My two cents say George Stephanopoulos gave Hillary a harder time than Tim Russert did Obama during their respective appearances on This Week and Meet the Press today. Russert never pinned Obama down on exactly what he knew of Rev. Wright's most controversial assertions and when he knew it.
Over on ABC, Stephanopoulos twice challenged Hillary to name a single economist who supported her proposal for a gas-tax holiday, and threw in her face the fact that even her big admirer in economist ranks, Paul Krugman of the NY Times, has criticized her over it. In exposing her inability to name a single practitioner of the dismal science who supported her plan [McCain, who's also called for a gas-tax holiday would presumably be similarly hard-pressed], Stephanopoulos left Clinton looking like a panderer. Stephanopoulos raised the issue right out of the box.
View video here.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Nearly every editorial board and economist in the country has come out against [your gas-tax holiday proposal]. Even a supporter of yours, Paul Krugman of the New York Times calls it "pointless and disappointing." Can you name one economist, credible economist who supports the suspension?
CLINTON: Well, you know George, I think we've been for the last seven years seeing a tremendous amount of government power and elite opinion basically behind policies that haven't worked well for the middle class and hard-working Americans. From the moment I started this campaign I've said that I am absolutely determined that we're going to reverse the trends that have been going on in our government and in our political system because what I have seen is that the rich have gotten richer, a vast majority—I think something like 90% of the wealth gains over the last seven years, have gone to the top 10% of wage earners in America.
STEPHANOPOULOS: But can you name an economist who thinks this makes sense?
CLINTON: No. Well, I'll tell you what, I'm not going to put my lot in with economists because I know if we did it right—if we actually did it right—if we had a president who used all the tools of the presidency we would design it in such a way that it would be implemented effectively.
So Hillary's not going to put her "lot in with economists." I wonder on what other issues she'll ignore their advice?
BONUS COVERAGE: Hillary's Misleading Suggestion on Oil Market Manipulation
In the discussion that preceded Hillary's admission that she couldn't name an economist who supported her tax-holiday proposal, Clinton made a very misleading statement regarding the cause of high oil prices. In claiming that "there's been market manipulation," Hillary stated:
I am absolutely convinced that these record profits of the oil companies are a result of a number of factors beyond supply and demand. I think there's been market manipulation. In fact, an ExxonMobil official testifying under oath before the House of Representatives committee, said that if it were just market factors then the price of oil would be like $50 or $55 a barrel. We know that there's market manipulation going on, so I would launch an investigation if I were president right now by the Department of Justice and the Federal Trade Commission.
Hillary was clearly implying that the ExxonMobil exec gave evidence buttressing her allegation of market manipulation. He didn't. Clinton was almost surely referring to the testimony on April 1, 2008 before the House Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming by Stephen Simon, Senior Vice President, ExxonMobil. I haven't uncovered the transcript of Mr. Simon's testimony, but here's how committee described Simon's testimony in an official press release [emphasis added]:
[T]he number two executive at ExxonMobil testified before this Committee that speculation, along with geopolitical instability and a weakening dollar, was responsible for half of current oil prices – that based only on supply and demand, the price of a barrel of oil should only be $50-$55!
Simon made no mention of the "market manipulation" to which Hillary referred. Rather than supporting Hillary's dark suggestion of a vast oil-wing conspiracy, the executive ascribed the portion of the prices in excess of $50-55/barrel to "speculation, geopolitical instability and a weakening dollar." He certainly didn't testify to the existence of a price-fixing scheme. For that matter, I don't know where the exec studied economics, but in my book "speculation" is just a pejorative term for market forces.
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.





















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Although I turned in late, I watched this and
Sun, 05/04/2008 - 12:24 ET by Delsaall I can say is POOR George.
When she stood up, it was to send him a message.
Who do you think you are? I am MUCH bigger and more imporgtant than you are!
George stood up to say to her. This is MY show and I can handle you!
When she said to George (paraphrasing here) When you used to work for US, before you were a pundit...
Was her way of putting him in his place. She cleaned his clock by talking over him and taking control of his show.
Poor George!
translation
Sun, 05/04/2008 - 14:04 ET by mom_roxtranslation: My testicular fortitude is MUCH bigger than yours.
A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
- George Bernard Shaw, 1944
they are putting
Sun, 05/04/2008 - 15:06 ET by docbtestesterone in her BOTOX shots.... What a lying conniving, manipultive b***h...go hme so we can get you out of the senate ,too.
This woman is so
Sun, 05/04/2008 - 12:32 ET by Delsaunderwhelming!
I can't believe these are the candidates we have to choose from.
However, it is a clear demonstration of what happens when we leave the nominating process to independents, moderates, and democrats.
Delsa
Sun, 05/04/2008 - 15:11 ET by jefflebowskiWhy not include Baptists in that list? They sure divebombed the best candidate we had.
Jeff... Who would that
Sun, 05/04/2008 - 15:15 ET by Clear thinkerJeff...
Who would that candidate be?
"Abstain from McCain"
Gee Clear, I wonder?
Sun, 05/04/2008 - 21:29 ET by jefflebowskiWho the Baptists and evangelicals teamed up with McPain to knock out of the race? Only the best chance we had. I'm talking about the President in 2012.....ROMNEY
Thanks jeff... I was just
Sun, 05/04/2008 - 21:34 ET by Clear thinkerThanks jeff...
I was just curious as to who you thought was such a darn good candidate.
I'm not one that would agree with your choice, but hey.... it's a free country. You can wish for a RINO, but not me.
"Abstain from McCain"
Clear
Sun, 05/04/2008 - 21:43 ET by jefflebowskiYou know, I also have a hard time believing that Romney is a dyed in the wool conservative with all of the flip-flops. But to get elected in Mass. I guess you have to lean a little to the left at the time.
But I do believe that he would remember who butters his bread (unlike W) and realize that it is conservatives would would get him elected. Also, he isn't a life long politician and also has been a success with everything that he has been associated with. I think he will move further and further to the right in the next 4 years.
jeff... I understand your
Sun, 05/04/2008 - 21:48 ET by Clear thinkerjeff...
I understand your thinking, he's just not my cup of tea. But I will give him this... he would be better than McCain even on his worst day.
"Abstain from McCain"
Now here I couldn't agree
Sun, 05/04/2008 - 21:55 ET by bigtimerNow here I couldn't agree more...
Just throwing that in here...it's a slow night. ;-)
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
I can't wait to have such a
Sun, 05/04/2008 - 12:37 ET by ThisnThatI can't wait to have such a thoughtful, experienced, and knowledgeable person like Clinton as POTUS. And did I mention kind, sweet, and good-looking too? The way her original thinking is translated into honey-coated phrases like "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" and "I'm going to take those oil-company profits" makes me want to vote today, not wait till November. Such a long time from now -- I guess all I can do is dream about the possibilities .....
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Way to go George!
Sun, 05/04/2008 - 14:23 ET by Vonubecause I know if we did it right—if we actually did it
right—if we had a president who used all the tools of the presidency we
would design it in such a way that it would be implemented effectively.
To HRC it matters not what thing is done but how that thing is done. A stupid idea implemented effectively is worse than a stupid idea poorly implemented.
If HRC wants traction with oil market manipulation idea she should read Ted Bulter's writings on the silver market manipulation.
http://www.investmentrarities.com/wc-arch.html
Victims
Sun, 05/04/2008 - 14:28 ET by Jerry MackI watched part of this interview. I get irritated but am able to calm myself down by reminding myself that she is not talking to me. She is talking to all the self imposed and convinced victims of various conspiracies.
Exxxon/Mobil merger occurred during the Clinton administration
Sun, 05/04/2008 - 15:08 ET by cmujellyHow can we expect her to be tough on oil companies, etc. when her husband's adminstration allowed Exxon to merge with Mobil?
No Economist's Lot
Sun, 05/04/2008 - 15:44 ET by CellaHillary, go home and take your gas tax holiday with you. No economists are going to put their lot in with you.
When are you going to get it? Nobody likes you. You can't catch good will in a bottle. (or a gas can)
Looking at you withers my soul.
Oh this is all so rich
Sun, 05/04/2008 - 17:31 ET by bigtimerOh this is all so rich coming from her...just he words from her own lips, the rich get richer....she ought to know all about that ...just priceless Hill...
Hillary and her husband while in power are the very critters that have aided and abetted in all of this problem, we would have oil coming from ANWR by now if it wasn't for his veto or two...I am sick of hearing about all of this, congress is directly responsible for all of this, she can cry all she wants to about OPEC, getting the Justice Dept. involved with investigations, on and on, McCain too by the way, which he had better have to answer questions on his vote against drilling here within too, while he yelps about NO MORE $$$ going to the terrorists for oil...all lying hypocrites about all of this....they are the ones who should be run out of office...NOT into a higher one...
Anything to pander for votes...
George tried, but she is used to duck and cover....as we all know, just ask her!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Perhaps someone can enlighten me...
Sun, 05/04/2008 - 17:51 ET by sarcasmoHow is Hillary Clinton's gas tax holiday any different from John McCain's gas tax holiday? Thanks.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Caution on dismissing Gas Tax Reform for Partisan Politics
Mon, 05/05/2008 - 07:15 ET by PopularTechIt isn't different than McCain but since Clinton is saying it you get the knee-jerk reaction to it. Economists do not have a problem with getting rid of or reducing gas taxes they have a problem with it being a "Holiday" or short term non-solution. Repealing the federal gas tax will reduce gas prices "long-term". We are finally talking about gas taxes which are ripping us off at 47 cents a gallon and we should not waste this opportunity by turning it into partisan politics. The argument should be that this needs to be a "long-term" solution and not just a holiday. Dismissing this now will drop gas tax reform as a viable option to the public and this is a dangerous idea. Conservatives should not dismiss tax reform for partisan politics.
Attention Sen. McCain: Moderation in the Pursuit of Tax and Spending Cuts is No Virtue (Cato Institute)
"John McCain is absolutely correct to blame the SPR for helping to drive-up world crude oil prices. Oil economist Phil Verleger, for instance, thinks that federal fill orders for the SPR has driven up the price of crude by at least $10 a barrel and perhaps as much as $30. But why only temporarily stop the madness? Now’s a good time to dump the all federal inventories on the market and shut the SPR down once and for all. If we’re lucky, we’ll burst what may be an oil price bubble along the way and finally have something positive to show for the tens of billions of dollars of taxpayer funds that have been sunk into this white elephant. The same goes for the federal gasoline tax. John McCain of all people should know that federal gasoline tax revenues are steroids for localized pork and special-interest subsidy. Road construction and maintenance (and the taxes that pay for them) should be turned back to state and local governments. [...] Over the long term, a cut in federal gasoline taxes would indeed reduce pump prices."
The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource
From an economic sense, I
Mon, 05/05/2008 - 09:57 ET by dscottFrom an economic sense, I like the idea of halting the filling of the Strategic Petroleum Resevere when the price of oil is high. If you are going to store oil, you should do so as cheaply as possible when there is a glut of oil.
I am against repealing the federal gasoline tax unless that money is not going to where it should like building roads. Either the Highway Trust Fund is a legitimate service to the motoring public or it is not. If not, then repeal the tax permanently, otherwise if legitimate suspending the tax is a stupid idea. A tax "holiday" is just a pandering gimmick since #1, it deprives the Highway Trust Fund of money (which will never be recovered) delaying road building projects, #2 it doesn't solve the structural problem caused by incompetent government policies and #3 it ensures a price hike at the end of the period which negatively shocks the economic system.
Repeal the ethanol mandates and subsidies and watch the price of gasoline go down substancially. Why else do you think refiners have to shut down for maintenance when the mandated ethanol blends change every season of the year???? Why else does the price of gas go up when the refiners are shut down? Why else does the price of gas go up when incompetent Dems and malicious econuts block every attempt at refinery construction?
We know that there's market manipulation going on, so I would launch an investigation if I were president right now by the Department of Justice and the Federal Trade Commission.
Interesting comment coming from someone who made lots of money in the futures market. But I agree with Hillary on this one there is manipulation going on but neither She as POTUS nor the Congress can do anything about manipulation in the FOREIGN markets. What needs to happen is transparency of the Foreign futures market. Only the Europeans can make that happen and they don't have a vested interest in doing so.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
The Federal Government Gets Plenty of Tax Money
Mon, 05/05/2008 - 10:41 ET by PopularTechThe Highway Trust Fund could be paid for by getting rid of any number of wasteful spending programs done by the Fed. Eliminate Foreign aid and you could pay for our roads and then some.
Abolish the Federal Gasoline Tax! (Cato Institute)
Don't Increase Federal Gasoline Taxes—Abolish Them (Cato Institute)
The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource
I like the user fee concept
Mon, 05/05/2008 - 11:12 ET by dscottI like the user fee concept instead of general revenue concept. User fee implies specific use of the collected money, money going into the general Treasury is easily misspent. Why not just simply get rid of the wasteful spending programs? We agree on the ends but just disagree on the specific means of reaching that end.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Hillary sure has become
Sun, 05/04/2008 - 20:13 ET by stratmanHillary sure has become quite the comedienne during her run for the roses.
I had a good laugh when she sneaked in her plan to stop purchasing oil for the Strategic Reserve AND release some of it to consumers. In her universe, who cares how much oil will cost to replace what she squandered, opps, I mean released. IIRC, last time we tried that, a good share of the oil never found American consumers as it was sold to foreign nations/groups. Even if not true, there is no reason to dip into the oil emergency fund when it will not impact the situation overall except to make us slightly more vulnerable to oil imports.
Additionally, Hillary wants to add a gas tax holiday to her recipe. And screw economists (real ones, not NYT's Krugman) because Hillary knows the right way to do it.
Heaven help us.
RRAM Tough!
Very damning
Mon, 05/05/2008 - 02:42 ET by OrroI don't have much of an opinion on Hillary one way or the other BUT not being able to name one economist is very damning. Did she get stage fright and have memory failure (not likely considering her brazen response), are these small details covered by her staff or is the Gas holiday such a minor issue that she does not even bother remembering the details???
Otto http://www.dragonlasers.com
There are no
Mon, 05/05/2008 - 11:22 ET by docbEconomists who believe it more than pandering to the voter...
She will not get it passed Congress and Bush would never sign it.