Second Amendment: Obama 'Highly Conservative' in NYT's Eyes?

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I have said consistently that I believe the Second Amendment is an individual right. -- Barack Obama, June 26, 2008

In some ways, the Supreme Court term that just ended seems muddled: disturbing, highly conservative rulings on subjects like voting rights and gun control . . . In another sharp break with its traditions, the court struck down parts of the District of Columbia’s gun-control law. After seven decades of holding that the Second Amendment’s right to bear arms is tied to raising a militia, the court reversed itself and ruled that it confers on individuals the right to keep guns in their homes for personal use. The decision will no doubt add significantly to the number of Americans killed by gun violence. -- NYT editorial, A Supreme Court on the Brink, July 3, 2008 [emphasis added]

How far left is the editorial board of the New York Times?  Far enough that, when it comes to the Second Amendment, Barack Obama would seemingly qualify as "highly conservative" in its eyes.  

The gist of the Grey Lady's editorial of today is to warn voters that the Supreme Court is just a vote away from a conservative majority. The paper instructs voters to keep that grim prospect "firmly in mind when they go to the polls in November."  In the course of its scare-mongering, the editorial liberally sprinkles terms sure to send a shiver down lefty spines: "highly conservative," "a far-right majority," "cold-hearted," "dedicated members of the conservative movement," "the conservative bloc," "far-right bloc," 'one more conservative appointment would . .  push [the Court] even further in a dangerous direction."

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As evidence of the dangerous, far-right tendencies of the current Court that would only be exacerbated by one more conservative appointment, the Times cites the recent Heller decision, overturning the Washington, DC gun ban and determining that the Second Amendment did indeed recognize an individual right to keep and bear arms.  As noted in the introductory paragraphs above, the Times condemns the Court's enunciation of an individual right as a "highly conservative . . . break with its traditions."

But wait a second.  As you'll also note above, Barack Obama claims that he, too, "believe[s] the Second Amendment is an individual right."  Naturally, Obama being Obama, he triangulates his position by adding that he also believes in "sensible" gun control laws.  But Obama has also disowned his campaign's earlier statement that he believed the DC law undone in Heller was constitutional.

So it looks like, as far as the Times is concerned, Obama is just one more dangerous conservative.  For that matter, as long as we're identifying the Times' villians of the far right, let's not forgot a couple of Harvard professors that most people had heretofore imagined were generally left-of-center: Alan Dershowitz and Larry Tribe. For they too—far-right ideologues that they apparently are—also recognize an individual right to bear arms, as per this Larry Elder column:

Even some noted liberal professors admit the obvious. Harvard's Laurence Tribe says, "The 14th Amendment, which makes parts of the Bill of Rights applicable to the states, reflected a broad agreement that bearing arms was a 'privilege' of each citizen." Fellow Harvard liberal law professor Alan Dershowitz agrees, and scolds fellow liberals for twisting the words of the Second Amendment in a way that could come back to haunt them. "Foolish liberals who are trying to read the Second Amendment out of the Constitution by claiming that it's not an individual right or that it's too much of a safety hazard," said Dershowitz, "don't see the danger of the big picture." He added, "They're courting disaster by encouraging others to use the same means to eliminate portions of the Constitution they don't like."  

All of which raises the question: who would it take to qualify as a true liberal in the Times' eyes?

Bonus Question: The editorial flatly states that the Heller decision "will no doubt add significantly to the number of Americans killed by gun violence," but adduces no evidence in support of its claim.  I've seen a number of studies, such as this one, asserting that concealed carry laws result in a reduction in violent crime.  What facts is the Times relying on?
 

—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.


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sooo..

He opposed the ruling before he was in favor of it.

You are unfairly engaging in

You are unfairly engaging in "the old politics" by pointing that out ;-)

Well, that's not the Second

Well, that's not the Second Amendment that he knew.....

I don't think this is so much an indication of how far left the NYT is, but more of an attempt by them to paint Obama as more conservative than he is...you know..."moving toward the center"....

 

Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson

Really?

"After seven decades of holding that the Second Amendment’s right to bear arms is tied to raising a militia..."

I am no Supreme Court historian, but wasn't this the first time that the court ruled on the individual right to bear arms?  I'm pretty sure that they have ruled on the constitutionality of bans of certain weapsons and on background checks, etc., but this seems a little deceiving.

Wait a minute, it's the NYT.

And how will this "add significantly to the number of Americans killed by gun violence."?

Oh, I get it.  Criminals will start dying after confronting a gun owner.  How terrible!

After seven decades of

After seven decades of holding that the Second Amendment’s right to bear arms is tied to raising a militia, the court reversed itself and ruled that it confers on individuals the right to keep guns in their homes for personal use.

For over two hundred years this has been an individual right. 

Basic economics tell me that criminals have an incentive to commit crimes when the victims are unarmed.  Take away that incentive and people, even criminals, will act in their own self-interest which in this case would be to not get killed.

After seven decades of

After seven decades of holding that the Second Amendment’s right to bear arms is tied to raising a militia,

I was going to ask the same question.  Is this true?  I can't imagine so.  My understanding of the second amendment is that the right of the people to bear arms is a necessary prerequisite for assembling a militia, which in turn is necessary for the security of a free state.  Has the supreme court said otherwise in the past?  Are they out of their flunking minds at the NYT??!

facts? since when has that been important?

"What facts is the Times relying on?"

The NYT has never relied on facts in their reporting, why should they start now?

This is the first SCOTUS ruling on the 2nd amendment in 70 years

All the other decisions were lower courts. The NYT is lying through it's nasty yellow teeth.

If guns kill people, then...

Hammers cause brusing
Cars cause accidents
Pens misspell words
Computers cause porn
etc.

 

The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.

Re: "The decision will no

Re: "The decision will no doubt add significantly to the number of Americans killed by gun violence..."  Like citizens who chose to rob a Subway or break into a house. 

You have no idea

All the horrors that were supposed to happen in Florida after the various right to carry bill's that have passed over the years. If all that drivel was true, there would be no Florida residents alive today. Instead, a whole lot of trees had to die to put this crap out

So what happened in Florida -- the crimes rate went down, down and down some more. The predictions from the loonies were wrong, wrong and wrong again.

Comrade Obama exposes the usual liberal tripe which has been the mainstay of those wanting to take over other people's lives for eons. As Justice Scalai said, you never know when tyranny will arrive -- be prepared.

This is just proof that

This is just proof that some people pick their political allies first, then warp their brain to adopt whatever positions to align with their friends. When the NYTimes calls Obama conservative, it has nothing to do with a political philosophy. It's just that he agreed with a position that the NYTimes' friends don't like.

It's usually just an expression, but when debaters use the phrase "no doubt," it can reveal that the debater simply hasn't thought about the issue, and simply takes it for granted. That's true in this case. The NYTimes has no doubt, because they just take it for granted. No doubt reveals no thought.

Joe Horn, Texas

 Joe Horn, Texas; My kinda gun control. Horn had good control of his shotgun. Two theives will not break into any more homes to steal. abc an ole dianne sawyer caint get over it, they did a second piece on it this morning, but seemed a little bit unsure of how to spin it.

kilrod

Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier

THE LOUDER YOU SCREAM, THE FASTER HE FLOPS

"... I believe the Second Amendment is an individual right." This statement is a contradiction of the highest order. Leftists only believe in GROUP rights.

5 out of 4 liberals can't do fractions. 

the liberal left's next legal move...........

....restrict the sale of all ammunition.buy now, while you can and buy plenty.

lieing liars

"After seven decades of holding that the Second Amendment’s right to bear arms is tied to raising a militia, the court reversed itself..."

No Federal Court decision determined the milita phrase meant today's military and had it stand. Some lower courts tried but were overruled, usually on other facts in the case. In addition, the whole part of that argument revolved around redefining 'militia' so that instead of all able bodied civilian citizens it somehow morphs into regular uniformed military such as Guard or Reserves. The Supreme Court has NEVER ruled on the individual versus collective right in the 2nd (until now). Much commenting has gone on, but no determination has been made at the National level until now.

But then... what else do you expect from the MSM?

Correct me if I am wrong but

didn't the NYT endorse John McCain and Hillary Clinton? Which means that they preferred McCain over Obama? Now they are endorsing Obama over McCain by saying that we are doomed if McCain is elected?

So now Obammy is more conservative than McCain?

I really don't think the NYT gives a hoot about the Constitution

or the Amendments within it. They just have a liberal wish list that can't be fullfilled with out a liberal President.

I don't understand..

Is that not called a flipflop?

Or is it fearmongering?

So confused..............

 

 

 

The 2ND Amendment exists to secure the rest