Sore winner?
You'd think a man who might be on the verge of taking a giant step toward winning the Republican nomination would go out of his way to be gracious. But John McCain couldn't suppress his spiteful streak on this morning's Today.
In the course of his interview by Matt Lauer, the Today co-anchor cited criticism of McCain by former and current Senate colleagues Rick Santorum and Thad Cochran. McCain retaliated with a personal swipe at their reputations, and later declined to describe Mitt Romney as a fine man.
View video here.
JOHN MCCAIN: I have very close relationships [with Senators], close friendships, and so many of them are with me and campaigning with me. And in all due respect to a couple of those people who are criticizing me [as a scornful smile came to his lips], they're not the most respected members of the United States Senate.
A bit later, McCain managed to make a slyly invidious comparison between Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney.
MATT LAUER: If you get close to the number of delegates you need by this time tomorrow to win the nomination, do you expect any kind of magnanimous gesture from Mitt Romney, considering the tone of this campaign over the last several weeks?MCCAIN: Well, I would hope so. I know there would be from Governor Huckabee if he doesn't win cause he's a very, very fine man.
Subtle, John, subtle.
Bonus Coverage: Early Show Mac Attack
Over on the Early Show, McCain took two particularly tough swipes at Romney.
HARRY SMITH: Momentum's on your side?JOHN MCCAIN: Oh sure. And people are figuring out that Governor Romney had a terrible record as governor and they're figuring out that he's not good on national security.
Beyond the virulence of the verbiage, check out the nasty smile that comes to McCain's lips as he shoves in the shiv.
View video here.
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.




















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Prisoner of War
February 5, 2008 - 08:17 ET by allanfI am struck by how McCain ingratiates himself with the enemies of his party and fights with his own brethren. I can't help wonder if this is a survival mechanism developed from years in captivity.
Didn't McCain already say
February 5, 2008 - 09:55 ET by motherbeltDidn't McCain already say Romney is "irrelevant"? Now he goes off on Santorum and others.
“I assume that I will get the nomination of the party. I assume
unifying our party is a very critical item..[ ]... And I’m confident I
can do that.” -John McCain, February 2, 2007
And in all due respect to a couple of those people who are criticizing me, they're not the most respected members of the United States Senate. -John McCain, February 5, 2007
(Dr. Phil voice): So, how's that working for you?
(edited; 2/2 quote added)
In the Tank
February 5, 2008 - 10:20 ET by Dan LaHoodWhat strange alchemy allows self described conservatives to see a fellow conservative in Mitt? I think you all are blind. There are no conservatives running for President, wishful thinking does not make it so. Mitt Numbed Robots have taken over these forums. I intend to vote for the nominee even if it's Mitt, OK?
"Mitt Numbed Robots?"
February 5, 2008 - 11:25 ET by RJThanks, Dan, for the critical thinking that obviously went into that broad generalization. <sarc off>
If you had been following the progression of events here, you'd have seen that support for Romney didn't coalesce (too late?) until recently. In fact, most seem to have first favored Thompson, Hunter or Duncan.
Because McCain had been all but written off, I think he was largely ignored by fractured conservatives last fall. That allowed him to slip in through the moderate and liberal wing.
Currently, I don't think there are many, if any, Romney supporters here who think he's the perfect candidate. Instead, they are clear-eyed about a candidate who seems to be no more than the best of what's been given us to choose between.
"He was a would-be sharp operator who lacked for the satisfaction of his ambition only the quality of sharpness..." -Michael Chabon
This is the man....
February 5, 2008 - 08:17 ET by HadEnoughI am supposed to vote for to lead my party?
Aside from the obvious, apparently Mr McCain does not know the meaning of "don't burn your bridges.
This is the kind of crap that is found on the other side.
You got that right
February 5, 2008 - 08:57 ET by kbworkmanHow does this joker think he is going to unite the country when he is doing his best to torpedo his own party?
He isn't a conservative, and I resent his trying to claim to be Reagans heir. He is a low class jerk. He lacks self control and sophistication.
What will happen when he loses his temper with leaders of other countrys?
Oh well, he won't make it anyway. As soon as the libs get him in as the Republican candidate, they will destroy him.
So far the Republicans are listening to the liberals as to who would be the best candidate and not even wondering why the MSM likes this joker.
Go figure...
and this is just an
February 5, 2008 - 13:44 ET by TruthMongerand this is just an interview - McCain just hasn't got the temperment for the presidency...
TM.... Temperament for
February 5, 2008 - 13:47 ET by bigtimerTM....
Temperament for the prez...just imagine him trying to direct traffic...or dog-catcher...
There would be dead dogs and car crashes....
Watch McCain Crash and Burn even if he is the Nominee
February 5, 2008 - 08:30 ET by PopularTechIf McCain's support is from Moderates and Liberals now who do you think they are going to vote for in November? You suckers will find out. McCain is not electable and never was.
Environmentalists Support McCain in Florida (CNSNews)
"McCain's biggest margin of support came from those who said the environment should be the top issue for the next president. Among these voters, McCain beat Romney 55% to 15%.
Romney's biggest margin came from voters who said immigration should be the top issue for the next president. Among these voters, Romney beat McCain 41% to 15%.
McCain also led Romney among self-identified "moderate" and "liberal" Republican voters, while trailing Romney among self-identified "conservative" Republicans."
It is not over - get out and vote for Romney.
Primary Results:
87% of Republicans Do Not Want McCain in Iowa
63% of Republicans Do Not Want McCain in New Hampshire
61% of Republicans Do Not Want McCain in Michigan
87% of Republicans Do Not Want McCain in Nevada
67% of Republicans Do Not Want McCain in South Carolina
64% of Republicans Do Not Want McCain in Florida
An average 71.5% of Republicans Do Not Want McCain as the Presidential Nominee
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Brokered Convention
February 5, 2008 - 08:35 ET by allanfThe Republicans have chosen a winner take all format. In a crowded field, that means that someone like McCain can rack up delegates by winning a slim pluraity of the votes.
Unlike the Democrats, the nomination process is completely controlled by the primary voting process. The Democrats have reserved 40 percent of the delegates as super delegates.
Perhaps some thought should be given to revising this system.
pop tech
February 5, 2008 - 10:21 ET by shawn228"Watch McCain Crash and Burn even if he is the Nominee'
lol Pop Tech, this is the first time you even acknowledged he has a shot at winning, your making progress.
Can't we all get along?
..
February 5, 2008 - 08:32 ET by dervishI think there is serious doubt that this gentleman has both oars in the water. You'd think a Senator would remember that even a maverick President has to get his deals done with Congress. If he's busy pissing on the Republicans, there's only one other side he can be on.
Tell me again how voting for McCain differs from voting for Obama? I will vote against Hillary even if the Republicans run Zippy the Pinhead. But I will not vote FOR McCain.
McAmnesty and Huckabee... The GOP Sex change
February 5, 2008 - 08:35 ET by Six String SpiffMcCain is not a Conservative. For Christ's sake, the man damn near switched parties in 2001. When McCain has liberals voting for him, he not the representative of the GOP. If McCain does get the nomination, I will renounce my affiliation with the GOP and sit out the GE. For the only difference between Clinton and McCain are reproductive organs. Now, about Huckabee... That piece of trash is the epitome of what I despise when it comes to religious nuts. I don't want that angry little man representing my party. BTW I predicted Huckabees demise way back before the IA caucuses even began. :-) I hate him even more now that he is only staying in to take votes away from Romney.
The Democrats are running on the magical 'change' mantra... Real Conservatives understand there must be substance to such an inane claim. Change to what exactly? When all is said and the clapping and getting wet over the fact that there is a 'minority' in office (God Help us) is over, what next? The country needs to be run in a direction other than under ground. My point is, if McCain is the Nominee, the libs win hands down because McCamnesty is a LIFE LONG POLITICIAN. Whereas Romney is an outsider, and could steal the ground out from the dems in the GE.
If only people like vrwc etc could see this and put their freakin bibles down and OPEN THEIR EYES! As for the claim of Romney being the champion of gay marriage, that is FALSE. You see, here in MA we have a legislature that uses it's middle finger ALOT. We the PEOPLE wanted a VOTE. But everyone was told to get bent by our elite legislature. So VRWC. Shut your face
Well said. I posted a reply
February 5, 2008 - 13:25 ET by Gary P JacksonWell said.
I posted a reply to one of VRWC's long winded self righteous rants on how Mitt Romney "championed gay marriage".
Funny thing though, the facts don't support his vitriol. With absolutely no effort, I found this article in the Washington Post, dated November 20, 2006, that in no uncertain terms reports that, not only did Mitt Romney NOT champion gay marriage, Mitt Romney petitioned the Massachusetts Supreme Court in his efforts to BAN gay marriage.
http://www.washingto...
A little inconvenient truth for Mr. VRWC.
I can not and will not vote
February 5, 2008 - 08:37 ET by silentsoulI can not and will not vote for John Mccain, there is no lie or false promise that he can make that will make me change my mind.
Um, pardon me for asking a
February 5, 2008 - 08:38 ET by lotrUm, pardon me for asking a dumb question, but what does this blog have to do with liberal bias in the media?
Thank you
February 5, 2008 - 08:43 ET by funkdomeYou are so right. Liberal bias is my pet peeve, yet this blog has turned into the "I don't like John McCain, so you shouldn't either blog".
I used to come here 15 times a day. Since it has become the HQ for McCain Derangement Syndrome, I come once or twice.
Don't let the door hit you....
February 5, 2008 - 08:45 ET by Six String SpiffIslamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily.
?
February 5, 2008 - 08:50 ET by funkdomeI guess I must be slow, because the "wit" of your response.
I guess I am a Muslim because I like one flawed candidate more than the other. This kind of lame attack reminds me of the DailyKos. There is little difference between the mindless partisan on Kos and the mindless partisans here.
I know, I know. Pundits told you what to do, so you have to listen. Don't get upset with those of us who are capable of our own thought.
More generalizatons, funkdome
February 5, 2008 - 08:54 ET by RJYou seem to be good at that.
"He was a would-be sharp operator who lacked for the satisfaction of his ambition only the quality of sharpness and who expenede all of his energies on preserving his opinions from contamination..." -Michael Chabon, "Gentlemen of the Road"
What is your point?
February 5, 2008 - 08:57 ET by funkdomeRJ, do you ever have a point? Or are you like a pavlovian Bush hater, who just has to get some lame response to any post that doesn't share your (very) narrow view of the world? You'd make a peach of a liberal.
""Here's a good idea - have a POINT. It makes it SO much more interesting for the listener!"" Neil Page - Planes,Trains an Automobiles
Way to prove my point again, funkdome
February 5, 2008 - 09:11 ET by RJBut do I really have to spell it out for you? As you just proved again, most of what you type are personal attacks and generalizations.
"He was a would-be sharp operator who lacked for the satisfaction of his ambition only the quality of sharpness..." -Michael Chabon
Funkdome....it is his "tag line"
February 5, 2008 - 12:44 ET by SouthJersey1953Funkdome, if you spent as much time at NB as you say you do, you would know that "Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily." is just SixStrings' tag line and was not directed at you. His only reply to you was (and I agree), "Don't let the door hit you...."
No RINOs in '08
Funkdome -- my sentiments
February 5, 2008 - 09:08 ET by lotrFunkdome -- my sentiments exactly.
The point is the media
February 5, 2008 - 08:45 ET by motherbeltThe point is the media giving John McCain free air time to bash his opponents, with no rebuttal.
Please
February 5, 2008 - 08:47 ET by funkdomeI watched Romney go off on McCain this morning without a rebuttal. I guess CNN is biased for Romney.
Specifics, funkdome?
February 5, 2008 - 08:50 ET by RJHow about some in context quotes to back up your characterization?
Sorry
February 5, 2008 - 08:54 ET by funkdomeDidn't have my steno pad out. (Or my tin foil hat on either).
The gist of it was Romney saying that McCain was weak on the economy and was not a true conservative. There was no rebuttal from McCain's side.
I'm not going to deny that McCain is liked by the media and Romeny is hated by the media. That is clear. However, the notion that any time a candidate is interviewed his opponent must be given a rebuttal is abusrd.
This is a non-story played up for an opportunity to attack McCain. Kind of like most AP stories about Bush.
That's what I thought, funkdome
February 5, 2008 - 09:05 ET by RJANOTHER generalization you can't back up.
"Romney saying that McCain was weak on the economy and was not a true conservative." That's what you call "going off?" And you claim anti-McCain posters have a derangement syndrome?
The following makes me suspect you're not even aware of what you type....just putting words on the screen. First you complain that "There was no rebuttal from McCain's side." But then you say "the notion that any time a candidate is interviewed his opponent must be given a rebuttal is abusrd." Make up your mind, funkdome.
And "tin foil hat?" Way to make an argument, funkdome. Best scurry back to that Kos site you referenced.
"He was a would-be sharp operator who lacked for the satisfaction of his ambition only the quality of sharpness..." -Michael Chabon, "Gentlemen of the Road"
RJ, this sounds like Leon....
February 5, 2008 - 12:47 ET by SouthJersey1953You think Leon got a new username? Funkdome (if he isn't Leon) is just another troll from the same mold.
Speaking of mold, something stinks!
No RINOs in '08
Yeah, SouthJersey
February 5, 2008 - 13:06 ET by RJWhen a poster behaves like that, I immediately suspect "liberal troll pretending to be conservative." We get them pretty regularly.
Well, guess what?
February 5, 2008 - 09:04 ET by IamTinmanOn KCRA (NBC Sacramento) just a few minutes ago I just saw McCain go off on an unprovoked rant on Romney! That's politics bubba, get over it!
The NYT endorsed McCain.. That's all you SHOULD need to know!
February 5, 2008 - 11:22 ET by Six String Spiffpleas estop assuming I am listening to somebody else by my OWN HEART. You sound pathetic
First off, even if this were
February 5, 2008 - 09:20 ET by lotrFirst off, even if this were the case, it would still not be media bias. Free air time? He's a presidential front runner -- are they not supposed to be interviewing him? But I did not read this take at all in the blog. The blog isn't taking any issue about the baiting questions of Matt Lauer. Rather, all the ire (including nearly all the responses thus far) is directed at the responses of the Senator from Arizona, who, last time I checked, isn't a pundit for any of the MSM outlets. And for what it's worth, my recollection is that the former governor of Mass. hasn't been exactly gracious in his interviews, either.
Be serious lotr...
February 5, 2008 - 11:43 ET by Six String SpiffHasn't McCain been the MSM darling since early last year maybe more? You say you hate media bias; specifically left wing. Well, if the MSM has a GOP candidate they prefer, do you think it is for the same reason as a conservative would prefer a condidate? The media has an agenda that is SO transparent it's puke inducing. You are being fooled. They are pushing fo rthe WEAKEST candidate to against the Democrats. How do you miss this?
Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily.
Six String, I believe you
February 5, 2008 - 12:48 ET by lotrSix String, I believe you may be misunderstanding my point. No one to my knowledge has said that McCain is not on the liberal side for a Republican (note, however, that when considering the entire political spectrum he is a moderate-conservative like Bush). No one is saying that there isn't a liberal media bias (why do you think I visit this site?), and that, consequently, there is a pro-McCain media bias relative to the other Republicans (not relative to the Democrats, mind you). My point is that this particular blog posting is not in any way, shape or form focused on this -- it is focused on the Republican candidate. It would be altogether different it the tone of the article were: "Matt Lauer baits Republican McCain to lash out against Romney; lobs softballs to Democrat Hillary praising Obama" -- nothing like that at all here.
McCain is NOTHING like
February 5, 2008 - 13:37 ET by Gary P JacksonMcCain is NOTHING like George Bush. In fact, it's partly his hate for Bush that has seen McCain oppose Bush tooth and nail except for the troop surge. Of course "only" McCain had the brilliance to think up the surge, and "all" of the other Republicans (the entire 99% who voted for it) chastised McCain for his "lone support" of the surge.
McCain is a legend in his own mind.
Are you saying he hates Bush
February 5, 2008 - 13:51 ET by lotrAre you saying he hates Bush or hates his policies? If it is the former, then that is a personal matter that has nothing to do with political leanings. If it is the latter, what are those policies, and how does it change the fact that both are moderate-conservatives? Off the top of my head, McCain supports the war on Islamic terrorism, Bush's judicial nominees and pro-life legislation (Hillary voted for the war before she voted against it). Hate to burst your bubble, but Bush IS a moderate-conservative, at least in my reckoning. That said, I have the utmost respect for him, epsecially considering that he managed to get elected.
lotr...
February 5, 2008 - 08:52 ET by Six String SpiffQuestion for you... Has the media ever asked Juan McAmnesty WHY there is such a negative reaction him on talk radio, or ANYWHERE for that matter? Where are the "You seem to be severely disappointing to the GOP base. Why do you think that is?" Or ANYTHING like that? I know i haven't. McCain is a Liberal and therefore will be treated as the danger to our nation he really is. This is FAR too important to not discuss. He has a carbon copy of Clintons MSM pass on all things important. I swear to god if I hear 'Maverick' just one more effing time.. There are supposed to be TWO parties! Not Democrat, and sorta Democrat! Hello?!
We all know ...
February 5, 2008 - 09:00 ET by funkdomeWe all know the issues that McCain unpopular with Rush, et al. The media is loving the dissention in the ranks, with Rush and his dittoheads playing the role of "useful idiot" usually held by liberals.
Romney ran as a liberal in Mass, and now he's had a "change of heart" and he is the "true conservative"? Give me a break.
Yep. Incidentally, I heard
February 5, 2008 - 09:24 ET by lotrYep. Incidentally, I heard on Fox that Bob Dole has politely asked Rush to back off.
Well, belly up to the bar
February 5, 2008 - 09:43 ET by motherbeltWell, belly up to the bar as the first person in the country to give a hoot what Bob Dole thinks.
The man's time was already past when he was the nominee it 1996.
Next you'll be telling us Jimmy Carter thinks Rush should "cool it."
Bob Dole was a presidential
February 5, 2008 - 11:39 ET by lotrBob Dole was a presidential nominee of the Republican Party -- that ought to count for something (oh, but wait a minute -- he doesn't have MDS, so he must be a has-been). Alas, lacking the necessary charisma, he still wasn't electable, so he lost, and we were stuck with the unthinkable predicament of 4 more years of Bill-Hill. It looks like history is destined to repeat itself, a mere 16 years later. And I'm beginning to wonder if I am dealing with operatives of the Hillary '08 Campaign here.
Funkdome
February 5, 2008 - 10:51 ET by Six String SpiffWHY DO YOU KEEP ASSUMING I LISTEN TO RUSH? Your argument is bankrupt
Look, Six String, all I care
February 5, 2008 - 09:29 ET by lotrLook, Six String, all I care about is the thwarting of Hillary Rodham Clinton. I'm just a simple meat-and-potatoes anti-Hillary, anti-Obama citizen and patriot. Are you a first time voter who's too young to remember the "glory days" of the 1990s?
Amen
February 5, 2008 - 09:35 ET by funkdomeKeep it real, my friend!
Look, Six String, all I
February 5, 2008 - 09:50 ET by motherbeltLook, Six String, all I care about is the thwarting of Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Oh, I forgot....the R after the name of the President is all-important. Take heed: if the Democrats get enough of a majority to exhume their amnesty bill, a President Clinton OR a President McCain would sign it. McCain already said he would (even Her Royal Clintoness wouldn't go that far.)
Yep, because the worst of
February 5, 2008 - 11:47 ET by lotrYep, because the worst of the Republicans is far better than any of the Democrats. Abortion sinks the Democrats, especially given that it is the Crown Jewel of their platform. The bizarre thing is, we aren't even talking about McCain vs. Romney here, we are talking McCain vs. Hillary. I would have voted for Rudy over Hillary -- even though Rudy is pro-choice, his party is not. But then again, based upon the postings, I am beginning to suspect we have some closet Hillary fans here.
lotr
February 5, 2008 - 10:12 ET by Six String SpiffI remember the 90's VERY well. I am only 26, but followed the entire fiasco of the entity know as Bill Clinton. I remember hearing stories on the news about missing lap tops with nuclear secrets, the USS Cole being bombed, and our troops being sent to die in some god forsaken land called Mogadishu. I also remember my father losing his job with Northrop Grumman (Until a republican was back in office). I understand Clinton must be stopped at ALL costs. HOWEVER, McCain is no different than Hillary. at all. I don't vote someone in office so they can get along with the 'other side'. I vote them in because I think they are most capable of achieving my agenda. I am SICK TO DEATH of hearing how much of a 'maverick' McAmnesty is. He will do just as much violence to our Constitution as Hillary. No vote for McAmnesty from me. I will sit out if he is the Nominee.
Well, glad to hear you
February 5, 2008 - 12:02 ET by lotrWell, glad to hear you aren't a closet member of her fan club -- at least we can agree on that. It's your choice to sit it out -- I don't recommend it, but that's your choice. I will be voting for whomever the Republicans put up to beat her. Back at the start of the primaries, I braced myself for voting for the pro-choice Rudy, because it would still be a vote against the Democratic platform, and he would have a shot at winning. But I'll admit it: I have CDS (Clinton Derangement Syndrome), and I've got it bad.
Um, simple
February 5, 2008 - 09:54 ET by masslibertarian"Exhibit A" for liberal bias in the media is their incessant fawning over the liberal John McCain to provide "balance."
The RINO darlings of the Sunday shows (McCain, Graham, Lugar, Hagel) achieved this status by coming on these shows and opposing conservatives and conservative ideas.
The entire blog is dedicated
February 5, 2008 - 11:57 ET by lotrThe entire blog is dedicated to the responses of McCain (even directing us to pay particular attention to his body language), not the MSM fawning over him -- I've read plenty of posts that discuss the MSM fawning over liberals, and this ain't one of them. Who was interviewing him again? Oh, that's right, Matt Lauer. Nice try.
Thad Cochran
February 5, 2008 - 08:39 ET by Pete WilsonOne of the senators Mr. McCain is talking about - saying they don't have the finest of reputations - is Senator Thad Cochran. Mr. Cochran has been our Senator for many years, and to my knowledge has a sterling reputation, certainly from the people of Mississippi. Mr. McCain, on the other hand...
Just cast my vote
February 5, 2008 - 08:40 ET by funkdomeJust cast my vote for John McCain in the GA primary. The more I see the extremists in my own party attack McCain, the more attractive he becomes. I'll leave to others to let Bill Maher, I mean Ann Coulter, pick their candidate for them.
And save your breath telling me that I am not a "true" conservative. If most of the McCain haters are "true" conservatives, I am glad I will not be counted among their number.
Another Sucker McCain Voter
February 5, 2008 - 08:54 ET by PopularTechMcCain to Close Gitmo: "The first day I am President" (Video)
McCain Argues for U.S. Troop Withdrawl from Somalia (Video)
McCain Can't Buy His Way Out of Votes Against Funding for Veterans
Scientifically Illiterate McCain vows to fight global warming (The Boston Globe)
Sources affirm McCain dissed Alito (WorldNetDaily)
McCain Would Sign Amnesty Bill as President (Video)
McCain: For and Against Tax Cuts (Video)
Good thing you could never provide one reason to vote for him except that he was not Hillary Clinton.
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Good thing you are
February 5, 2008 - 09:04 ET by funkdomeGood thing you are incapable of convincing anyone of anything. We've all seen your stupid links over and over again. You think we don't do research ourselves. Your arrogance is embarassing.
I wouldn't waste my time trying to convince you of anything. Rush has told you what to do and you behave like the bleating sheep you are.
I also voted for McCain specifically to send a message to partisan losers. So in a way, I guess you did convince me. LOL.
I Don't listen to Rush
February 5, 2008 - 09:09 ET by PopularTechYou have obviously not done any research and the last person I listen to is Rush or anyone else, I make up my own mind. Too bad you are incapable of researching anything. Plenty of empty statements but you cannot hide the truth about McCain. Why don't you own up and answer the question about Global Warming or are you too afraid?
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Funkdome says:
February 5, 2008 - 09:17 ET by IamTinman"I also voted for McCain specifically to send a message to partisan losers."
Too bad you didn't vote for the person best equipped to be president instead, you pathetic cretin! The rest of us have to pay for 4 years so you can make some abstract point? How frigging mature!
Please
February 5, 2008 - 09:23 ET by funkdomeIt is the McCain haters who are ready to make the troops pay so they can make an abstract point. In your mind, it better to lose the election and Iraq than vote for someone who does not pander to conservative idealogues. Some of us think victory in Iraq is important. It is particuarly galling in this case, as Romney has governed as a liberal. The only differnce is that McCain is honest about his beliefs. I could see all of the anger if McCain was running against a real conservative, but we just have to take Romney's word for it. But I know, I must be a bad person. I mean, I disagree with you, right?
So you can read my mind too?
February 5, 2008 - 09:45 ET by IamTinmanWhere does so much vitriol come from Funk? I don't hate McCain, I admire him. I admire Barack Obama too, but like with McCain and Hillary, I don't think he's the best person to be president for the next 4 or 8 years.
And you're not a bad person for disagreeing with me, just misguided!
McCain has a track record of running as a conservative and serving as a democrat. In California we have had Arnie running as a republican and governing like a democrat and as a result the state is in de-e-e-p financial kaka and the state gop is in a shambles. The last thing we need is that happening on a national level. It was bad enough under Bush.
What like McCain wanted to make the troops in Somalia Pay?
February 5, 2008 - 12:02 ET by PopularTechAre these facts too stupid for you too?
McCain Argues for U.S. Troop Withdrawl from Somalia (Video)
Cut and running there really helped in our current battle! But you knew that about McCain right Funk?
We all know how closing Gitmo REALLY is going to help the troops!
McCain to Close Gitmo: "The first day I am President" (Video)
Wait maybe it was McCain NOT Romney who wanted to set benchmarks in Iraq?
McCain considers setting benchmarks for Iraqis (Arizona Daily Star)
You knew that too right Funk? Or or all these facts just too stupid for you? But you made your point Funk without a single fact to back it up. Romney did not Govern like a liberal now you are lying.
Yeah McCain is real honest about his beliefs!
McCain: For and Against Tax Cuts (Video)
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Funkdome
February 5, 2008 - 09:10 ET by Six String SpiffPlease tell me why you voted for him. I am curious
Sure thing
February 5, 2008 - 09:13 ET by funkdomeHi Spiff. First of all, I don't love either candidate.
I am voting for McCain becaue Romney will lose to the Dems. Period.
Those of us who supported the war owe the troops the best chance to come alive and victorious. I'm not saying Romney can't do that. I am saying that he can't do that if he is not President. Obama or Clinton will end the mission immediately and it will be another Viet Nam.
We owe the troops more than ideological bickering. I don't want to screw them because I am not getting the candidate I would really prefer.
When the day arrives that
February 5, 2008 - 09:42 ET by Hero SquadWhen the day arrives that Pennsylvania gets to vote, I will likely cast my vote for Romney... unless it's a done deal by that point (which it usually is), in which case, I'll cast a vote to Fred Thompson.
Come General Election, if McCain is the candidate vs. Obama or Clinton, there's no hesitation... I'm voting for McCain.
I certainly don't agree with him on a number of issues, but when it comes to the GWOT, the last thing I want to do is put in in the hands of someone who's first commitment is to the wind of public opinion. I see McCain as someone who is more likely to act based on what he thinks is right, not what is popular.
Sorry, but McCain is far preferable to 4-8 years of a Democrat with a Democrat led Congress. (At least McCain will have to be somewhat beholden to party loyalty. What exactly will Obama or Clinton owe to conservatives?)
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Well stated.
February 5, 2008 - 13:02 ET by lotrWell stated.
I am inclined to agree.
February 5, 2008 - 13:13 ET by lotrI am inclined to agree. McCain also has the military experience. The President is Commander in Chief and has the last say on military matters (and Bush has recently provided a real-world demonstration of this). The same is not true for "the economy" -- a president has very little, if any, control over economic forces (other than having a defense policy that's conducive to vital economic interests...). The boom 90's had nothing to with Clinton -- they happened in spite of him.
Thad Cochran
February 5, 2008 - 08:47 ET by d1carterI would much prefer voting for a man like Thad Cochran than John McCain. It is just a shame that our choices are so limited.
Agreed
February 5, 2008 - 09:18 ET by funkdomeI agree that we all wish we had better options. That is what is so frustrating when folks get so angry that their candidate is great and the other sucks.
IMHO, neither are great, but neither sucks. One is just much more electable than the other.
Precisely.
February 5, 2008 - 13:14 ET by lotrPrecisely.
Funkdome why do you want to fight Global Warming?
February 5, 2008 - 08:57 ET by PopularTechI am trying to figure out why you want higher energy costs?
Al Gore: McCain 'Capable Guy' for President (NewsMax)
Scientifically Illiterate McCain vows to fight global warming (The Boston Globe)
New Study Shows Hefty Price Tag for McCain-Lieberman Bill (The Heartland Institute)
- McCain-Lieberman would cost the average U.S. household at least $1,300 per year by 2010, rising to at least $2,300 per year by 2020
- McCain-Lieberman would cost the U.S. economy at least 250,000 jobs in 2010, and at least 610,000 jobs by 2020
- McCain-Lieberman would force at least a 31% rise in electricity prices by 2010, and at least a 43% rise in electricity prices by 2020
- McCain-Lieberman would force at least a 23% rise in gasoline prices by 2010, and at least a 37% rise in gasoline prices by 2020
Did you not see any of these videos?
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PopTech
February 5, 2008 - 09:09 ET by funkdomeThis is my last response to you ever. I feel like I am debating one of the 10 year olds at Kos and life is too shortto argue with anonymous losers.
I am voting for McCain becaue Romney will lose to the Dems. Period.
Those of us who supported the war owe the troops the best chance to come alive and victorious. I'm not saying Romney can't do that. I am saying that he can't do that if he is not President. Obama or Clinton will end the mission immediately and it will be another Viet Nam.
As someone who advocated the war, I am not going to stab the troops in the back because Rush and Coulter tell me too.
Feel free to attack me all you want. I am done talking to arrogant children like yourself.
You will not answer the question
February 5, 2008 - 09:14 ET by PopularTechYou are so naive to think McCain can beat Hillary? Only two candidates can and that was Rudy and Romney. Why do you think the MSM was relentlessly attacking Romney? Have you not figured it out yet? Any conservative can beat Obama and McCain is no conservative. You have no idea what is going to happen. All those moderates and liberals voting for McCain will vote for the Dem nomination. This is Bob Dole 2.0
Get ready for it sucker now answer the question...
Why do you want to fight Global Warming?
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Funk
February 5, 2008 - 09:21 ET by Six String SpiffFunkdome.. why is it that you call pop tech childish when he lays out teh FACTS for you to see? Did he attack you? You are the one who sounds like a five year old. We'll be sure to thank you when the borders are WIIIIIIIIDE open and my country gets flooded with crimigrints. You are a waste
PopTech
February 5, 2008 - 09:27 ET by funkdomePopTech is childish because he acts like a child. He personaly attacks any who doesn't share his narrow views, he tinks cutting and pasting links is persuasion and he never responds to any arguments.
See the way I responded to your question above? You asked a question and I respectfully responded. PopTech starts off ny not reading your post, calling you names and posting his stupid links.
In short, PopTech has liberal genes, but got lost along the way.
The Facts are Childish? What Arguments?
February 5, 2008 - 11:53 ET by PopularTechYou will not answer a simple question. Why do you want to fight global warming?
You do not provide any arguments except you don't like the facts being thrown in your face. What is your argument? That McCain can beat Hillary? Why because RealClearPolitics Polls say so? You mean the same polls that said Rudy would win the GOP nomination and could beat Hillary? What part of head to head polls are meaningless until AFTER the primaries do you not understand?
So now facts are stupid? At least we know how you make your decisions! The MSM suckered you in soooo bad.
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Give me a break
February 5, 2008 - 09:30 ET by NCConservative"As someone who advocated the war, I am not going to stab the troops in the back because Rush and Coulter tell me too."
I've lost count of how many times in this thread alone you have referenced Rush telling people what to do, and how his listeners don't think for themselves, etc.
Do you truly believe that the only reason people don't agree with your choice of candidates is because they blindly follow somehow else's thoughts? That is one weak argument.
My state primary isn't until May so I might not have much of a say in this process (which is a problem unto itself), but I will go and write in a candidate if McCain is the only one left on the ballot, and it is NOT because Rush Limbaugh told me to. I've said from Day One that illegation immigration was my #1 issue this time around, and with the McCain-Kennedy disaster, he lost all credibility for me.
Just the other day on this forum I read a comment (and to the person who wrote it, I apologize but cannot recall who it posted it) that said Rush Limbaugh doesn't tell people WHAT to think, he simply verbalizes what people are already thinking. I agree with that assessment.
Perhaps it is the McCain supporters who are blindly following what the media are telling them. How does that one go over for you?
Well
February 5, 2008 - 09:34 ET by funkdomeYour point is a valid one. I am sure that many Romney supporters have come the their own conclusions. It is unfair of me to say that they are not thinking for themselves.
That being said, I do think there are a large number of folks who do take their cues from Rush.
Rush
February 5, 2008 - 10:21 ET by masslibertarianNo mind-numbed robot here. I made up my mind to vote for Romney last fall, after a lot of consideration and holding out for Fred Thompson (who was much more intriguing as a prospective candidate than as an actual candidate, IMO). I'm just happy to hear Rush come around to my way of thinking on McCain.
I completely disagree with your decision to vote for McCain because he's "electable." But it's your vote, and you're free to cast it as you please.
I just don't believe the MSM would be pushing McCain if they thought he'd beat the Dem nominee. I've said for the longest time that the MSM's job in the primaries is to see to it that the Dem nominee faces the weakest Republican in the general election.
If McCain's the nominee, his buddies in the MSM are going to let loose with both barrels. There's no telling how much "off the record" stuff is going to leak its way into the public.
No mind numbed robot here
February 5, 2008 - 14:02 ET by Gary P JacksonNo mind numbed robot here either. Romney has been my man. The only reason many of us are going hard after McCain now, is he was dead in the water last summer. No need to waste the effort.
Now that he is the "front runner"-barely, all of the nation's conservatives are squarely against the guy. On every issue that matters to real conservatives, John McCain is on the opposite side of history. Other than the troop surge, McCain has opposed EVERYTHING we hold near and dear.
Before the surge, McCain criticized every move the President made. In that, he was no different than the garden variety dim. He opposed the Bush tax cuts that have been responsible for over 52 weeks of economic growth and prosperity. McCain has championed a very liberal amnesty program, that he co-authored with Teddy Kennedy.
Let's see, there's McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, and McCain-Lieberman, a global warming bill that will stop the economy in it's tracks, and cause great harm to every vital industry.
For ALL of you McCain supporters, name me just ONE bill the man has his name on that has a Republican co-sponsor! McCain is a Manchurian Candidate. He is a liberal dimocrat who has somehow infiltrated the party!
Yep, Romney would lose to
February 5, 2008 - 13:34 ET by lotrYep, Romney would lose to Obama as well as Hillary, and I don't even think it would be close (I guess that would be one positive -- we wouldn't have to endure the 2000 Al "count-all-the-votes" Gore legal sideshow), even though he would have all our of votes.
A fraction of moderate voters is necessary for anyone to become president -- this goes for both sides. Believe it or not, Hillary and Obama will be courting that vote, and there are plenty of left-wing radicals who will thus think they are closet Republicans (sounds like a familiar theme) -- NB has even pointed this out recently. It's called political strategy -- you can't do anything for any cause, be it conservative or liberal, if you don't win. There is an anti-Republican (read: conservative) sentiment out there, and Romney just doesn't have what it takes to sway 'em.
POW
February 5, 2008 - 09:21 ET by MaximusBraveheartThat is an interesting observation! I think there is merit to that thought in psychology. The news has not covered Paul at all this AM. The whole process is frustrating how it gets narrowed down w/ little chance to get in from the "outside."
McCain's closest friendships are with Lobbyists
February 5, 2008 - 09:23 ET by Dee BunkMcCain's closest friendships are with Lobbyists. He has more of them working in his campaign than any other candidate (Dem or Rep) and he's second to Hillary in contributions from lobbyists.
McCain
in bed with Lobbyists
Link?
February 5, 2008 - 09:31 ET by funkdomeUh the articles that come up from that link have nothing to do with McCain's relationship with lobbyists. However, the first article in the results says "On most political issues, he is a down-the-line conservative, and he supported every clause of Newt Gingrich's Contract with America—"a political troglodyte," the writer Garry Wills calls him."
You could type in the phrase "Romney's closest friendships are with Lobbyists" instead of "McCain's closest friendships are with Lobbyists" and get most of the same results.
I guess I am just wondering what your point is.
Oops - I can't get links to work on NB in firefox - try this
February 5, 2008 - 09:41 ET by Dee BunkI have to open Word and explorer and cut and paste and I screwed up. I think this should work. The article is on Boomberg.com
McCain has the most help and is second only to Hillary in lobbyist donations.
McCain
in bed with Lobbyists
Did McCains #1 status with Lobbyists silence Funk?
February 5, 2008 - 17:35 ET by Dee BunkHas he realized McCain isn't the principled man he pretends to be?
I try.
February 5, 2008 - 10:19 ET by iveseenitallI really try to like McCain. I really do. I make every excuse for him. But then I see something like this. The man is personally despicable. He's a back-biter. He's NASTY. He's HILLARY. They both act in this petulant manner when someone dares to disagree with them. And I know it sounds sexist, but I can't stand this kind of behavior in a man. The guy is personnally revolting to me and I don't work with him on a daily basis as people like Santorum had to do. I hope he loses today, but it probably won't happen. We really have no choice this year if he and Hillary win big today. But if Hillary wins the general election, at least we will know that with which we are dealing. McCain eats his own. Disloyaty is a major trait in the RINO. McCain displays it every day. Pompous ass, with little to back it up. Sad.
P.S. Better to stand for your core principles and lose this election, then to vote for a disloyal RINO.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Just another example
February 5, 2008 - 14:08 ET by celatorThis is yet another example of McCain's very peculiar temperament.
I would prefer a presidential candidate who is not continuously snarky or fishing for a cheap laugh.
I want someone who is thoughtful, well informed, dependable, psychologically healthy, loyal to the party, generous with praise, tough on those who would harm the country's welfare. McCain has none of these attributes.
Liberal's Basic Rule For Discourse: I don't care if you agree with my premises, but I demand that you agree with my conclusions.
The National Defense
February 5, 2008 - 21:48 ET by WiggyThe National Defense Authorization Act recently passed in the Senate by a vote of 91 - 3 with six Senators not voting. John McCain was one of those six. I couldn't care less that the vote was not close. If he cannot pull himself away from campaigning to vote on a National Defense Authorization Act, he does not deserve to be the CINC.