By NB Staff (Bio | Archive) Sat, 05/10/2008 - 14:09 ET
"So far some 730 tornadoes have touched down this year, more than double the number for all of last year."—ABC's Bill Weir, GMA 05-10-08, as this graphic was displayed in a segment blaming global warming for increased tornado incidence.
This is the "there is no right or wrong answer" school of math espoused by Lefties. The same math that has 400,000 women a year dying worldwide from "unsafe abortion" -- 400,000 of them in Brazil alone!
Hey whoa just a minute!! Slow down, think before you speak. Details? Let's not add details that may show obvious conflict with the agenda. No voluntary information disclosure. And if coerced, then before speaking....calculate, calculate, calculate. :-)
Due to the extend democratic primary season, campaign rhetoric has heated up enough to cause a massive increase in tornados, especially in Fly Over country. Al Gore does not believe this should be attributed to the global warming effect of Mrs. Clinton's and Mr. Obama‘s enormous carbon footprints, which has undergone a dramatic increase in the last 5 months.
Bingo! And even knowing the math isn't there for her, Hillary continues to build up a carbon footprint. Completely unnecessary travel. Not only causing tornadoes, but creating evil windfall profits for oil companies.
...and yet no one ever mentions when there is a hint of severe weather 10-20 groups of storm chasers go after those things, almost every touchdown has been reported or recorded unlike the old days. Also sometimes one tornado can be reported more than once by different people. Nah global warming is too logical of an arguement.
Really this is a continuation of the wintertime pattern of colder air steadily coming in from Canada interacting with the warmer air. Heck, I had a bad feeling about this year after watching the jet stream all winter long...it was a huge red flag for tornado development this year. Again NOT a result of global warming.
"They need to have a course in college called common sense and everyone should take it. Problem is there isn't too many people that could pass or teach it." -my grandfather
When asked during a debate, McCain stated that he would be quick to visit any and all fifty states if disaster struck, to which Obama responded, "which fifty?"
As you can see from the graph by any logic there was only 204 tornadoes in 2006, 102 in 2005, 51 in 2004, 25 in 2003. 13 in 2002 only 7 in 2001, 4 in 2000, 3 in 2001, there was only 2 tornado in 2000 and the first ever tornado in the earth 4.5 billion year history was in 1999.
OR
As you can see with the doubling in 2009 there will be 1400, in 2010 there will be 2800, in 2011 there will be 5600 and when Kyoto is set to expire in 2012 there will be 11200 or about 90 tornado every day
Remember "The Year of the Shark?" Which got blown out of the water by a man made event, one that could have been avoided had we been paying attention to real problems within our control like ... oh ... terrorist threats.
Once again liberals create boogymen in order to create make work jobs.
Overlooking Bill Weir's less than desirable math skills, after trying to reconcile last years record breaking cold in much of the world which has extended into this spring coupled with falling sea temperatures, didn't the same demedia just tell us that global warming is taking a ten year hiatus?
You know, this is desperation time for the algore global warming machine and crew...
We had a record breaking winter in the NW in a lot of areas with snow depth and temperatures and seldom a word mentioned...intentionally...now they are attempting this B.S. as spring is here and summer approaches.
Madness...pure madness.
Sorry, I can't find anything funny about this today...I'll leave it to others.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Now that German GW scientists predict that GW will be on hold for another 10 years (in addition to the 7 years its already been on hold), due to a shift in ocean currents, the politics of global warming could get very interesting.
One might ask:
1. If they've discovered one new climate factor that blows the alleged impact of CO2 out of the water (so to speak), then what other unknown factors will come to the fore in the future? And...
2. How are AGW advocates going to pass draconian carbon credit laws, doubling energy costs, while temperatures remain flat or decrease over the next ten years?
"In a desparate attempt to make up for last seasons lack of major tropical storms or hurricanes, Mother Nature spawns more tornadoes so that her worshipers don't fall away..."
“Although tornadoes occur in many parts of the world, these destructive forces of nature are found most frequently in the United States east of the Rocky Mountains during the spring and summer months. In anaverage year, 800 tornadoes are reported nationwide, resulting in 80 deaths and over 1,500 injuries”
<blockquote>"So far some 730 tornadoes have touched down this year, more than double the number for all of last year."—ABC's Bill Weir, GMA 05-10-08, as this graphic was displayed in a segment blaming global warming for increased tornado incidence.<blockquote>
Bill must have taken the same "New Math" class with Barack when they were kids at Ted Kennedy Elementary School.
Remember the year that Florida had 8 or so hurricanes and the "experts" claimed that there would be more the next year? There was only one small one the next year and hardly any since. Global warming my butt!
But if it makes Sheryl Crow use one square of toilet paper or Ed Begley ride a bike to work or any other Hollywood scum any discomfort....I'm all for that!
IF we had the coldest April in decades it stands to reason the big change to warm spring will cause more turbulent possibilities...storms are due to temperature differences or at least the severity increases when you have, say, a 20 degree drop versus a 10... Did I mention I caught a bass Friday that bit because of Global Warming? Guess not.
"The tornado superoutbreak of April 3-4, 1974 resulted in 148 tornadoes in 13 states..."
In the prior year, there were NO tornados from April 3-4, 1973, so there you have it, absolute proof of Global Warming. No, stop arguing. There is consensus, so shut up. You can deny it, but the tornado data DOES NOT LIE.
Not only does "global warming" not cause tornados as you point out, PopTech, but 730 per year is actually the norm, as USA4freedom links above.
Is it so hard to do a little research before putting a story on the air? How can you claim to be in the news business when you appear to be making stuff up whole cloth?
Why didn't they show a graphic on the number from Jan-May in, oh I don't know, 10-20 years or so if they want to at least look like there's an ounce of credibility to it. (I aint saying it would be, just that it would at least appear more relevant for their agenda).
Maybe they didn't do that because the numbers didn't work to promote the agenda. Yea, uh, just maybe.
A favorite is "Look at the fall in abortion deaths for the period 1971 - 1975, verus the period 1965-1970. Abortion deaths fell! Why? Because in 1970 states started legalizing abortion, and in 1973 Roe abolished ALL the abortion laws!"
What they don't show you is that abortion mortality had been dropping like a stone for the entire 20th century. You cold pick virtually any event of the first 80% of the 20th century and say that abortion mortality was lower afterward than before. The moon landing. The Beatles. The Great Depression. I Love Lucy. Bakelite telephones.
Lefties and math: an uneasy and dysfunctional relationship?
Dang. According to this, my age more than doubled between my 20th and 35th birthday. At this rate, by the time I'm 60, I'll be 100.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Meteorology 101: A tornado is caused by the convergence of a low pressure and high pressure system. Commonly this is where warm fronts and cold fronts meet. If global warming is truly "global" then everyplace is equally warmer. There will be no increase in the number of tornados, only an increase in each tornado's potential energy.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius
Global warming has reduced the number of tornadoes to record lows. This year, a shockingly abnormal 409 tornadoes have touched down when the yearly average is twice that. Home builders and funeral service providers have been hardest hit. When asked if he should shoulder some of the blame, President Bush said, "No comment." Some have speculated that Bush and his Carl Rove Weather Machine have contributed to the global warming that some believe is responsible for all of the death and destruction that tragically has or hasn't happened. When asked to respond to these allegations, Bush looked at his watch and climbed back onto Air Force One, which, incidentally, emits 1000 times more CO2 than the entire bicycle-riding populations of China and North Korea, combined!
There is a website that has stats: tornadoes@tornadoproject.com. If the ABC person has looked here he knows he is not close to any global warming correlation and is in fact way-off base. So easy to find information if you want to.
A: Accuse someone or something else for your problem.
B: Bullsh!t your way to sensationalism.
C: Count statistics using a very small reference point.
This is the problem I have with such bad reporting. It doesn't take into account that we now count every single tornado known to radar. The old practice was to report only the tornadoes that had disastrous consequences on people.
"So far some 730 tornadoes have touched down this year, more than double the number for all of last year."
More than double the number for all of last year? How did they figure that? There were 1305 tornados from Jan. 2007 to Dec. 2007. I think someone didn't do their homework.
(on edit: Where DID they get their figures? I just added up the totals (as per the link I provided) from Jan. 2007 through May. 2007 and I got 799 tornados.)
From now on, I am going make that remark to every single anthroprogenic global warming alarmist. Prove it. When they say all the data shows this, this, or this. I will say that's a fine theory. Prove it.
When they says all of these scientists agree I will say that's consensus, not proof. Prove it.
When they say hurricanes are caused by global warming, I will say prove it!
When they say tornadoes are caused by global warming I will say, prove it.
Make them prove it. Because ultimately, they can't.
"I'd rather be governed by the first 2,000 people in the Boston
telephone directory than the 2,000 faculty at Hardvard Unversity." -
William F. Buckley Jr.
Even if the Neomarxists could lay out the idea that global warming is man's fault based on a number of empirical facts and coincidences, say the fossil record, ice core samples, agricultural records, industrial ouput data, etc. - which they can't - they might still be able to do some inductive reasoning based on principles well established in physics and chemistry. But they can't even do this either.
Am I supposed to take as granted that a molecule, CO2, at about 383 parts per million in the Earth's atmosphere, traps (as opposed to just traps and reflects) enough solar radiation that we are all going to melt like the witch in the Wizard of Oz? Am I supposed to overlook the fact that 95% of the global warming effect in the atmosphere is caused by water vapor? Am I supposed to neglect the fact that global temperatures are hottest at the surface and not in the atmosphere?
One of the best reasons to doubt the greenhouse effect is by comparing Earth to Venus. Now, everyone has been told since they were knee-high to a grasshopper that Venus's high temperatures are due to a "runaway Greenhouse Effect." Well, few of us are told that Venus' atmosphere exerts about 93 times ("atmospheres") more pressure than the earth's. Without going into details, very little of Venus' temperature is due to the Greenhouse Effect, it is due to having a relatively massive atmosphere in general.
The "scientists" in the shil for anthropogenic global warming are going to use some pseudoscientific jargon to refute such simple counterfactuals to their "theory." But I have enough scientific know-how to detect that the manner of exposition of the "global warming consensus" raises my BS detectors. It rings to me like the Catholic Church's attempt to suppress Copernicus' findings that the earth revolves around the sun and not vice versa.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius
I've been driving for many, many years and only had 3-4 flat tires in the first 40 yrs, however, since 2004 I've had that many. Is this another classic example of Global Warming or what?
Or just plain stupid. This clearly demonstrates that they are more interested in pressing the leftist agenda than facts. And these are the same folks who like to talk about "scientific consensus". They wouldn't know a scientific fact if it slapped them upside the head.
"Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive." - C.S. Lewis
Whoops. I read quickly and thought this was 2007 over 2006. It's actually the first 5 months of 2008 versus all of 2007.
Yes, it does seem like there have been a lot of tornadoes so far this year. As others have pointed out, however, tornadoes are not caused by global warming - so that's two easily checkable errors committed by a national news organization.
Editor at Large
Comments Policy
Proud graduate of the Al
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 14:25 ET by Mark FinkelsteinProud graduate of the Al Gore School of Global Warming Math.
New Math
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 11:41 ET by GrannyGrump42This is the "there is no right or wrong answer" school of math espoused by Lefties. The same math that has 400,000 women a year dying worldwide from "unsafe abortion" -- 400,000 of them in Brazil alone!
cause and effect
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 14:29 ET by WesenSome have made an interesting case that there's a direct relationship between our natural disasters and the Administration's efforts to divide Israel.
Transmissions that have
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 14:36 ET by GregETransmissions that have been replaced on my car.
2007 - 0
2008 - 1
Global warming.
Dude!
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 18:13 ET by heldmywEVERYONE knows that transmissions and ball joints are caused by El Nino!
Global warming takes out catalytic converters and differentials...
Carefull! Shawn is gonna think
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 18:15 ET by Free StinkerCarefull!
Shawn is gonna think you're "keeping score" ;-)
Pledge to not support RINOs ever again!
Wow, man! You're right!
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 11:44 ET by GrannyGrump42Times my car overheated in 2008: 6*
Times my car overheated in 2007: 0**
GLOBAL WARMING STRIKES AGAIN!
Inconsequential extraneous details totally irrelevant to the issue:
* I owned a car in 2008
** I did not own a car in 2007
Hey whoa just a minute!!
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 12:37 ET by GregEHey whoa just a minute!! Slow down, think before you speak. Details? Let's not add details that may show obvious conflict with the agenda. No voluntary information disclosure. And if coerced, then before speaking....calculate, calculate, calculate. :-)
Hmm...
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 14:39 ET by Uphill"Not only did the number of tornadoes more than double but so did the number of trailer parks."
The proof is in
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 14:39 ET by HumblepieProof that S. King is right. If you're literate, you CAN walk into any job.
During this time with political correctness at its zenith, I reserve the right to let you know you're an idiot.
Today's Math Lesson Brought To You On ABC By...
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 14:40 ET by BeresfordFormula 409
I'm not the only one!
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 14:41 ET by Saint ZeroI'm not the only one who had math problems. Fortunately, I got help in third grade. Too bad they didn't.
Blame list
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 14:44 ET by Jerry MackSoon each news show or program like this will have a segment called "What global warming has caused today".
there is much more
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 16:49 ET by TruthMongerthere is much more evidence to suggest that GOD'S WRATH is causing all of this misery...
it's just the end of the world as we know it...
i feel fine
The race heats up
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 15:07 ET by CobraManDue to the extend democratic primary season, campaign rhetoric has heated up enough to cause a massive increase in tornados, especially in Fly Over country. Al Gore does not believe this should be attributed to the global warming effect of Mrs. Clinton's and Mr. Obama‘s enormous carbon footprints, which has undergone a dramatic increase in the last 5 months.
LOVE IT!
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 11:45 ET by GrannyGrump42Bravo!
Bingo! And even knowing the
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 12:39 ET by GregEBingo! And even knowing the math isn't there for her, Hillary continues to build up a carbon footprint. Completely unnecessary travel. Not only causing tornadoes, but creating evil windfall profits for oil companies.
...and yet no one ever
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 15:25 ET by tater...and yet no one ever mentions when there is a hint of severe weather 10-20 groups of storm chasers go after those things, almost every touchdown has been reported or recorded unlike the old days. Also sometimes one tornado can be reported more than once by different people. Nah global warming is too logical of an arguement.
Really this is a continuation of the wintertime pattern of colder air steadily coming in from Canada interacting with the warmer air. Heck, I had a bad feeling about this year after watching the jet stream all winter long...it was a huge red flag for tornado development this year. Again NOT a result of global warming.
"They need to have a course in college called common sense and everyone should take it. Problem is there isn't too many people that could pass or teach it." -my grandfather
When asked during a debate,
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 15:31 ET by mister josephWhen asked during a debate, McCain stated that he would be quick to visit any and all fifty states if disaster struck, to which Obama responded, "which fifty?"
In the earth 4.5 billon years
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 15:41 ET by TjexciteAs you can see from the graph by any logic there was only 204 tornadoes in 2006, 102 in 2005, 51 in 2004, 25 in 2003. 13 in 2002 only 7 in 2001, 4 in 2000, 3 in 2001, there was only 2 tornado in 2000 and the first ever tornado in the earth 4.5 billion year history was in 1999.
OR
As you can see with the doubling in 2009 there will be 1400, in 2010 there will be 2800, in 2011 there will be 5600 and when Kyoto is set to expire in 2012 there will be 11200 or about 90 tornado every day
The Year of the Shark
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 16:00 ET by CrashRemember "The Year of the Shark?" Which got blown out of the water by a man made event, one that could have been avoided had we been paying attention to real problems within our control like ... oh ... terrorist threats.
Once again liberals create boogymen in order to create make work jobs.
Foggy Reporting
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 16:36 ET by acumenOverlooking Bill Weir's less than desirable math skills, after trying to reconcile last years record breaking cold in much of the world which has extended into this spring coupled with falling sea temperatures, didn't the same demedia just tell us that global warming is taking a ten year hiatus?
I guess the tornadoes didn't get the memo...
Leftist logic - jujitsu.
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 16:39 ET by Parker1227Al Gore's hot air has been increasing.
And jihadist bombings have been increasing.
Therefore, Al Gore causes jihadist bombings.
I knew that Al Gore had
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 16:42 ET by fitzfongI knew that Al Gore had gotten fat, but 322 lbs. in a year? Wow.
Al Gore
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 16:48 ET by Parker1227There is evidence that global warming is a fraud - but Al Gore ate it.
Global warming is so last
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 16:48 ET by tazzGlobal warming is so last year, climate change is the new global warming.
You know, this is
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 16:55 ET by bigtimerYou know, this is desperation time for the algore global warming machine and crew...
We had a record breaking winter in the NW in a lot of areas with snow depth and temperatures and seldom a word mentioned...intentionally...now they are attempting this B.S. as spring is here and summer approaches.
Madness...pure madness.
Sorry, I can't find anything funny about this today...I'll leave it to others.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Anthropologic Global Warming on hold.
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 17:16 ET by Parker1227Now that German GW scientists predict that GW will be on hold for another 10 years (in addition to the 7 years its already been on hold), due to a shift in ocean currents, the politics of global warming could get very interesting.
One might ask:
1. If they've discovered one new climate factor that blows the alleged impact of CO2 out of the water (so to speak), then what other unknown factors will come to the fore in the future? And...
2. How are AGW advocates going to pass draconian carbon credit laws, doubling energy costs, while temperatures remain flat or decrease over the next ten years?
Making up for hurricane season
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 17:23 ET by GeneZ"In a desparate attempt to make up for last seasons lack of major tropical storms or hurricanes, Mother Nature spawns more tornadoes so that her worshipers don't fall away..."
“Although tornadoes occur
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 17:31 ET by USA4freedom“Although tornadoes occur in many parts of the world, these destructive forces of nature are found most frequently in the United States east of the Rocky Mountains during the spring and summer months. In anaverage year, 800 tornadoes are reported nationwide, resulting in 80 deaths and over 1,500 injuries”
http://www.nssl.noaa.gov/edu/safety/tornadoguide.html
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Romney / Jendil 2012 (if,we survive)
-
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 07:59 ET by dahliatraversSo 730 tornados per year is actually normal? Good catch, USA4freedom.
Math? Why bother?
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 17:38 ET by Beukeboom<blockquote>"So far some 730 tornadoes have touched down this year, more than double the number for all of last year."—ABC's Bill Weir, GMA 05-10-08, as this graphic was displayed in a segment blaming global warming for increased tornado incidence.<blockquote>
Bill must have taken the same "New Math" class with Barack when they were kids at Ted Kennedy Elementary School.
Math was never my strongest
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 17:40 ET by terrigMath was never my strongest subject but my skills top that.
A day dream.
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 17:40 ET by Parker1227Al Gore at some small community college 8 years from now.
"One of these years, Global Warming is really, really gonna hit. I swear it is."
Boos and cat-calls from the audience.
Finally, I gotcha!!!!
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 18:30 ET by Mica the MagnificentHa! There's no "e" in tornados! Gotcha!! - - Dan Quail
Remember the Florida Hurricanes?
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 18:46 ET by jefflebowskiRemember the year that Florida had 8 or so hurricanes and the "experts" claimed that there would be more the next year? There was only one small one the next year and hardly any since. Global warming my butt!
But if it makes Sheryl Crow use one square of toilet paper or Ed Begley ride a bike to work or any other Hollywood scum any discomfort....I'm all for that!
Tornado explanation
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 09:02 ET by reelman46IF we had the coldest April in decades it stands to reason the big change to warm spring will cause more turbulent possibilities...storms are due to temperature differences or at least the severity increases when you have, say, a 20 degree drop versus a 10... Did I mention I caught a bass Friday that bit because of Global Warming? Guess not.
Doug Schexnayder, Ph.D. (theconservativecrawfish)
The water was so hot that
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 09:23 ET by USA4freedomThe water was so hot that bass jumped in my boat just to cool off.........
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Romney / Jendil 2012 (if,we survive)
As the planet cools, blame cosmic rays!!
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 19:11 ET by upcountrywaterLets see if this record will be broken?
Oh yea 1974 was the "ice age is comming".
So doing the math that will be 6,500 this year!!
The POPE says, GOD BLESS AMERICA!!
IranianUranium<sleep>New/Infrastructure/repair?/ROFLMAO
Absolute Proof
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 23:31 ET by JoelCT"The tornado superoutbreak of April 3-4, 1974 resulted in 148 tornadoes in 13 states..."
In the prior year, there were NO tornados from April 3-4, 1973, so there you have it, absolute proof of Global Warming. No, stop arguing. There is consensus, so shut up. You can deny it, but the tornado data DOES NOT LIE.
One guzinta'
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 19:13 ET by JPR1one once, one guzinta' two twice, one guzinta' three thrice...:
Jethro Bodine breezes through the mathematics section of the Columbia School of Journalism enterance exam.
Tornadoes Not Caused by Global Warming
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 19:58 ET by PopularTechYou can almost set your watch to what the MSM will blame on global warming next expecially depending on the time of year.
Global warming 'not to blame' for Tornadoes (The Daily Telegraph, UK)
Increasing tornadoes or better information gathering? (Anthony Watts, AMS Certified Meteorologist)
Tornadoes not Linked to Global Warming (Eugene Tackle, Ph.D. Professor of Atmospheric Science)
Senator Kerry Misinformed on Tennessee Storms (Science and Public Policy Institute)
Spinning the Tornado Story (Patrick J. Michaels, Ph.D. Ecological Climatology)
2005 - Tornado numbers far below normal in '05 (USAToday)
2005 - NOAA Reports No Tornado Fatalities Since March, A Record (Science Daily)
The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource
There MUST be a way to stop the FOOLS..
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 21:19 ET by JoggerNotBut, I dont see anything happening to refute them.
Exept here.
OK, A few other blogs too.
algore needs his clock cleaned.
As soon as posible.
A Yeoman's Job
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 01:54 ET by reasonsjesterTYVM.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius
-
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 08:08 ET by dahliatraversNot only does "global warming" not cause tornados as you point out, PopTech, but 730 per year is actually the norm, as USA4freedom links above.
Is it so hard to do a little research before putting a story on the air? How can you claim to be in the news business when you appear to be making stuff up whole cloth?
Yea it took me about 3 min.
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 09:28 ET by USA4freedomYea it took me about 3 min. to find that info..
They dont look or.. dont want to look.. or......... its just to scare people!!!!!!! My bet is the last!!!
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Romney / Jendil 2012 (if,we survive)
Do You Think Truth Matters?
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 08:54 ET by ChasvsYou can't really believe that these people care about the truth!
There is no truth but their truth!
Fascist say the darndest things
We are So Screwed!
Why didn't they show a
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 20:06 ET by GregEWhy didn't they show a graphic on the number from Jan-May in, oh I don't know, 10-20 years or so if they want to at least look like there's an ounce of credibility to it. (I aint saying it would be, just that it would at least appear more relevant for their agenda).
Maybe they didn't do that because the numbers didn't work to promote the agenda. Yea, uh, just maybe.
Classic data manipulation
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 11:54 ET by GrannyGrump42Lefties are good at it.
A favorite is "Look at the fall in abortion deaths for the period 1971 - 1975, verus the period 1965-1970. Abortion deaths fell! Why? Because in 1970 states started legalizing abortion, and in 1973 Roe abolished ALL the abortion laws!"
What they don't show you is that abortion mortality had been dropping like a stone for the entire 20th century. You cold pick virtually any event of the first 80% of the 20th century and say that abortion mortality was lower afterward than before. The moon landing. The Beatles. The Great Depression. I Love Lucy. Bakelite telephones.
Lefties and math: an uneasy and dysfunctional relationship?
Or "Working as planned!"
Dang. According to this,
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 20:36 ET by JerryDang. According to this, my age more than doubled between my 20th and 35th birthday. At this rate, by the time I'm 60, I'll be 100.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Nope... By the time you turn
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 12:16 ET by Clear thinkerNope... By the time you turn 60 you will be dead. Just using your numbers. "Abstain from McCain"
Meteorology 101
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 01:50 ET by reasonsjesterMeteorology 101: A tornado is caused by the convergence of a low pressure and high pressure system. Commonly this is where warm fronts and cold fronts meet. If global warming is truly "global" then everyplace is equally warmer. There will be no increase in the number of tornados, only an increase in each tornado's potential energy.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius
Headline from 2007:
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 02:33 ET by Ted ClarkeHeadline from 2007:
Global warming has reduced the number of tornadoes to record lows. This year, a shockingly abnormal 409 tornadoes have touched down when the yearly average is twice that. Home builders and funeral service providers have been hardest hit. When asked if he should shoulder some of the blame, President Bush said, "No comment." Some have speculated that Bush and his Carl Rove Weather Machine have contributed to the global warming that some believe is responsible for all of the death and destruction that tragically has or hasn't happened. When asked to respond to these allegations, Bush looked at his watch and climbed back onto Air Force One, which, incidentally, emits 1000 times more CO2 than the entire bicycle-riding populations of China and North Korea, combined!
And, by tornado, we mean
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 06:40 ET by richflanjAnd, by tornado, we mean "any wind capable of supporting a kite".
Don't you just love it when we control the definitions?
Sarc off.
Tornadoes
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 07:51 ET by Robert S LaRuersl775
There is a website that has stats: tornadoes@tornadoproject.com. If the ABC person has looked here he knows he is not close to any global warming correlation and is in fact way-off base. So easy to find information if you want to.
The ABC's of Shoddy Reporting
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 08:52 ET by CrashA: Accuse someone or something else for your problem.
B: Bullsh!t your way to sensationalism.
C: Count statistics using a very small reference point.
This is the problem I have with such bad reporting. It doesn't take into account that we now count every single tornado known to radar. The old practice was to report only the tornadoes that had disastrous consequences on people.
Who's Math is it anyways?
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 09:16 ET by CobraMan"So far some 730 tornadoes have touched down this year, more than double the number for all of last year."
More than double the number for all of last year? How did they figure that? There were 1305 tornados from Jan. 2007 to Dec. 2007. I think someone didn't do their homework.
Link
(on edit: Where DID they get their figures? I just added up the totals (as per the link I provided) from Jan. 2007 through May. 2007 and I got 799 tornados.)
Tornadoes
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 12:04 ET by tostlundSince the temperature of the world was cooler this year than last it's obvious that global warming is good for the world in terms of fewer tornadoes.
Just an example of extremest logic.
Prove it!
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 12:33 ET by Iowa BoyFrom now on, I am going make that remark to every single anthroprogenic global warming alarmist. Prove it. When they say all the data shows this, this, or this. I will say that's a fine theory. Prove it.
When they says all of these scientists agree I will say that's consensus, not proof. Prove it.
When they say hurricanes are caused by global warming, I will say prove it!
When they say tornadoes are caused by global warming I will say, prove it.
Make them prove it. Because ultimately, they can't.
"I'd rather be governed by the first 2,000 people in the Boston
telephone directory than the 2,000 faculty at Hardvard Unversity." -
William F. Buckley Jr.
Empiricism vs. Theory
Mon, 05/12/2008 - 03:22 ET by reasonsjesterEven if the Neomarxists could lay out the idea that global warming is man's fault based on a number of empirical facts and coincidences, say the fossil record, ice core samples, agricultural records, industrial ouput data, etc. - which they can't - they might still be able to do some inductive reasoning based on principles well established in physics and chemistry. But they can't even do this either.
Am I supposed to take as granted that a molecule, CO2, at about 383 parts per million in the Earth's atmosphere, traps (as opposed to just traps and reflects) enough solar radiation that we are all going to melt like the witch in the Wizard of Oz? Am I supposed to overlook the fact that 95% of the global warming effect in the atmosphere is caused by water vapor? Am I supposed to neglect the fact that global temperatures are hottest at the surface and not in the atmosphere?
One of the best reasons to doubt the greenhouse effect is by comparing Earth to Venus. Now, everyone has been told since they were knee-high to a grasshopper that Venus's high temperatures are due to a "runaway Greenhouse Effect." Well, few of us are told that Venus' atmosphere exerts about 93 times ("atmospheres") more pressure than the earth's. Without going into details, very little of Venus' temperature is due to the Greenhouse Effect, it is due to having a relatively massive atmosphere in general.
The "scientists" in the shil for anthropogenic global warming are going to use some pseudoscientific jargon to refute such simple counterfactuals to their "theory." But I have enough scientific know-how to detect that the manner of exposition of the "global warming consensus" raises my BS detectors. It rings to me like the Catholic Church's attempt to suppress Copernicus' findings that the earth revolves around the sun and not vice versa.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius
AGW
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 12:42 ET by okiehawk44I've been driving for many, many years and only had 3-4 flat tires in the first 40 yrs, however, since 2004 I've had that many. Is this another classic example of Global Warming or what?
The cats under my porch have
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 12:51 ET by the strugglerThe cats under my porch have doubled in the last six weeks. Pandimonium.
nay it's
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 12:55 ET bycataclysmic
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
Hyperbole on Steroids?
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 12:57 ET by bradbenj5952Or just plain stupid. This clearly demonstrates that they are more interested in pressing the leftist agenda than facts. And these are the same folks who like to talk about "scientific consensus". They wouldn't know a scientific fact if it slapped them upside the head.
"Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive." - C.S. Lewis
The Debate Is Over
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 15:27 ET by GlidedonThe debate is over, there is a consensus among mathematicians:
2 x 409 < 731
-
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 22:04 ET by dahliatraversWhoops. I read quickly and thought this was 2007 over 2006. It's actually the first 5 months of 2008 versus all of 2007.
Yes, it does seem like there have been a lot of tornadoes so far this year. As others have pointed out, however, tornadoes are not caused by global warming - so that's two easily checkable errors committed by a national news organization.