Jennings Rides Again: Kristol Warns Conservatives Against 'Temper Tantrum'

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The voters had a temper tantrum last week . . . Parenting and governing don't have to be dirty words: the nation can't be run by an angry two-year-old. -- Peter Jennings, November 14, 1994, on the Republican landslide.

[C]onservatives . . . can choose to stand aside from history while having a temper tantrum. But they should consider that the American people might then choose not to invite them back into a position of responsibility for quite a while to come. -- William Kristol, February 4, 2008, on conservative aversion to McCain.

It's one thing to have been bawled out by the late Peter Jennings. But do conservatives have to have their knuckles rapped by one of their own, Bill Kristol? Apparently yes, as per the Weekly Standard editor's New York Times column of today, Dyspepsia on the Right.

Kristol magnanimously grants that "those conservatives who can’t abide McCain are free to rally around Mitt Romney." But he instructs: "when the primaries are over, if McCain has won the day, don’t sulk and don’t sit it out."

With the exception of Ann Coulter, I haven't heard any leading conservative voices threaten to do so. To the contrary. For example, Hugh Hewitt, perhaps Romney's single most enthusiastic supporter among high-profile conservatives, repeatedly states that he will work hard for McCain should he get the nomination.

What was the need for Kristol's pre-emptive scolding strike?


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I, for one, am sick and

I, for one, am sick and tired of being told that we conservatives should just shut up and take what ever the left and the so-called Republican moderates want to give us. We don't need any scraps from their table. They claim to be conservatives when they run for office and run screaming to the left once elected.

They won't get my vote this time.

McCain is a sock puppet, as

McCain is a sock puppet, as a liberal he will bow to public pressure when necessary as proven by the illegal immigration issue.  Your only choices are liberals, which liberal do you believe can you control the most consistently?  Obama? Clinton?  Romney? McCain?  Huckabee?  Go on pick one. Once you do, buy the appropriate choker collar and yank that chain as often as necessary to bring them to heel.  Muhuhaha

 Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008  Long Live the Empire!  Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.

ooh, someone will think ill of me - now that hurts:)

sounded to me back then like Jennings was the one throwing the tantrum:)

same deal with Kristol now...

stomp and pout all you like, Bill...

McCain is a rino reject - it's not our fault you wanna nominate the guy:)...

BTW do we really seem like the type of people that would wilt at the thought of being accused of "childish tantrums" when we already scoff at beheading/suicide-bombing radical terrorists and such...?

it's the left that needs to grow a pair, Bill - not us

Temper tantrum?  How about

Temper tantrum?  How about exercising our rights and duty as engaged citizens of this Republic????  How about that, eh?

This is what the libs said in 1980 when RR got elected and what they said in 1994 when the Republicans "took over" Congress.

I guess when you join the NYT they inject you with lib hormones.

The point is we have been

The point is we have been played.  The MSM and libs knew very well once the conservative candidates were gotten out of the way, that everyone would be squabbling over the remaining choices.  This was a two-fer for them, no real threat/choice and a disaffected electorate staying home protesting the crap they have to choose from.   Look at all of you tearing each other up over the scraps. Really guys, it's not time to argue with each over which one of these turds is the least liberal or will do the least damage.  This is the time to take on the MSM and Clinton for screwing over the country, again!  Let the rest of the voters pick a turd and we will make fertilizer out of what we are handed. 

 

 Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008  Long Live the Empire!  Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.

Kristol was backing McCain

Kristol was backing McCain last time around....none of what he has said has surprised me at all.

Barnes has infuriated me more and more so lately...he always has with his ease on illegal immigration, backing McCain ect.

I watch less and less of Fox anymore....just a few shows at night.

Nobody is going to cram McCain down my throat....least of all the talking heads of any stripe.

Same Here BT

I used to look forward to the "panel" during the last 20 minutes of Britt Hume's Fox News program. Lately I've opted for Andy Griffith re-runs. I'm not surprised at Kristol's pontifications. His "my sh*t doesn't stink" attitude has always rubbed me the wrong way. His move to the New York Times is right in line with that. Barnes really disappoints me . . . but when you think of it, his own program is called "The Beltway Boys".

Maybe the last straw for these guys was seeing their positions on immigration amnesty go down in flames last year. They didn't like being pushed around and beaten by the poor unwashed masses (us). They all got mad as hell at us, and forgot that it is us who read their damn columns and watch their TV shows . . . at least we used to.

    What was the need

    What was the need for Kristol's pre-emptive scolding strike?

  This is an attempt to shift blame for party disunity on the majority of the party because of the imposition of a candidate who doesn't represent the majority of the party.

I just posted this in the

I just posted this in the OT thread, but it fits here.

I have Rush on the radion right now.

He just had a gem from Bob Schrum, and said after the clip(paraphrasing) You think Bob Schrum's advice is meant to help McCain WIN?

The rest of the clips from the Sunday shows sound like the libs are all glad that those who
THINK they run the Republican party (Limabaugh et al) are going to be
forced to eat crow and support McCain.

They seem certain that Republicans will hold their nose in the
GE...they need to remember they have lost elections in the past by
staying home. What makes them think Republicans will change now?

I know I said it would be necessary, to avoid the "unthinkable"....but now I'm not so sure. I don't know how much better a McCain presidency would be.

 

"those conservatives who

"those conservatives who can’t abide McCain are free to rally around Mitt Romney."

Thanks Bill I sooo glad we got your ok to vote for who we like.

By the way, if I want to have a “temper tantrum”at the age of 54 I will. And so will my wallet. I will not vote or pay to be hit with a big liberal stick. I think I will need to save my money to pay all of the extra taxes we “all” will get due to your and the MSM pick.

So bite me.

 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party,the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

Did Bill Kristol's by-line

Did Bill Kristol's by-line include...

With additional opinions from Paul Krugman, Maureen Dowd and Frank Rich.

Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me!

Bill Kristol

My opinion of Bill Kristol just went down the drain.  He recently was hired by the New York Times so it looks like he is already doing the bidding of his new employer.

Keep in mind, Kristol

Keep in mind, Kristol supported McCain in the 2000 elections and has held a torch for him ever since.

Thus completing the circle, Warner

NYT hires Kristol 

NYT endorses McCain

Kristol re-endorses McCain

RJ ...and we all live

RJ

...and we all live unhappily ever after!

Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me!

"The circle is complete."

"When I left I was but the learner. Now, I am the Master!"

-Supply the appropriate deep voice...

Case of gastralgia

It's interesting how sometimes a person's true colors don't show up until the mortars start coming in.

A Barnes or a Kristol enjoy presenting themselves as conservatives, particularly when it sells magazines, gets one on TV to puff away and bloviate when things are going along nicely.

But when the opposition looks like they could be winning, and one has to stand up and be counted, the Barnes and Kristols crawl under the bed and demand that others crawl there with them. Their "solid conservative values" get, well, a little soft, a little uncomfortable and a little heavy to carry. And by golly if we don't join them under the bed, shaking and squealing when the going gets tough, we get called names, and are insulted and mocked.

Excuse me, I have to take a little antiacid pill. Barnes and Kristol and the rest of these spineless "conservatives" are giving me a bad case of gastralgia.

Liberal's Basic Rule For Discourse: I don't care if you agree with my premises, but I demand that you agree with my conclusions.

Not Poetry

 This is not poetry, but I just have to say it..... McCain is a turd on the bottom of the right shoe of the Republican Party and Barnes and Kriston on the bottom of the left shoe.  I never thought I could say that about Barnes and Kristol!

 A PROUD AMERICAN

Oh I dunno

"This is not poetry,. . . "

Oh, I dunno. I has a certain iambic rythym to it. ;+}

Liberal's Basic Rule For Discourse: I don't care if you agree with my premises, but I demand that you agree with my conclusions.

If the GOP choose to run

If the GOP choose to run with a sh*t sandwich for a candidate then I for one am not going to have a bite. To hell with compromising on conservative principles.

It Needs To Stop

This whole conversation regarding McCain and the conservatives needs to stop; it's distracting us. He's running for President; he's not a conservative; he's now trying to weasle his way in by 'adjusting' his positions; him and Huckabee have been tag-teaming Mitt Romney for weeks; and some conservatives are falling for this.  Look, l live in MA; I am not completely happy with how Romney has conducted himself here; but he's more in line with our conservative principles TODAY than John McCain ever will be and he needs our vote to be our nominee. To hell with what the MSM thinks about this, it's none of their business. They are creating this noise about Rush, Sean, Laura and others to distract us and drive people towards McCain. The way it looks today, we may lose our fight, but so be it. But the fight's not over, and until it is, let's push as hard as we can to defeat McCain.

In what way did he conduct

In what way did he conduct himself to your displeasure?

Let's face it, Billy hasn't

Let's face it, Billy hasn't produced anything worthwhile since Analyze That.

Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me!

Republican by Necessity

I can't speak for everyone here, but I would imagine that most of us are Conservative by (intelligent, insightful, and thoughtful) choice and Republican by necessity. We understand that the Republican Party is the only game in town.

What is so galling to us is how the Republican party leadership takes us for granted. I view it as a direct result of the gradual shift in the leadership: those who were Reaganites were replaced with the neo-cons that the Bush faction has put into their place. It began when the House Republicans got screwed for going after Clinton by the RINOs in the Senate. When Mr. Bush came to power, it continued with the so-called scandels that saw Tom DeLay and Trent Lott forced from their leadership positions while Mr. Bush stood quietly by.

The problem with the present leadership and Bush in particular is that they have erased many of the distinctions that made us different from the Democrats and their liberal leadership. Senator McCain has benefitted from that lack. This is the real reason why the MSM wants us the Party to send him to the general election. Once he wins, they will do to him what we were able to do to Senator Kerry.

For the opposite reasoons, this is why they fear Mitt Romney. He is the true threat to their agenda and their hopes. They now that they will not be able to attack him the way they can Senator McCain. They also know that Senator McCain is more likely to self-destruct.

I don't believe that Billy Kristol has been sipping the Kool Aid they have in the water cooler at the NYT, but he is being disingenuous with his finger pointing. If he wants to stump for McCain, then he should be honest enough to say so.

The Mass. Curse

Unfortunately for conservatives Massachusetts has given the Republicans a candidate much like they gave Democrats in '04...a candidate loved by the party faithful who turns off voters in a general election.

You can disagree with me all you want, but in large part I think Kerry got beat by Bush was not because W was so great, but rather Kerry was so flawed that the electorate turned against him. I fear that Romney would be the same....

I don't know if we are ready for 4 years of Democratic rule in hopes of getting a conservative Republican back in in 2012. In fact with the two front runners I would guess that election in 2008 will mean 8 years of a Democrat in office just be the force of their personalities.

I, personally, would rather vote McCain if he is the candidate, then work from within. To me that just makes more sense then standing by the sideline and being in abject misery for 8 years.

jbeeeb,

I, personally, would rather vote McCain if he is the candidate, then
work from within.

This is what we have been doing (or trying to do) since 1988, and look where is has brought us. We cannot continue to reward the Republican Party for sending us increasingly leftist candidates. If we do, then what will we be getting four or eight years down the road?

If we conservateives are going to allow McCain to represent us, we may as well move to a one-party system, as he is little different from his democrat adversaries.

George W. Bush was the last RINO I will ever vote for, and I only voted for him once.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

He's right!

  The country teeters on a 50-50 split of parties. It's not going to take much either way to put either party in office. Look at the last two general elections. If enough repubs stay home in protest, the democraps are in, and vice-a-versa. The country is made up of a lot of crazed dems who think it's their turn and are getting the vote out like the repubs did four years ago. Maybe they'll get in and hang themselves, ala Carter, and give the repubs a chance in  '12. It might be for the best, as many consevatives are severely disappointed in Georgey boy and his bunch for many things they did and didn't do.

Speaking of temper tantrums,

Speaking of temper tantrums, if McCain does not get the nomination, how long do you think he will stay in this tent the circus elephants have erected? Sure, if well constructed, a bigger tent is better but it seems that in their quest to expand at any cost, some of the elephants are pulling out stakes that could cause a major collapse.

Kristol can shove his

Kristol can shove his opinion up his "insert vulgarity". I refuse to vote for any candidate who stands against me on issues I consider important.

The most sustained,

The most sustained, organized attempt to intimidate conservatives into supporting John McCain has come from current and former members of the Weekly Standard staff. 

The magazine supported John McCain in the 2000 Republican primary, so it is pretty dishonest for Kristol to argue that he is simply suggesting the most realistic course for conservatives in 2008.  This crew has been trying to move the GOP left for a long time now. 

The most recent examples of Weekly Standard nastiness:

 

- Fred Barnes, in an article titled "Let's Grow Up, Conservatives" referring to the "talk radio mafia" (Currently up at Weeklystandard.com).

- In a Campaign Standard blog post from today, "Richelieu"(a.k.a. Mike Murphy, senior strategist with the McCain campaign in 2000) writes: "From an election results perspective it appears hanging out with the anti-immigrant Bund seems to be a kiss of death."

Opposition to John McCain has been given a name by the media: "talk radio".  Thuggish support for John McCain deserves a name too: the Weekly Standard. 

"...dishonest for Kristol

"...dishonest for Kristol to argue that he is simply suggesting the most realistic course for conservatives..."

And underneath that position lies the notion that only Kristol et al can define the "realistic course". This is a level of arrogance on their part which is truly breathtaking.

 

Liberal's Basic Rule For Discourse: I don't care if you agree with my premises, but I demand that you agree with my conclusions.

If the McCain-Feingold

If the McCain-Feingold Political Speech Suppression Act restricted the Weekly Standard to spending only a nickle each year to publish (salaries, rent, utilities, printing costs, etc.) the Weekly Standard, would Kristol consider that a restriction on its free speech rights?

Whatever Bill Kristol

You've never cared about social conservatives, and now that we're spoiling your plans you lash out with name calling.

Yeah we were kept out of politics in 1980 after that little tantrum we threw - oh wait, we weren't. And we threw a tantrum to push W over McCain in 2000, which conveniently got him a Republican Congress and support for the war.

Not to mention that nasty fit we threw over anmesty.

The point is that we're tired of throwing tantrums over rinos. We will kindly see ourselves out of the party and you see if you can get McCain "invited" to the White House without us.

support for mcCain

I happen to agree with Mr. Kristol.  McCain is too liberal on many issues, but we can't afford to have Hillary or Barrack in the White House.  The most powerful act a President can take is appointing Supreme Court justices.  The next 4-8 years will see between 1 and 4 new justices selected.  How many Ruth Bader Ginsburgs do you want deciding the future of our country?  It's very possible the Republicans will be below filibuster level after November.  I'm a huge fan of Rush, Sean, et al, but they're starting to sound like liberals, in the sense that they'd rather be an OPPOSER than a LEADER.

Last I heard, McCain also

Last I heard, McCain also opposed conservative judges making him no better than Obama or Clinton.

The only thing he is running on is his stand on the war and conveniently forgets to mention his 24 year liberal past.

If elected, McCain will be more like a dictator than a leader. He is unstable and cannot be trusted.

conservative judges

I respectfully disagree.  You're right about McCain probably not appointing conservative judges, but I think worst case scenario is that he would appoint moderate judges.  I think there's quite a gulf between the moderate judges he might appoint and hyper-liberal judges Hillary or Barrack might appoint.  Especially if Barrack/Hillary uses judicial appointments as a little red meat to keep the Daily Kos and MoveOn.org folks happy.  Of course it may not be an issue.  If Mr. Romney wins, it's a moot point.  He would make a good president, but if he wins the nomination over McCain, we all need to start planning our strategy to re-take the presidency from the Democrats in 2012.

Hillary instead of McCain

Hillary instead of McCain equals all the same crap, but minus the guilt of knowing you voted for the guy.

BTW, there are no "moderate" judges. They are either constructionists or believers in the "living Constitution." They can't be constructionist on some things and not others.  It's an all-or-nothing thing.

Nailed it!

"They are either constructionists or believers in the 'living Constitution.'"

And McCain will not nominate constructionists because they'd overturn McCain-Feingold the first chance they got.

Well Ned Potter

Keep on going until you're putting up Ron Paul to stop Fidel Castro.

As for me, McCain will be the final straw.

Mark, not totally sure I agree with you here.

With the exception of Ann Coulter, I haven't heard any leading conservative voices threaten to do so.

Rush Limbaugh has dropped some really, really strong hints that if McCain is the republican nominee that his vote may be going elsewhere. I can assure you that mine will be.

As for Bill Kristol's comments, we conservatives will have a "temper tantrum" anytime we darn well feel like it. If the republican party continues its perilous slide to the left, many of us are going to refuse to go along. We do not need two blatantly lefty-socialist political parties in this country.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

I think it was the late

I think it was the late Peter Jennings who, in 1994, when Democrats lost power, said the voters, like a bunch of 2-year-olds, had had a tantrum.

I didn't notice anyone saying the same thing in '06, when the Republicans were kicked out of power. No tantrum there; just a return to the proper order of the universe.

Rush Limbaugh has dropped


Rush Limbaugh has dropped some really, really strong hints that if McCain is the republican nominee that his vote may be going elsewhere.

He has said that if McCain is the candidate, the Republican Party will be destroyed. I cannot imagine him voting for McCain. I don't know what he'll do, but I would bet the mortgage money he won't vote for McCain.

Its About Immigration Stupid!

Bill K. and Fred B. and G. Bush and McCain all support open borders and amnesty for anyone who can walk, run, drive, swim, fall, parachute etc into this country to work for $10/hr and lower the standard of living for the vast and underappreciated majority of what once were referred to as Americans.  John Edwards coined the "2 Americas" theme even though he couldn't have cared less, but it is beginning to look true. Kristol and W are elites and do not see themselves as being ill-served by however many illegals enter this country -- their lifestyles are safe and secure and if trouble comes they will just relocate -- Hillary and Bill Clinton are building a large estate in the Dominican Republic as an example. Folks it's just us against them. What more can I say. I will not add to the slide by voting for McCain. PERIOD!

I might vote for McCain

McCain is over 70 years old an he looks like he is pushing 90. I really don't see this guy having the energy to run for re-election. If McCain selects a reasonable running mate (NOT Huckabee), I would essentially be hoping that the VP would be running in 2012.

Let's face it we are stuck with 3 terrible options

__________________Hillary____Obama___McCain
illegal aliens_________bad________bad_____bad
Iraq________________?_________bad_____reasonable
supreme court_______bad________bad_____bad
taxes______________bad________bad_____not as bad

All three of these options make me want to puke. Hillary and Obama get an F- while McCain gets an F+. But Hillary and Obama will likely be there for 8 years if they get their foot in the door, McCain might not be(please, please, please).

If you are going to vote to send a message to the Republican Party, remember, it will also send a message of empowerment to the Democrats. Hillary and Obama will likely look at a wide margin of victory as a sign of approval.

Please Mitt, find a way to pull a miracle.

"an endorsement of communism is an endorsement of slavery"

Look Above for Your Answer

"What was the need for Kristol's pre-emptive scolding strike?" 

I would say merely look at the responses above for your answer.

Either you believe bloggers and blogging makes a difference, or you believe they and it does not. If you believe they do, then why should you be surprised if men like Bill Kristol read the rants that regularly appear on sites like this, diatribes ever more hysterically calling for exactly the kind of behavior he was warning against? Why should only "leading conservative voices" be the only ones to whom he listens?

Rush, Ann, et al are not the ones who will elect any candidate. They are a tiny fraction of voters who will put someone new in the presidency next year. If Kristol were to only listen to them, he would indeed be neglecting the conservative voters, and his comments would be less than worthless. However, it appears he does read and understand the opposition demonstrated by the conservative base that is actively involved here. He then made a rational appeal to that base.

 No surprise there at all, Mark.

V/R

Clyde

"...the aspirants to tyranny are either the...men of the state, who in democracies are demagogues,... or those who hold great offices, and have a long tenure.." - Aristotle, Politics, c350BC

Bill Kristol

Bill Kristol is a sissy conservative and spoiled brat commentator.

Every time I see him I always think of his sitting there in front of the TV Camera stating with arrogant certainty that Bill Clinton will be gone within the week, after the Monica Lewinsky affair was headlined.

He and Fred Barnes are Republican Party parrots who expound what they want to be the facts as apposed to what the facts really are.

Temper Tantrum? Nope, It's An Intervention!

Temper Tantrum? Nope, It's An Intervention! (and Kristol is an xss!)

The G.O.P. will have to fall on it's face for backing the uber-RINO if it is going to get better. The G.O.P. establishment pushed Ford in 1976, but after 4 years awefull years of Carter we were able to elect Reagan!

I'm going to vote for Romney tomorrow in New Jersey, and if he doesn't get the G.O.P. nomination, I will write in Fred Thompson for the General Election.

 

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Temper tantrum, indeed. 

Temper tantrum, indeed.  Maybe if the MSM and certain politicians hadn’t stepped all over each other to endorse the McCain candidacy before the vast majority of Americans had a chance to cast their primary votes… maybe then I wouldn’t have such a bad taste in my mouth.  Senator Martinez, Governor Crist, Rudy Giuliani, Governor Schwarzenegger and certain MSM pundits turned up the pressure on voters to support the Republican General Election ticket before most of us had the opportunity to cast a primary vote.  Talk Radio is the counter-balance to the lobbying efforts of Bill Kristol and others… but conservative Talk Radio may have come to this game too late.

I am so sick and tired of

I am so sick and tired of these beltway "Republicans" trying to shove unacceptable candidates down our throats.  If Bill Kristol and his Weak-ly Standard want to portray this revolt as a "tantrum", fine...I'll happily hold my breath to avoid the medicine John McCain prescribes.  We've had enough Arlen Spectors, enough Linc Chafees, enough Arnold Schwarzeneggers, enough Mike Huckabees, enough Lindsey Grahams, Bob Michels, Mike DeWines, Chuck Hagels, Jim Jeffords, Olympia Snowes, Susan Collins, Charlie Crists, Sonny Perdues, Tim Pawlentys, Mel Martinezes.  If we're stuck with the terminally unacceptable John McCain, a lot of conservatives are going to walk.  Deal with it, Kristol.