET by HumblepieYour values are not mine, but yet you try to force me to accept your value system when I decline. Then to suggest that since I can't accept your system that my values are wrong by stating "great non-answer." The only problem is that I did answer you. You just won't accept the answer.
Quick! The gene pool needs more chlorine.
Liberal Philosophy
September 8, 2008 - 18:19 ET by dvdaughtryJeez...Your cousin on "Death Row"...Who's fault?
This will come as a surprise for a liberal, but it's usally it's the cousin's (insert wrongdoer) fault.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
YES! POPTECH!!
September 8, 2008 - 07:33 ET by Mica the MagnificentI don't love abortion.
Ding ding ding! That's the first original thing you wrote all day.
Take a rest, stretch a little, have a cup of tea.
PopTart
September 8, 2008 - 07:35 ET by Sergeant ROCKAre you a member of the Westboro Baptist Church?
PALIN/McCain 2008
Sergeant Moron
September 8, 2008 - 07:38 ET by PopularTechNo because I do not believe the Iraq war was a task from God
Palin: Iraq war 'a task that is from God' (Anchorage Daily News)
PopularTroll
September 8, 2008 - 07:43 ET by Sergeant ROCKOhhh... a member of N.O.W. and Planned Parenthood then?
PALIN/McCain 2008
Sergeant Ridiculous
September 8, 2008 - 07:52 ET by PopularTechWho is you? This comment doesn't even make any sense.
I thought you didn't stoop...
September 8, 2008 - 11:24 ET by ontheright...to name calling? I'm wondering what Sergeant Ridiculous is? Or, Sergeant Moron?
Hmmm...sure seems like name calling to me.
Makes sense to me
September 8, 2008 - 07:46 ET by Cool Arrow"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God,"
she said. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for,
that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan." Gov. Palin
Makes sense to me to ask God to give us a plan. Wouldn't want to go to a negotiating table or a war without Him.
Now you're just skimming headlines.
Uhhh, My Christian Faith
The Iraq war is not a task from God
September 8, 2008 - 07:56 ET by PopularTechIt is a task from George Bush.
OK, PT
September 8, 2008 - 07:58 ET by Cool ArrowBut a lot of Americans, and a great many Muslims as well, believe that it is.
Uhhh, My Christian Faith
That's rather Lincolnesque,
September 8, 2008 - 13:24 ET by PeskyDaneThat's rather Lincolnesque, actually. In the same vein as 'I'm not concerned if God is on our side, I just hope we are on his.' (Paraphrase)
BUZZ!!
September 8, 2008 - 09:26 ET by Mr. BishopBUZZ!! BUZZ!! BUZZ!!
It's a task from the UN (http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N02/682/26/PDF/N0268226.pdf?OpenElement) which explained that if Saddam Hussein didn't comply, he would face consequences. He didn't comply, he faced consequences.
It's a task from the US Congress (since it is only the US Congress who directs what the government does)
It's a task carried out by Bush.
The little known truth, is that the president of the United States really has little function except as a figurehead in the government. The power is the micro-managing US Congress. The US Congress must approve all actions the military takes if it lasts longer then a set timeframe, according to the War Powers Act.
We can attempt to deny whether or not God has a hand in anything in the government's direction all day long. However, the bottom line is that we swear in presidents on a bible, and we have "In God We Trust" on our money. As such, we (obviously not you) are deeply rooted in the belief that God holds sway in the direction the country moves.
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If homosexuality is genetic, then it must be a birth defect. If it is a birth defect, then stem cell research might provide a cure.
In God We Trust is in direct violation of the Constitution
September 8, 2008 - 09:48 ET by PopularTechThis is not a theocracy and the founding fathers did their best to make damn sure of it, despite the failings of 1954.
Again...
September 8, 2008 - 10:03 ET by Mr. BishopBUZZ!! BUZZ!! BUZZ!!
Wrong again. Show me where the words "separation of church and state" exists in the US Constitution. Short answer -- you cannot. It doesn't exist. God isn't even mentioned in the US Constitution. The First Amendment specifies the following:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. "
If you could stop for a second, the knee-jerk reaction you have displayed so far on this thread, you would see that all that line does -- is say that Congress will not establish a religion, nor will it prohibit the ability of citizens to practice whatever religion they are practicing. It does not say, anywhere, there is a separation of Church and State. That line exists only on the Constitution of the former Soviet Union. Article 124 of their Constitution.
So, in reply to your consistant complaining about people saying lies, and so forth -- don't continue on with your lying about "In God We Trust" being a violation of the Constitution of the United States -- because as was clearly shown to you -- it isn't.
I would also like to point out that you avoided the debunking of your statement of Iraq being a "task from Bush". I suppose it's not that hard to try and ignore it, when it takes an issue you tried to raise, and makes it look like the ridiculous statement it is.
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If homosexuality is genetic, then it must be a birth defect. If it is a birth defect, then stem cell research might provide a cure.
Again he demonstrates..
September 8, 2008 - 10:05 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. that he's a fraud. As though Romney would not concur with your statement?
What's the next liberal position that this <insert expletive here> will take contrary to Romney's actual positions?
Like I said, a fraud.
PALIN/McCain 2008
I am not a fraud, I am right
September 9, 2008 - 01:25 ET by PopularTechI really don't care what Romney's position is on it, "In God We Trust" was not added until 1954 and does not exist in the Constitution for a reason, this is not a theocracy.
Mr. Bishop
September 8, 2008 - 15:49 ET by acumenGreat to find you back on the site. I don't know if you have been away or not as I don't frequent NB as much now as I would like but it certainly is enjoyable to read more of your reasoned comments once again. Thanks!
Hugh
In God We Trust violates the Constitution
September 9, 2008 - 01:30 ET by PopularTech"Congress shall make no law respecting an established religion." - Adding "In God We Trust" violates this claus. Thus congress violated the constitution.
The only way to pretend it does not is to lie. You can spin all you like but the word God is clearly a religious word.
Really, so what religion is
September 9, 2008 - 01:52 ET by Conservative VoiceReally, so what religion is the dollar establishing? Just because its a Religious word, does not mean by the way ( which is a religious phrase ) its establishing a state religion.
Last time I checked the dollar, it just says God. What does that mean? Since there is no attached definition of what that means, there is no establishment of a religion.
Wrong.
September 9, 2008 - 12:54 ET by Mr. BishopDoes the phrase tell you to believe in Buddha? Does it tell you to believe in Allah? Does it tell you to believe in Jesus? Zeus? The fuzz that your cat drops off its butt when it finishes using the liter box?
No... what the statement does is say that we trust in God. Who your God is, is up to you. THAT is why your statements fail every time you type a response.
The phrase does not establish a religion. It does not tell anyone we have to believe in one God or another God, it says that we trust in God -- nothing more.
As such, there is no established religion. Establishing a religion under Congress, was denied because the forefathers didn't like being told by England to belong to the Church of England -- the national church of Great Britain.
So, ignore it as you will, but I will not allow you to continue to spread a lie that it is a violation of the Constitution, since you clearly cannot understand the plain and simple English expressly written in the US Constitution. You cannot simply sit there and say ad nauseum that "In God We Trust" is a violation of the First Amendment, when the First Amendment dictates that Congress cannot establish a national religion. For the intellectually challenged, the word religion is defined as, "... a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects". This means that for the phrase "In God We Trust" to be a "national religion", US currency has to be the religion itself -- established by the US Congress. Since I don't see anyone praying to their twenty-dollar bills, again -- your statement fails.
Give up, you've lost this argument, and all the while -- continue to attempt to avoid the actual statements previously made, which had absolutely nothing to do with religion -- rather it had to do with Bush. Get back to it and argue that instead of this loser of an argument you have thrown up.
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If homosexuality is genetic, then it must be a birth defect. If it is a birth defect, then stem cell research might provide a cure.
Well, maybe not
September 8, 2008 - 15:45 ET by HillbillyKingGod just might have told ol' W to kick ass and take names.
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
God's plan...?
September 8, 2008 - 11:36 ET byThis applies conveniently when you need to show a "why things happen" according to faith in your leader's decision. Do not question a lack of judgment when it's part of God's plan seems to be the running theme.
Simply put...What about God's plan and freewill in teenage pregnancy? Was it God's plan for Bristol to become pregnant? Or was it a freewill decision by Bristol to become pregnant? Choose one and only one...for if it is part of God's plan the birth is blessed, if it is not part of God's plan and is a sin of fornication then the birth is cursed.
Now apply this to the war...God's plan to have a war? or Bush's decision to go to war?
Ubercon
WESTBORO BAPTISTS!!!!!!
September 8, 2008 - 12:44 ET by cest moiTHAT WAS HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!
OH MY GOSH - THAT WAS FREAKIN' HILARIOUS!!!!!
PT, what you fail to
September 8, 2008 - 07:52 ET by PeskyDanePT, what you fail to understand, (I've gone over this on another thread this past weekend) is that even leaders have imperfect families. If you were acquainted with any leaders worth their salt, you would realize this and calm down. All the attention and parenting in the world could not stop Chelsea Clinton and Jenna and Barbara Bush from falling face down in a puddle of their own piss. Nor could it keep AL Gore III from having his run-ins with the law.
Bad Parenting has everything to do with it
September 8, 2008 - 07:54 ET by PopularTechChelsea, Jenna and Barbara are not pregnant and Al Gore Senior used to heavily abuse drugs. Parenting has everything to do with it. I am glad to see you support teenage pregnancy and think it all happens by chance.
I can only presume that you
September 8, 2008 - 08:11 ET by PeskyDaneI can only presume that you are not a parent. As the father of a 15 year-old high school sophmore, I can only hope that the talks and the example my wife and I have tried to set as well as the supervison we provide will be enough. But sometime our kids will do what the will do, because each of us has a free will. To judge parents in such the cavalier fashion as you do is the height of ignorance. To do so if you are a parent yourself is sick.
You can presume to be wrong
September 8, 2008 - 08:12 ET by PopularTechI have children. Of course I judge parents who have knocked-up teenagers. You can always find a pattern of either a dysfunctional family, lack of parenting or many other problems that lead to the "mistake".
Interesting PT
September 8, 2008 - 08:38 ET by Cool ArrowI notice something glaringly absent from your statement "I have children"
But that's your business.
Uhhh, My Christian Faith
Notice your desperation
September 8, 2008 - 08:49 ET by PopularTech..they are healthy, educated and doing well.
PT
September 8, 2008 - 08:51 ET by dvdaughtryHow old are the kid(s)?
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
THE WORLD'S PERFECT PARENT
September 8, 2008 - 09:49 ET by UnsaneAnd you thus have been appointed by The Almighty as THE WORLD'S PERFECT PARENT, and thus have the unalienable right to scold and lecture the rest of us mere mortals on how to raise kids.
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Unsane - plus he thinks rasing toddlers and gradeschool
September 8, 2008 - 09:58 ET by Dee Bunkchildren is the same as pre-teens and teens. What a joke. I really can't imagine that he has kids with the stuff he spews. He's really tempting his fate with this stuff. He's obviously a very young and inexperienced parent if he is one at all. I sure hope he doesn't have a daughter who will be raised with his woman hating. Actually, I don't know what's worse raising more woman haters is pretty bad too.
Dee the only thing you are good at is lying
September 9, 2008 - 01:33 ET by PopularTechI have teenage children. It is getting beyond tiring of your consistent and relentless lies. You are clearly the most dishonest person posting here as you never stop lying about me.
I don't hate women either, despite you repeating the lie. But propaganda is all you have left as the facts are against you.
Perfect Parent means preventing teenage pregnancy?
September 9, 2008 - 01:38 ET by PopularTechI thought this was normal, as all the parents I know raised their daughters without getting pregnant. Then again they were well educated too.
Oh I get it, well educated
September 9, 2008 - 02:01 ET by Conservative VoiceOh I get it, well educated know how to raise their kids, their kids never get into trouble, they never get pregnant.
Give me a break.
Here is another link you can add to your list pop tech
http://www.telegraph...
One last thing, could care less about experience. More interested in her judgment. Met too many professors who fit the phrase...if you can't do it...teach! Like I posted earlier today, http://www.huffingto...
its reported as a gaffe, but she is right, and the so called experts should be fired. She doesn't need a piece of paper from your approved school list to prove her intelligence and ability.
Won't find it in my wife's.
September 8, 2008 - 08:41 ET by dvdaughtryWon't find it in my wife's.
You would think that if it happened to the oldest sister, the others would follow. However, it also happened to my wife's twin. And believe me, they were taught abstinence.
You will probably twist this to your side, but what it means is that kids will make their own decisions--no matter what mom and dad say.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Pop
September 8, 2008 - 09:32 ET by theworminatorI work with juveniles and you cannot I repeat cannot judge parenting skills or effort based on a childs behaviour. I'm glad your children are turning out well and i'm sure you did a decent job parenting but there is also a dose of luck in there as well. So picking on Palin for a knocked up daughter is just silly and rather leftward thinking of you.
Grasping for straws again
September 8, 2008 - 09:28 ET by UnsaneExcuse me? Palin's failure as a mother???
By that standard, my parents are worse than she is. Sure, my parents raised me and I have done quite well for myself, but they also raised a daughter that is a recovering drug addict who for a time was living on the streets. Based on this, can I call my parents failures?
By this sentence, and constant pious whine, I don't think you understand parenting. Or human nature for that matter. The ONLY thing that Sarah Palin, or Unsane's Mom, or countless other men and women who are parents can do, is show their children right from wrong and imbue them with their values, and then turn around and hope and pray that their children do right. The reason for this is that, after all is said and done, after all the parenting, after every possible thing to instill values is accomplished, you are still left with an autonomous human being that possesses freewill, including the freewill to completely screw up. (This is, as I have also said elsewhere, just has to be the WORST part about parenting.)
Or, I suppose, you demand an apology from Mrs. Palin for not being a cross between Mr. O'Brien and Big Brother (or, since this is Mrs. Palin, Miss O'Brien and Big Sister)? Or perhaps she should personally apologize to you for not totally usurping her daughter's freewill until she turned 30???
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Obviously
September 8, 2008 - 09:36 ET by Mr. BishopMy wife got pregnant at 17 when I was 20. None of my brothers who have kids were married when their wives/girlfriends got pregnant the first time -- none. That's 4 boys in a family of 7 kids (one brother is gay, so that means he's out, one is 2 years older then my daughter at 11, and the last kid is my sister). Since none of the boys waited until actual marriage, we're failures and my mother is a failure apparently. Our mothers-in-law are all failures apparently and blah blah blah.
Parents can ONLY provide direction. That is it. Depressingly, liberals refuse to blame a parent when said parent is an obvious failure at life -- they blame the parents' environment. When a parent kills their children, liberals attempt to figure out "why" this parent did it. Excuses are made, people are blamed. The bottom line is that the parents failed, no one else did. And here, a girl is pregnant, and once again -- we can't say the girl made a mistake -- we blame someone else.
Guess what genius -- Sarah Palin DIDN'T put her daughter in bed with her boyfriend. People do, what they do. The only people to "blame" are themselves. People take responsibility for their own actions. I know that is a serious breech of liberal protocol, but it's a fact of life.
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If homosexuality is genetic, then it must be a birth defect. If it is a birth defect, then stem cell research might provide a cure.
Sarah didn't put her daughter into bed with her boyfriend...
September 8, 2008 - 11:52 ET by...might be a fact. She did put her into a predicament by not being more informative about why you don't go to bed with your boyfriend. Bristol is 17 and Sarah's CHILD. Sarah Palin should have informed Bristol on the use of contraceptives if she knew her daughter was going to engage in premarital sex with her boyfriend. It's a lack of judgment on Sarah Palin's part for not being more open with her daughter and her daughter's sexlife. It's widely known kids will follow the advice of their parents if their parents are open, imformative and truthful to their questions. Now is the time to ask, "Where were you, Sarah, when your daughter needed you most in her time of moral questioning about having premarital sex? Where were you?"
Ubercon
After 40 minutes...
September 8, 2008 - 12:25 ET by HumblepieAnd multiple posts on your part, you still have not answered my request for information. I asked you what sex education and at what age did the Palin's provide to Bristol.
So, let me follow up with this thought. You can teach your kids all about sex, contraceptives, even abstaining. But, it all comes down to the basic fact that teenagers always know more than their parents. I know I did. Parents can not hold their kids hand 24/7. If they try it will force them away. You teach your kid and provide them the necessary information to make a (hopefully) wise decision.
To suggest the Palin's failed Bristol is absurd and lack any logical thought. Just like I have with my daughter, I'm sure the Palin's educated their daughter. Every living being has something called "free will." It's a novel thing and it allows use to make a decision or take action. Even with the "proper" education (as you suggest), it doesn't mean they will make the right choice. So tell me, have you ever done something that you knew was wrong? If you say no then you are a liar. Who's fault is it? Yours or your parents.
Quick! The gene pool needs more chlorine.
Wow, where do I begin...?
September 8, 2008 - 14:12 ET byHumblepie,
I don't know what type of sex education or discussions were between Bristol and her parents. I can only imagine what was discussed...and the same goes for you. The fact is Bristol is pregnant. We do not know if it was a mistake or a planned event on Bristol's part. Most of the NBers have latched onto the "mistake" description of Bristol's pregnancy due in part to Sarah's statement of Bristol's accelerated adulthood. What about asking Bristol if this was a planned pregnancy? Who knows? Maybe she'll write a memoir about this event in the future to cash in on her Mom's fame and fortune. How many times has this happen in the past? It's not a stretch at all.
So tell me, have you ever done something that you knew was wrong? If
you say no then you are a liar. Who's fault is it? Yours or your
parents.
Nice question...I'm not running for office. The understanding on what right and wrong is, can be based upon a number of things; your upbringing, the nurturing love and compassion of your family as you seek your own path in life, the risks of your own decisions and the consequences of those decisions as you create a life for yourself. Have I done things wrong? Sure. Am I regretful for everything I've done wrong? No. Who's fault? I started being accountable for my actions when I was given responsibility. If a child feels they are unaccountable for their actions since they have been given no responsibility, it is their parents fault for not entrusting their children with the ability to know what is right or wrong.
Ubercon
Dictate
September 9, 2008 - 13:08 ET by Mr. BishopCan you provide evidence that Sarah Palin didn't tell her daughter she should us a condom during sex? All you can say is that abstinence was pushed, which was true. Most all parents push for abstinence. It was no different for Sarah Palin.
Now, get off your BS-horse about Sarah Palin needs to take an active part in her daughter's sex life. That is about the most stupid thing I have ever heard in my life. I have NO intentions of taking an active part in my childrens' sex lives. I will advise them on what they should and should not do. I will lock my daughter up in a closet until she turns 36 and is allowed to date. My wife disagrees with me. However, what I do, doesn't change the utter stupidity of the statement you just made.
What is clearly not understood by micro-managing elitists, such as you just dictated yourself to be, is that we, as parents, CANNOT be everywhere our children are. We CANNOT make our childrens' decisions for them. We CANNOT do anything remotely close to this and more. As such, we do what we can to inform our children. However, the ultimate decision is left up to our children to make, not the parents.
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If homosexuality is genetic, then it must be a birth defect. If it is a birth defect, then stem cell research might provide a cure.
PT, Grab a history book
September 8, 2008 - 08:33 ET by Hunter12PT, Grab a history book and take a look at the people throughout it who have hurriedly married and then had premature babies six or seven months later that weighed in at 8 lbs plus. Look at your family albums and notice Uncle Sal and Aunt Mims have a August anniversary date, but Cousin Dave was born in February. It happens in the best of families. It doesn't have squat to do with leberal or conservative, it human nature. It also doesn't say anything about parenting ability or their morality.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
Dumb people in history?
September 8, 2008 - 08:53 ET by PopularTechI am not interested in the dumb people of history. I am interested in the modern, supposedly educated realm and not about adults but teenage pregnancy. In the modern world teenage pregnancy has everything to do with bad parenting.
In the modern world teenage
September 8, 2008 - 08:56 ET by dvdaughtryIn the modern world teenage pregnancy has everything to do with bad parenting.
The more you say it, doesn't make it more true.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Contradictions collapse
September 8, 2008 - 09:43 ET by UnsaneIn the modern world teenage pregnancy has everything to do with bad parenting. Unsane's Mom totally and completely contradicts you.
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
TechieBoy...
September 8, 2008 - 09:57 ET by neighbI have no doubt that your daughter tried to get pregnant before she got married....
JUST TO GET OUT OF YOUR FREAKIN' HOUSE!!!!!!!!
Palin is running for VP, not Mother of America
September 8, 2008 - 12:19 ET by CobraManSince you keep bringing up teen pregnancy and Palin’s candidacy for VP, you can rest assured that, as a VP, Sarah Palin will be in NO position to institute any policy, or impliment any legislation, that will address, or fail to address, the social ramifications of teen pregnancy. Sarah is running for VP and not as the head parent of America. What, exactly, can Sarah DO as VP that will affect the teen pregnancy rates in America? Your concern is misplaced, and unwarranted.
The only reason you even MENTION Bristol's pregnancy is in an attempt to persuade conservatives that the Plain family doesn't practice Family Values. Too bad for you that the fact that she is KEEPING the child and is going to marry the father with the full support of her family is PROOF of her and her parent’s commitment to Family Values and personal responsibilities, both of which are strong conservative values. That's something you can't deny, try as you might.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Oh PT...get off your
September 8, 2008 - 12:32 ET by bigtimerOh PT...get off your perfect soap box...
Life isn't perfect...you aren't either...none of us, nor our our children all the time.
I know you think you are perfect, and your children are perfect blah blah blah...
Nothing in this world is perfect....never will be.
I will tell you one thing PT...you had better get prepared, Palin may very well be the next Prez after McCain, whether you like it or not.
I know you will continue to bitch...but it is really getting old day after day...say something new once in awhile would ya please...and move on.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
pt
September 8, 2008 - 08:40 ET by larry on LIcan you explain to us why you have a severe case of 'red ass' over the mccain / palin ticket?
Oh Brother....
September 8, 2008 - 07:10 ET by Fred911Gee....I wish I could be "real smart".....but I'm voting McCain / Palin......OH WELL!
Maybe I'll have to move to one of the other 57 states.
I see and hear petty jelousy in these attacks
September 8, 2008 - 07:16 ET by c5thenI think that these liberal women can't stand that it is a conservative woman who will now forever be identified as the role model now. And the worst part is she is pretty and they can't even denigrate her looks. She is obviuously very good at oratory and has a beautiful family. There is nothing for them to make fun of, like the high school cliquettes that they are.
They sound like a Monty Python routine (the one with the two gay judges).
They can not attack her principles and ideology, because at least 50% of the country shares them. They can't attach her political beleifs because they can't adequately articulate their own. So they are reduced to trying to make fun of how well she does speaking to a national audience or the fact that she is audacious enough to actually have a family who loves her and wants to be with her.
She actually has a husband who is willing to put his career on hold so that she can take an opportunity, perhaps, to make history. Wow! Her daughter made a mistake and is living up to her responsibility instead of trying to erase the mistake by killing her baby. Wow! Personal responsibility on display for all to see. They can't stand it.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
A role model for teen pregnancy?
September 8, 2008 - 07:19 ET by PopularTechI sure hope she is not a role model. There is plenty for people to make fun of, such as her degree in Journalism.
Yep, poptech
September 8, 2008 - 07:22 ET by Mica the Magnificentthat would be real funny.
Yawwwwn #2.
Actually her lack of private sector experience is more funny
September 8, 2008 - 07:24 ET by PopularTechProfessional Experience:
- First Place, Miss Wasilla Beauty Contest, 1984
- Second Place, Miss Alaska Pageant, 1984
- Television Sports Reporter, 1987-1989
Sooo boring, poptech
September 8, 2008 - 07:28 ET by Mica the MagnificentC'mon, Poptech! You're getting so repetitive and boring your going to put me in a freakin' coma!
Even Funnier..
September 8, 2008 - 07:30 ET by PopularTechShe was for the bridge before she was against it...
Palin touts stance on 'Bridge to Nowhere,' doesn't note flip-flop (Anchorage Daily News)
Uh oh
September 8, 2008 - 07:44 ET by Mica the Magnificentbeep . . . beep . . . beeeeeeeeeeep
Perhaps a role model, yes.
September 8, 2008 - 07:48 ET by c5thenNow many teens will see that killing the baby is not the answer to their initial mistake of getting pregnant. They will be able to stand up to the liberal preasure to kill it and 'go back to normal'. But of course that can't be done. No matter any 'choice' that is made, the girl will never be the same and why add the guilt of murder on top of all of it?
So yes, Bristol Palin is an example of taking responsibility for your actions after the mistake. No one is perfect. we all make mistakes, some of them are doosies. The important thing is what you do about them after they are commited. That is what shows character.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
Only idiots make these mistakes
September 8, 2008 - 07:59 ET by PopularTechSorry but only idiots make these mistakes and parents who don't teach their children about birth control. But the problem may have been caused by the Parent in this case if they do not believe in birth control to begin with.
Your arrogance is old
September 8, 2008 - 08:05 ET by dvdaughtryYour arrogance is old too.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Mark
September 8, 2008 - 08:05 ET by Cool ArrowI believe Popular Tech just called Observant Catholics, Idiots.
Does this mean we can get back into religious fights again?
Huh? Can we Huh?
Catholics use birth control
September 8, 2008 - 08:15 ET by PopularTechI am well aware of the Vatican teachings but as a rule, Catholics use birth control despite what propaganda is taught in your church.
But thanks for the lie about me calling Catholics idiots when I did no such thing.
Nope PT
September 8, 2008 - 08:18 ET by Cool ArrowYou just called Observant Catholics, Idiots.
No parsing that.
Uhhh, My Christian Faith
Nope Liar
September 8, 2008 - 08:24 ET by PopularTechI did not call Catholics idiots. No where in my posts did I use those words together. Unlike you, I actually have known Catholics my whole life and your comment applies only to the Vatican teachings not real life Catholics. It helps if you actually know Catholics.
Yes, PT
September 8, 2008 - 08:47 ET by Cool ArrowAnd I'll claim victory on this one since you had to resort to calling me a liar.
Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of "observant"
Here's a link
Uhhh, My Christian Faith
Perhaps yout don't know any Catholics
September 8, 2008 - 08:54 ET by PopularTechWhich I am sure of.
Wrong again PT
September 8, 2008 - 09:01 ET by Cool ArrowI come from a whole family of human beings you just called idiots.
But of course Popular Tech gets a special dispensation on calling Observant Catholics idiots.
I thought we weren't allowed to do that.
Doesn't really bother me that much though. It's not me you're thumbing your nose at.
Uhhh, My Christian Faith
What?
September 8, 2008 - 09:41 ET by Mr. BishopAre you having difficulty reading what he wrote? He said Observant Catholics -- those who strictly follow the teachings of the Catholic church. WTF? Can't you read without blasting away?
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If homosexuality is genetic, then it must be a birth defect. If it is a birth defect, then stem cell research might provide a cure.
TechieBoy....
September 8, 2008 - 10:02 ET by neighbGet off this thread, already.....
You're gonna be late for your school bus.....
Actually...you did. You made the leap in logic.
September 8, 2008 - 12:17 ET byCoolArrow,
You directly accused PopTech of calling "Observant Catholics, Idiots." which he did not. It is idiotic not to inform the masses of contraceptive use. Sure, no contraceptive is 100% effective. At least some have a 90% chance of stopping the spread of disease and unwanted pregnancies. Some of those unwanted pregnancies lead to abortions. So, would you like to see more "mistakes" by young people who haven't been informed on contraceptive use? The less education, the more likely you'll have more abortions. Of course, most women and doctors know a quick overdose of 4 to 5 birth control pills after a hot night of sex will stop most pregnancies though will not stop the spread of infectious disease. It all depends on God's plan...
Ubercon
And yet..
September 9, 2008 - 13:13 ET by Mr. BishopAnd yet... abstinence is a 100% guarantee that a person won't get pregnant, won't get a disease, won't need to worry about explaining to their parents that they are sexually active...
The point is here -- my way is a guarantee if practiced. Your way, is not a guarantee if practiced.
So, who is the idiot here? Telling someone they can have sex, and they may not get pregnant if they follow these directives? Or telling someone they shouldn't have sex, and won't get pregnant? Seems to me, the idiotic thing to do, is fill people with false hope that they may not get pregnant, as opposed to saying they won't get pregnant if they avoid sex.
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If homosexuality is genetic, then it must be a birth defect. If it is a birth defect, then stem cell research might provide a cure.
So, Populartech thinks that only perfect folks should run.
September 8, 2008 - 13:36 ET by c5thenAnd moreover, he is implying that a mistake made by a child can be appropriately attributed to the parent, thus continuing the liberal mantra of 'guilt by association'.
Fact: There is only one form of birth control that is 100% effective and infalible - abstinence. Condoms are in the 97% range and birth control pills are in the 95% range.
So to sum it up...Obama is not 'liable' for his mistakes of taking drugs in college, but Palin is 'laible' because her daughter got pregnant and chose to keep the baby and not kill it? Does that about sum it up, PT?
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
Truman had no degree
September 8, 2008 - 09:54 ET by UnsaneYou must hate Truman if that is the case.
Can you show me where in the Constitution it states you must have a college education to be President, or where the list of required majors is?
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Thank You Ms. Warner
September 8, 2008 - 07:16 ET by NotafraidYou have punctuated in spades that the left is on another planet when it comes to understanding mainstream America.
There is no Women's Movement
September 8, 2008 - 07:26 ET by Cool ArrowThere is only the god Molech to the "Women's Movement".
In their minds, Sarah has to be objectified so the lefties can understand why a bunch of conservatives would rally around McCain's pick.
Tough luck on that Joe Biden choice. I hear Hillary's going out campaigning in his place. Seems to me she's a prime example of the woman who does a better job but, you know, Ol' Joe tells funny jokes around the water cooler.
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
Why brain-washed Conservatives would rally behind McCain
September 8, 2008 - 07:29 ET by PopularTechThey have no moral integrity, they don't care about qualifications, they prefer identity politics, they don't know how to think for themselves...
Poptart is the one who can't think for himself
September 8, 2008 - 07:36 ET by Dee Bunkhe'd rather blindly follow his candidate that couldn't beat Obama/Biden in effect electing Obama/Biden than support the only one who has given this race a fighting chance.
Poptart is brainwashed for sure. He now has officially become an Obamabot who thinks community organizing and present votes demonstrate more leadership than Palin's running a business, town and State
PopTart's candidate?
September 8, 2008 - 07:41 ET by Sergeant ROCKHe spends so much time attacking McCain, I don't even know who his candidate is? He does realize that Obama is also running against his candidate as well, right?
PALIN/McCain 2008
Libertarian Candidate
September 8, 2008 - 07:44 ET by PopularTechI am supporting the Libertarian candidate Bob Barr ever since the affirmative action pick Palin was chosen. I am well aware of who he is running against and do not need people who cannot do 5 minutes worth of research to tell me this.
Bob who?
September 8, 2008 - 07:48 ET by Sergeant ROCKYeah, spending 99.9% of your time blasting away at McCain/Palin is highly constructive. With idiots like you supporting him, there's no doubt he'll be victorious.
PALIN/McCain 2008
Sergeant: I have asked
September 8, 2008 - 07:54 ET by Mark FinkelsteinSergeant: I have asked people to cease and desist from personal insults.
I can criticize who I wish
September 8, 2008 - 08:18 ET by PopularTechWhile Obama made a very smart choice in picking Biden, McCain was not so bright.
HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!
September 8, 2008 - 08:22 ET by Sergeant ROCKI rest my case!!!
PALIN/McCain 2008
You don't have a case
September 8, 2008 - 08:56 ET by PopularTechBut to fill you in, it is possible to make comments like mine without supporting someone. I know that sort of thing is way over your head but keep trying.
how interesting
September 8, 2008 - 08:55 ET by candanceSo now we know why Pop has abandoned his campaign against global warming. And his campaign against marijuana.
All he has left now is complaining about Sarah Palin. Sad.
Not interesting at all
September 8, 2008 - 09:05 ET by PopularTechBob Barr 's comment on Global Warming speaks for themselves...
"One of the most complicated and controversial issues facing America is global warming. Although temperatures have increased in recent decades, the scientific community has been unable to make definitive judgments as to the past cause or future course of climate change. Indeed, the models which predict problems in the future did not predict the lack of any temperature increase over the last decade. Unfortunately, many climate processes are not yet clearly understood.
Thus, we need to conduct more and better scientific research about climate change to assess likely problems in the future and develop appropriate solutions. More dialogue is key to understanding global warming and developing the best means of dealing with the important questions surrounding the phenomenon. This dialogue must include scientists from all sides of the issue, including those who are skeptical of the assertion that humans are primarily responsible for global temperature changes and that those changes pose a substantial danger to humanity.
Moreover, we must develop cost-effective policies which will not undermine the U.S. economy. So-called cap and trade legislation, recently rejected by the U.S. Senate, would do grievous damage to the American economy, threatening to create a permanent recession by reversing industrial growth and destroying millions of jobs. Attempting to adjust global temperatures by artificially cutting energy consumption would undermine the very prosperous and innovative market system upon which we must rely for answers to everything from health care to international poverty to environmental protection."
This is better than McCain's which supports cap-and-trade. And despite Barr mentioning Gore he wants to leave it up to the markey to decide what to do - which is my position.
The whole drug thing is not even a big part of his campaign and is the least of my worries.
ahh
September 8, 2008 - 13:42 ET by candanceHow interesting.
This is better than McCain's which supports cap-and-trade.
So now you're defending Barr because at least he's not as bad as McCain? Wait, aren't you the one who told us that one candidate's flaws do not make another candidate look good?
It isn't lost on anyone here that you've suddenly abandoned your exposure of global warming and never in the past mentioned that markets need to "do" anything in the first place.
Pray tell pop, what all do you have in common with Libertarians?
I've always supported market solutions over government
September 9, 2008 - 01:55 ET by PopularTechAnd have on many occassions said it should be left up to the market. I am defending Barr just like I defended Romney's and Rudy's position on this which was not to enforce a big government "solution" to the alleged problem. I can actually read what people state and not simply jump to conclusions about parts of what they say.
I would rather have someone who believes AGW is man-made and let the market decide (Rudy) on how to fix it then to have someone who is not sure but just to be safe implement a big government "solution" (McCain).
Barr's position is excellent. All I care about is what he is going to do not how or what he says. This is what separates me from many, many suckers out there.
Hello?????????????
September 8, 2008 - 10:05 ET by neighbTechieBoy....
You're gonna be late for that bus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dee Bum spews propaganda
September 8, 2008 - 07:42 ET by PopularTechI will support whoever I feel like, currently Bob Barr, So get over it. If everyone is going to play identity politics I might as well too.
I have never supported Obama despite your lies. But at least get his qualifications right...
Barack Obama:
Education:
- B.A. Political Science/International Relations, Columbia University, 1983
- J.D. Harvard Law School, 1991
Political Experience:
- State Senator, Illinois, 1996-2004
- U.S. Senator, Illinois, 2005-present (pop: 12,831,970)
Total Career Political Votes: 21,962,102
Committees:
- Chair, Subcommittee on European Affairs
- Member, Foreign Relations
- Member, Health, Education, Labor & Pensions
- Member, Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
- Member, Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations
- Member, Subcommittee on African Affairs
- Member, Subcommittee on Children and Families
- Member, Subcommittee on East Asian and Pacific Affairs
- Member, Subcommittee on Employment and Workplace Safety
- Member, Subcommittee on Federal Financial Management, Government Information, Federal Services, and International Security
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Member, Subcommittee on International Development and Foreign
Assistance, Economic Affairs and International Environmental Protection
- Member, Subcommittee on State, Local, and Private Sector Preparedness and Integration
- Member, Veterans’ Affairs
Professional Experience:
- Lecturer, Constitutional Law, University of Chicago, 1992 to 1996
- Senior Lecturer, Constitutional Law, University of Chicago, 1996-2004
- Attorney, Miner Barnhill & Galland, 1993-2004
Lecturer on constitutional
September 8, 2008 - 07:47 ET by PeskyDaneLecturer on constitutional law is a patronage position where you simply read what smarter people have written. Did he ever do a Q & A? I would doubt it. Look how he continually grasped for thoughts with the softball questions from Rick Warren.
PopularTroll is for Obama
September 8, 2008 - 07:59 ET by Sergeant ROCKThere he goes again!
"I'm for Bob Barr but let me sing the praises of Obama's resume'!"
What a *****!!!
PALIN/McCain 2008
Setting the record straight
September 8, 2008 - 08:01 ET by PopularTechI am not singing his praises but setting the record straight. If everyone is going to ignore Palin's resume then you sure as hell are not going to spin Obamas'.
Poor Campaigner
September 8, 2008 - 08:13 ET by Sergeant ROCKYou fail miserably as a Bob Barr supporter because of the simple fact that you spend so much time wringing your hands over Barrack Hussein Obama's record rather than promoting Bob Barr's record. Anyone with an ounce of objectivity can see this.
You are useless to Bob Barr and an asset to Barrack Hussein Obama.
PALIN/McCain 2008
I am not a campaigner
September 8, 2008 - 08:20 ET by PopularTechSo your point doesn't make any sense.
Makes perfect sense...
September 8, 2008 - 08:25 ET by Sergeant ROCK...to anyone with an ounce of objectivity. Something you sorely lack.
PALIN/McCain 2008
What part of I am not campaigner do you not understand?
September 8, 2008 - 09:05 ET by PopularTechTherefore your comment makes no sense.
So far everyone one of your points requires implications that are fabricated. Which means you have no points.
The "not" part
September 8, 2008 - 09:10 ET by Cool ArrowYou may not be campaigning for a specific pair of candidates, but you are campaigning.
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
You're a funny guy Cool.
September 8, 2008 - 09:16 ET by dvdaughtryYou're a funny guy Cool. Lavern and Shriley '08
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
No kidding
September 8, 2008 - 09:19 ET by Sergeant ROCKHe's about as irrational as they come. Oblivious to reality.
PALIN/McCain 2008
Daily Koz Poster
September 8, 2008 - 09:17 ET by Sergeant ROCKYou're too irrational to possess anything close objectivity. Hence, your inability to reason the facts at hand.
Even to the casual observer, people will note that you expend most of your efforts denouncing McCain/Palin, promoting Obama's resume', all the while virtually ignoring the candidate you claim to endorse... what's his name?.. Bob Barr. You do a horrible job of promoting the candidate that you supposedly, SUPPOSEDLY.. endorse.
Btw.. <insert expletive here>, it's Obama vs. McCain, not Obama vs. Palin.
PALIN/McCain 2008
Same lies
September 8, 2008 - 09:51 ET by PopularTechAll of my time? Really? But the lies are easier.
Ugh
September 8, 2008 - 09:50 ET by Mr. BishopNo one is ignoring Obama's resume. Quite the opposite. Everyone is using Obama's resume to show his utter lack of experience. The comment you responded to notes that he has no executive experience (other then Obama's "touted" experience as a community organizer -- which means jacksh*t in the world) and he refuses to vote yes or no in the Senate -- which you ignored.
In other words, try reading what was written, instead of what you perceive to exist.
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If homosexuality is genetic, then it must be a birth defect. If it is a birth defect, then stem cell research might provide a cure.
I'm way over it poptart - I could care less who you vote for
September 8, 2008 - 07:50 ET by Dee BunkYou are the one obsessed with trying to change our minds with your immature attacks that don't work on anyone.
It's obvious that you support Obama no matter who you vote for.
Tired of the lies
September 8, 2008 - 08:03 ET by PopularTechI am not obsessed with changing anyone's mind, I am tired of the lies and propaganda.
But there you go again with the lies, after I clearly say I support the Libertarian candidate you lie and say I support Obama. Try being honest for once in your life.
Place on McCain's Cabinet
September 8, 2008 - 08:40 ET by NotafraidIt looks like Obama has clinched the job of being President McCain's Secretary of Committees.
Thanks, PT for the cooboration, Zero Executive Experience.
September 8, 2008 - 09:13 ET by Hunter12As I said, BHO has zero executive experience. You critize someone with a lot of executive experience, and then list a resume for someone with none. Thanks for helping me prove my point. As far as his legislative experience goes, he's on these committees, but he doesn't call or attend any meetings.
Doubts about Barack Obama's presidential credentials have crystallized during the past two weeks over his stewardship of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's Subcommittee on European Affairs, which has convened no policy hearings since he took over as its chairman last January. That startling fact, first uncovered by Steve Clemons, who blogs on the Washington Note, prompted acid comment in Europe about the Illinois senator's failure to visit the continent since assuming the committee post, and even speculation that he had never traveled there except for a short stopover in London.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
Brainwashed Conservatives
September 8, 2008 - 07:36 ET by Cool ArrowComing from someone whose claim to fame is posting links to other websites, that's really quite hilarious.
If you ever came up with something original, your Xerox decal would fall off.
Uhhh, My Christian Faith
Meaningless diatribe vs. facts
September 8, 2008 - 07:46 ET by PopularTechI like to support my facts with sources instead of meaningless diatribe.
Really PT?
September 8, 2008 - 07:48 ET by Cool ArrowGot any links?
BWAHAHAHA
Uhhh, My Christian Faith
How many do you want?
September 8, 2008 - 08:21 ET by PopularTechI have plenty...
I guess we're just looking
September 8, 2008 - 07:48 ET by PeskyDaneI guess we're just looking for original thoughts here.
You mean GOP talking points
September 8, 2008 - 08:04 ET by PopularTechI have yet to read anything that is not a GOP talking point.
Oh, TechieBoy,,,,TechieBoy...
September 8, 2008 - 10:10 ET by neighbToo late...you missed your bus.
Boy your mama is gonna have your ass in a sling now!!!! You'll probably have your computer privileges taken away. Then what will you do?????
Someone didn't get asked to the Prom
September 8, 2008 - 07:33 ET by IgnatzJFahrquar"it seems we’ve all got to celebrate the fact that America’s Hottest
Governor (Princess of the Fur Rendezvous 1983, Miss Wasilla 1984) could
speak at all."
Awe, poor baby. The envy and jealousy are just oozing from these Liberal "feminists".
And, I just love watching these Libs sit and spin. It's a great barometer to as how effective things are for the campaign.The moment PopT shuts up, I'll start to worry.
"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain
^ Small bloody wonder
September 8, 2008 - 08:08 ET by jazboThose who believe in nothing will believe anything.
^ Small bloody wonder
September 8, 2008 - 08:08 ET by jazboThose who believe in nothing will believe anything.
What a nasty bitchy small
September 8, 2008 - 07:32 ET by LaValletteWhat a nasty bitchy small minded diatribe that was. I feel dirty having read it. Why are these whiney "brights" so afraid of "little housewives" who can become state governors and do that job well too? Because they expose their incompetence and that their extreme feminism actually denies what women really are and what they really aspire to acjheive their natural destiny. Cry me buckets!
Women can only reach VP through Affirmative Action
September 8, 2008 - 07:34 ET by PopularTechBecause Palin sure did not reach the candidate position through qualifications.
Got it, poptech
September 8, 2008 - 07:38 ET by Mica the MagnificentGot it!
No qualifications and affirmative action.
O-k.
Oh, and don't forget no
September 8, 2008 - 07:52 ET by SickofLibsOh, and don't forget no qualifications and affirmative action.
Did we cover no
September 8, 2008 - 07:53 ET by SickofLibsDid we cover no qualifications and affirmative action?
Sickolibs
September 8, 2008 - 08:17 ET by Mica the MagnificentI think so. Let me check the posts before yours . . . give me a minute . . . YEP! It's been covered.
Think so?
September 8, 2008 - 07:39 ET by Cool ArrowI agree. And the affirmative action was the pulling of a voting lever. One by one.
Uhhh, My Christian Faith
Yeah, those pesky voters
September 8, 2008 - 07:50 ET by PeskyDaneYeah, those pesky voters (pardon the term) putting her in office! Darn this liberal democratic republic we live in!
No voters put her as VP pick
September 8, 2008 - 09:24 ET by PopularTechI guess we forgot anout that one.
McCain voted for her
September 8, 2008 - 12:28 ET by CobraManMcCain voted for her since he had a list of possible running mates from which he CHOOSE Sarah. I guess YOU forgot THAT one.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Like it or not, part of
September 8, 2008 - 07:59 ET by dvdaughtryLike it or not, part of this game called politics is electablity.
The most "qualified" (quotes for your definition, because as far as I know she meets the requirements) does no one any good if they can't get elected.
But any case, she is the perfect candidate for reasons that have been since she was nominated. Conservatism has received a new breath of life to combat the left.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Cowboy Chilli
September 8, 2008 - 08:45 ET by kilrodPops Poop, a young cowboy from Brokeback Mountain, down on his luck, rode into a hot dusty town one day. He rode up to the Salloon, stepped down off his Shetland pony, and simpered up to the bar. At the bar sat an old cowboy staring morosely into a large bowl of chilli. Pops set down close and watched for a while and the old cowboy just sat there staring into the chilli. Finally Pops said, "Hey fella, if your not going to eat that chilli can i have it, i've had a hard day of computerology and i'm so hungry. The old cowboy pushed the chilli over to Pops, and Pops commenced to shovel it in as fast as he could. Down close to the bottom he found the remains of a dead and bloated mouse and went to spewing puke all over the bar. The old cowboy peered over into the bowl and said "Yup, thats as fer down as i got too sonny-boy".!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(GRINS) kilrod
Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier
Stupid Cowboy Story
September 8, 2008 - 09:30 ET by PopularTechAs a rule I don't eat other people's food - we call this sanitation.
But your stupid cowboy story was sure funnnnnny!!! Golli Gee!!! Huck Huck!!!!
You seem to be...
September 8, 2008 - 11:55 ET by ontheright...a very angry and sad little man. The kind that always got wedgies at school; the kind whose lunch was always smashed by the resident bully; the kind who couldn't defend himself (dare I say, becasue of your upbringing = bad parenting?).
What happened Pop, did your momma drop you on your head when you were a baby?
well, pt it has finaly reared it's ugly head,
September 8, 2008 - 09:11 ET by larry on LIyou have a red ass because she is a female!
Larry the Liar
September 8, 2008 - 09:15 ET by PopularTechThanks for the lies.
Poop Deck trash talk.
September 8, 2008 - 19:20 ET by sick_puppytrash talk: "to use disparaging or boastful language" (dictionary.refererce.com) or,"In the course of a competitive situation putting down your opponent verbally or saying how good you think you are." (urbandictionary.com)
Interesting thread here today. About 50 examples of Poop Deck thrash talk,,, er,,, I mean trash talk.
Barry should have studied Murphy’s Laws of Combat. Sin Loy.
If you can't remember . . . the claymore is probably pointed at you. Murphy’s Laws of Combat
No way Larry
September 8, 2008 - 09:19 ET by Cool ArrowThat's the same shade he always wears.
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
I don't care what her
September 8, 2008 - 19:32 ET by Conservative VoiceI don't care what her qualifications are...I do care about her judgement. You can hire experts to shore up lack of knowledge, but it takes someone who is wise to know if the experts are stupid...like the so called experts of global warming, or the financial experts over Fannie and Freddie. Prove to me that her wisdom is weak, you can't...so you claim the liberal argument as your own...no experience, so affirmative action got her the job. I didn't want McCain to pick her if the only reason was because she was a woman. The more I see and hear, the more I wish Palin ran for President!
The tantrum goes on and on and on and on....
September 8, 2008 - 22:05 ET by UnsaneDo you work for the Department of Redundancy Department?
"One thoughtless moment passes in slow motion.
As I lie down, I realize that...
...all I wish, is TO GET RID OF THIS OBSESSIVE DEVOTION!!!"
-Epica, "The Obsessive Devotion", from The Divine Conspiracy (2007)
How very curoius - Not a SINGLE opposing comment in her blog
September 8, 2008 - 08:06 ET by jazboFree speech anyone? Not with Judith at the Democrat Times, I guess.
Those who believe in nothing will believe anything.
I like the part
September 8, 2008 - 08:15 ET by kdizzydazeabout the beautifully crafted words, indicating to you, the uninformed reader, that Palin did not write her own speech. Of course neither has Obama or Biden, but I would bet no one has reported that Biden and Obama do not write their own speeches.
Pattern established
September 8, 2008 - 08:24 ET by ArminiusWe're starting to see a pattern concerning the criticism directed towards Palin. The most strident attacks are coming from unattractive, liberal women. I have yet to hear an attractive woman criticize her.
"Liberal" and "attractive
September 8, 2008 - 08:35 ET by IgnatzJFahrquar"Liberal" and "attractive woman" are not usually found in the same sentence.
"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain
Women like this Judith
September 8, 2008 - 08:39 ET by suzycreamcheeseWomen like this Judith Warner never rise above their hypocrisy. They only want adulation and support for women in their circles. If one doesn't fit their definition of what a strong woman is, she is ridiculed and mocked. Very childish and very lame...and very transparent to the rest of the female voters in fly-over country.
Liberals never learn
September 8, 2008 - 09:35 ET by donsalimanThe Liberals underestimate President Bush and yet this "dumb" President,beats all these so called "smart" Liberals almost every time.
Now they are underestimate Governor Palin,and once again, these liberals who think they know it all and we conservatives, who they all think we are dumb and not educated, are going to lose the bid to take over the USA.
are all dumb are going
Can anyone confirm this?
September 8, 2008 - 09:36 ET by dvdaughtryJust got an email from me mum. Any way to verify/debunk?
Alaska is the first line of defense in our missile interceptor defense system. The 49th Missile Defense Battalion of the Alaska National Guard is the unit that protects the entire nation from ballistic missile attacks. It's on permanent active duty, unlike other Guard units.
As governor of Alaska, Palin is briefed on highly classified military issues, homeland security, and counterterrorism. Her exposure to classified material may rival even Biden's.
She's also the commander in chief of the Alaska State Defense Force (ASDF), a federally recognized militia incorporated into Homeland Security's counterterrorism plans.
Palin is privy to military and intelligence secrets that are vital to the entire country's defense. Given Alaska's proximity to Russia, she may have security clearances we don't even know about.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
It sounds plausible
September 8, 2008 - 09:42 ET by IgnatzJFahrquarbut I'd definately want some hardcore confirmation.
Wouldn't it be a beauty if the RNC was holding back this info until the VP debate for her to spring it on ole Joe.
"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain
What part
September 8, 2008 - 10:02 ET by NorthCoasterof the speech was in a foreign language? I thought the whole thing was crisp and clear and decisive. Did Sarah stutter, mispeak, stumble or search for "hidden meanings", no! Sarah spoke clearly to everyone who listened. I was especially thrilled and surprized to hear her say that "Parents of Special needs children will have an advocate in Washington".
Warner is the one who needs English lessons.
Warner...another whining
September 8, 2008 - 10:34 ET by bigtimerWarner...another whining witch.
Someone needs to send her a broomstick...signed,
Fly safely,
Regards, Sarah
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Liberal tolerance on
September 8, 2008 - 11:29 ET by wiwfLiberal tolerance on parade
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy
Warner
September 8, 2008 - 22:14 ET by Emma GrumpI liken this to the old line in "It's A Wonderful Life" where ZuZu says, " Everytime a bell rings, another angel gets it's wings", only in this case, "Everytime Sarah Palin is smeared, John McCain gets more votes". Talk about stupid - you would think these arrogant elitists would see that, but I guess they just can't help being what they are.