Obama, Liberal? Don't Make Maddow Laugh

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Barack Obama, liberal? Surely you jest. Rachel Maddow found the suggestion so silly, she literally burst out laughing. The Air America host was part of this evening's panel on Race for the White House. David Gregory couldn't complete his reading of Rich Lowry's take on Obama before Maddow let loose.

DAVID GREGORY: Let's go to Smart Take #2. This is Rich Lowry from National Review Online, he's also talking [in a NY Post column] about Obama [emphasis added]:

Obama represents a rejection of triangulating Clintonism. He had no Sister Souljah moment during the primaries. Indeed, he initially embraced his Sister Souljah, in the form of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, introduced to the public in videotaped anti-American rants. Nor did Obama make any creative policy departures, like Clinton's advocacy of welfare reform in 1992. Obama is the fullest flowering of liberal orthodoxy since George McGovern. And yet his candidacy might not be electoral suicide. He has formidable gifts as a politician; he's eloquent, winsome, a quick study. He confronts a Republican Party that, beset by intellectual exhaustion, congressional scandal and an unpopular incumbent president, teeters on the verge of a Watergate-style meltdown. So Democrats contemplate the delicious prospect of having their purity and victory, too.

As Gregory speaks the words "Obama is the fullest flowering of liberal orthodoxy since George McGovern," Maddow can be heard laughing off camera. When Maddow's turn came to comment, she tried to make the case that Obama doesn't make it as a real liberal.

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RACHEL MADDOW: I think if this was a pure liberal candidacy we'd be talking about single-payer healthcare, we'd be talking about prosecuting members of the current administration for war crimes, we'd be talking about abolishing the death penalty. I mean, I can dream up a liberal candidacy for you. I would have to dream it, though, because Barack Obama is not that guy. I love the caricature, but it's so far from the truth.

So in Maddow's book, anything short of Dennis Kucinich is no real liberal. Even by that high standard, Obama might well qualify, given his most-liberal-voting-record in the Senate, and his history of pro-choice absolutism, and support for abolishing the death penalty and banning the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.

Note: Philly radio talk show Michael Smerconish host was presumably there to provide some Republican balance, but wound up reinforcing Rachel.

MICHAEL SMERCONISH: It's not an analogous situation to 1972. And he didn't embrace Sister Souljah, he defined himself in contrast to Jeremiah Wright when that scandal broke.

Maddow can be seen giving an approving nod—with good reason.

My two cents: We might be tempted to laugh off Maddow's risible attempt to portray Obama as other than the liberal he is. But it is surely nothing less than the opening volley of a MSM campaign to paint Obama as a "centrist" or "moderate," much as it has done on behalf of virtually every Dem prez candidate

—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.


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Maddow

Reminds me of a trained seal.They know the right response on cue also.

All together now: Obama is

All together now: Obama is not a liberal. Obama is not a liberal. Obama is not a liberal.

 

Mother, I agree, Obama is not a liberal

He seems much more like a communist!

I expect the blacks to vote for him as they have voted blindly for liberal scum for decades....but what about the stupid white people?

Jeff Lebowski

www.angrywhitedude.c...

PROGRESSIVISM...

Hey Jeff,

You are getting warmer, & I too believe he is more of a communist/marxist then a liberal. The word liberal has been damaged by El-Rushbo & Hannity to such an extent that lefties describe themselves as PROGRESSIVE. The right wingers have successfully stigmatized the word so badly that the left does'nt use it, & it really does'nt fit the left. Being Liberal puts you closer to the political center then it does to the left. When you look into progressivism in America...

  http://en.wikipedia/org/wiki/Progressivism_in_the_United_States 

...you will see most of the people you would expect, & under the heading "Contemporary Progressivism", most of the headliners in the progressive movement are listed, Noam Chomsky, George Lakoff, Cornell West, Bernie Sanders, Ralph Nader, & BARACK OBAMA, as well as media types like Rachel Maddow, Thom Hartmann, Mike Malloy, & Al Franken, just to name a few. But they don't give enough credit to the Godfather of American Progressivism, Woodrow Wilson, when you look at his backround, you see how the Dems want go "back to the future"...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodrow_Wilson  

...you will notice that he he hated the "checks & balances" system we have, oversaw the start of the Federal Reserve Act in 1913(that has caused more trouble then it's been worth), introduced the INCOME TAX in 1913, introduced SEGREGATION, & pushed for the League of Nations in 1918, which failed & more or less became the United Nations, which also has/is/will always fail. This is just part of the story of the real start of "progressivism" in America.

Here is the deal, the political scale has shifted, & the way I see it is as follows, going from left to right on your screen...

Marxist<-->Progressive<-->Liberal<-->Moderate<-->Conservative<-->Strict Constitutionalist

...& in this years election season, we have a harline progressive who would pave the way to a marxist gov't, & a liberal republican who in the first half of his senate career was very conservative, while the second half he has been one of the biggest RINOS on Capital Hill. There is no actual conservative who has a chance of winning The White House on the ballet.

So, after all of my not so pithy post, I actually agree with the ever so sexy Rachel Maddow, Obama is not a liberal, he's much further to the left then that.

 

 

 

 

 "...it's still We The People, Right?"  Megadeth 

Sexy?

You were batting a thousand........until the comment about giraffe neck. Gotta go shower.

I'M SORRY...

Thanks for the good score up until I mentioned the "ever so sexy" Ms. Maddow. I suppose it's becoming to me what "...my formally nicotine stained fingers" is to El-Rushbo, while shaking the papers in the golden EIB mic for effect & comic relief. I can't help myself.

 

"...it's still We The People, Right?"  Megadeth 

O is the fullest flowering of liberal orthodoxy since McGovern

He has socialist/marxist ideas and if you aren't poor he will raise your taxes and will have a lot of means tests.

We don't want him in the White House.

Liberals

Jefferson and Adams were liberals.

Obama is a Marxist.

maybe what Maddox means is

maybe what Maddox means is that Obama talks about "change" - where everything stays the same...?

Obama isn't a REAL Liberal ? well, how about UN-REAL ?

He may pale in Comparrison to Rachael....but just because he does't repeat the Stupid Liberal Kos Mantra, may mean he is Trying to Get Elected. 

After he Fails.....then he may be a more "pure" Liberal....

That wasn't even a real

That wasn't even a real laugh. 

I expect nothing less from

I expect nothing less from Smerc or Maddow...

You are so right Mark, the msm are already portraying him as a moderate, despite his voting record...and we have five months to go yet. 

Agenda, agenda, agenda...

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

War Crimes? Really?

Really are we going with the war crime thing? Name them.  Name the crimes, show us he proof and I will support you.  Short of that, go sit in the corner with Murtha and wait for your blanket party.

Thanks for mentioning that.

Thanks for mentioning that. I have heard "war crimes" for years now from the left, but I have yet to read any specific "war crime" this administration has committed.

Probably genicide. Of the

Probably genicide. Of the Husseins -- good!

And he lied. He controlled the CIA, which controls every other spy agency in the world. I know because I had this argument the other night. I told the guy, "No hard feelings, most of my friends are Liberals," and his response was, "I'm not a Liberal, I'm a realist." Yeah right.

And he took away our rights. And was selected not elected. 

  MSM - shaping all the perceptions you need to believe.

And that great intellect

And that great intellect Obama tells us he would cancel National Missle Defense . . . just when we have yet another successful test.

"Don't forget to vote this fall. Not for McCain, not ever, but there might be a Conservative Rep or Senator that Needs Your Vote" --Free Stinker

If Obama is elected, does

If Obama is elected, does anyone believe that people like Maddow won't be saying that it's a victory of liberalism (or progressivism) over conservatism?

He's not a liberal now, they claim.

But wait until he gets into office. It'll be a mandate, they'll say, for every liberal/left policy view since Eleanor Roosevelt was a baby.

Maddow has a point

Maddow was only pointing out that Obama's run does not represent a PURE liberal candidacy, and the examples she cites of policies that would mark such a hypothetical candidacy are valid. As we all know, presidential candidates seldom tack fully left or fully right, for obvious reasons. They have a broad electorate to appeal to. So what's the issue here, other than NewsBusters' tendency to label everything "far left" that does not fit some kind of bizarre Genghis Khan litmus test for acceptable political thought?

Thing is, no one but Maddow

Thing is, no one but Maddow said anything about him being a pure, 100% liberal candidate, making her point, well, pointless. It does not change the fact that he IS a far left liberal, nor does it change the fact that he has been rated as the most liberal member of Congress. And frankly, just because he hasn't made the issues she raises a part of his campaign message doesn't mean he doesn't believe in them. Liberals often keep their most radical beliefs to themselves, becaue they know it would be over before it even started if they didn't. If liberals were ever honest about what they believed in, they would never win.

  we'd be talking about

 

we'd be talking about single-payer healthcare, prosecuting members of the current administration for war crimes, we'd be talking about abolishing the death penalty- Maddow

A-D, Obama is in favor of abolishing the death penalty, no one is going to tout single-payer because they KNOW Americans won't buy it (but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be his first choice!) and war crimes is just a stupid idea that is a non-starter. What Maddow is talking about ranks "liberals" as way out on the left fringe.

I guess supporting abortion through right up until the moment of partial-birth, voting against the born-alive infants act and being in favor of abolishing the death penalty makes one what....a moderate?

motherbelt, You took the

motherbelt,

You took the words right out of my mouth...Obama is one of the only Senators who voted against the born-alive infant act. Can you imagine...a baby being born alive after a botched abortion and he is not in favor of trying to save it's live. I shutter....truly sick in my opinion.

That fact that bambi is a

That fact that bambi is a liberal should be repeated at every opportunity.  This isn't the first time that there has been an attempt to side-step bambi's ideology and political philosphy.

Now, will McCain grow a pair and to that?

Maddow and Smerconish

It's a straw man argument. They're arguing that since Obama isn't pushing all of the most liberal causes, he must therefore be considered a centrist. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

Smerconish's point is typical. Obama hasn't defined himself at all.  In fact, Obama scrupulously avoids definition. In this case, he just rejected the scandal. He hasn't explained what he really believes, or more importantly, why he believes it. (The why is important, because it proves whether he actually believes something, or whether it's just a policy of covenience.)

  • For example, Obama was asked about his tax plan during the debates, he answered that he was in favor of taxing the wealthiest upper class, but not the middle or lower class. No journalist challenged Obama as to what theory he was using to justify taking taxes from one group rather than another.
  • But when Charlie Gibson challenged Obama about the capital gains tax. Obama showed that his real motive for raising the capital gains tax was simple class egalitarianism. He wanted to take money from rich people because he didn't think that it was fair for some people to have more money than others.
  • Take that same theory back to the tax cuts. He wants to raise taxes on rich people because of that same egalitarianism. But no one is asking him what that implies -- it means that he thinks it's his right to dictate where money goes.

I'm from Philadelphia, but I'm no fan of Smerconish. He's not a conservative. He's just a hack Republican (big difference) who will abandon any conservative principle to gain a few poll numbers. He's like the Disney corporation; they sell family values, but if they can make a few bucks going against those values, they're open to the idea. Smerconish's brand of Republican is like that. He treats conservatism as something the GOP can sell, but if something else sells better, he'll drop conservatism. He used to promote his show with a radio soundbyte where he claimed that the pro-life platform was unpopular in the suburbs, so he wanted the GOP to abandon the pro-lifers. As he gets more play on MSNBC, he's morphing into a liberal.

Hi KC... I couldn't agree

Hi KC...

I couldn't agree more about Smerc...I have seen him on Imus in the Morning shows from way back as a guest, he came on now and then sounding as a real conservative when it was popular then...as time went on, it was obvious he would agree with anything Imus or anyone else said on the show that was a slam towards the Pres. or the war...especially Bernie...I got real sick of him real fast...I too have also posted he is no conservative in other posts here and there...he is a RINO.

Plain and simple.

He really grinds on me...I usually turn/mute it if he is speaking if I have the clicker...what a wimpy sell-out, what a soulless man to me. 

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

McClellan syndrome

Hey, bt. I agree - RINO is an apt description. 

It's the secret of the media that everyone knows. The power of the publisher (or broadcast network - they're basically the same thing) to publish what they want to publish will always trump the power of the author to write what he wants to write. If you want to write a book, you have to give the publishers what they want. If you want to appear on a network show, you have to give the network the perspective and opinion they want. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. After all, it is a business for profit, and the publisher has a right to take only the risks he wants to take. It is, however, something the reader should keep in mind. Caveat emptor, as always.

Of course, a guy like Pat Buchanan can go on MSNBC and talk to Chris Matthews, without having to surrender his conservatism. That's because Buchanan is already popular enough to attract a publisher, just for the sake of his popularity. He just has to avoid pissing off the host too much. But a guy like Smerconish has to get noticed first, and so he'll trade away as much ideology as it takes to get a little airtime.

That's the game. When you're willing to make tradeoffs about unnecessary things, we call that compromise. When you're willing to trade honor and integrity, we call that prostitution. Again, let the buyer beware.

Right, KC, I had forgotten

Right, KC, I had forgotten that capital-gains thing. When told that raising the rate would actually reduce tax revenues, he said he would still do it, "for the sake of fairness."

If taxing just for the sake of taking away from people who have a little bit more isn't liberal, then what the heck is??????

Exactly

Obama's attitude is that he's going to tax rich people more money simply because they have more. Would you accept that logic from a plumber? How would you like it if your taxi driver demanded to see your tax return before calculating your fare? If your salary is twice as much as the guy ahead of you in the supermarket line, should you pay twice as much for milk? But that's the essence of egalitarian liberalism. That's what Obama said when rejected the idea of cutting the capital gains tax. That is his tax theory - namely, that taxes are just a government mechanism to impose egalitarian uniformity.

I live near Philly...

...and I initially liked Smerconish on WPHT (the "Big Talker") but I agree w/the other commenters. He just seems to "play along to get along," at least on his various big media appearances. It just floors me that he agreed with Maddow about Obama.

(One plus for Smerconish, however: He is a HUGE fan of the band Yes and constantly plays their music as interludes during his broadcasts.)

He also scores points for

He also scores points for unabashedly supporting profiling of people who look like terrorists, and for his support of the Faulkner family.

His battle with Helen Thomas was also classic.

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

YES...

D.S.Hube,

Maybe it's just me, but Yes always struck me as a poor man's Rush. Yes is a talented & inovative band, but Rush seemed to be in the same place with a bigger audience. Maybe it's just me, & please take no offence. To each their own.

"...it's still We The People, Right?"  Megadeth 

Let's see, Obama is ok with

Let's see, Obama is ok with partial birth abortion, and he's not ok with saving the life of babies that somehow survived an abortion. I think he's liberal enough.

Beyond despicable is it not

Beyond despicable is it not ckc...

Of course the msm is never going to put facts like that on the airwaves/print....shhhh....

GOP going to bring this up in the next five months...or McCain? 

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

Hey BT...

"GOP going to bring this up in the next five months...or McCain?"

McCain...not, GOP maybe. Of course, McCain will then denounce the GOP and find a way to yet again reach across the aisle.

McCain continually amazes

McCain continually amazes me.  He was trained to be a warrior, yet he insists on going to a gunfight with a penknife.

He will need to define not only himself, but Mr. Obama as well.  He won't do it, but he should. 

Maybe he's aware of the

Maybe he's aware of the press treatment he would get. Any criticism of The Obamessiah would be a vicious, racist attack. 

  MSM - shaping all the perceptions you need to believe.

War Crimes

Just out of curiousity.... if these wackjob libs want to prosecute the current administration for war crimes, does this make every member of the U.S. Congress that voted to authorize the war equally as guilty as accessories?

Fascism is a religious conception in which man is seen in his imminent relationship with a superior law and with an objective will that transcends the particular individual - Mussolini

No, because Bush lied

No, because Bush lied and they are all clueless dupes and not responsible for their actions.

The war crimes charge is not

The war crimes charge is not only from Iraq. It is all 9-11 troof and the whole bushco involvement.

Obama is a closet

Obama is a closet Stalinist...when will the entire world see that?

STALINISM...

marpel, 

When will the world see Obama for what he is? When the 527 groups & talk radio what McCain won't do, expose this guy for what he is. If it's "racist" or "swiftboating", or pulling a "Willie Horton", so be it, it must be done.

If this does not happen, it will be when the pubic sees how bad the combo of Obama in The White House is with the Dems in control of both houses of Congress, then maybe the 2010 midterms, but at what cost?

 

"...it's still We The People, Right?"  Megadeth 

Libs are are dissociated

Libs are are dissociated from reality that they can convince themselves of anything.

YES...

Libs also are into revisionist history, they love controling the schools so they can try to scrub what they don't like about history but lying or omitting things.

"...it's still We The People, Right?"  Megadeth 

if that's where you live...

I've noticed that libs generally think that they are in the center politically. Maybe just a little liberal. They spend hours and days blowing this sunshine up each others skirts until they actually believe they are the real America.

I'm not sure at this time how a liberal would define a 'liberal'. How far to the left do you have to be and what would your political view look like????

They just know that the rest of us are right wing nutballs just trying to take away everyones Rights and scrapping the ("Living") Constitution in favor of slavery and removing women's right to vote, forcing you to go to a church, etc. Insanity.

Extremism Will Always Be The First Voice Heard

Ms Maddow is a four-square flake; loud, rude and off the wall. Let her drown out mega lib David Gregory. People are noticing, and you have to trust people to understand the truth, and react accordingly.

It's what saves this country at the end of the day, every day.

Rachel

Rachel doesn't consider her former AirAmerica colleague, Randi Rhodes, to be a liberal either. No, Randi's just another garden variety DRUNK and then Rachel can consider her other former AirAmerica colleague, Al Franken.  He's not a liberal either Rachel, just another garden variety TAX CHEAT.

Does Rachel know or work with any decent people or are they all liberals?

 

Gregory should choose his

Gregory should choose his words more carefully.

The phrase "fullest flowering" has always been closely associated with islam. Google it.

Unless he meant it like that. 

RE: fullest flowering

Wow. Never heard that before. Googled and found it. Creepy.

socialised medicine, NOT "single payer"

Every time someone says "single payer" that person needs to be asked what's the difference between than and socialised medicine. The only honest answer is that there's no difference whatsoever, and the media talking heads are trying to spin an unpopular concept with different terminology. I doubt anyone corrected Rachel, but someone needs to. Every time. We're already stuck with mostly-socialised medicine as it is, but the failures & expense naturally resulting from from partial government involvement are ironically used as arguments for MORE socialised medicine.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

How left is Obama?

The people  referring to Obama as a  "Communist" may not be employing as much hyperbole as one might think.

   A fairly good marker of where a politician really sits on the left right spectrum is their defense policy.   If you do a little research you will find that Obama has endorsed and been endorsed by members of the "congressional progressive caucus" in realtion to a plan to dramtically reduce the defense budget and dramtically cut thenations military strength almost to the point of unilateral disarmerment.  Obama does not talk about it to general audiences, but in front of fellow travlelers he makes it clear that the much of the money to finance his social welfare projects is going to come from the defense budget.

       It is important to remember that there are well financed powerful groups to the left of The Nation Magazine and the New York Times Editorial Page. 

     International Action, various"Peace" activists, Code Pink and other front organizations for the Socialist Workers Party and CPUSA [CP=Communist Party] plan, promote and organize most of the anti-war demonstrations and Cindy Shean type propaganda events. Note: much of the academic left is in this hard hard left category also.  

   Obama's recent speech to AIPAC indicates that his campaign has decided that he will simply tell bold faced lies rather than try to defend his true radical beliefs.

       He received standing ovations from AIPAC  members, there is no way anyone can please both Hamas and AIPAC.  The only way you accomplish this is lying to one or both parties.

 

RE:

SHE'S A MENTAL CASE!

and a bull dyke who used to look like a boy and now has been made over to seem middle of the road and mainstream lipstick lesbian to make it more easy to push her gay agenda. She really makes me sick.