Can Andrea Mitchell Really Believe Clark Was Freelancing on McCain?

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Andrea Mitchell depicts Wesley Clark's cracks about John McCain's heroism as a gaffe.  Bloopers that will cost him any chance of being picked for the Obama veep slot.  But surely the seasoned MSM hand knows better than to imagine that Clark was freelancing.  Clark's were anything but impromptu remarks, made, say, late at night to a foreign reporter in a hotel cocktail lounge in some far-flung land.  To the contrary, Clark took his shots in the brightest of limelights—those of a Sunday morning talk show—speaking with the venerable Bob Schieffer.  Clark was explicitly there as an Obama campaign surrogate. 

Moreover, Clark had made similar comments before, as a guest on Morning Joe earlier this month [YouTube of earlier appearance].  So the Obama campaign was well aware of his views. If it had any qualms about him expressing them, surely he would have been warned off.  Thus, far from representing a gaffe, Clark's comments must be seen as reflecting Barack Obama's calculated strategy—and that is precisely how the McCain campaign has interpreted them.

So why would Andrea Mitchell turn up on Morning Joe today lambasting Clark for his "stupid" and "dumb" remarks?  You don't suppose she was trying to inoculate Obama, give him cover, some plausible deniability, so that the remarks get the maximum attention without Obama's fingerprints being seen on them?

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Here's how it went down on Morning Joe today [note: the Face the Nation clip of Clark was actually aired after Andrea's comments, but I've placed it before so people can see precisely what he said]:

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MIKA BRZEZINSKI: I also want to get to General Wesley Clark. He's doing it again Andrea [Mika is shown in her what-the-heck? moment].  Willie, I, I, he did this on our show—we're going to play the bite—he's going after McCain's military experience and somewhat undermining it. It just doesn't, I don't understand why he's doing this.

WILLIE GEIST: Well, he says that having been shot down in battle does not qualify you to be good or strong on foreign policy.  Bob Schieffer called him out on that, and he continued after, he said this is not a qualification to be president, being shot down, which of course John McCain was. Here's how McCain's campaign responded, saying this:

If Barack Obama's campaign wants to question John McCain's' military service, that's their right. But let's please drop the pretense that Barack Obama stands for a new type of politics. The reality is he's proving to be a typical politician who is willing to say anything to get elected, including allowing his campaign surrogates to demean and attack John McCain's military service record.

Mika let out an audible "ouch" in the midst of Willie's reading of the McCain campaign response.

BRZEZINSKI: Andrea, do they have a point there?

ANDREA MITCHELL: Mika, you said earlier "is this fair?"  Well, not only isn't it fair, probably, but one could ask: is it politically stupid?

BRZEZINSKI: Ya-h-h-h.

MITCHELL: Because every time you hear Barack Obama talk about John McCain and most recently Hillary Clinton on Friday in Unity, New Hampshire, echoing it, they say "we honor his service."  That is the predicate for of course taking a shot at him in some other very, you know, substantive way at least. But this is going after the very thing that Barack Obama and all of his people have been very careful not to touch.  They have not criticized his military service because they think it will backfire, clearly, to do that, and maybe they even feel that way. So for Wes Clark as a surrogate to go after John McCain is really dumb, I think.  It goes against everything the Obama campaign has been trying to do, and I think it's going to have some ramifications. One thing I can tell ya is: it certainly means he's not going to be on that short list for Vice-President.

BRZEZINSKI: I'm thinkin' not.

When Harold Ford came on later in the hour, he confirmed that this was not the first time Clark had made such comments.

HAROLD FORD: General Clark made many of these comments or similar comments on Morning Joe just a few weeks ago when he was on.

BRZEZINSKI: That's right.

So Andrea Mitchell paints a picture of a renegade Wesley Clark, saying "dumb" and "stupid" things that run contrary to "everything the Obama campaign has been trying to do."  I'd say the McCain campaign has it right in imputing Clark's comments directly to Obama.  When you send a guy out there on a Sunday show, and he repeats what he's said before, that's not a mistake—it's reading from the script.

Dispatch from the Department of Unintentional Humor: Andrea's speculation that rather than simply being a cynical campaign ploy, when the Obama people speak of honoring McCain's service, they might actually mean it.

—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.


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"We honor his service" is the lie

and patronizing is the effect.

I admire SOBama as a black man for getting so far up the political ladder but being BLACK is not a qualification for being President of the United States!!!!!!!

just sayin

By the way Andrea  knows EXACTLY what she is saying and doing. She is in the tank for and with SOBama and will cover his fanny at every turn.

Delsa... Bingo to all of

Delsa...

Bingo to all of your comment...

I do want to add that Obama knew exactly what was going to be said yesterday with Clark on Face the Nation...they were preparing for his so-called patriotic phony speech today in Independence Missouri.

Phony all the way around here with all involved as far as I am concerned.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

So I guess "we honor his

So I guess "we honor his blackness..." or we honor his Africa- Americaness"

before he say anything about him,

 

 

A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
 -Gerald Ford

Even dumb Mika and Smug

Even dumb Mika and Smug Andrea were taken aback by the sheer stupidity of Clark's comments.

Wrapp your brain around that for a moment.  Wes Clark is dumber than Mika Brzezinski.

 

Except, PD, I don't believe

Except, PD, I don't believe Clark was freelancing.  If he was being dumb, so was the Obama campaign, but Andrea was making as if he had gone off the reservation. I don't believe it.

Clark was promoting himself

With respect, Mark, I disagree. You may be right, but my suspicion is that Clark was promoting himself as much as he’s trashing McCain on Obama’s behalf. He’s trying to push the idea that as a military commander, he has the skills to be president. Clark was overjoyed that Schieffer mentioned that Obama doesn’t have any experience either, because that allowed Clark to seem superior to both candidates. Lurking behind everything that Clark says is the suggestion that since he was a general, he has what both Obama and McCain lack. It's purely self-serving.

What Clark fails to grasp is that military experience isn’t about skills, it’s about the credibility of one’s devotion to country. Patriotism gives the candidate the benefit of the doubt. George McGovern could always be criticized for the illogic of his proposals, but he was a highly decorated pilot in World War II – no one could (justifiably) attack him for his devotion to his country. Same goes for Dole and almost every other candidate, even Kerry (although Kerry threw away much of that credibility when he threw the medals over the White house fence and testified against his fellow soldiers).

Military service and executive experience are two different issues that Clark tries to pass off as one, because he (Clark) has both. In the process of promoting himself, though, Clark can't help but demean the value of McCain's service. As usual, Clark's ambition has more control over his jaw than does his brain.

Dead on target

Clark is a bottom feeder, always has been. He has been trying to get into a powerful political position for years without having to go through the usual channels like an election. Just another narcissistic wannabe. He was fired as a Field Commander and has never forgotten it. An unashamed opportunist who is pandering in an effort to make himself appear significant. His words however, show he is too stupid to be anything than what he is. I suspect that anyone who can remember his past efforts are not fooled by his latest efforts of self promotion. He is another one who has changed parties and alligence more than once but all for self gain. I also suspect that is how he got so far in the military. Having spent most of my life in the military I have seen more than my fair share of such boot lickers. Unfortunately, some are promoted on up the ladder until it is too late to scuttle them. Generally, they are poor leaders and make all of their decisions based on how it will promote them and their careers. They have a tendency to get people killed needlessly along the way. It is disgusting to watch someone with his credentials lower themselves and what remains of their dignity to humping another person leg as we see here.

Agreed, Doug

Clark is dangerous, the supreme self-promoter, the ultimate snake oil salesman. 

The man has no shame.  I am truly hoping that his latest verbal outrage will shove him off the stage for a while.  People really don't like it when a POW is disparaged.  I mean REALLY DON'T LIKE IT.  Particularly when it's done by a politcal opportunist.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

And, Wes Clark was fired for being dangerous, Blonde..

And,  Wes Clark was fired for being dangerous, Blonde..

AMERICAN MORNING - CNN
Interview With Former Defense Secretary William Cohen, October 7, 2003  by Bill Hemmer (ah, the good ole days for CNN) - (my bold):

HEMMER: Another question on politics. Wesley Clark was NATO commander at the same time you were secretary of defense. He's now running for the White House. There is a lot of talk inside of Washington that there was friction between you and Wesley Clark at the time. Whether that is true or not, do you believe he would make a good president? 

COHEN (Sec of Defense William Cohen]: Well, there was friction between General Clark and myself. And frankly, I think it would be inappropriate for me to comment on his political aspirations. I made a judgment during the time that he was serving as head of NATO, SACEUR, and I felt that the ax, as such, when it fell spoke for itself."



Also the New Yorker ran a full expose' in Nov. 2003, GENERAL CLARK’S BATTLES

To this day, Clark's supporters on the street remain unaware of his own troubled past, and that's because the MSM censored the news. gary

Ref: Linked on Drudge - NY Times (Int'l Herlald
Tribune)..

From the Int'l Tribune piece: "Bob Schieffer, noted to Clark that McCain had been shot down over Hanoi, Clark replied, "I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president."

When Schieffer then asked what executive responsibility Obama had held - the Democrat's résumé includes work as a community organizer ...."

Yeah, Gary,

That old ax made a pretty loud statement.  Too bad the MsM is too preoccupied with their agenda to notice. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Great link, thanks

Gary,

Great link to the New Yorker article. It say is it all, going all the way back to when Clark was in West Point. Appears he was a Staff Officer most of his career rather than in front lines and got a lot of his last promotions through political appointments rather than promoted through the Army's Chain of Command, up to and including Supreme Allied Commander, Europe where he fell on his own sword during the Kosovo / Bosnia War. Good read, appreciate the post. Clears up a lot of questions about Clark. Reveals that Clark is not stupid, just criminally arrogant and politically tone deaf.

Thanks doug..

Thanks doug.. here's hoping that someone in the MSM reads it. Gary

"What Clark fails to

"What Clark fails to grasp is that military experience isn’t about skills, it’s about the credibility of one’s devotion to country."

KC:

You post some of the most insightful thoughts on this forum.  I look forward to your posts because I oftentimes learn something.  But I respectfully disagree with the above statement.

Former military personel are highly regarded for their discipline and "can-do" attitudes.  NCO's and officers, in general, are regarded in the business world as having organizational, motivational, anticipatory, and leadership skills which were honed by their military experience.  Of course there are exceptions and not everyone has the same level of skills and desirability, eg W. Clark, but by and large, former military are valued for a presumption of abilities, consistency and dependability.

I agree with your point

Clark was trying to undermine the political value of McCain's service, because McCain wasn't an executive. But the political value of McCain's service lies in his courage and sacrifice for his country, not for any skills. We honor McCain's service for what it says about his heart, not for his head.

However, that being said, I never intended to leave the impression that the military doesn't teach valuable skills. I certainly don't believe that, and if I clumsily left that impression, then I'm not the writer you think I am (LOL! - thanks for the compliment, though).

Thank you for the

Thank you for the clarification.

Most of us post on NB as a form of Primal Scream Therapy.  Your writing, however, seems to be on a bit of a different tack. 

Have you considered writing for more formal publication?   Your clear, concise and insightful writing would be enjoyed by many.  Maybe a guest article or two on NewsBusters would help expand your horizons and share your clarity with others.

Hello, Mr. Sheffield?

(Where's Fran Drescher as the Nanny when you need her)

Appreciate the plug

A few years ago, I sweated for hours on some 750-word articles, until I refined them to the point of unmatched perfection, and then sent them into different publications. They weren't picked up. After all, I'm sure that websites and magazines get thousands of entries every day, and it's unrealistic to expect them all to recognize my genius. (Heck, my wife and kids don't recognize it. LOL!) I'm not the type to lose sleep over that, so in the true spirit of capitalism, I decided that it's pointless to resist the market. That made my beer taste better.

The deeper explanation, however, is that I really don't want to be a journalist. I prefer to be a citizen who contributes to the communal conversation about public affairs, and that's all. I don't want to be a blogger or a journalist or a reporter or a pundit. I especially don't want to start a blog because with your own blog you have to clean up the trolls and the profanity. I'd rather stick that job on someone else (sorry NB staff). Frankly, NewsBusters is perfect for me, along with (I'm sure) many others here. On this site, I can submit my comments, and if people like them, great. If not, I don't have to worry about losing a job. Besides, I'd rather start a good conversation where others can join in, rather than pretend to be the final word on everything. I make my argument, like casting bait, and hope I get some nibbles. That's enough for me. 

On the other hand, how much ya willin' to pay? I threw away shame a long time ago ...

KC... On the other hand,

KC...

On the other hand, how much ya willin' to pay? I threw away shame a long time ago ...

Well you already know I love ya'...and all your posts, told you that long ago..but you have me cracking up laughing with your last line!

Now that is humorous!

 

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

BT...I was afraid KC might

BT...I was afraid KC might get an inflated opinion of himself if I complimented him. 

I'll have a couple of Brothers from John Carroll University bring him back to terra firma if need be using the time-tested Jesuit way - religion, education and boxing!  ;-)

KC... It's all good.  What do those highfalutin editors know anyway.  Oh well.  My 10% manager's fee will have to wait for some other budding columnist. (lol)

Keep writing and we'll keep reading. 

RRAM Tough! 

Neither do I, Mark. Obama

Neither do I, Mark.

Obama continues to expect John McCain to be responsible for every comment made by Republicans, yet he wants to be seen as having no control over anyone connected with him (How many other things has he blamed on his "staff" or his "aides"?)

OK, Gen. Clark, let's agree that his POW status doesn't make him qualified for the Presidency. Let's do it on even ground. Would Sen. Obama like to compare Senate experience and records?

 

Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson

Mark - I agree, Clark is

Mark - I agree, Clark is acting as an Obama surrogate.  That being said, it is useful to speculate on his motivation.  I think his current political ambitions continue to drive him - POTUS, SECDEF, SECSTATE - perhaps not a seat in the Senate because I'm not convinced that even he thinks that he is electable.  Love him or hate him, there is no deying that Clark is a Machiaveliian and complex man who takes palace intrigue with his eggs and bacon every morning.  People like that tend to outsmart themselves, which makes them look very, very, stupid.

Campaign Surrogate

I'm confused. Isn't Andrea Mitchell an Obama campaign surrogate. She sure sounds like one. Why does she claim to work for NBC News?

As for Clark, his poor judgment led to his removal as allied commander in the Bosnian encounter after he ordered allied forces to attack Russian soldiers.  The latest is just another example of why his ambition exceeds his reach.

While the Obama campaign may not have checked each word, they had him out there as a surrogate. So Clarks words don't refect well on them either.

Up until $4.00 a gallon gas, Obama had owned ecomic policy. Now he is caught between a rock and a liberal place. Perhaps they think they can knock McCain a few pegs down on foreign policy?

wes clark is dumber than mika

clark has no standing when it comes to challenging mccain's character. he was sh*tcanned as supreme allied commander/europe, during the clinton presidentcy, for charactor flaws.a family trait i might add.

So true, Pesky

And Clark's insinuation that commanding a naval fighter squadron was no great shakes is a huge insult, as well.

Seriously, what has Obama commanded other than a seat in a pew in a racist church?  The choir?  Riigghhhttt...... 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Blonde - Thanks.  We can

Blonde - Thanks.  We can all recognize that having obtained the rank of a 4-star, Clark is knowledgeable when it comes to managing large organizations, and that takes a certain type of smarts.  However, like a number of people in the Obama camp, his mouth seems to run ahead of his brain.  The gaffs just won't stop. Its as if he's snaping his head left and right, going, "What?  What did I say?" 

For this reason, I don't think Obams will get elected.  There's just so much crap piling up that the MSM can't filter it all out.  Think Dukasis' tank moment (pre-internet/ 24-hour news cycle,  amaxingly enough), Gore taking credit from everything good that has ever happened, Kerry's bunny suit, etc.

At some point, I think there is an element within the MSM that gets fed up with covering for so much and just gives up.  It took 17 years for the MSM to abandon the Clintons.  I would not be surprised if this marriage between the Obamas and the alphabet soup networks goes sour a lot sooner, say by October, simply because it is getting so darn difficult to keep covering for them.     

Clark may have been a 4 star

But I witnessed first hand how certain members of his generation got promoted, and it wasn't pretty.  And he's proved everything I've ever thought about politically oriented-officers, every time he's opened his mouth.  I just wonder how many careers of good officers he's ruined to get to where he got?

I believe Clark was angling at a couple of things here...(1) Disparage McCain's service compared to his own exhalted rank....after all, McCain only reached O-6, not the ultimate O-10 (although McCain never got fired for his arrogance, did he?) and (2) Subtly point out his candidate's lack of all experience military, ergo sum, Clark is the only choice for V.P. on a Bambi ticket.

Back-fired on both accounts.  And you are correct, even the neuron-challenged Mika was aghast at Clark's idiocy, and didn't even try to support it or spin it.  Which was a first.  Rats abandoning a sinking ship, I love it.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

ditto

ditto

Oh, Pesky, that's saying

Oh, Pesky, that's saying something...Roofus, my Bagle (hybrid beagle/bassett) is not as stupid as Mika. And he's as dumb as a bag of hammers...

Andrea is not the sharpest

Andre is not the sharpest knife in the drawer either. But she is out to get a Dem elected, even it is BO.

Wesley Clark has said that George Soros is

an American Patriot.

Enough said...

Clark's: Lack of Integrity

Of Wesley Clark General Hugh Shelton said in 2004 that the reason Clark was relieved prematurely of his command in Europe were “integrity and character issues.”

It should not be surprising that two surrogates of Obama, Kerry and Clark, have both taken very low blow shots at McCain – the latter questioning his military service. This coming from two people whose own character and integrity during their military service has come into question. 

That's my recollection

That's my recollection also. The thing that sticks out with me is that not one single peer of Clark's--three and four star retired generals-- endorsed him in his candicacy. Powell, Schwarzkopf, etc, none of them. That is a very big deal. Those folks know each other very well, usually. They knew Clark's baggage, and could in no way support him.

The other incident I remember when Clark was a candidate is that, for reasons known only to him, I suppose, he felt he had to have Madonna's support... yes, THAT Madonna. And he went to the UK to chat with her about it. The guy is a loon, through and through.

Clark in 2006

Let's not forget what Clark said in 2006. He was apparently referring to the Swift Boat campaign against Jean-Claude Kerry two years earlier.

“I live by a simple rule. If you wore the uniform, if you served your nation with honor, and especially if you fought and were wounded in battle, then you have earned the right to be treated with respect.”

“That’s why I am so outraged that the Republican party has systematically attacked the wartime service and patriotism of veterans who are running for office as Democrats. It is despicable—the sign of a party more concerned about hanging onto power by any means possible than with giving veterans the respect they have earned.”

General Wesley Clark, October 2006

Ouch! Better put some ice on that, Wes.

In the Outback

Democrats are like the Outback. No rules, just feelings.

Ouch! Better put some ice

Ouch! Better put some ice on that, Wes.

ROFL!!

Game, set, match!

 

Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson

Del, Rush just played

Del, Rush just played another clip from that speech, in which he extols Kerry's service, says that that is exactly the combination of character, courage and patriotism that is needed in a Commander-in-Chief.

Oh yeah....that explanation is no longer operative.....

 

Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson

Aaaarrrrgg...gag me with a

Aaaarrrrgg...gag me with a Kabar! Kerry's military service is anything but good. In my view, he is a coward and the only reason he patroled where he was supposed to, was his crew forced him to.
 

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Correction: The clip Rush

Correction: The clip Rush played was not from the 2006 speech; it was from Clark's speech introducing Kerry at the 2004 Dem convention.

 

Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson

motherbelt, Agree, see my

motherbelt,

Agree, see my comments above. I didn't read far enough before I made my comments. Thanks.

Retired General Clark is


Retired General Clark is not exactly the person that I would send out to represent anyone. He was fired from his job as Supreme Allied Commander Europe, his last job.  His boss, Joints Chief of Staff, retired General Shelfton had this to say, “I’ve known Wes for a long time,” Shelton said. “I
will tell you the reason he came out of Europe early had to do with integrity
and character issues, things that are very near and dear to my heart. . . ."

 

Ponder this......

He was fired by Bill Clinton.  Just how bad does your integrity and character have to be to get Mr. Integrity and Character himself to give you a pink slip?

Mind boggling.

Postatem obscuri lateris nescitis

I think it's a contrived strategy

One Obamaniac comes on a talk show and spews stupid.  The second Obamaniac throws themselves on a sword for the Obamessiah.  Therefore the responsibility is removed from the Obamessiah and the stupid that was spewed still lingers.

Brilliant. 

Postatem obscuri lateris nescitis

Despicable

That any former service member, much less a retired 4-star general, would denegrate anyone's military service, whether it be a retired Colonel, a junior grade officer who got out of the service after 6 years, or a specialist who got out after 3, is truly despicable. 

As a retired Army officer I never had much to say about Kerry's service in Vietnam (as opposed to his traitorous behavior after he returned) because he was there, and I wasn't, and I was not about to judge anyone's behavior in a combat zone.

In Clark and McPeak Obama has a couple of real winners and having them around is an indicator of what kind of people he will surround himself with. 

Pathetic and down right scary.

Note how the "dean" of CBS reporters....

...phrased the statement and Clark's response.

Schieffer noted that Obama did not have any of those experiences either nor he has he "ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down."

"Well, I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president," Clark said.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/30/clark.mccain/index.html

That's right, McCain was on a joy ride when he got shot down.

Good grief.

 

I have come to the

I have come to the conclusion that there must be something seriously wrong with Wesley Clark. The way he conducts himself is the antithesis of every other military man who appears on television. How can anyone be so relentlessly nasty and stupid, let alone a supposedly disciplined ex-member of the military? It's like he goes out of his way to be contrary against the service he now uses for his fame and credibility. This is a bitter and nasty man, who the media uses to show that the liberal side can wear a uniform (for all the good that does).

Chris, I agree. It's not

Chris, I agree. It's not Alzheimer's though. It may just be some other sort of dementia.

marpel, It's almost like he

marpel, It's almost like he does everything as some kind of revenge - except you'd think he would direct his ire towards Bill Clinton, who relieved him, but, no. There's more here than personal political philosophy - he strikes me as having some screws loose.

Chris, he's either got a

Chris, he's either got a dementia of some sort, he's just plain crazy or he's being paid by Mr. Soros as, I'm finding out, a lot of people are. Soros is a big driving force and, I think, more so than in years past. I hope the GOP is staying very aware of that Communist...

OMG!!! They're trying to Swift Boat McCain!!!

OMG!!! They're trying to Swift Boat McCain!!!

That's what McCain and Co should yell, if for no other reason than to mock the perpetual victim of the evil, racist, swift-boating right, Barack Obama.

McCain should create a "Stop the smears being made by Obama against McCain" website. It would be a lot more justifiable than Obama's widely/favorably reported "stop the smears" site.

Include all the crap about Obama stating repeatedly that McCain wants 100 years of war in Iraq, Obama's remarks disparaging the troops in Afghanistan who, according to him, are just killing civilians, Obama trashing Bush and then, in the next breath, saying McCain is "the same as Bush", and the loads of smears being spewed by the likes of Clark, moveon.org and other Obama surrogates in the media and on the web.

Even though I saw this, I

Even though I saw this, I had to turn off Morning Joe today. Mika must have taken a talking stupid pill last night. I just wasn't up for listening to her today.
She was really weighing on my nerves this a.m., and I had to change the channel.

Mika doesn't take stupid

Mika doesn't take stupid pills. She has an IV pump filled with stupid serum.

I'm guessing that Obama used

I'm guessing that Obama used Clark to test-fire this line of attack, and now is relying on his usual horde of apologists (AKA the MSM) to give him cover.

Obambi has so many little minions scurrying around doing his bidding. He reminds me of that geek in "Willard".

I can't stand it...

I'm as mad as any of you with this popinjay Wesley Clark's absolutely outlandish remarks regarding John McCain's military record.

But I just can't stand not mentioning the routine and continuing absence of Joe Scarborough from his own show even after his contract was rewritten. (And yes I know his wife is having a difficult pregnancy and I will counter with remote studio in home and/or use of Pensacola's fine facilities for broadcasting)

Could it be that even Joe doesn't want to be on his own show if he has to share it with the likes of Mika, Andrea or Chris Matthews?

Okie, you are so right.

Okie, you are so right. It's unwatchable w/o ol' Joe.

marpel... Yep, I turned

marpel...

Yep, I turned it after I found out Joe wasn't on....again.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

In contrast, I am more

In contrast, I am more likely to watch when O'Reilly isn't on The Factor - unless his guest host is John Kasich - who I've lately noticed is almost bad as O'Reilly when it comes to stepping on his guest's answers.

Man, Chris, I find myself

Man, Chris, I find myself agreeing w/ you again. I cannot take Bill O'Reilly anymore. I listen to the opening statement, and then I'm outta there. Kasich is not as bad, but he's boring as all heck, and I think that is why he's starting to interrupt the guests. Apparently, O'Reilly thinks that's the answer to keeping viewers and he must have suggested to Kasich that he do it also. So wrong. My brother, who was a huge O'Reilly fan at one time, is now tuning out also. He said he wants to pull his gun out and shoot the TV everytime O'Reilly does it. If I go over to his house around O'Reilly time, he's usually watching a soccer game in Spanish instead...LOL And we're not Spanish.

"Man, Chris, I find myself

"Man, Chris, I find myself agreeing w/ you again"

Not to worry, Marpel - it's a growing trend. Soon , everyone will agree with me! :)

As for O'Reilly, I think he thinks that people only want to hear him pontificate and his guests are merely props - they should sit there and listen to him lecture them. He says he cuts off people only when they get long-winded, but over the years, he cuts them off before they can say ten words. Then, he starts telling them what he thinks "has to be done". I wonder what's going through some of these people's minds, as he lectures them.

Hi, Bigtimer, I was hoping

Hi, Bigtimer, I was hoping they were going to say where Joe was but I couldn't take listening to them while I waited around to hear. I just figured it was his typical "not coming in on a Monday" thing that happens more times than not. Usually Mondays and/or Fridays, Joe's not there. I understand if the wife is in labor, but then that means WEEKS w/o ol' Joe, I'm sure.

marpel/Chris... Oh heck

marpel/Chris...

Oh heck who knows...his wife can't still be in labor...I understand if there are other problems I suppose, I just think there is more going on behind the scenes than we know...

I also notice that Gregory isn't hosting his new afternoon show as much...the air-head leftist Maddow has been for air-amerika...

No, the network is just going further left before the election IMHO...which isn't going to be able to go any more left much longer. 

As to BOR...I quit watching him on and off long ago...just depends who he has on and what the subject is...and even I can't take him much then..his arrogance is getting the best of any class he once had IMHO.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

Clark

Wesley Clark is a political novice and lib hack who happens to be a retired four-star General.  I'm sure there are a few things he probably is an expert on, but John McCain's service is not one of them.  I can't get over these liberal veterans always wanting to question the validity of someone else's military service.  I don't see conservatives doing this.  Also, as a retired USAF fighter pilot I take offense at a ground-pounder automatically assuming his service is superior because he was a grunt.  It takes all of the armed services working together to achieve the goal and accomplish the mission.

Good post

Exactly! Wesley apparently does not know much about fighter Aircraft; thinking McCain was "riding" in it. Pretty sure the pilot has plenty of things to do while enjoying the ride and view, meanwhile someone is shooting SAMs at your a**. I doubt Wesley ever put his boney butt anywhere near the action.

To be fair

Clark commanded an infantry company in Vietnam and was wounded in a firefight.  He was also awarded a Silver Star.

None of the above of course excuses him for minimizing what McCain went through and frankly makes it even worse since they were both wounded in the service of their country.

I don't get it.

Fair enough

I don't get it either and he should know better then. Makes it all the more self serving on his part.

Hawgdrvr...I cant count the

Hawgdrvr...I cant count the number of times that the Air Force pulled me out of the fire and gave me the chance to jump back into the frying pan. My biggest complaint is that they never droped me any of the chow they were getting:-)

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

With all do respect....Clark

With all do respect....Clark had nothing but praise for John Kerry's military service and stated that his experience was exactly what the Country needed in a President. Clark's statement on Face the Nation was rehearsed he knew exactly what he was going to say. Indeed a true picture of his character.

Hi msh.... A true picture

Hi msh....

A true picture of his character indeed...

I could not stand him every single morning he was on during the Kosovo pressers...he was a despicable little creature to me then...he hasn't changed a lick to this day.

He makes me ill.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

bigtimer, I think in my

bigtimer,

I think in my heart I would really like to smack him! LOL! I think I might feel better.

Wesley Clark criticising McCain's record and patriotism

John McCain may not be perfect, but I would be willing to bet the farm that he did not murder by burning alive 52 innocent victims, including women and children at Waco as Wesley Clark and Janet Reno did, directed of course by Slick Willy Clinton.