It would be enough to make Rev. Jeremiah Wright's accusation that the government created AIDS for purposes of perpetrating a black genocide sound almost rational. OK, scratch that. Nothing will render reasonable that morsel of moonbattery. But has the Rev. Wright's replacement suggested that NPR is . . . a Republican front operation?
As per this Fox News article, the theme of today's Easter sermon at the Trinity United Church of Christ was “How to Handle a Public Lynching,” the victim in question being the Rev. Wright. The controversial pastor's successor, the Rev. Otis Moss III, lit into the national media, coming up with a string of plays on their names to express his contempt:
No one should start a ministry with lynching, no one should end their ministry with lynching. The lynching was national news. The RNN, the Roman News Network, was reporting it and NPR, National Publican Radio had it on the radio. The Jerusalem Post and the Palestine Times all wanted exclusives, they searched out the young ministers, showed up unannounced at their houses, tried to talk with their families, called up their friends, wanted to get a quote on how do you feel about the lynching?” he said.
My best effort at deciphering the Moss code leads me to conclude that by RNN, Roman News Network, he was for whatever reason referring to CNN, that the Jerusalem Post might be the Washington Post [though there is of course an actual paper named the Jerusalem Post], and that the Palestine Times is the New York Times [which would seem to run contradictory to Wright's notion that America is stacked against the Palestinians, but whatever]. But one of the nicknames is unmistakeable: the reverend expressly mentioned "NPR" when dubbing it "National Publican Radio."
Does Rev. Wright's successor see NPR as a cat's paw of the evil Republicans? Now I suppose it's possible, as a reader has suggested, that Rev. Moss was alluding to the parable of the publican and the Pharisee described in Luke 18:10-14. The publican there was a government tax collector, which would be more in keeping with the spirit of NPR. But that would have no relevance to the matter at hand.
The reverend was speaking in a political context about a media conspiracy against Rev. Wright and by extension against Obama. So it seems more likely he had the GOP allusion in mind. And if so, the suggestion that the NPR is a Republican front would make the allegation of a government conspiracy to send crack into the inner cities sound downright plausible.
Update: Could there be an anti-Semitic undertone? Here's the Merriam-Webster definition of publican:
Main Entry:pub·li·can
Pronunciation: \ˈpə-bli-kən\ Function:noun Etymology:Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin publicanus tax farmer, from publicum public revenue, from neuter of publicusDate:13th century1 a: a Jewish tax collector for the ancient Romans b: a collector of taxes or tribute
Hat tip: Allan J. Favish
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.
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As George Will likes to
March 23, 2008 - 14:21 ET by motherbeltAs George Will likes to say: "Well."
It's nice to know it's still "Showtime!" at TUCC.
This is EASTER SUNDAY for crying out loud!!!! And this is his sermon??
He couldn't talk about the Resurrection of Christ?
If I was Ice Cube I’d say it a little differently — You picked the
wrong folk to mess with,”
Is that a threat, Rev. Moss? To whom, pray tell?
The IRS needs to yank this church's 501 status.. like yesterday.
PS: shows you how far left this guy is...he thinks NPR is Republican. And what do Jerusalem and Palestine have to do with it? Nothing. This was just a pathetic attempt at labelling, when he didn't have a clue what he was talking about.
"what do Jerusalem and
March 23, 2008 - 14:24 ET by Mark Finkelstein"what do Jerusalem and Palestine have to do with it? Nothing. This was just a pathetic attempt at labelling, when he didn't have a clue what he was talking about."
Agreed. It was a badly-failed attempt at wit.
"Lynching"
March 23, 2008 - 14:55 ET by dubuquemanWell, Mr. Moss, was Obama part of the lynching party? He did after all denounce Wright's statements. Will this give Barack an excuse to regretfully bow out of this crackpot church? I cannot believe Moss would go down this road so quickly. It's going to be a YouTube hit and prolong this dust-up.
MB
March 23, 2008 - 16:23 ET by DelsaSorry I did not read your post before i muttered something.
I'll prepare better next time
Rev. Otis Moss III
March 23, 2008 - 14:17 ET by BarkerSo, this is Obama's new pastor, right?
Yes, he's the reasonable one
March 23, 2008 - 14:19 ET by Mark FinkelsteinYes, he's the reasonable one ;-)
Who said he was
March 23, 2008 - 14:22 ET by motherbeltWho said he was reasonable?
Kidding, kidding.
March 23, 2008 - 14:23 ET by Mark FinkelsteinKidding, kidding.
OH, I thought before he got
March 23, 2008 - 14:24 ET by motherbeltOH, I thought before he got there, someone had actually said that.
Well, apparently he didn't include any simulated sex....I guess there's that....
Motherbelt
March 23, 2008 - 14:30 ET by BarkerWell, apparently he didn't include any simulated sex....I guess there's that....
That is so funny! Thanks for the laugh.
Guess I should have
March 23, 2008 - 14:33 ET by Mark FinkelsteinGuess I should have mentioned. A bit later, he said: "McCain wants to do to this country what Spitzer did to Kristen!" ;-)
Did he really Mark?
March 23, 2008 - 14:42 ET by motherbeltDid he really, Mark?
(I wouldn't doubt it, but I don't trust you any more LOL!)
No, no, just kidding, that
March 23, 2008 - 14:42 ET by Mark FinkelsteinNo, no, just kidding, that was what the ;-) was intended to indicate.
Well then again, he wasn't
March 23, 2008 - 14:37 ET by motherbeltWell then again, he wasn't talking about "ridin' dirty" so the opportunity didn't present itself, like it did for Wright.
He done riiiiiiiide the
March 23, 2008 - 14:37 ET by MrShyHe done riiiiiiiide the country like he did that Monica Lewinsky!
Or something to that nausiating effect.
And let us not forget:
Condiskeeza Rice
Foul-mouthed, ugly, angry "pastor" (I put that in quotes, like libs put "the surge" in quotes) ..... and now this one.... ugly, angry "pastor" #2.
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Drum this Racist out of Town!
March 23, 2008 - 14:22 ET by ChasvsTime to start treating these racist SOB's with the only thing they know. Take a lesson from our religion of peace islamists!
When will people get --
March 23, 2008 - 14:32 ET by MrShyWhen will people get -- finally come to grips with -- the fact that, there is a segment of the black community (I hate that way of calling it, but can't think of a better one... "community", arg) that lives and breathes this underlying view of whites and "white-controlled" America, and with this replacement Rev., doesn't it make even clearer the fact that this guy, running on the Democratic ticket to be OUR President, is fully tied to this idealogy???
It's frightening, and the MSM should be doing it's job and reporting this to the people. What a SHOCK... they're not.
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What is it with liberals and
March 23, 2008 - 14:36 ET by FairlightWhat is it with liberals and nicknames. In fact, I've never seen so many ways of spelling Republican since Gore took the initiative to start the Internet. Meanwhile, Republicans just stick to plain old Liberal and it throws them into level 4 convulsions.
It's strange how liberals don't even like liberals.
...on second thought it's not so strange.
fairlight
March 23, 2008 - 14:42 ET by shawn228"Meanwhile, Republicans just stick to plain old Liberal and it throws them into level 4 convulsions."
Republicans never use nicknames right?
Clinton News Network
Magic Negro
Hildabeast
BDS
AGW
Clintoon
Demediacrats
Hillary the political whore
Just a tiny sample of the creative names I have heard on NB.
Or in this case...
March 23, 2008 - 14:47 ET by heldmywOtis "Pee-Wee Farrakhan" Moss.
There's just something about a bowtie that says "I haven't got a clue".
lol, that is a good
March 23, 2008 - 14:49 ET by shawn228lol, that is a good one.
Hi Shawn, of those you
March 23, 2008 - 14:50 ET by FairlightHi Shawn, of those you mentioned I've only heard of the Clinton News Network. Surely you can think of more common ones.
Here, I'll make it easy and help jump-start your argument:
1. Libtard
Hey, who you calling a
March 23, 2008 - 14:52 ET by Mark FinkelsteinHey, who you calling a Demoncrat? I think I heard that one on PMSNBC ;-)
Very good. Only on
March 23, 2008 - 17:26 ET by FairlightVery good. Only on Newsbusters will you find conservatives actually helping liberals with their arguments.
I've always said, the way to conservatism is the abilty to argue both sides.
Come on fairlight
March 23, 2008 - 17:33 ET by shawn228there are more than a fair shair of Republican trolls that are quite immature on this site. They get a pass because they are popular members.
America's sweetheart does gangsta rap
Well, one thing I don't do
March 23, 2008 - 18:19 ET by FairlightWell, one thing I don't do is lie to myself like the media does when they omit negative Democrat stories, or try to 'throw tha D.'
I see the occasional bad argument on here made by (R)'s, but I rarely see trolling, especially as opposed to what you see on HuffPo -- a/k/a Weak Argument's R' Us.
If it was that bad I would definitely do what Obama should have done and question why I am even here.
fairlight
March 23, 2008 - 14:59 ET by shawn228BJ Clinton
Bills Arkan..sauce
Goracle
and so on and so on.:-) Any way I guess I proved my point that making nicknames was not patented by the Democrats.
As for "BJ Clinton" That's
March 23, 2008 - 15:13 ET by Gary P JacksonAs for "BJ Clinton" That's his name. William Jefferson Clinton. It is ironic how well the initials apply though!
Shawn, you realize that
March 23, 2008 - 15:10 ET by Gary P JacksonShawn, you realize that "Magic Negro" comes from an LA Times article written by a black man, right?
gary
March 23, 2008 - 15:14 ET by shawn228No I did not Gary. I thought it came from Rush, my mistake. My point was to clarify Conservatives do nick naming as well. If you choose to nitpick about one the many nicknames I have stated, I apologize for not getting that one right.
Shawn, While fairlight
March 23, 2008 - 15:42 ET by Indiana JoeShawn,
While fairlight was speaking of the various nicknames liberals have for conservatives, it seems that most of your examples are derogatory nicknames of people. Nearly anyone's name can be made fun of.
I think the parameters of this contest should maybe be limited to "movement" nicknames. Fairlight's point was the many (un-cited, to be sure) derogatory nicknames for conservatives en masse versus liberals.
So, we already have mentioned "libtard," and "Demediacrats."
Let the games begin! ;^)
How's It Feel?
March 23, 2008 - 15:49 ET by aeroveloTo have your sense of humor surgically removed?
Is it painful?
Cus damn...this could be funny. So relax and enjoy the moment, send us more labels. We want to pick through 'em and contribute our own.
Chimpy Mc Bush-Hitler (my personal favorite)
---
Ask yourself: Do I want a good paying job, or do I want a government hand out. Its that simple!
It is painful aerovelo
March 23, 2008 - 17:23 ET by shawn228It is pretty painful. Your name gave me my sense of humor back. No sarcasm, this is true. I had to do a double take, I thought your name was Areola. lol. Yes this can be fun ;-)
Who said Liberal minds are in the gutter.?
Well, at least you can have
March 23, 2008 - 18:20 ET by FairlightWell, at least you can have a civil discussion and even a bit of humility. Humbleness is probably one thing that liberals lack more than conservatives and it's nice to see you break that mold.
Back to the orig topic, probably the most offensive name I have heard (next to Condaskeeza) is the pathetic moveon.org creation of "General Betrayus."
That's one name that I would think offends both parties.
No apology need! I think we
March 23, 2008 - 20:02 ET by Gary P JacksonNo apology need! I think we all use nicknames for different people and things. It's human nature. Kind of a way of coping, I guess.
I just found it funny you picked BJ Clinton (I've used that one a lot) as it is his name, and of course the Magic Negro one, because it came from a black liberal journalist.
It's a funny old world sometimes.
I'm sure he does, and he
March 23, 2008 - 15:21 ET by motherbeltI'm sure he does, and he will say Well Republicans use it as a pejorative."
Either that, or that Ehrenstein is a closet Republican.
Shawn228
March 23, 2008 - 19:15 ET by BondPlainBondOut of curiosity, and for my own personal edification, would you be so kind as to do your best to remember how many people you told it was Rush Limbaugh that began the "Magic Negro" nick? Thank you. I very much appreciate your efforts on my behalf.
/rhetorical
bondPlainbond
March 23, 2008 - 20:52 ET by shawn228To be honest, I don't remember where I heard it. I might have got it by osmosis. Egad what have those Liberal scientist done now?
Shawn228
March 24, 2008 - 12:48 ET by BondPlainBondThanks for your reply, but that was not what I asked.
I did not ask where you had heard it,
I asked how many people you discussed the "Magic Negro" story with and incorrectly attributed the quote to Rush Limbaugh.
The thing is, Shawn228, the dissemination of wrong, false, and deliberately incorrect information seems to be a trend with one side of the aisle.
Yes, you have admitted your error, thank you, but I wonder, if in the future, you will check the facts first before disscussing a story in which the facts are unknown to you.
bondplainbond
March 24, 2008 - 21:43 ET by shawn228I did not discuss the story with anybody. It was just one of the names I just thought about at the bottom of my head for nickname for liberals.
"Yes, you have admitted your error, thank you, but I wonder, if in the
future, you will check the facts first before disscussing a story in
which the facts are unknown to you"
I will certainly try bpd. If I am wrong in the future though, I hope people will actually tell me I did something wrong instead of keeping it inside. Somehow I think it will be the former instead of the latter.
Oops! Sorry, GPJ
March 23, 2008 - 21:00 ET by Cape ConservativeI hadn't read your comment before posting mine. At least you confirm my beliefs. Thanks
Shawn
March 23, 2008 - 16:28 ET by Delsamagic negro is LA Times
repeated by Rush in a parody.
Hillary the political whore? from where? She could not make money whoring! Politically or otherwise.
Delsa
March 23, 2008 - 16:35 ET by shawn228I totally admit it, I did not know that it was Rush Limbaugh did not coin that phrase. Hillary was said, by a member of NB. There are many creative names for the Democrats on this site is there not? :-)
actually, Shawn
March 23, 2008 - 16:45 ET by DelsaI thought your stuff was funny.
I did not read the other posts before I said anything. I made the same mistake with MB too.
Redundancy is not my mission. If I have a mission?
Shawn Shawn Shawn
March 23, 2008 - 16:42 ET by Dee Bunksurely you can see a difference between regular sinner folk saying something and a pastor or a professional saying it?
You don't hear those kind of names coming out of the mouths of White Christian Churches and you don't hear them coming from Bush or other Republican leaders. You hear that kind of crap regularly though from Howard Dean, Clinton, Pelosi and the Dem establishment. That's bad enough, but coming from a pastor it's pretty childish, petty and SINFUL.
Sure there are some fiery statements from Fawell and other white preachers but they don't resort to childish name calling.
Dee Dee Dee
March 23, 2008 - 17:29 ET by shawn228Two words Ann Coulter. Or how about Bill O Reilly inviting people to bomb the coit tower in San Francisco
Shawn - Ann Coulter and Bill O'reilly are not religious or
March 23, 2008 - 19:57 ET by Dee Bunkpolitical leaders and Bill O'Reilly isn't even Republican. Why do you always have to change the subject?
Dee
March 23, 2008 - 20:18 ET by MrShyBOR isn't a Republican ???? Really?
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Mr. Shy
March 23, 2008 - 20:28 ET by Dee BunkIt's a secret only us conservatives seem to know. Liberals and so called moderates think anyone who isn't a far left wing fanatic (like Howard Dean, Nacy Pelosi and Barak Obama) is a Republican.
Well, but, I didn't know
March 23, 2008 - 20:36 ET by MrShyWell, but, I didn't know this.... oh wait, I'm still a registered Dem (I know, don't say it :p)
So he's a registerrrrrrrred..... Indie? Libertarian? (whatever that is... again, I'm really stupid w/ some of this party stuff. You can educate me.)
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Bill's a registered
March 23, 2008 - 20:38 ET by sarcasmoAuthoritarian. ;)
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
Dee
March 23, 2008 - 20:43 ET by shawn228One thing I hate is when someone changes the subject, I did not realize I did the same thing. I also did not know this was reserved only religious leaders. You already mentioned Falwell. How about Pat Robertson and........you know that is a bad example. I just woke up from a nap, still groggy. I'll think of something later.
Shawn
March 23, 2008 - 20:51 ET by MrShyHow about Pat Robertson and........you know that is a bad example. I
just woke up from a nap, still groggy. I'll think of something later.
It's now offical... you're the worst debater in the history of debating!
(hahahahaha..... :p)
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mrshy
March 23, 2008 - 20:53 ET by shawn228lol,.......laziest yes, but not the worst :-)
Shawn - the whole significance is that he is a religious leader
March 23, 2008 - 20:55 ET by Dee BunkPat Robertson and Jerry Falwell have been called out many times for their fiery rhetoric but I've never heard them make up silly names for politicians and the news media even though they have had a million times more bad press than Wright.
I guess you just think this type of talk is A okay because regular people do it. You don't think religious leaders or political leaders need to be above the frey. Unfortunately I think many of your liberal compatriots agree. I completely disagree.
Shawn, lol- you, ahh, forgot a few:
March 23, 2008 - 17:01 ET by R D Helm-PMSNBC
-See BS/Clinton Broadcasting Service (CBS)
-All 'bout Clinton (ABC)
-Nuthin' but Clinton (NBC)
-Communist News Network
-DNCTV
-Broom Hilda
-Proletariat Broadcasting Service (PBS)
-Victicrat
And the one I personally reserve for extreme cases only:
-Nose-picking, booger-eating bedwetter.
Hey, just wanted to make sure you have a complete list. :-)
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
Awesome RDH
March 23, 2008 - 17:15 ET by shawn228I shared this one with you in the past but there is
Bills health care
Ok that does not really going with the theme, how bout
Commander in thief
Wicked witch of the west wing
Or how about Bush's nicknames for people.
Shawn
March 23, 2008 - 20:25 ET by RESTLESS 1Ya know I love ya, but AGW? As a perjorative nickname. Sorry, but that is simply Anthropogenic Global Warming, aka, manmade global warming. Not a nickname.
restless1
March 23, 2008 - 20:38 ET by shawn228See how many things I learn on NB? :-)
Shawn
March 23, 2008 - 21:00 ET by RESTLESS 1Happy to inform. :>)
R1
March 23, 2008 - 21:06 ET by shawn228Thx Restless. I look forward to good debates in the future as well, and Ditto on Happy Easter. Most you guys are lucky with as much food as you got, I just got left over Pasta from the Cheesecake Factory.
shawn...when will you
March 23, 2008 - 20:57 ET by Cape Conservativeliberals ever get the message???? Magic Negro was first used by a liberal journalist at the LA Times, I believe. Then Rush picked it up to play with it a while. I find it hilarious that he gets all the credit because of course a liberal would NEVER say such a thing. HA HA HA
Yeeesh CC
March 23, 2008 - 21:03 ET by shawn228I have already admitted my mistake twice, What more do you want? Ok one more time. I was wrong! Hope this makes you feel better.
shawn, E-Z my movie buddy, It's the internet, & the free flow
March 23, 2008 - 22:58 ET by upcountrywaterof electrons, provided by (mostly) oil.
We have arrived at Separation technology. Viewed on the same screen, thousands of miles apart X (90 users@here, now?).
Don't take it personally, ever.
Jesus 3-50 days later after he was killed, appeared to 500 people, some dude even stuck his finger into the holes on Jesus' (arm)hands.
but 3 days earlier this happened in Israel ..Matthew 27: 52-56
God is a Feast ! it's Easter...
Life is Good.
<wake up>SAVVVE The Whales N' Earth; conserve N' recycle !
IranianUranium<sleep>Infrastructure/repair?/ROFLMAO
??????????????????
March 23, 2008 - 23:05 ET by shawn228Have you been going to Dennis Millers school of comedy? I don't get it, could you clarify?
Just fact checking -
March 23, 2008 - 22:15 ET by FastEdMajic Negro was originated at/by the LA Times, hardly a republican news outlet.
and you forgot Her Thighness, Mrs. Suit, algore, demolibs, and of course, what hillobama don't want to be called: Liberal.
But, I digress - what terms, words do the "nut-roots" at kos and other sites use? *$&^@, &$*^%@, )!(&#$%, and my fave - ~^#%$@!!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
One more time
March 23, 2008 - 22:28 ET by shawn228Maybe third time is the charm. For the final time, I did not know it did not come from Rush, I am sorry.
Shawn
March 23, 2008 - 22:32 ET by MrShyMagic Negro was not Rush's creation.
:p
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And here it is, in all its
March 23, 2008 - 22:39 ET by motherbeltAnd here it is, in all its glory.
Maybe now we can put this to bed?????
shy
March 23, 2008 - 22:45 ET by shawn228LMAO, When I am finished laughing, I will remember to be mad at you ;-)
Maybe it's like me & precious metals...
March 23, 2008 - 22:32 ET by sarcasmoAnd we should just put long disclaimers in sigfiles, to appear once per post, as if THAT would satisfy anyone? For the record, I also thought it originated with the Rush Limbaugh parody-song, so I was also mistaken.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
Shawn
March 23, 2008 - 22:51 ET by DelsaNow they are all just pulling your leg.
shawn
March 23, 2008 - 23:11 ET by botgdelsa is right (hey 'Rush is right' too)
listen to Delsa (and Rush)
Sweet 16 sign-ups here
Now, now...
March 24, 2008 - 19:10 ET by TheDeuceMagic Negro is the LA Times' quote. Certainly, you aren't insinuating conservatives have much sway at that rag...
BDS is a nickname? It stands for Bush Derangement Syndrome. WHo was ever called 'BDS' on this website? I've seen several lefties prove that they suffer from BDS, but I never saw a liberal called that.
AGW? Sorry, it's not a nickname.
'Political whore'? No one politician owns that one.
TheDeuce
March 24, 2008 - 21:52 ET by shawn228'Magic Negro is the LA Times' quote. Certainly, you aren't insinuating conservatives have much sway at that rag.."
I will certainly try harder to do more research in the future. I wish somebody let me know about my error
NPR
March 23, 2008 - 14:45 ET by dubuquemanAmazingly, there are plenty of wackos who believe NPR is "conservative." Otis Moss might be prickly about NPR because the other day, Michele "Mee-shell" Noris interviewed him. She is nobody's right winger, but she had the audacity to ask him twice if he would carry on with Wright's views about the government and HIV and drugs. He totally dodged the question, and unfortunately she let it go.
http://www.npr.org/t...
Moss is way off of course. The story in this link below his interview, by Ms. Hagerty, was totally in the tank for Obama--toeing the company line that white people just don't understand the black church.
"Amazingly, there are
March 23, 2008 - 15:45 ET by Indiana Joe"Amazingly, there are plenty of wackos who believe NPR is 'conservative.'"
I'm sure there are. Just as many liberals, when they could no longer sell the "neutral viewpoint" version of the media, now claim there is some overwhelming conservative bias in the MSM!
The mind boggles.
POP QUIZ
March 23, 2008 - 14:49 ET by Mark FinkelsteinThe Rev. Moss and Hillary Clinton have a signficant biographical factoid in common. Special Mention to the reader who comes up with it first [cue Jeopardy theme music].
Well,
March 23, 2008 - 15:21 ET by Indiana JoeA quick search says they both went to Yale. Is that it?
Ding! Ding! Ding!
March 23, 2008 - 15:24 ET by Mark FinkelsteinProps to Indiana Joe, who correctly identified the biographical factoid that Rev. Wright and Hillary have in common: they both have graduate degrees from Yale, Hillary from the law school, Rev. Moss from the divinity school.
Talk about God and Man at Yale! WFB, RIP.
Aw, shucks, 'twern't
March 23, 2008 - 15:32 ET by Indiana JoeAw, shucks, 'twern't nothin'!
;^)
My dittos to your RIP. WFB paved the way for us.
His father, Otis Moss II was
March 23, 2008 - 15:26 ET by motherbeltHis father, Otis Moss II was also a preacher in Chicago...was he by any chance at HRC's church when she was growing up there?
say it again brother
March 23, 2008 - 15:00 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsSo was Obama awake and clapping or was he sleeping through this like with Wright?
D
Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.
Still Race Baiting, I see.
March 23, 2008 - 15:09 ET by CobraMan"No one should start a ministry with lynching, no one should end their ministry with lynching."
I see the "replacement" is resorting to the same type of race baiting as the dispossessed former minister used for decades. I wonder how long it will be until Obama is forced to make a statement explaining how he doesn't agree with some of the things the new minister says?
Oh, I estimate it will take
March 23, 2008 - 16:48 ET by Seabeach4348Oh, I estimate it will take Obama about 20 years to announce that he disagrees with the new guy, but that he really doesn't remember Otis saying any of it because he may not have been present when he did.
But will Obama buy any of Otis' tapes?
ISN'T ANYBODY going to take
March 23, 2008 - 15:12 ET by Mark FinkelsteinISN'T ANYBODY going to take up my challenge as to the significant biographical factoid that Rev. Moss and Hillary Clinton have in common?
They both did their graduate
March 24, 2008 - 09:18 ET by NL207They both did their graduate work at Yale.
NL: Yes, but your post came
March 24, 2008 - 10:51 ET by Mark FinkelsteinNL: Yes, but your post came after sam.i.am had submitted the right answer. So unfortunately you don't win a brand new Porsche Cayenne SUV. Then again, neither does sam.i.am ;-)
Just as well. I don't need
March 24, 2008 - 13:34 ET by NL207Just as well. I don't need a Porsche Cayenne SUV. Come to think of it, I don't need the Rev. Otis Moss OR Hillary Clinton either!
The defenders of the "Afri-Christ" nonsense would say...
March 23, 2008 - 15:39 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasThe defenders (both blacks and ignorant whites who truly are ignorant of the blacks in America but spout off as if they have a clue) of the "Afri-Christ" nonsense have clamoured that "WE" (us whities) don't really understand the "BLACK CHURCH".
Well, never minding that Biblically there is no such thing...one thing is quite clear.
If Wright and Moss are representative of the greater sentiment and views of BLACKS in America (as the great Cracker from Time claimed) then I can only conclude from this that:
1. Blacks by a great majority are in general racist.
2. Blacks by a great majority are in general bigots.
3. Blacks by a great majority are specifically Anti-Semites.
Now I can believe what I hear and read as quotes from Wright and Moss and take them at face value or I can go along with the games people play who want to excuse, justify or simply ignore what is being said and believe they really don't mean what they are really saying and that I simply am too white, too Anglo, and too ignorant to understand....you know...something the white man allegedly told the black man a couple of centuries ago when enslaving him.
Do you think anyone has the marbles to provide an indepth investigation and report into the racism prevelant in black churches? Do you think those claiming to want racial peace within Evangelical circles themselves have the courage and integrity to denounce this? Only a fractional handful will.
Shut up and blog! If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal.
Publican
March 23, 2008 - 16:01 ET by sam.i.amI think he was just using a biblical term for a play on words, not referencing Republicans at all. Let's not get this blown out of proportion. There are plenty of obvious, clear statements out there to condemn that church and their teachings--we don't need to play gotcha with this murmur of an appearance of an insult.
Hasn't anyone heard of the Publican and the Pharisee?
The Publican was the good guy in that parable, anyway; I'll paraphrase: 'he who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted'
Oh, we're supposed to
March 23, 2008 - 16:29 ET by motherbeltOh, we're supposed to believe his is complimenting NPR???
Publicans in Jesus' day collected Jewish taxes for the Roman Emperor. which would make them outcasts as far as Jews were concerned. That analogy doesn't fit.
Then he mentions Jerusalem and Palestine (now known as Israel)... also on the wrong side.
Maybe this was just a mini-rant against Jews.
According to
March 23, 2008 - 16:45 ET by stratmanAccording to Wikipedia, "publican" had different meanings:
So, what exactly was Moss referring to when he spoke of NPR? I think he lost himself in his invective for a moment. Was slamming NPR for being a pimp or tax collector or working for the military? He certainly was not praising NPR for overseeing public building contracts.
If Moss was referring to NPR as a pimp or in the pocket of government/corporations, then how far Left is this guy?
Maybe Moss needs some more tutelage before prime time sermonizing. His aphorisms are a bit lacking.
RRAM Tough!
startman
March 23, 2008 - 16:50 ET by DelsaWikipedia?
Isn't this the online dictionary/encyclopedia you can change at the drop of a hat?
Is there no other source.
Not that your source is wrong? I just don't trust it much.
Yes. Wikipedia needs to
March 23, 2008 - 17:32 ET by stratmanYes. Wikipedia needs to be taken with a grain of salt. I lazily use Wikipedia as a reference, though for certain searches, such as non-controversially items like "publicans", it appears to be reasonable.
Other hopefully more trustworthy references here and here.
What I did find in my second search was the biblical story of the Sunday of the Publican and the Pharisee , which is the first Sunday of a three-week period prior to the commencement of Great Lent, in which the pride of the Pharisee led not to forgiveness while the repentence of the Publican (tax collector) led to God's forgiveness.
So I stand just as confused as to what Rev. Moss III was inferring in his NPR comment. Was he praising or condemning NPR?
RRAM Tough!
Well, I've seen the term
March 23, 2008 - 19:09 ET by motherbeltWell, I've seen the term "publican" used in the New Testament. I can't remember if the Publican was specifically described as a tax collector, but he was certainly considered low-class and looked down upon by the Jews. Hence the Pharisee bragging in the Temple that he was better than this other guy.
And I seem to remember a priest at Mass, during a sermon, describing them as tax collectors.
Look at it in context
March 23, 2008 - 17:03 ET by CobraManLook at it in context with the rest of the statements. It's obvious that he meant it in a derogatory sense. He was lambasting them for their apparent "lynching" of the former minister and the blatantly racist remarks that were made in the church and in the press. The new minister is playing the same old race card as the former. In that respect, nothing at all has changed.
sam.i.am, my ignorance of
March 23, 2008 - 17:07 ET by Mark Finkelsteinsam.i.am, my ignorance of the New Testament is almost total, and I was completely unfamiliar with the parable of the publican and the Pharisee. Thanks for mentioning it. I suppose it's possible Rev. Moss had that in mind, though it wouldn't seem to fit in the context of his allegation of a media conspiracy against Rev. Wright. Then again, his plays on words on some of the other media outlets made no sense either, so who knows? I've actually gone back and rewritten the item to reflect the possibility. Thanks again: it's great to have such alert and erudite readers!
Mark
March 23, 2008 - 17:09 ET by candanceAs others here have mentioned, even if that was Moss's intention it was still an insult.
I believe it was a
March 23, 2008 - 19:11 ET by motherbeltI believe it was a deliberate corruption of the term "Republican" (insult #1) with the added bonus of comparing them to a lower class of Jews from Jesus' time (Insult #2).
GAT - These revelations
March 23, 2008 - 21:19 ET by Cape Conservativehave certainly opened my eyes and answered the lingering question I've had as to why so many blacks are determined to not join in on the good life and try to better themselves. Asians who come to our country and don't even speak our language at first end up far surpassing those who have grown up in our country but REFUSE to believe they can succeed. If they sit every week in a church and hear a message such as what we've seen and heard recently, why would they ever think life could be better?
It is PAST TIME to end all hyphenated Americans and become simply Americans. No more Hispanic/Black/Female/Whatever congressional caucuses. It is PAST TIME to throw away all divisive phrases and unite as one. It is PAST TIME to unite our country with ONE LANGUAGE. And I am tired of hearing that blacks who speak good English are "acting white" - there are blacks in Jamaica who speak better English than I! Laziness in speech and manner is not conducive to high achievement!
Sorry to say, I don't think this new pastor is going to be leading the march to do so. If this is "church" then I agree with an earlier poster that the IRS had better start checking on their religious status. These "men of the cloth" do Rev. M. L. King such an injustice. His efforts seem to have been for naught. We seem more separated now than ever before. </