Not sure that would be a winning campaign slogan for Barack Obama, but on today's Morning Joe, Mika Brzezinski expressed skepticism as to whether Americans really care about winning in Iraq. Mika made her comments in the course of touting Frank Rich's NYT column of yesterday [on which I commented here].
Brzezinski was clearly eager to make her point: after reading an extended excerpt from Rich's column and inviting comment from the panel, she didn't let a bemused John Harwood of CNBC/NYT get more than a few words out before cutting him off to express her own opinion.
MIKA BRZEZINSKI: Anyone want to comment?
JOHN HARWOOD: Well, I don't think Americans forgot Iraq --
BRZEZINSKI: You know what? I think Americans are tired of being duped, and I think this is coming back, from the McClellan book. I mean, everyone talks about how Americans want to win, want to win. I don't know so much with Iraq.
HARWOOD: Right. But if Frank's point is that Americans have been distracted from Iraq by the economy, and now this [the McClellan book] is going to bring them back, I just, I don't think they've forgotten it. I think they're sick of the war, however, the fact that it appears to be going better now is good for McCain; it lessens the headache.
BRZEZINSKI: Is it? Is it?
H/t reader CH.
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.
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Mon, 06/02/2008 - 07:45 ET by JWFThat is not bias. That is just cluelessness or lying.
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JFW...
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 08:00 ET by danybhoyMika is almost NEVER exposed to anything but uber liberals, so she really is not lying or really being clueless. Almost no eposure to things outside of the beltway or Manhattan.She comes off as naive & an elitist, not a good combo for a "journalist", but she looks good. In the end, isn't that what is most important?
"...it's still We The People, Right?" Megadeth
I hear ya. I hear ya.
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 08:35 ET by JWFBut she is presuming to speak on behalf of Americans. Americans do care about winning in Iraq, at least more than 50% I would think. She seems to think we all think like her and that would make her clueless.
Mika
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 12:07 ET by merlin61Sure Mika, Americans want to lose and have the
terrorists attack us again. Where did you leave
your brain? Oh, that's right you never had one.
Just another dim bulb.
Dems like Brzenzinski want to lose in Iraq
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 07:49 ET by Dee BunkIt's their whole goal to prove Bush wrong. It's going to backfire.
Now that the surge has worked, when Obama takes over, if Iraq falls apart it will be him and the Dems fault. If it succeeds Bush will get credit in History.
dee you nailed it. Iraq is
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 08:12 ET by Free Thinkerdee you nailed it. Iraq is a no win situation for the left which is precisley why they tried to declare our defeat years ago. It is too difficult to admit they were wrong so the subject continues to get changed. That history will judge President Bush so well just adds insult to injury. The success is undeniable at this point so only the truely partisan will try to declare otherwise and end up looking like fools as Mika has demonstrated so well this morning.
Dee
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 08:45 ET by well99OMG we agree.Reid and Pelosi will be crying in their sleep.Miki may have forgot but most Americans havent.The msm may not report what is going on over there but people know and care.
http://onthescene.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/05/30/changing-iraq-one-picture-at-a-time/
Wow Well - thanks for that link - it gave me chills
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 09:03 ET by Dee BunkWe have so many great caring soldiers and it's a shame how the media have portrayed them and this war.
I think we would probably agree on many things and I have no problems with truly independent people who don't go around insulting NB contributors and attacking people who are not PC enough for them.
I only have problems with liberals who think that this is just as much their site and they should be able to kick out or kick around conservatives they don't like. I'm being purposefully antagonistic to them so as to deflect their blows on others. When they stop picking on others and especially start showing more respect to the religious NB contributors, I'll be less antagonistic.
Dee
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 10:01 ET by well99I think it important that everyone shows each other respect.The one thing I like about NB is there is some diverse opinions.You and me may disagree on immigration but that is ok.That is your honest opinion and I respect that.We all generalized sometimes but Libs really get nailed to.Also I dont think racist remarks are acceptable.I will say something.As far as religion everyone has the right to their beliefs and shouldnt be insulted for expressing them.To me it is no different then make a racist remark when someone is slammed because they have faith.I generally try to maintain unless someone put words in my mouth then I lose it.Main reason I can stand the msm is they distort things.
Where in the hell is
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 07:53 ET by bobthemanWhere in the hell is Joe?
http://politicsofdestruction.com
Joe is home in Florida.
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 08:57 ET by Mark FinkelsteinJoe is home in Florida. It's been mentioned that his wife is experiencing a difficult pregnancy. Mika mentioned today that Joe should be back soon. We wish Joe and his family all the best.
Do I want to lose in
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 07:57 ET by Cureboy675Do I want to lose in Iraq? No.
Do I wish the whole affair had been better managed so that 4,000 of our troops didn't have to die in order for another country to create a constitution? Yes!
Do I wish we had gone into
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 08:14 ET by harqmanDo I wish we had gone into win and actually win? Yes. Embedded reporters will go down as the dumbest move in the war. Without them the war could have been conducted as a war. Not conducted like a live news show. While there was initial rah rah from the press they were there to say "okay we have killed enough people and we are tired of looking at it. Now we are going to talk about all the BS that we want to." Like the looting of the archives. "Why did America not protect their priceless stuff?" BECAUSE THEY WERE STILL KILLING BAD PEOPLE. But then we take men ad women away from the war things that needed to be done. And then they change on a dime. "Why were the troops watching and searching for the stolen loot? They should have been over there watching for Al Qaeda." And so on and so on and so on.
I wanted to win the first Gulf War. But the same group of idiots would not allow that.
Not Why They Died!
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 08:20 ET by ChasvsThey didn't die for an Iraqi Constitution!
They died in defense of our Freedom. A safe and Free iraq is in our interest to stop the Islamofacists in their tracks!
Now the enemy is from within in the form of the Demofacists who are running a marxist as a presidential nominee!
BHO is a race baiting marxist who will ruin our Country unless we stop him at the ballot box in November!
Every death sucks, but
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 08:22 ET by ckc1227Every death sucks, but let's keep things in perspective. 4,000 deaths in 5 years isn't a huge number. 2,600 Americans were killed in a 3 day Civil War battle in my small hometown.
So, while we all wish the number were much smaller, we should all be thankful that it isn't much bigger.
By the way, it would be nice if you didn't demean their sacrifice by downplaying what they died for. There's a little more to it than simply creating a Constitution.
Not only the fact that only
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 08:45 ET by Dan The Man 2Not only the fact that only 4K deaths in 5 years, this compares favorably to peacetime deaths also. This is the reason the leftists try to lump in civilian deaths also.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
We had 9 deaths in 8 hours
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 09:23 ET by HelenSWe had 9 deaths in 8 hours this weekend in DC. a total of 73 for the year so far but I don't hear anyone screeching for us to bail out of DC!
Hmmm... is it a coincidence that DC is a primarily democrat city? ...nah.
"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war" - Shakespeare
Helen... Sounds like the
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 09:34 ET by Clear thinkerHelen...
Sounds like the DC Insurgents are winning. Time to call Patreaus!
"Abstain from McCain"
Wouldn't that be too
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 12:34 ET by HelenSWouldn't that be too awesome! I'd stand on the corner waving my flag to welcome the troops coming in to liberate me from the libs! :o)
"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war" - Shakespeare
What happened to Joe?
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 07:58 ET by MrltavernDid I miss something but where's Joe? It's Morning Joe after all. That clever play on words that the geniuses at MSNBC came up with...."ha ha his name's in it"...
But really, I miss MSNBC only remaining conservative commentator to torture Dingbatski when she makes these crazy statements.
Not so sure Americans want to win in Iraq? You've gotta be F***ng kidding.
I imagine Keith Olbermann
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 08:10 ET by Jack BauerI imagine Keith Olbermann kidnapped Joe, and is keeping him locked in a trunk dressed in a gimp outfit and ball-gag, at his secret S&M room.
MSM thinking that they are average Americans
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 08:00 ET by WingletDriver"I only know one person who voted for Nixon. Where they are I don't know. They're outside my ken." - Pauline Kael, New Yorker Magazine film critic
This is an attributable quote to Ms. Kael (typically she is quoted to have said, "I don't even know anybody who voted for Richard Nixon" although Nixon won 49 states). But Brzezinski demonstrates the standard MSM hubris evident in Kael's actual and speculative quotes: they all think that their opinion is mainstream because it is validated by their ken.
She is a complete moron.
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 08:05 ET by harqmanShe is a complete moron. If the people don't care it is not because of Scotty's book. It is because they have been hit over the head day after day after day after day that the sky is falling in Iraq. The good people of this country are NEVER offered the great things that are going on over there. It is all bad all the time. Just like the economy. You want people to worry? Tell them how much things suck day after day after day and they will finally begin to worry.
But all these people are rich already. They have their money. So they don't have to worry. And look at her. If it were not for daddy she would be on my local station in Mississippi. And we would have her driven out for stupidity.
Insights into 300 million people
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 08:08 ET by KC MulvilleAny time someone claims to know what the majority of Americans think, they're only reflecting the media's party line. They have no independent means of assessing what 300 million people actually think. Instead, they rely on their own convictions, and use "public opinion" anecdotally. There's only one time when the country puts its opinion out for all to see - at the voting booth. Everything else is crap.
Your right, the only thing
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 08:22 ET by general companyYour right, the only thing the majority of Americans think is that, Mika is an idiot
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
GC
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 10:07 ET by well99I took a public opinion poll and your right.100 % agreed with you.One out of one people polled said Mika is a idiot.
Since We're Winning it's not Important?
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 08:15 ET by ChasvsWhen a defeat was declared by the Demofacists it was important to the American people to get out ASAP!
Now that we are going to win... it's just not important anymore?
Go figure, when the Left find themselves on the WRONG side of an issue.. it's no longer an issue???!!!
And the MSM is leading the way with this excuse!
WE WON THE IRAQ WAR!
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 08:20 ET by CrashThat's right WE WON THE WAR IN IRAQ.
Just like we kicked nazi & Japanese ass only to be left with routing out insurgents, pouring mountains of our money into their economies, and we're still there.
Dems ' 06
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 08:40 ET by iveseenitallThe Dems took over in '06 saying that the American people had spoken. So what exactly was it that Americans were saying, "We don't want to win in Iraq"? How come we are still there almost 2 years later?
Congressional approval rating --14%
Who is Barry Sotero?
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
They keep paying for it.
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 09:07 ET by JWFThey know withdrawal when we are winning is political suicide. So they keep paying for it.
I hope their anti-war base finally get sick of them and crawls back under the rock from whence they came.
Your comparison sucks
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 08:44 ET by SickofLibsleft with routing out insurgents in Germany and Japan?
Japan: a handful of guys holed up in isolated island caves that didn't get the word the war was over.
Germany: zero insurgents. The entire population was the Walking Dead.
Present US bases in those two countries are for strategic reasons. You may remember something called the Iron Curtain.
You may also remember WE DIDN'T START WWII (unlike Iraq & Afg.). We rebuilt those countries out of the goodness of our heart - we could have said go f-yourselves, you got what you deserved.
"Mika is a human mockingbird, the annoying bird I have come to despise."
The Bubble of Prosperity
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 08:36 ET by jpatchHere's another example of what I've been calling America's "Bubble of Prosperity".
You have people like Mika, who have NO IDEA what it is like to sacrifice, to suffer, to build yourself up from nothing into something. She has no idea whats its like to put her life on the line for her principles. She has no idea whats its like to put her life on the line for her country. And my guess is, she never would do any of those things, or else she would be UNABLE to do any of those things, if she were so inclined to try.
People need to wake up and understand that all that we have, all that exists, can be taken away, if we aren't vigilant in defending it. The really dangerous thing is, we have the majority of our newscasters attempting to wear our vigilance down. Why is that? Why are there so many with a vested interest in our defeat?
It makes you wonder what the definition of a "traitor" ought to be, especially in a time of war. If it's "giving aid and comfort to the enemy", I think we've documented several cases here on NB's.
Thank you, NewsBusters, for keeping me sane. Our country is turning into an asylum that is being run by the inmates. Please God help us all.
jpatch... Very good
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 09:15 ET by Clear thinkerjpatch...
Very good post!
I sometimes wonder if the liberal MSM in this country is working off the "45 Communist Goals for America". Google it. Number 15 thru 45 are scary because they seem to be coming true.
"Abstain from McCain"
Thanks
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 09:35 ET by jpatchHave you posted that list here before? I think someone has; and it certainly IS frightening...but no one will ever pay attention to that. To quote some of my friends that happen to be enrolled Ohio State's Moritz School of Law, "ya, who are you, our generations Joe McCarthy?" Ah ha, the old ad hominum scare attack. A liberal favorite.
Seriously, the biggest thing that people don't understand is that EVIL AND DESTRUCTION CAN BE NUANCED!!! "But he means well, he has good intentions, he sounds so good when he talks!!" These are all responses I've gotten when I've asked about Obama's appeal.
The best lies are those that are sprinkled with truths, just as in the best crimes are those that are perpetrated in broad day light, with no weapons, and a smile on the criminals face. No one ever stops to think "how" Mr. Obama is going to institute these sweeping, unidentified "changes". No one stops to connect the dots between Baraka's personal ideologies and the goals of Globalists and Islamofascists alike. They are one in the same: create an impotent America that can be sucked dry of its wealth, and in time, its existence.
WE MUST NOT LET THIS HAPPEN!!
Every generation has defining moments, and something tells me that our generation will be tested like none before us.
God give us the strength to stay aggressive yet compassionate, resolute yet compromising, and courageous yet not foolhearty.
You are welcome... Yes, I
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 09:43 ET by Clear thinkerYou are welcome...
Yes, I have posted that list before. We have a member that goes by the name of 'mister bill' and I once turned him on to the list. He then sent it to some liberal friends of his. According to him, his friends were shocked but made no other comments. I wish more people would read this list. In fact, I wish it was discussed in our schools.
As to the rest of your comments.... you will get no arguments from me. Communism hiding under the cloak of liberalism is destroying this country.
"Abstain from McCain"
Oh Mika --
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 08:36 ET by mytwocentsWe definitely need an exit strategy to extract ourselves from this media "quagmire" in which we find ourselves hopelessly embroiled. We should just sit down and talk to the leaders in the media and get them to see our point of view and I'm sure they will start to report the facts instead of making it up as they go along.
Women
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 09:00 ET by iveseenitallIntelligent American women have to be embarrassed by this. Why is it the MSM has so many female airheads spouting their idiocy? There are many well-educated, smart women who have so much to offer, yet they seem to appear only on FOX.
Who is Barry Sotero?
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
The answer to your question
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 13:06 ET by Tim the EnchanterThe answer to your question is obvious.... she's trolling for a seat on The View.
ATTENTION ALL U.S. FORCES IN
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 08:54 ET by SickofLibsATTENTION ALL U.S. FORCES IN IRAQ: Start packing up immediately. Mika says country could give a crap.
ATTENTION AL QUEDA OPERATIVES & ISLAMOMANIACS: Just be patient...the coast should be clear in a few months.
"Mika is a human mockingbird, the annoying bird I have come to despise."
Dear Mika,
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 08:55 ET by Iowa BoyYou're dumb.
Love,
Iowa Boy
"I'd rather be governed by the first 2,000 people in the Boston
telephone directory than the 2,000 faculty at Hardvard Unversity." -
William F. Buckley Jr.
America Doubts Mika Cares About Winning in Iraq
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 09:10 ET by Clear thinkerAmerica Doubts Mika Cares About Winning in Iraq.
The above headline should be the story of our liberal MSM!
Mark, please forgive me for messing with your header.
"Abstain from McCain"
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 12:35 ET by harqmanNuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Thanks to night vision and thermal imaging we don't have to nuke them to see them in the dark. Now that is what I call environmentally friendly.
Mika...Some people
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 13:34 ET by bigtimerMika...Some people say...You are wrong...
...AGAIN!
Joe, please hurry back...I cannot take this empty-headed twit anymore.
Btw...when and if Joe comes back you can just imagine the power and importance she thinks she has now, I have found it amusing...she should be embarrassed every day she is on there and opens her mouth, but to vain to know it, plus she is just what msnbc wants representing them.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
I'll take...
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 16:37 ET by okiehawk44We want Willie, We want Willie, We want Willie!
Joe's toast.
Mika's as deep as a thimble.
Apples and distance from trees
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 20:02 ET by harry flashmanHow suprised can we be when Mika's Daddy and Carter Butt-boy Zbignew is thus described -
"'Although Mr Brzezinski is not a formal day-to-day adviser and stressed he doesn't speak for the campaign, he said that he "talks to" Mr Obama.
He endorsed the Illinois senator, lauding him as "head and shoulders" above his opponents. He said that he was the only candidate who understood "what is new and distinctive about our age".
In turn, Mr Obama has praised Mr Brzezinski as "someone I have learned an immense amount from" and "one of our most outstanding scholars and thinkers".
They share very similar views on the folly of the Iraq war.'"
My grandhather emigrated from Poland and he and I grew up in Chicago - she and her Carterian father make every stereotypical Polish joke I ever heard, true.
I am sure she gets pat on
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 20:12 ET by bigtimerI am sure she gets pat on head, kisses and a lollipop from Daddy daily one way or the other..."Good little Girl"....it is sickening.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Brzezinski: Spokesman for the American people
Mon, 06/02/2008 - 20:09 ET by Anchor89Does she have a public opinion poll that I am unaware of? I doubt it. When Liberals in the press confidently state what the American people think and want, what they are really saying is what they and their Liberal friends think and want.
Didn't Democrats supposedly run in 2006 on promise of getting us out of Iraq? It appears that even a majority of Democrats in Congress don't feel strongly enough to pull us out, let alone the American people as a whole.
The American people haven't been distracted by the economy, the Liberal media just stopped covering Iraq when the surge started working. The media has shifted its focus to the economy since there hasn't been enough bad news from Iraq to cover.