It was just another ho-hum piece by another liberal columnist. Hillary Clinton should get out now because staying in hurts Barack Obama against McCain. Yada yada yada.
But in his column of today, Nicholas Kristof of the New York Times, almost in passing, makes what is, on reflection, a telling disclosure of what is truly the fundamental value, the uniting principle of the Democratic party: abortion. After first fretting that many Hillary supporters will sit on their hands or vote for McCain, Kristof offers this countervailing fact:
It’s true that most of Senator Clinton’s supporters presumably will flinch if they contemplate a McCain Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade.
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So what is it that brings Dems together? The imperative to end a war in Iraq over which they have expended endless fury? The desire to help those salt-of-the-earthers who work hard and play by the rules to whom they've demagogued shamelessly? Nah. At the end of the day, it's abortion. Abortion is the central, organizational value of the Dem party, the one that will unite it regardless of who is its candidate.
The GOP has its serious problems. But what does it say about a party if its single most sacred principle, the shared value that will make factions set aside their antipathies, is the preservation of the right to end innocent life?
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But what does it say
May 8, 2008 - 05:46 ET by motherbeltBut what does it say about a party if its single most sacred principle is the preservation of the right to end innocent life?
I wish you had said the "manufactured" right.
»→ What it says
May 8, 2008 - 06:04 ET by Cool ArrowWhat it says is that the vacuum created by casual infanticide will be filled by our new fully grown masters.
We've invited them in to do our heavy lifting and they are coming over our borders in droves and have no respect for us and our wickedness.
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Speaking of liberals' love
May 8, 2008 - 08:11 ET by motherbeltSpeaking of liberals' love of abortion; check out this story for another liberal attempting to shut down an opposing view.
You don't have the right to challenge it!!! he screams.
In typical liberal fashion, he is concerned that the "offensive" display might make women who have had, or will have an abortion "feel bad."
Watch the video. The guy attacking the display is so furious he's almost maniacal!!
I love how these people
May 8, 2008 - 08:51 ET by mattmI love how these people claim 'abortion is a right' and then deny anyone's right to free speech (which, unlike abortion, you can actually find in the Constitution).
BTW - The Confederate States believed holding slaves was a right, too. (Funny - they also were Democrats)
Great link!
May 8, 2008 - 09:06 ET by CobraManThank you for the great link! I think it's rather ironic that this man was ripping the crosses out of the ground just like how abortionists rip the children out of a woman's womb.
Interesting video
May 8, 2008 - 09:34 ET by reasonsjesterBut I am wondering if the student group that put the crosses up had asked for permission to do so from the university. Campus lawns are not for putting up huge displays of any kind, unless the college grants permission. I do agree that a college is more likely to give permission to pet leftist causes. Picketing or holding a rally is a different matter, and is constitutionally protected.
But using Christianity to make the argument against abortion does not and will not work. People do not have to ascribe to Christianity, and in fact, many of our founding fathers were Deists. As anyone can research, the signers of the Constitution were not devout Christians for the most part, but that is not the ultimate point. The point is that our laws do not have to rest on theocratic principles for them to be valid - or to accord with Christian doctrine for that matter. Natural law is the proper framework for anti-abortion arguments.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius
reason, did you read the
May 8, 2008 - 09:47 ET by motherbeltreason, did you read the article, or just watch the video?
Bob Tomlinson, vice chancellor of student affairs, apologized to the
student group for the vandalism, which took place even though the
Pointers for Life had reserved the space properly.
"The university values free expression and the open exchange of ideas.
Pointers for Life is a recognized student organization that followed
university procedure in staging its event," he said.
Watched the vid
May 8, 2008 - 22:43 ET by reasonsjesterDidn't watch all the way to the end - but someone said that the student group had permission for the demonstration so I took them at their word.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius
reasonjester: I must
May 8, 2008 - 10:05 ET by QueenMumreasonjester: I must disagree with you regarding the religious beliefs of the founding fathers. Franklin and Jefferson are the best known and the ones pointed to most often as being deists. But they represent a small percentage of those who we refer to as founding fathers.
Religious affiliations of signers of the Dec. of Ind., Constitution, etc.
I am the exotic Queen Mum, and I approved this message.
Besides, it's highly
May 8, 2008 - 10:28 ET by mattmBesides, it's highly questionable whether they even were Deists. But, even still, they had a strong belief in "Nature's God" and in the "Right to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"... SO it's pointless to quibble over theological differences - the fact is, those who would deny the Judeo-Christian basis of the Declaration and the Constitution and the basic principles upon which this nation was founded are utterly wrong.
"It is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favors." - Geo. Washington
Basically right
May 8, 2008 - 22:41 ET by reasonsjesterWell depends what you mean by "basis." I would argue that the bases were Natural Law and Reason. The U.S. was not founded as a Christian Republic. It's Ok if you want to believe that, but from my point of view (based on my own research) that is not entirely accurate. There are plenty of quotes, which I provided above, to suggest that Jefferson, Franklin, Madison, Monroe, Washington, and Paine were extremenly skeptical of Christianity, and more specifically, organized religion. But I am not going to argue that Christianity did not overshadow the Declaration of Independence and Constitution. Protestantism as a particular aspect of American Christianity and Christian-influenced Natural Law were both in the consciousness of men at that time.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius
Concerning religion
May 8, 2008 - 13:50 ET by reasonsjesterThe piece of research you found is interesting, but if my memory is correct only one signer was a preacher or religious leader. The most influential founding fathers and shapers of the American revolution were not devout Christians, they were Deists, agnostics, or atheists. In addition to Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson:
John Adams: "God is an essence we know nothing of. Until this awful blasphemy is got rid of, there will never be any liberal science in the world."
Thomas Paine: "Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind."
James Madison: "Ecclesiastical establishments tend to great ignorance and corruption, all of which facilitate the execution of mischievous projects."
Thomas Jefferson on George Washington: "Gouvernor Morris has often told me that George Washington believed no more of that system (Christianity) than he did himself." (1800)
There is a lot more out there on this - but it would take me a little while to document each signer of the Constitution and how religious he was or may have been. I just wanted to bring up the founding fathers for a little more context.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius
outlawing murder is not
May 8, 2008 - 14:10 ET by TruthMongeroutlawing murder is not solely a Christian concept...
killing anyone - regardless of age or "birth status" - is already illegal - and rightly so...
but killing innocent children? God help anyone who can tolerate that...
Yes, they did
May 8, 2008 - 10:26 ET by CobraMan"But I am wondering if the student group that put the crosses up had asked for permission to do so from the university."
Yes, they had full permission for the display.
"But using Christianity to make the argument against abortion does not and will not work."
That same argument was brought up in the YouTube comment section. This wasn't a "Christianity" type of display; those crosses represented grave markers and were not meant to indicate any particular religion. They didn't even make the crosses themselves; another Pro-Life group donated them. I suggest you check out the link provided and view the YouTube site itself. The makers of the video answers this and other questions.
"Picketing or holding a rally is a different matter, and is constitutionally protected."
Agreed, and this group had full permission to setup this display. Their right to free speech was denied by this man and he went as far as to vandalize their display simply because he didn't like the message. He said so himself when he told the campus security that they "had no right" to use this display because "there may be women who are having an abortion or may be thinking about having an abortion and they shouldn't have to see this!" He was quite adamant about that.
The school itself has come out against the actions of this man and have suspended him for one week. A rather light punnishment for an obvious breach of school policy and lack of repect for the property and rights of others, if you ask me.
Surprised
May 8, 2008 - 13:49 ET by reasonsjesterI'm surprised that the student group had permission. As far as the crosses, it certainly seems to have a Christian flavor. But you may be right that this was incidental.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius
motherbelt
May 8, 2008 - 09:39 ET by shawn228The guy that was taking down the cross's was definitely wrong. He is not respecting peoples freedom of speech, especially after the pro-lifers have the schools permission and the school could have done a better job of stopping this guy.
However, that 1 person does not represent the school and the school even apologized for the episode
shawn, don't put words into
May 8, 2008 - 09:46 ET by motherbeltshawn, don't put words into my mouth.
I never said the guy taking down the crosses represented the school.
Did I say "check out the video for another example of university censorship"? No, I specifically referred to the one vandal. I just pointed out his intolerance for free speech that disagreed with his own.
It is you who are trying to turn this into an acccusation of university-sanctioned censorship.
No you didn't motherbelt
May 8, 2008 - 09:49 ET by shawn228I was not trying to imply otherwise either. I was just making a point about the school. I guess I could have phrased it better.....apologies.
Um...
May 8, 2008 - 18:57 ET by TheDeuceWND columnist and pro-life activist Jill Stanek wrote, "This man has serious anger problems. I wonder how many unborn baby skeletons he has in his closet…?"
I don't know how closely Jill was listening to this Roderick Eugene King (the smarmy leftist sack of...just ugh), but I doubt he's got much issue with leaving the ladies in a family way. He don't exactly sound like he's layin' seed on fertile soil...if you know what I'm sayin'...and I think you do.
- Why is it that pro-death proponents always want to shut down any discussion of the affects of their 'choice'? C'mon, libs, suck it up...let's talk about it...all of it! I double-dog dare ya'!
Abortion is the root cause of many of this country's problems...
May 8, 2008 - 07:48 ET by geoksterSince Roe v. Wade, something like 60-70 MILLION abortions have been performed. If even a third of those had been allowed to be born, there would now be 20-25 million more tax-paying American citizens, doing those jobs that we are forced to import workers from Mexico to perform. This would have produced a huge increase in tax revenues to help fund the Social Security/Medicare train wreck that is now headed down the tunnel right at us. Radical feminism has been the worst thing to happen to this country in its history. The hatred of dubya and the right is so palpable among the hard-core feminists that they will at best stand mutely by while tens of millions of their gender are genitally mutilated, forced to be chattel, and denied the most basic of human rights, rather than join with the rest of the country to resist the Islamic onslaught.
19th Amendment! Good thing?
May 8, 2008 - 07:57 ET by Norto19th Amendment! Good thing? Right thing? Ouch, good thing I ducked.
Interesting points...
May 8, 2008 - 09:20 ET by reasonsjesterEspecially about the 20-25 million more taxpayers. But in my opinion, it is better strategically to frame the argument against abortion in moral (natural law) terms and not utilitarian terms. The left wants to paint "right to lifers" as a bunch of bible-bashing rubes. As opponents to abortion we should bring up more often the ideas of Thomas Jefferson and John Locke, and shy away from Thomas Aquinas and the School of Salamanca (but of course we could pay tacit tribute to them in arguments). When someone rejects the idea that a baby is not a person, it should be made clear that logically a baby is its own person from the moment the DNA of a mother and father combine. The fact that the baby needs food and shelter from the mother while in the womb does not differ from when the baby is out of the womb. By logical extension, the baby cannot be identified as a person qualitatively simply because it is out of the womb. This tactic might bring more libertarians over to an anti-abortion stance, since most are predisposed to logical arguments.
Unfortunately, the hard left isn't much interested in rationality or intellectual honesty. But those people on the fence might still be converted. The natural law argument, specifically, that people have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (Locke says property - though this idea is flawed), should be punctuated with those facts about abortion that are emotionally repulsive - such as abortion procedures. This puts the emotional appeals in a philosophical framework, and thus will seem less heavy-handed and unintellectual (of course, intellectualism has little to do with total affective austerity). Anyway, I think the ritual murder of babies should stop in this country and those interested in ending the practice need to think carefully how to tip the scales more heavily in our favor.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius
Well said...but my statement
May 8, 2008 - 10:51 ET by geoksterWell said...but my statement was more about the horrendous practical effects of legalized abortion than about what arguments to use to stop it. I am an atheist but still feel that abortion should be abhorrent to a civilized people, simply because it diminishes us as a species by cheapening the value of human life, and allows us to abdicate our responsibility for our own actions. It is no accident or coincidence that some of the biggest supporters of abortion are men, because now they can screw around all they want without consequence.
Atheism and Reason
May 8, 2008 - 13:29 ET by reasonsjesterI respect that you are an atheist and against abortion. It goes to show that I wasn't off-base in thinking that people can be won over by reason. It seems like you draw on a sociological point of view, quite interesting given that sociology is most often used to support leftist ideas.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius
Little impact
May 8, 2008 - 15:54 ET by GrannyGrump42Readily available abortion has little demographic impact. It just means abortion-accepting women are sloppier in their sex lives and with contraception, so they have more PREGNANCIES, but they have the same number of births. Except the ones who die or who are left infertile or who are unable to carry subsequent pregnacies to term, of course. But again, demographically, little difference.
Because as everybody knows....
May 8, 2008 - 07:59 ET by c5thenNothing can bring together the liberals like the rally-cry of defending their "right" to murder babies.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
Abortion could be a winning issue for Republicans IF
May 8, 2008 - 08:01 ET by Dee BunkMcCain frames it right. Most people are not aware of how radical Obama's position on Abortion is and most don't even realize how little limits are currently placed on abortion. Other than the partial birth procedure recently passed, there are pretty much no limits and that is not how the vast majority of people think it is or would want it to be.
What it reveals
May 8, 2008 - 08:05 ET by KC MulvilleIt shows that the Democrats know it themselves.
We can debate the morality of abortion, and we can respect a wide variety of arguments. But from a purely legal view, the theory underlying Roe v. Wade is laughable. Not even the Supreme Court pays much attention to it. Since Roe, the Court has turned to other justifications. Right now, the dominant legal justification for abortion is that if we took it away, it would have a huge impact on society. Well, yeah.
The Democrat commitment to abortion is tribal. It's the Left's sacrament.
Abortion no longer viable in my view...
May 8, 2008 - 08:58 ET by reasonsjesterI used to be a fence-sitter on the abortion issue - after all, as a man what right do I have to tell a woman what to do with her body? After reading (just yesterday) what abortion actually entails, in any trimester, in "Conservative Comebacks to Liberal Lies" by Gregg Jackson, I am no longer on the fence. It is murder, plain and simple. I am not going to get into it, but D&E, D&C, saline poisoning (invented by the Nazis, as Jackson points out) are all sickening to read about. You know whose body we need to take into consideration? The baby's. Most abortion procedures require (sorry folks) dismemberment. The baby has a body. To destroy these bodies as if they were just any other tissue in women's bodies is disturbing. And I think strategically those of us who know that abortion is wrong need to stop appealing to Judaeo-Christian ethics to make our points. It is true that Christianity played an important role in providing a moral code by which to frame our laws. But it is much more persuasive to atheists (who have the right to be atheistic) to frame the argument in terms of natural law. When an abortion advocate wants to get into the "when does life begin" argument you can bring out what abortion actually entails. You will convert many more people this way.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius
morning reason
May 8, 2008 - 09:30 ET by candanceI'm a woman and I can tell you, those kinds of photos and video have been made available for decades. I remember seeing footage of bloodied bodies as far back as the early 90s when I was a pre teen. Maybe women are given more exposure to it than men and maybe that's why you hadn't seen it before.
Incidentally, the shock value of those photos may work on people like you, but they don't faze abortion proponents.
People quickly become desensitized to things they don't have to deal with. Abolitionists used the same techniques of showing people the horrors of slavery to little effect. How many times have seen reports of torture and genocide in Iraq before we invaded, and still people say it wasn't that bad there?
Open minded people quickly see abortion for what it is. Most people end up saying "yes that's awful but I can't judge those who choose it."
Wasn't really talking about photos
May 8, 2008 - 13:25 ET by reasonsjesterI wasn't really referring to photos. The book I mentioned talks about the procedure. I've seen the photos too, but I blocked them out because when I saw them I felt like I was being emotionally manipulated. Images are a right-brain thing, words are a left-brain thing. For people to rationally get why abortion is wrong, it is better to activate the part of their brains that forms their opinions.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius
what?
May 8, 2008 - 14:03 ET by candanceLooking at pictures is different from using words to describe a picture? Sounds a bit like you're splitting hairs to me.
And anyway, books like you mention have indeed been in use for decades along with photos and video, mostly to no avail.
Women who have had abortions themselves routinely go on TV and describe the horror. Videos are all over YouTube of procedures explained. Every technique you can imagine is already being employed.
It's great that your heart/mind was fertile enough for that book to reach you, but you're one of a million, and I can assure you the book you read was not a novel approach.
Splitting hairs?
May 8, 2008 - 16:18 ET by reasonsjesterWell, neurophysiologically speaking, I was correct. How a person reasons psychologically is an interesting thing. If people are hit with pictures that are emotionally evocative, and the pictures are being used in a manner that conflicts with their worldview, then these pictures are usually blocked out. Most people cannot reconstruct their rational thought around a picture. Images are processed via your visual cortex, processed in the right brain, and then either analyzed descriptively in the left brain, or integrated in the local frontal lobe pattern recognition system that organizes images. If one uses a verbal approach, the language of grammar is brought directly to the left brain semantic processing centers, and analyzed for syntax, logic, contradiction. This is the method for persuading people that abortion is wrong. People are much less likely to have red flags go up due to an inability/unwillingness to "fit" the new image into the existing verbal structure in their minds that organizes their thoughts. Their corpus callosums will not inhibit the flow of information, and their limbic systems will not be shocked into causing a blocking of the material (such as can be indicated with ERPs, eye response potentiations, of average individuals).
As far as material being "out there" or"around" doesn't mean anything. The time since Roe v. Wade, for example, does not give it anymore legitimacy. True, time is essential for leftists hoping the practice will become more socially acceptable. True, this is a democracy, but basing a decision on whether or not a baby can be born or not is fallacious in one regard: Does the baby get to vote? Should votes determine whether or not we should deprive a baby of his or her life? Democracy is not the final arbiter of right and wrong, here. We can get to the truth by using reason and empathy. To do otherwise is to deny truth, and if so, why should we consider the opinions of leftists anyway? Abortion is very unpopular among people who have the most guns. Why can't these people just force the leftists to abide by their rules? Is that because it would be unreasonable and disrespectful to life?
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius
A less jargony version
May 8, 2008 - 22:33 ET by reasonsjesterTo cut to the point - if most people (not psychopaths) see a disgusting picture, they mentally label it disgusting and turn away, close their eyes, or have a physiological response of disgust. This response closes down the left brain from "describing" the picture, i.e., categorizing it in a different part of the brain besides "disgusting." A defense mechanism after this response, in order to preserve one's own worldview, is to shut down the affective part of the brain and start going into sanitized full-on "scientific speak." Usually, you will hear a lot of "its" and "fetus" and "embryo" and anti-septic words to describe the experience of seeing the photos from most abortion advocates.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius
Saline abortions were
May 8, 2008 - 15:56 ET by GrannyGrump42Saline abortions were invented by a Russian abortionist in the 1930s, though I'm sure the Nazis embraced it, as did (at first) the Japanese and the Swiss. The Japanese, Swiss, and Russians abandoned it because it was killing too many of the mothers as well. This did not discourage American abortionists, though, who continued to use it for decades after the rest of the world had given it up as too hideous:
http://realchoice.0catch.com/library/weekly/aa063000a.htm
Nothing like a good
May 8, 2008 - 09:03 ET by charlietexasNothing like a good abortion to bring together liberal....gives me a
warm and fuzzzzzzy........its so nice. Coffee, and donut and an
abortion. aaaahhhhhhhhhh
mom of 4 not aborted babies.
Isn't this special
May 8, 2008 - 09:18 ET by DelsaDemocrats brought together by the killing of babies.
How sweet.
Obama's picks
May 8, 2008 - 09:42 ET by iveseenitallFor the Supreme Court, Barry will choose those who will use the Constitution to further their agenda:
To kill babies
To deny you the right to protect yourself
To deny you the right to pray wherever and whenever you want to do so
To deny you the right to practice your religion in public
To give illegal, non-citizen criminals their "Constitutional rights"
To give "rights" to terrorists
And much more. A vote for Barry is a vote for left-wing "liberalism/socialism/communism. Is this what we want for our children?
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Interesting...
May 8, 2008 - 15:58 ET by GrannyGrump42"To kill babies
To deny you the right to protect yourself"
Yeah, they'll defend to the ends of the earth my alleged "right" to have a baby cruelly killed, a baby who has done nobody any harm. But I have NO right to own something that I might need to defend myself.
The underlying theme is that they seem to side with the aggressor, and want the victim to have the grace to just die.
Granny...
May 9, 2008 - 12:09 ET by JerGranny...Who told you that you have NO right to own something to defend yourself?
Ma'am, you have the U.S. government's permission, the Constitution's permission, the Supreme Court's permission, the state and local authorities' permission, and my permission to go out and buy the biggest, most lethal shotgun you can handle, and blow the brains out of any aggressor who comes on your property and places you in reasonable fear for your safety.
Furthermore, I think most here at NewsBusters have, as do I, the highest respect for Laura Bush, and admire her for her charm and grace and dignity. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe she is firmly pro-choice. If true, will you also call her a "murdering baby killer" just like the liberals and Democrats are being labeled on this and related threads?
Jer
abortion is currently legal
May 8, 2008 - 09:49 ET by shawn228In no way am I saying I am for or against abortion, but it is now currently legal..
What the author says is true and there is no liberal bias, most Democrats support a womans right to have an abortion or not. They do not want McCain to appoint more conservative judges to ever overturn that right. They know what the stakes are in this election and they don't want petty differences in their choice for nominee, stop their quest on keeping control of congress and also taking the Presidency.
No "Right" to Abortion, just no rights for the fetus
May 8, 2008 - 11:19 ET by CobraMan"In no way am I saying I am for or against abortion, but it is now currently legal"
Abortion is more of a LACK of legality on the part of the rights of the fetus, and that child's protections under the law, than a right on the part of the mother to abort her unborn child.
Due to the Roe Vs. Wade ruling where the Supreme Court ruled that a fetus is not considered human until it has reached a certain level of development, the unborn child has no rights at all and no protection under the Constitution or the laws of this country.
Other courts have expanded that initial ruling to include all stages of development if child is still within the mother’s womb. As long as that child is contained with the womb, the courts consider it to be the property of the mother (but not the father, interesting enough). Since there are no violation of human rights when an unborn child is aborted, the courts have ruled that no law has be violated and so no charges can be brought against the woman. Hopefully this appaling lack of human rights will be addressed soon and the law will finally protect the most innocent humans ever, our unborn children.
»→ You're learning Shawn
May 8, 2008 - 11:26 ET by Cool Arrow"they don't want petty differences in their choice for nominee"
Those babies are such petty annoyances, aren't they? Like popping a pimple, I guess.
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Come on Cool Arrow
May 8, 2008 - 20:10 ET by shawn228You know what I meant. In case you really did not know, I meant it does not matter who they choose, the Democratic nominee will try to keep the right to choose sacred as oppossed to McCain.
Not meaning to quibble...
May 8, 2008 - 10:08 ET by on-the-rockswith Mark's words, "...the preservation of the right to end innocent life."
But maybe we need to redefine some of the terms and concepts used by the Left. In order change people's hearts, to make abortion more obsolete, without depending on the heavy hand of government.
"...the right to end innocent life."
Is it really a right? I know the Left and the MSM see it that way.
Back during the days of the Hillarycare debate (Phase I?), when Neal Boortz commented on "people having a 'right' to health care" or "people having a 'right" to a job", he stated that (paraphrasing) you didn't have a right to something that had a cost to someone else, especially without their consent.
You have the right to seek healthcare or to seek a job, as that doesn't entail a cost to someone else. But when you demand someone else's payment for healthcare or a job, then that is no longer a right.
Obviously abortion costs the unborn baby dearly, without its consent.
So, do we have any creative "wordsmiths" that can craft a better term? A "priviledge" is something that someone earns, so that is not a good term, either.
Perhaps "...the preservation of the convenience to end innocent life.".
Blunt but direct, as most abortions are done because a baby would be inconvenient.
We need a term that cultivates contemplation and self-reflection on the part of the listener, to address the responsibilities that are inherent with a pregnancy. The adults in the conversation have to remind folks that "just because you want something, that doesn't make it a right.", especially if it harms someone else.
Again, this is not an attack on Mark's words, but rather the cavalier way that the term "rights" gets tossed about.
On-the-rocks: no offense
May 8, 2008 - 10:30 ET by Mark FinkelsteinOn-the-rocks: no offense taken at your comment. But the fact is that Roe v. Wade and abortion-on-demand is the law of the land. That makes it a right, albeit one that many would like to see restricted or revoked.
Terminology
May 8, 2008 - 11:22 ET by Hoosier DaddyJust a suggestion...
I have recently made a commitment to never again refer to an unborn baby as "it" but to use "he" or "she" or "her" or "him" instead. Maybe along the way I can make just one person realize that unborn babies are human beings and not simply lumps of tissue.
I dunno... There are a lot
May 8, 2008 - 11:31 ET by CortillaenI dunno... There are a lot of of people running about who might be better referred to as "it" than "he" or "she". A lot of them are useless lumps of tissue, too... </sarc>
www.rhjunior.com Great comics with a hefty dose of Christian and anti-nutjob goodness.
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Abortion Will Bring Dems Together...
May 8, 2008 - 11:43 ET by Parker1227...what's left of them.
Ironic
May 8, 2008 - 16:16 ET by GrannyGrump42Bringing Democrats together by taking babies apart.
Just precious isn't it
May 8, 2008 - 16:20 ET by bigtimerJust precious isn't it GrannyG...something to be real proud of.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Gotta love libs. They're
May 8, 2008 - 12:36 ET by ckc1227Gotta love libs. They're okay with killing babies, but not so okay with killing terrorists. War on terror = bad; war on ExxonMobile & WalMart= Good. Abortion clinics = good; Gitmo = bad. Partial birth abortion = good; Abu Ghrab captive wearing a hood = bad. Waterboarding = bad; Puncturing the skull of a baby minutes before birth because the mother has a headache = good.
And the researchers in the study from an earlier post wonder why libs are less happy than conservatives. I'd be unhappy too if I had such a warped view of life. In fact, I'd be downright suicidal. The only reason more libs don't commit suicide now is because it's not a government subsidized program.
PS - For you libs who don't get it, that last part was a joke. Dark to be sure, but you guys like dark humor, don't you?
The official party of death
May 8, 2008 - 13:16 ET by greenfairieAbortion ruined the Democratic party. It drove away its social and religious conservatives. It made the Democrats into the party of litmus tests and scorched earth campaigns to ruin anyone who might cross the feminists, the libertines, and those profiting from the abortion industry itself. It forced Democrats to take extreme positions on the issue, even if it is contrary to the will of the voters (i.e. partial birth infanticide, parental notification). In the process, the Dems got pulled further and further to the left as it had to not only please abortion fans but anyone allied with them as well. One thing's for sure, liberalism's love affair with abortion is what keeps the incompetent boobs who are ruining California's state government in office. Who cares if these people are incompetent and corrupt? They're for CHOICE!!!2!!!
Youtube vids and comments dropping like flies
May 8, 2008 - 22:57 ET by reasonsjesterEarlier a Drudge-linked Hillary vid appealing to her "white vote" had comments disabled and then was removed. Is Youtube in bed with Media Matters or something? If they are, that will be one ugly kid.
Now a vid post on this thread that shows a couple of students ripping crosses out of the ground at a student demonstration has been removed from the local news site. I found it on Youtube, but I have no reason to think the news website "ate" the video link.
I just want to know when the media will stop releasing vids that go against their agenda, or is picked up by conservative blogs, and then yanking them back? It makes it all look very Fahrenheit 451.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius
LOL reason
May 9, 2008 - 11:30 ET by candanceYou just now figured out that YouTube censors conservative videos? Where've you been? YouTube is owned and operated by Google.
And Google is who?
May 9, 2008 - 18:06 ET by reasonsjesterI thought Yahoo were the evil ones - you mean Google's in the bag for the social-fascists too?
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius