CORRECTION: This item originally cited Ace of Spades as having uncovered that Obama's mentor was Frank Marshall Davis, a man with Communist roots. It was in fact Cliff Kincaid at Accuracy in Media. I regret the error.
Religion is the opiate of the masses. -- Karl Marx, 1843
It's not surprising that they get bitter, they cling to . . . religion . . . as a way to explain their frustrations. -- Barack Obama, 2008
Has anyone else pointed out the striking similarity between Barack Obama's recent statement about tough economic times driving people to religion and that of another person who preached change: Karl Marx?
Obama added guns and xenophobia to his list of proletarian elixirs for bitterness. But the fundamental point remains: Barack apparently doesn't take religion, his own or anyone else's, too seriously. It's not a search for truth or an attempt to live in accordance with God's word. It's just a way to get by, a stupefacient that helps proles endure the pain of living in an economy unfairly dominated by the "haves." Karl would concur.
This morning's Today did take up the controversy that Obama's remark has kicked up. View video here.
Of course there was no suggestion at Today that Obama might have been channeling Marx. But is the notion outlandish? Consider what Cliff Kincaid at Accuracy in Media has uncovered about Frank Marshall Davis, the mentor Obama almost surely describes in his book Dreams from My Father:
[T]hrough Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his "poetry" and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just "Frank."
The reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What's more, anti-communist congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in several communist-front organizations.
Trevor Loudon, a New Zealand-based libertarian activist, researcher and blogger, noted evidence that "Frank" was Frank Marshall Davis in a posting in March of 2007.
Will the MSM get around to exploring Obama's radical roots and abiding ideology? A few more candid statements from the candidate along the lines of his "clinging to religion" remark, might just force the media's hand.
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.
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MSM must respond..
April 12, 2008 - 08:36 ET by Mr. Terry"Will the MSM get around to exploring Obama's radical roots and abiding ideology? A few more candid statements from the candidate along the lines of his "clinging to religion" remark, might just force the media's hand."
Good question...Is the MSM going to continue ignoring the elephant in the room?
Yes
April 12, 2008 - 08:44 ET by OldSailor88This will be ignored and smoothed over just like the Rev. Wright
incident. The MSM is too far in the bag for Hussein to reverse course
now. The great thing about this is the fact that the longer the Dems
run, the more they destroy themselves.
Stultus est sicut stultus facit
I agree OldSailor
April 12, 2008 - 12:10 ET by DEVILDOCMOMHere is a recent quote from bho trying to explain what he really meant: "“I didn’t say it as well as I should have,” Obama said in Muncie, Ind. “Because the truth is, these traditions that are passed on from generation to generation, those are important...".
Wonderful, now he is saying small town America passes on a tradition of bitterness. What a guy.
I know none of us here will forget this demeaning statement, but the failing media will let it go by the beginning of next week.
Thank you for your service.
PS Did anyone else hear the speech he gave in (I think) Indiana where he said the right to bear arms was a "tradation"...sure later in the speech he mentioned the Second Amendment, but we can see where he is really coming from in his beliefs.
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. Norman Thomas
Oh hell...
April 12, 2008 - 13:58 ET by RackieThe MSM always point out the elephant. It's the jackass they ignore.
Anti Trade???
April 12, 2008 - 08:57 ET by tommycI thought Obama was the one who was anti trade, not the bitter, poor buggers in small town USA.
Imploding Dem party
April 12, 2008 - 09:02 ET by Mr. TerryObama is so far left that he's making Hillary look like a moderate. Even though people can't stand her royal deceitfulness these kinds of comments might keep her in the race a little longer...Dems are imploding because of all this. Obama just insulted 3/4's of the country with his elitist arrogance.
This is the time for McCain to make a stand for middle America and conservative values. He could have a landslide if he would.
The Dems are imploding? I
April 12, 2008 - 09:44 ET by NL207The Dems are imploding? I think not!
While I think the Dem chance to gain the Whitehouse this year are slim to none, at the same time, they will extend their conttrol over both houses of Congress. The Schumer/Emmanuel strategy is working to perfection. The massive smear campaign they have been waging with Media complicity has born bountiful fruits. In our region, the Republicans are having great difficulty recruiting quality candidates for the House and Senate. No one wants to run on the Republican Party line because they all know full well they will be subjected to harassment, invasion of privacy, false charges an even burglary in the quest for dirt.
The thing I find most amazing about all of this is Schumer himself. This is a man who clearly violated the Hatch Act as a Congressman. He was censured by his own party for this corruption but was never prosecuted. Now he is an influential Senator pedaling his filth wherever and whenever. He belongs in jail.
NL -- and are you worried
April 12, 2008 - 10:16 ET by Jack BauerNL -- and are you worried at how many Bills, a President McCain is going to veto?
Unless the Reps hold onto 41 cast-iron Senate (non-RINO) votes there's trouble right here in River City, meworries!
I agree NL
April 12, 2008 - 10:23 ET by ahusserThere is a lot of animosity against McCain among conservatives, warranted or not. If he is elected (and I think he will be) it will be a hard Presidency. He will be up against a democratic congress. His only defense will be the bully pulpit and the veto. He only will be able to hold the line. There will be no advancing any GOP (read conservative) initiatives. He will be attacked from within his party and overwhelmingly from the dims and the media. He will be marginalized like President Bush was. I blame the present Administration and GOP congress for this. It was their's to lose and they did, through a combination of lack of foresight, insight, ignorance and arrogance.
"I blame the present
April 12, 2008 - 11:36 ET by shawn228"I blame the present Administration and GOP congress for this. It was
their's to lose and they did, through a combination of lack of
foresight, insight, ignorance and arrogance."
100 percent agree
Dems can still win the White House
April 12, 2008 - 11:33 ET by shawn228Things look grim for the Dems right now, but if Obama and Hillary run on the same ticket, there is a very good chance they can get back the voters they lost.
Even if they don't, the election is 7 months away, anything can happen between now and then.
no chance
April 12, 2008 - 12:36 ET by mbuelNo chance in hell the two will run on the same ticket come november... Remember it was Hillary who was riding the Wright issue, and Obama has ridden the issues about Hillary.
might be the only way
April 12, 2008 - 13:47 ET by shawn228Each side knows that whoever wins will face a revolt from the other camp. If they put the other as the VP the revolt might not be as strong and Dems will be united again.
seriously
April 15, 2008 - 09:40 ET by mbuelNo way in hell. Look at how HRC is using this speech in San Fran against him, and how BHO, is responding to her. There is simply no way. Plus given how repulsive BHO is making himself to moderates, such a ticket would probably hurt the both of them more.
The facts:
In polls dems indicate that if Obama was picked 26% would vote for McCain. If it was vice versa 16% would vote for McCain over Hillary.
HRC has gained 20 points in polls over BHO in Pennsylvania. That's a huge gain in such a short amount of time, and it's only going to increase as BHO steps in it every time he opens his mouth.
If Obama is the nominee,
April 12, 2008 - 15:30 ET by NL207If Obama is the nominee, and barring a miracle comeback by Clinton, he will be, the national election campaign will focus in on all this radical left philosophy of Obama. Quite frankly, if everyday Americans knew exactly where he stood on every issue instead of this rhetorical pablum he broadcasts, he could not even be re-elected Senator from Illinois, much less President. He may as well be a card-carrying Communist. I personally regard the man as a public enemy.
Gray Davis found out what happens even amongst the bluest voters when the toilets don't flush and the lights don't come on. Obama's policies are the essence of these kinds of problems.
Everything is all Bushs fault
April 12, 2008 - 20:05 ET by shawn228That is what many people in America think. Gas prices are high, we are at war, most think we are in a recession including Greenspan.
It is not all Bush's fault, but enough people think it is to make a huge difference
If Obama keeps driving this point home if he is the nominee and brings up Katrina and the war enough times, it could win him the White House.
The people that think McCain will take this quite easily are in a for a rude awakening
Hey shawn, if Obama keeps
April 12, 2008 - 20:11 ET by bigtimerHey shawn, if Obama keeps inserting foot when opening mouth I wouldn't be so sure he is the one going against McCain quite yet...looks likely, there is always that word...but.......he is really digging himself a hole.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Hi BT
April 12, 2008 - 20:26 ET by shawn228Yeah, BO and HRC and her husband have been real full lately from eating so many feet.
I feel enough American's want a new direction that by the time November comes around, Obama will have a crack at it. Depends if he can wrestle enough moderates and independents from McCain. Also don't forget many conservatives will be staying home this November. I know Pop Tech and CT said they would never vote for McCain.
Evenin' shawn... Just
April 12, 2008 - 20:36 ET by bigtimerEvenin' shawn...
Just because some of us may not vote for McCain doesn't mean we are staying home and not voting.
...for me it all depends on his pick for VP, which I have said before.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Thats true for you bt. I
April 12, 2008 - 20:40 ET by shawn228Thats true for you bt. I remember you saying that as well. PopTech however pledged never to vote for McCain and CT said he will pencil in Thompson. Freestinker has even wrote a thread on never voting for a Rhino, but knowing him, he will just do what the other cool kids do.
Well shawn, I repect each
April 12, 2008 - 20:43 ET by bigtimerWell shawn, I respect each posters choice.
Even if it hard for some of us to do with each other at times like this.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Extend their control over Congress?
April 12, 2008 - 14:23 ET by maryerinWhen the Democratic Controlled Congress has a lower approval rating then President Bush? You must be joking.
The big print giveth, and the fine print taketh away.
Fulton J. Sheen
Pull your head out of the
April 12, 2008 - 22:40 ET by NL207Pull your head out of the sand and look around you. Do you see Republicans lined up to challenge Dem encumbents? I don't. I do see Dems lined up to challenge for a large number of seats presently occupied by retiring Republicans. This is a measure of the political tide.
NL... Well here is a bit
April 12, 2008 - 22:50 ET by bigtimerNL...
Well here is a bit of what may good news for the House anyway...
I know all about the vacancies in the Senate too...I do hope Heather Wilson wins the seat in NM taking Domenici's place...I haven't studied up on others quite yet...we will be lucky though to keep the dems from getting 60....so far anyway.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
The Dems have their
April 13, 2008 - 01:34 ET by NL207The Dems have their vets too.
The fact that you are talking about keeping the Dems below 60 in the Senate says it all. Some folks would say that is a rear guard action. We aren't talking about geting 51. We are talking about keeping the Dems from getting 61! That's a sign of defeat.
yep
April 12, 2008 - 12:39 ET by mbuelMcCain will Landslide, the dems are going to self destruct!
The question becomes, as another poster put below, can we get or KEEP enough solid conservatives in to keep dem policies from being railroaded through?
How many voted against the housing boondogle that gave money to dem groups like ACORN?
How many voted against the welfare check for every American, even if they didn't pay taxes?
Let me put it another way, regardless of which party wins big in November, the Americans will still be hurting... it's simply a matter of degrees, and I frankly would like to keep the oven turned down as low as possible and rally behind a solid Conservative for 2012.
"McCain will Landslide, the
April 12, 2008 - 21:37 ET by lotr"McCain will Landslide, the dems are going to self destruct!"
While I like seeing optimists out there, this is a still wishcast. Be sure to vote (and pray) that neither Democrat gets elected. I fear that either one of them still has a chance in the general election. There is an anti-Republican sentiment out there, some of it warranted, most of it not. But make no mistake, McCain is far better than the Attack of the Leftist Clones (HRC and BHO).
Edge to McCain
April 12, 2008 - 21:57 ET by JerWell, lotr...I've noted several times over the past few months that the Dems should have coasted to victory this November. But a combination of hubris and ineptitude has given you guys more than a fighting chance.
So, I think it will be relative close, but I give McCain the edge--as long as he continues to be a "voice of sanity, reason, and moderation, while Obama and the Clintons destroy each other. As a Democrat, I fear by the time there is an actual nominee, the inevitalble "unification" will be too little and too late. Too much damage will already have been done.
Jer
anti-republican sentiment
April 14, 2008 - 09:04 ET by mbuelI think most of the "anti-republican" sentiment came from republican voters... some of it warranted (like the war on our borders, language and culture that the republicans refuse to defend) some of it not, (like the constant war against conservatism by the media that paints any conservative action as a bad one.)
IMO, the voters that were feeling this antipathy towards the party, WERE going to vote for Obama. In fact some of them did vote for Obama in the primaries. (you can see this in early polling), but Obama's continual self destruction, by insulting the very people that he should be trying to attract will ensure that those voters do not vote for him.
And that doesn't even include the pro-union dems that are currently backing HRC.
I know I feel insulted being
April 13, 2008 - 16:38 ET by mjgI know I feel insulted being a blue collar worker who advocates religion, and the second amendment. I don't want him to be our next president, since he really seems so out of touch with us.
Everything...
April 12, 2008 - 09:04 ET by AlgerHissEverything... everything....about this guy reeks of Marx. That a devotee of Marx-Engels has gotton this close to the White House is truly frightening.
Rochester, Minnesota: A Fem_Leftist City!
Contrast Hillary's method of deceit with Obama's method
April 12, 2008 - 09:08 ET by jrichThe contrast between Hillary Clinton's method of deceit and Barack Obama's method of deceit is very instructive, and frightening. Hillary Clinton (and Bill) are straightforward liars. They lie. And when they get caught (happening more and more) they use some lame excuse like "I misspoke".
Obama on the other hand, and his enablers, use the "out of context" excuse. Insulting. They attempt to make YOU believe that if you were more thoughtful or more careful, you would understand and agree with what Obama said. In other words, you're stupid for misunderstanding what Obama meant.
Hillary Clinton's brand of deceit, straightforward lying, relies on enablers and the media to give her a pass.
Barack Obama's brand of deceit, you didn't understand the entire context, relies on the belief that his listeners are stupid.
Both methods of deceit are unacceptable for a wannabe President; however, Obama's brand of deceit is far more insulting.
jrich: A very provocative
April 12, 2008 - 10:54 ET by QueenMumjrich: A very provocative analysis. You're absolutely right. Obama's rhetoric is designed to confuse in such a way that the average listener is made to think that the only reason they can't understand what he's trying to say is because his rhetoric is so lofty. And the true-believers are willing to concede. So who are the truly ignorant ones?
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Communist
April 12, 2008 - 09:47 ET by JoelCTI have been saying that Obama is a Communist since the middle of last year, when he finally started talking some specifics about this "Change" he wants to make to America. I have yet to see anything on video or in words that refutes my assertion.
This is serious stuff, yet it is completely ignored in the media.
Mark, the answer to you last question is, "No." They know he is a Communist, but their Liberal White Guilt won't allow them to mention it.
Old term
April 12, 2008 - 09:54 ET by docbGo to the clinton playbook and update your verbiage...They are using Marxist now...Both are irrelevent arguments. He is neither..
Yes he is. He was schooled
April 12, 2008 - 10:00 ET by Jack BauerYes he is. He was schooled well by Marxist jerk Saul Alinsky.
He reeks of semi-literate Marxist verbiage. Oozes out of every orrifice.
The fact that you have no idea about it, means less than a bucket of warm spit. Who cares what you don't know?
Not me.
Was the bucket's source
April 12, 2008 - 11:30 ET by pbanks7Was the bucket's source tobacco or post-nasal?
Sorry, I just left he captionfest.
MSM - shaping all the perceptions you need to believe.
Obama says the wackiest things, no kidding!
April 12, 2008 - 09:54 ET by Jack BauerI'm clinging to religion... sorry, must be because I'm a typical white person!
Unlike Barack Oblarney, who only clings to his religion teacher, the Racist Wright!
By the way... about those bitter white voters being anti-free trade... I thought that was Barack's position?
He's against NAFTA and the freetrade agreement with Columbia, currently under siege from typical commie dictators and narco-terrorists.
And as for bitter, man have you heard your wife recently Barack? She's got a chip on both shoulders, and a foot in her mouth. That's hard.
Hey... I wonder if Michael Vick is a typical black person?
The funny thing is, Democrats seriously think this guy can win the general.
Obama's & Dim Party platform (John Lennon's "Imagine")
April 12, 2008 - 10:04 ET by ahusserImagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
The worst song Lennon ever
April 12, 2008 - 10:11 ET by Jack BauerThe worst song Lennon ever wrote. I blame Yoko Ono for cutting him off at the balls.
Way to neuter one half of the greatest band ever Yoko. (IMHO).
Yes yes Barack, I admit it. I'm very bitter!!! Okay!!
The Communist Manifesto
April 12, 2008 - 10:25 ET by ahusserIt's the communist manifesto set to music:)
True, Jack
April 12, 2008 - 21:46 ET by lotrIndeed, one might say also that it was a very "Obama-esque" song -- the underlying message was very insidious, on the surface sounding very benevolent, with a very lovely, peaceful melody, attractive to young, idealistic kids.
I now intensely dislike this song, now that I fully understand its insidious message.
Imagine all the people
April 12, 2008 - 21:55 ET by botgsharing all the world
while i got my 1/2 billion tucked away today
yahaha
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
Half a billion eh
April 12, 2008 - 22:04 ET by bigtimerHalf a billion eh botg...
....Brother can you spare a dime?
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
i already shared
April 12, 2008 - 22:12 ET by botgi gave you my song
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
LOL... "Never murder your
April 12, 2008 - 22:19 ET by bigtimerLOL...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Billion Dollar Baby?
April 13, 2008 - 16:23 ET by CobraManBrats in batallions were ruling the streets
Saying generation landslide
Closed the gap between them
And I laughed to myself at the men and the ladies
Who never conceived of us billion dollar babies
La da da ta da
Hypocrisy
April 12, 2008 - 13:02 ET by GothampcWhy can't people see the hypocrisy in this song? John Lennon lived in one of the most exclusive luxury buildings in Manhattan overlooking Central Park. He dined at the finest restaurants. This song is the exact opposite of the way he lived.
Not to mention that Lennon
April 12, 2008 - 21:50 ET by lotrNot to mention that Lennon himself was a very troubled, unsettled, angry man, dare I say, not at all at peace with himself.
"Genius is pain"
UGH
April 12, 2008 - 21:46 ET by maryerinThat song is an anthem for Atheists and Communists.
People say I'm a realist,
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you wake up
And see the world is to diverse to live as one.
The big print giveth, and the fine print taketh away.
Fulton J. Sheen
Good question Mark
April 12, 2008 - 10:06 ET by FastEd" . . get around to exploring Obama's radical roots . . " - I'd like to add - for those of you who might not remember, Andrew Young was going to be the next "big politician", being an 'advisor' to Carter. So, looking at the similarities, I'm thinking that Barry will go the same route as Mr. Young, after all, their thinking is VERY similar.
Let us now see how long it takes the msm(Lsm) to make the comparison.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
What in hell does "clinging
April 12, 2008 - 10:07 ET by ahusserWhat in hell does "clinging to guns" mean.
It means whatever you wish it to mean.
April 12, 2008 - 10:40 ET by Mark_for_SenateTHAT is exactly why Obama is so 'popular'. He speaks in platitudes and 'meaningless' phrases. That way, anyone can read anything into anything he says, and if anyone 'reports' what it means, and the polls look at it 'disfavorably', then he can add some more 'meaningless' words to guide it toward the populist opinion of the day. We (America) are so screwed this election season...
To know and not do, is to not yet know
Obama an empty promise of nothing.
April 12, 2008 - 11:22 ET by CTHe adds the deceit of communism to Karl Marx's socialism whereby the ends justify the means.
"Liberation Theology" is Marxism, "Black Liberation Theology" just adds a special hate of the other to the equation much as Hitler did, but it is pure communism.
Make that two Lennon song lyrics on one blog....
April 12, 2008 - 21:55 ET by lotrHappiness is a warm gun (bang bang shoot shoot)
Wondering if all of obama's
April 12, 2008 - 10:16 ET by GatorgradWondering if all of obama's mentors influenced him?
All you have to do is look at Obama's interview with CNBC's Maria Bartiromo. Link: http://www.cnbc.com/id/23835435Obama Obama continuously uses thinly veiled language like "creating a tax code that is more equitable"or "those of us in the upper brackets have benefited disproportionately from a globalized economy."
It's all there. He is at the very least, a far left Democrat. Unfortunately I feel that based on his mentors and relationships with his church he is more of a socialist that feels that the only solution is wealth redistribution and government controll through taxation of assetts as to create some artificial equality.
Hopefully someone out there will "Swift-Commie" Obama since McCain seems hell bent on some "Play nice" campain.
Honesstly, when was the last time someone made hilary look moderate?
Gator -- I have to disagree
April 12, 2008 - 10:37 ET by Jack BauerGator -- I have to disagree with you on McCain's campaign strategy here.
While I don't like many of his "liberal" positions, McCain (or his team) has correctly sussed out how to combat the saintly Barack Obama. Something the Clintons have never done, except briefly about two months ago.
Obama is a passive-aggressive counter-puncher. The Clintons have been made for him. They have been throwing heavier and heavier punches for a year, and he has just side-stepped and punched them in the face.
You'll note that McCain ain't playing that game. He and his team are just waiting for Obama to say or do something, and then they have been counter-punching back.
It's working too. McCain has got a very fast reaction team working for him. I have to kudos him on that, especially when you consider that McCain is naturally a hyper-hyper aggressive.
Obama's not that bright.
April 12, 2008 - 10:55 ET by pbthinkerI don't believe Obama's that bright. I do believe he has some really good people in his campaign. He has good people that were disenchanted with the Clintons and, during the primary, their focus has been to put the Clintons in their place. He's had the advantage of a fawning press not asking him the tough questions, ones that he has to answer on the spot, especially during the debates. Somehow, you have to believe this will end, during the general election, and the Democrats better do some serious vetting, before then.
IMHO, since they've avoided vetting their candidates, they have the 2 worst candidates left for the general election, but that's just my opinion. For Obama to be elected, the media is going to have to invent experience for him he doesn't have which, for the American media, shouldn't be a problem.
Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.
He's had the advantage of
April 12, 2008 - 11:05 ET by Jack BauerOh sure.
But on those rare occassions the press deigns to ask a question in an open, unscripted session...
have...uh...you....uh... noticed...uh... how....uh .... painfully... uh.... slow....uh and....uh... (PAUSE)....uh.... and.... boring....uh.... this....uh....guy.... uh.... is?
I have, Jack. As the
April 12, 2008 - 11:26 ET by QueenMumI have, Jack. As the campaigning wears on, Obama is beginning to run out of canned responses. He can't answer the tough questions because he at least understands that, if he allows himself to speak candidly, he'll be letting the Bolshevik cat out of the bag.
I am the exotic Queen Mum, and I approved this message.
QM -- seriously, I'm
April 12, 2008 - 11:40 ET by Jack BauerQM -- seriously, I'm thinking he makes McCain look like he's giving a Robin Williams rapid fire delivery.
Athough I am not a psychiatrist, I think you have here a smug introvert without much of a sense of humor, and no ready wit.
Once something departs from script I think you nailed it .. you can see his brain whirling as he trys to work out how to disguise his true intent.
I honestly think McCain can out-debate him in a one on one. I don't like McCain that much, but he's a wily, cunning old goat.
Jack
April 12, 2008 - 11:54 ET by ahusserThe guy (Obama) has to be a tortured soul. Trying to be a white, black, muslim, religious, socialist, Christian with a socialist fascist wife must take a huge toll on one's psyche. The main problem with all those influences on him and his character what kind of person is he in reality. I don't think he or anyone else knows. Totally unprepared and unpredictable and without character or integrity or courage would be my guess. The perfect democratic presidential candidate.
I think you have here a
April 12, 2008 - 17:21 ET by Roger the ShrubberI think you have here a smug introvert without much of a sense of humor, and no ready wit.
So, Jackson, are you saying that John Kerry is running again?
I can't believe you guys are
April 13, 2008 - 00:43 ET by cleverpigI can't believe you guys are going to attack a man trying to replace George Bush for being a little slow with off the cuff remarks. Have you ever heard our president speak without a teleprompter?
yeah uh
April 13, 2008 - 00:54 ET by botgactually he does okay joking with the press and can cogently explain his positions with unrehearsed questions. Does he stumble now and then? yes especially with the word nuclear.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
In the case of the word "nuclear"
April 14, 2008 - 07:27 ET by sarcasmoThere's no "now and then." Bush would have needed to pronounce the word correctly at least once, and AFAIK he has yet to manage that linguistic feat.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
The comparison is
April 14, 2008 - 07:49 ET by PeskyDaneThe comparison is disingenous since our president does not put himself out there as a great speaker. I have been speaking in public for 20 years as part of my job and as an invited guest and I still dread it to this day. I am the fist person to admit that I need to write it down for myself.
Obama, on the other hand is supposed to have this great reputation for public speaking and yet can't seem to string a two thoughts together much less get it past his teeth without intense rehearsal or an ear piece.
BTW, I don't believe you that you've never seen any footage of the president correctly pronouncing that word. The fact that you even assert such an obvious falshood says way too much about you.
What's more, your whole "a plauge on both your houses" libertarian B.S. that you throw around on this site has worn thin.
Nope. I've told the truth, as usual.
April 14, 2008 - 07:52 ET by sarcasmoI have yet to see Bush pronounce that word correctly. I'd welcome video that proves he can, but my words remain the truth. They'll stay true no matter how you try to slant them or slam me as a liar. I'm not. You may not like what I say, but I tell you people the truth daily. Deal with it, because I don't feel like either changing or going away.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Let's try this special test,
April 14, 2008 - 08:07 ET by PeskyDaneLet's try this special test, since you insist on parsing: Using the standard of perponderance, is it more likely that the president has pronounced the word correctly, or less likely?
Frankly?
April 14, 2008 - 08:16 ET by sarcasmoI'd put the chances of anyone finding & posting video/audio of Bush pronouncing it correctly at about 50/50.
It remains a 100%-wrong "nukular" from every instance I've ever heard out of his mouth, just as I said, with 0% correct. But I'm not a big fan of political speeches from Presidents, so if a correct pronunciation instance can be found, it's not too likely that I heard it.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Sarc...
April 14, 2008 - 18:24 ET by PeskyDaneOK, that's fair.
Yes.. and he sounds better
April 14, 2008 - 07:16 ET by Jack BauerYes.. and he sounds better than Obama. So what's your point?
My point is that Obama is a manufactured fraud with a ersatz black church preacher style of rhetoric that collapses outside specific controlled environments.
He is also very very boring. Not that young (48), and not that good looking (he looks like a big eared peanut).
And what that has to do with a two term President who is leaving office still beats me. Though you seem to find that relevant.
The boring, big-eared peanut
April 14, 2008 - 08:26 ET by JerIf you truly believe the "big-eared peanut" is a "boring, manufactured fraud" as well as a "smug introvert without a sense of humor"; and tend to agree with others here who suggest Obama is "not too bright", you might be interested in this article appearing at the conservative website, townhall.com, submitted by a conservative classmate of Obama during the latter's term as president of the Harvard Law Review.
It's a quick read. I'll be watching for your reaction.
Jer
I never said he wasn't
April 14, 2008 - 08:40 ET by Jack BauerI never said he wasn't "bright." I also don't agree with someone just because they are a fellow conservative.
I think it is becoming gleefully obvious to those of us who were orginally of the mind that Obama would cream McCain (i.e. ME), that this was a false conclusion based on uh -- a mirage.
I always though him an empty spacesuit floating in the vacuum of space -- but, so what? It's all about the perception of articute versus the reality of glib.
But I didn't understand that his whole persona was so paper-thin that he can be punctured quite so easily, when confronted by anything uh,,,, resembling uh... an--- uh... unscripted... uh... questions.
To recycle a cliche -- he's not ready for prime time and that will be painfully exposed during one to one debates. IMHO... and no matter what another fellow Harva Mater thinks.
They do tend to support each other don't they these Ivy Leaguers? No matter the party? Like the Yalees?
I have never bought into
April 14, 2008 - 09:26 ET by JerI have never bought into the Obama "Rock Star" persona, nor am I yet convinced he possesses the "right stuff" to be President--and he has demonstrated that he is not beyond the bewildering, eminently unpolitical, verbal gaffe--but I think you seriously underestimate the man if you consider him just an empty "spacesuit" floating aimlessly in an intellectual vacuum unless reading a canned speech.
Jer
He's had debates. Twenty,
April 14, 2008 - 23:44 ET by cleverpigHe's had debates. Twenty, in fact. The general consensus is that while he doesn't have quite the power of a stand alone oratory, he acquits himself just fine.
Exactly, pb. The reason
April 12, 2008 - 11:09 ET by QueenMumExactly, pb. The reason Obama keeps getting tripped up is that he's "reading" from a script. I think he believes in the message. But he's either not taking the time to analyze his speeches in broad political terms, or he's indeed dumber than the media would have us believe. And that's why I believe there is a movement of some sort - under the radar - that has crafted Obama's image, is funding his campaign, and dictating his purported policies. And it ain't the DNC. Does this make me a member in good standing of the "Tin Foil Hat Society"? Or am I on to something?
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QM -- no, you are on to
April 12, 2008 - 11:23 ET by Jack BauerQM -- no, you are on to something big.
He started courting and making cash donations to the Super-Delegates in... 2005!!
And he's outspent Clinto by 4 to 1 in that effort with about $800,000.
This whole campaign has been carefully crafted and funded going back to at least (I'm guessing) his "rapturously received" speech at the 2004 convention.
There are people behind him in the shaows alright. I imagine SOROS is one name.
Jack: So the 2004
April 12, 2008 - 11:38 ET by QueenMumJack: So the 2004 Convention was Obama's "Coming Out Party" - so to speak. Someone needs to do some good, old-fashioned journalistic detective work and find out more about who created the media darling that is Barack Hussein Obama. What are the chances that's going to happen, Jack?
And how carefully has his campaign funding been scrutinized? I, for one, don't believe the media story that it's all "grassroots" contributions. And I think that the TUCC would be a good place to start looking.
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But...but, Jack...What
April 12, 2008 - 15:00 ET by JerBut...but, Jack...What happened to the Clinton-Soros "Axis of Evil" which has been accepted as an article of faith by the "Fox News/Limbaugh nation/right-wing blogosphere" world for years?
Jer
Jer
April 12, 2008 - 16:51 ET by well99You dont think Soros can pad his bet.Soros has plenty of money and the morals of communist.Soros doesnt care which as long as he gets in some leftist.Obama needs to get his head out of his a$$.People are against illegal immigration.I-L-L-E-G-A-L not L-E-G-A-L immigration.It really torks me when these twits tell such a bald face lie.I dont know or care about right wing this or that but when these putzs lie and think were too stupid to pick up on it I want to give them some wall to wall counseling.
I have said this
April 12, 2008 - 14:08 ET by red_dragon311I have said this before, but I don't like how McCain is handling Barack H-word Obama.
he's too afriad to say anything and be looked at like a racist, bottom line.
So saying Obama would be a good president, saying that the saying of his middle name is offensive...
i am just very dissapointed that a "maverick" is such a ........wuss
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What more does this elitist
April 12, 2008 - 10:32 ET by ConservativeRexWhat more does this elitist bugger Uhbama have to say or do? This is ridiculous. I don't think the voters in PA will let him get by with this crap. But he just doesn't mean PA, he means EVERY small town all over our country.
This rascal had better not ever get close to the White House. When times get difficult most of us lean a little harder on our religion. For him to denigrate that is low and mean. And this little CS has to say something like this in SF. He doesn't have the guts to say it in PA. Let him say this to someone's face, the little yellowbelly.
Not only will we keep our religion, we'll damn sure keep a strong hold on our guns. Someone as weak as this piss ant is will never take either from us. I am at the point where I hope him and his ilk will try.
Obama's courting California...
April 12, 2008 - 22:08 ET by maryerinThe Liberals here in the Bay Area gobbled this tasty dish of bullcrap down very well I'd imagine. Obama obviously wasn't talking about them. They are good little Anti-Military, Anti-Religion, Anti-American Liberals.
The big print giveth, and the fine print taketh away.
Fulton J. Sheen
me... They are good
April 12, 2008 - 22:14 ET by bigtimerme...
They are good little Anti-Military, Anti-Religion, Anti-American Liberals.
Boy did you ever hit the nail right on the head...made me chuckle too...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Well done, Mark. I hope
April 12, 2008 - 10:45 ET by QueenMumWell done, Mark. I hope you've indeed started the ball rolling on Obama's Marxist ideology. And I hope John McCain's campaign is saving up all of these Obama's "slips" in order to make the case against him for the general election. McCain better take the gloves off by then.
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It won't stop
April 12, 2008 - 11:00 ET by HumblepieThe Obama supporters have drank the magic kool-aid. Any anti-religious/government comment made in California is greeted with zeal. While at the same time his tirades lean to the opposite to garner support in the mid-west and Atlantic states. He changes enough words to disguise his platform. Has anyone ever actually heard how he plans on changing things... I don't mean the daily rhetoric that spews from his mouth, I mean the actual nuts and bolts of "HOW" he's going to change it? This man is the best lier we've seen in our lifetime and his wife is not any better.
We need to keep the news services accountable for their action, or lack there of, and publicly chastise them at every opportunity.
Make people like Obie and Chrissy cry like the babies they are.
During this time with political correctness at its zenith, I reserve the right to let you know you're an idiot.
Well humble, if Michelle
April 12, 2008 - 11:29 ET by QueenMumWell humble, if Michelle Obama speaks for her husband, then I presume Sen. Obama's changes involve moving the country in the direction of all-out Socialism. The "pie" needs to be reconstructed in such a manner that all the pieces are equal. Not that all the people are created equal. But that all the people have an equal piece of the pie, whether they've contributed to the ingredients or not. Any person of average intelligence can see that this means more taxes for those who produce the wealth and no accountability for those who choose to wait for others to take care of them. And that such "changes" clearly fly in the face of the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution, and everything that makes America great.
No thank you, Mr. Obama! Go back to Chicago and distribute your own wealth among the disadvantaged on the South Side instead of blaming the government and the taxpayers of America.
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yep she does...
April 12, 2008 - 11:36 ET by Humblepieand since when did the liberal dems care about the consitution. According to them its a document that must be updated to fit the time and to bring us closer to the fold in Europe. I take it you didn't get that memo.. sorry, my bag..
During this time with political correctness at its zenith, I reserve the right to let you know you're an idiot.
Communist
April 12, 2008 - 11:42 ET by iveseenitallSome of us have been saying it for a while now. Obama is a Communist. Don't dismiss it. Anyone who has studied this anti-American philosophy to any extent can see it clearly. I am so glad to see the words "communism" and "Marxism" finally being used in connection with this guy, his wife, his "minister", and so many of his associates. And Barry himself is just not smart enough to hide it until he gets elected. He will be exposed in the general election. The McCain people are waging a nice, passive campaign right now. Good.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal'
McCain has to otherwise the
April 12, 2008 - 11:48 ET by ahusserMcCain has to otherwise the media will try to eviscerate him. The race card will be used frequently.
(sarc on) See. This is why
April 12, 2008 - 12:00 ET by QueenMum(sarc on) See.