Don't tell Joe Scarborough that John McCain's the stronger Republican candidate because he can attract voters in the middle. The Morning Joe host has depicted McCain as unelectable because of the opposition to him of two key conservative leaders, Rush Limbaugh and James Dobson.
Scarborough's comments during the opening segment of today's Morning Joe were prompted by an article in today's New York Times that included this line [emphasis added]:
Since his victory in the Florida primary, the growing possibility that Mr. McCain may carry the Republican banner in November is causing anguish to the right. Some, including James C. Dobson and Rush Limbaugh, say it is far too late for forgiveness.
JOE SCARBOROUGH: There are a lot of conservatives that I've heard grousing that have said "I would rather a Democrat win then John McCain."
View video here.
WILLIE GEIST: That's amazing.
SCARBOROUGH: Well, their feeling is, a failure, another Republican president who goes in there and fails, is devastating. [NB: Scarborough had early clarified that by failure he meant a president with Pres. Bush's poll ratings.] Not only in the short term but also in the long term. Some cynically say: "give us another Clinton and we'll have Congress back in two years." Well, it's the truth!
MIKA BRZEZINSKI: Well, here's the problem though that the Republican party faces now, and that is that [McCain] may be the only one who can win.
SCARBOROUGH: Win what?
BRZEZINSKI: The election?
SCARBOROUGH: Which election?
BRZEZINSKI: How about even the nomination?
SCARBOROUGH: The general election? I think that is highly unlikely when you see people like the most powerful conservatives --
BRZEZINSKI: You think it's unlikely that he'll win the nomination?
SCARBOROUGH: No, I think he can win the nomination; I'm talking about the general election. A Republican [presidential nominee] cannot win -- I see two names at the top of this New York Times article. A Republican president cannot be elected in 2008 if Rush Limbaugh and James Dobson are opposed to him in the way they are.
I hear a lot of liberals attacking James Dobson and Rush Limbaugh. I hear a lot of people who live in New York City attack James Dobson and Rush Limbaugh. I hear a lot of people in Georgetown and West L.A. attacking Rush Limbaugh and James Dobson. But brother, let me tell you something: if you want to be elected anything in the Republican party from dogcatcher to President of the United States, the first two people you want on your side are Rush Limbaugh and James Dobson. John McCain has neither.
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.
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John McCain is John Fn Kerry
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 07:41 ET by Red JeepJohn McCain is John Fn Kerry Part 2. Viet Nam hero, ultra rich wife,
liberal values. Why would any conservative vote for him? Now both
parties have Democrats running for CinC.
FOR ONCE SCHMOE IS RIGHT
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 07:43 ET by Der AlteAs much as I hate to say it Morning Schmoe is right! Not having Rush in his corner is going to hurt McCain in November. I have been a Republican since 1968 and for the first time in my life I have serious reservations about supporting the party's candidate and I know there are others who feel the same way. I am ready for the train to come off the tracks in order for the GOP to get back on track! Lord help the party of Lincoln and TR!
Ann Coulter said on H&C that
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 07:51 ET by motherbeltAnn Coulter said on H&C that she would vote for Clinton over McCain...she said hell, she'd campaign for Clinton (but I'm fairly sure she was kidding...)she said that at least Clinton hasn't said she would close Guantanamo, she thinks she will find that we have to stay in Iraq, and she actually lies less than McCain.
→ Right MB
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 07:54 ET by Cool ArrowThis once, I don't think Ann was saying anything in parody or jest.
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I think she was kidding only
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 08:09 ET by motherbeltI should have been clearer....I think she was kidding only about "campaigning" for Clinton, not voting for her.
the RNC delegates will have
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 11:54 ET by TruthMongerthe RNC delegates will have to decide - the message from the base rejecting McCain is loud and clear:)
if they nominate McCain/Huckster we will lose the presidency to a junior senator with no legislative or executive experience to speak of...
and if that doesn't get the enemies of the free world smiling I don't know what else will:)
you're right. We just won't
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 14:18 ET by Conservative in the Artsyou're right. We just won't vote because we don't want Libs to use our votes against Mclame as proof of how popular she is.
I think AC was kidding.. but
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 08:23 ET by Jack BauerI think AC was kidding.. but I'm guessing she'll sit it out.
Last Day to Witness the Crucifiction.......
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 12:12 ET by RovinIt's the Last Day to witness the CRUCIFICTION OF JOHN McCAIN by the "puritan conservatives". Be sure to step up to the cross and heave a spit on the old man that some here are claiming Hillary is more conservative than McCain------what a load of horse manure.
With the Superbowl taking over the media frenzy and silencing the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, et all, maybe rational heads will come down from their "Pontius Pilot" thrones and realize there is NO POLL showing that Romney can defeat Hillary or Obama, (in fact he is losing by double digits to both of them in most polls), while the same polls show McCain defeating either Democrat by 9-15 points. Take McCain and the points and re-focus on the BIG GAME, which is defeating the Democratic nominee.
Or do "conservatives" really want to gamble with putting Hillary and Bill back on the throne?
Latest Gallop national tracking poll: McCain 37% Romney 22%
Disclaimer: Yes, I do have many issues with McCain of great concern that does not please me as much as others here. Neither of the two remaining viable candidates fit into the mold of the pure principals of conservatism. The "my party has left me" faction have valid points. But fracturing the party to the point that allows another eight years of a Clinton Dynasty would be the ultimate sin. Eight years of higher taxes, entitlements ballooning, and maybe up to three liberal Supreme Court justices appointed ------- roll the dice------but please remember, everything's in the pot, including your children and grandchildren's future.
Oh, and I like the Giants + the points.
Rovin
McCain cannot win without the Conservative Block
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 12:23 ET by SouthJersey1953Speaking of horse manure.....why should we abandon our principles so that McLame becomes the nominee? Getting him is will be almost as bad as Hellary. Little tougher on defense, but other than that one issue.......
No RINOs in '08
Actually, it's worse ...
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 14:06 ET by masslibertarianRe "Getting [McCain] will be almost as bad as Hellary" - I think we're actually worse off with McCain.
If Hillary winds up winning, all the wrongheaded stuff that happens will provide ammo to Republicans (I'm talking about real, conservative Republicans here, not RINOs) in future elections. If instead it's McCain pushing essentially the same policies she would, and arriving at the same failing result, what good does that do us?
Rush is right that the parallels to '76 Ford vs. Reagan are uncanny. The left wing of the Republican party gave us Ford in '76. Ford's nomination (o.k., and Watergate, Vietnam, etc.) gave us 4 disastrous years of Carter. Carter gave us Reagan (all hail Ronaldus Magnus).
As I said in a previous post, all you people pushing McCain because "he's the only one who can beat Hillary" are advocating what will ultimately be a Pyrrhic victory if it comes to pass.
Looking at the long-term ramifications for conservatism and little "l" libertarianism, I would much rather nominate a conservative and lose to Hillary than nominate a liberal and win.
Your argument flys right
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 15:02 ET by RovinYour argument flys right out the window after Clinton appoints two liberal Supreme Court justices before you even get the next round in your gun. You want to wait 30 years to rectify that? McCain WILL NOT APPOINT LIBERAL JUDGES!
Rovin
No?
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 15:07 ET by RJHe said he thinks Alito is too conservative. Add to that his desire to please Democrats and I see liberal appointments from him....not just for SCOTUS, but think of all the opportunities for appeasing his "friends" with the 180 or so Federal judges he'll appoint....
He will likely appoint
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 17:35 ET by BDHe will likely appoint selected judges in order to find his "Legal Masterpiece" of MCCain-Feingold constitutional when it is clearly NOT.
As a resident of Arizona, I can tell you that McCain long ago ceased being the Senator from here, but rather became the Senator from the press.
I think J McCain might have a hard time running for Senator next election if he continues on the path he is currently on. He is going to have a hard time winning the border counties due to his insistance of abandonement of Border First enforcement last summer.
I am sadly certain he will win the AZ primary, but a lot of that will simply be pride points much like South Dakota voting for its hometown boy, McGovern. When he is not up for Pres next time he will be jettisoned.
Beat you to the punch on
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 17:42 ET by masslibertarianBeat you to the punch on this one, Rovin. Read a little further down for my views on what kind of judges McCain is likely to appoint.
I'm not voting for Sen. McCain either
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 08:17 ET by Iowa BoyNot ever. Not ever. Not ever. Not even if he wins the nomination and selects Gov. Romney for his running mate. Since 1980, I have always supported the party's nominee but, I'll write-in before I vote for Sen. McCain for President.
"That's just my opinion. I could be wrong." - Dennis Miller
Scarborough finally understands Juan "Mexico First" McAmnesty
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 08:50 ET by PopularTechOpen borders advocate Juan Hernandez has joined the McCain campaign (HotAir)
Juan Hernandez, McCain Advisor: Mexico First! (Video) (4min)
McCain Would Sign Amnesty Bill as President (Video)
Joe finally gets it!
"give us another Clinton and we'll have Congress back in two years."
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Maybe Poptech - but you'll also have 2 lifetime SC appointments
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 11:36 ET by Dee Bunkmore liberal than Ginsberg. And don't forget Clinton was re-elected.
If Obama gets in then it will be even worse. We may not even get Congress back.
→ SCOTUS appointments
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 11:41 ET by Cool ArrowAnd historically it's common knowledge the wimpy Republicans won't put up a fight regardless of the offering Bambi or Hillary provides.
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Right Cool Arrow
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 11:50 ET by Dee BunkRight Cool Arrow. Because Republicans follow established traditions. The only thing we can hope is that the Dem unprecedented filibuster will make them feel free to do the same. Most Republicans are not as contentious though.
→ Established traditions
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 11:55 ET by Cool ArrowThat's always ticked me off. The Dems believe in "any means possible", But to me, it seems Republicans stop just short of "well, that kinda isn't fair"
I think Speaker Gingrich proved a lot when his House forced a Democrat President to limit Welfare.
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They better be ready for the consequences
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 08:52 ET by funkdomeIf Rush undercuts McCain and we end up with Obama or Clinton, he will be on my shit list forever. Same with Coulter.
These two rigid partisans are about to get us a screaming liberal President, all because they aren't getting their way. They are splitting the party due to their own selfishness.
Medved was right. Rush is acting like a big liberal baby. Wahhhhh!
What is Rush wrong about
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 09:04 ET by motherbeltWhat is Rush wrong about with regard to mcCain?
Do you think it's better to have a screaming liberal Republican in the White House? Is the R after the name so important?
Hell Michael Bloomberg "calls himself" a Republican.
→ Maybe MB
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 09:16 ET by Cool ArrowMaybe all we're going to get out of this election cycle is a clear definition between Conservatism and that which Republicanism has become.
Way too many people have come to know Uncle Sam as a soft touch with deep pockets. I just hope I can insulate myself sufficiently against the day all the bills come due. And that means self sufficiency without all the Government promises made to me toward my retirement.
Somewhere within the next administration we will have bowed so subserviently to foreign slavemasters we'll be nothing more than another France.
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Difference
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 09:26 ET by funkdomeAre you really telling me that you think there is no difference between Obama and McCain? Are you telling me they have the same views on Iraq and terrorism? The same views on the role of government? The same views on wealth distribution?
I am not saying that McCain is a perfect candidate (although the idea that he is a screaming liberal is a joke). What I am saying is that only a fool sees no difference between him and the Dem candidates and that a Romney candidacy will lead to one of those Dems driving the boat the next few years.
The GOP lost the independant vote with the poor performance of the GOP congress and the anti-Bush propoganda put out by the MSM. A traditonal conservative like Romney can not win in 2008. McCain is the best we are going to do this year and he is a far better choice than Obama or Clinton.
McCain is marginally better
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 09:30 ET by RJthan Clinton or Obama, not "far better."
Well
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 09:40 ET by funkdomeLooks like we disagree. I could see that position if a precipitous withdrawl from Iraq, a nuclear Iran, a massive wealth redistribution program, a union resurgence and the imposition of "village" to raise my child didn't bother me so much.
There is no doubt that McCain dropped the ball on immigration. But, as Bush learned, that battle will be won or lost in Congress.
Iraq is the only thing we agree on, funkdome
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 09:50 ET by RJIraq is the only thing we agree on regarding McCain's positions. He dropped the ball in far more than immigration (by the way, as President, he WILL push for the same thing all over again)
Do you think his attack on free speech would stop at McCain-Feingold? Look for an assult from President McCain on talk radio. He's a petty, vindictive man, and I have no doubt he would support the "Fairness Doctrine" because of the attacks he's currently receiving from the right.
No wealth redistribution? Think you'll ever see tax cuts from a man who voted against Bush's wildly successful tax cuts?
"I really like Mike Huckabee." -uber lib Mika Brezinski
Ditto
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 14:33 ET by masslibertarianWill someone please tell me with a straight face that they believe McCain won't impose a McCain-Feingold litmus test on his SCOTUS nominees?
There is no such thing as a "constructionist" (think Thomas, Scalia and Alito) who wouldn't completely toss MF as an unconstitutional prior restraint on free political speech. No matter what McCain says on the campaign trail, his appointees will not be cut from the Thomas-Scalia-Alito mold and are much more likely to be reminiscent of Kennedy or Souter at best.
The fact that McCain, who has been taking an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States since he was a fourth class midshipman, conducted the greatest full frontal assault on the freedom of political speech guaranteed by the first amendment in the history of this country is the reason I, like Ann Coulter, will NEVER vote for him!
Here! Here! MassL and RJ.
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 14:38 ET by bigtimerHere! Here! MassL and RJ.
funkdome, I asked you one
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 09:56 ET by motherbeltfunkdome, I asked you one question, and instead of answering that, you responded with questions to me.I didn't say anything about views on terrorism etc.
What is Rush wrong about with McCain?
Juan "Mexico First" McAmnesty cannot win in 2008
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 10:03 ET by PopularTechBush won in 2004 overwhelmingly. And Congress got voted out for not acting on immigration and Bush not replacing Dumsfeld before the 06 elections. Romney can not only win but he is the only candidate left that can unite conservatives. McCain cannot win because too many conservatives will stay home at the polls if he is nominated. Pandering to Independents is a sure solution for Juan "Mexico First" McCain's policies via a Hillary Clinton presidency which are unacceptable:
John McCain: The Democrats' Favorite Republican (Video) (1min)
"I believe my party has gone astray. I think the Democratic Party is a fine party, and I have no problems with it, in their views and their philosophy." - John McCain
McCain Calls Conservative Leaders 'Agents of Intolerance' (The Wall Street Journal)
"Neither party should be defined by pandering to the outer reaches of American politics and the agents of intolerance, whether ... on the left, or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell on the right." - John McCain
McCain's Age (Townhall)
Age: 71
- McCain graduated 894th out of 899 in his class at the United States Naval Academy
Betrayal, deceit, corruption and John McCain (The U.S. Veteran Dispatch)
"While still married to Carol, McCain began an adulterous relationship with Cindy. He married Cindy in May 1980 - just a month after dumping his crippled wife and securing a divorce."
John McCain: The Geraldo Rivera Republican (Human Events)
McCain: I'll Respect Hillary (NewsMax)
"I Have No Doubt That Senator Clinton Would Make A Good President." - John McCain
The Real McCain Record (National Review Online)
Abortion:
John McCain Supports Embryonic Stem Cell Research (Audio)
McCain Softens Abortion Stand (The Washington Post)
"But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations." - John McCain
Anger Issues:
McCain Criticized for Slur (San Francisco Chronicle)
Andy Card: I Have Seen John McCain's Anger (NewsMax)
John McCain: I Have Anger Issues (NewsMax)
John McCain's Temper Preceded Vietnam (NewsMax)
McCain Goes Nuts Near Senate Floor (NewsMax)
McCain's Out-of-Control Anger: Does He Have the Temperament to Be President? (NewsMax)
Vanity Fair Tiptoes Around McCain's Explosive Temper (NewsMax)
Endorsements:
Juan Hernandez, Open borders Advocate Endorses McCain (HotAir)
Republicans for Al Gore (Environmental Protection) Endorses McCain (Press Release)
The New York Times Endorses John McCain and Clinton (Reuters)
Foreign Policy:
McCain considers setting benchmarks for Iraqis (Arizona Daily Star)
McCain falls asleep during the State of the Union Address (Video)
McCain: No 'Torture' for 9/11 Mastermind (NewsMax)
McCain to Close Gitmo: "The first day I am President" (Video)
McCain: Torture Worked on Me (NewsMax)
Global Warming:
McCain and Lieberman Push for New Anti-Global Warming Legislation (The National Center for Public Policy Research)
Senators McCain and Lieberman Propose Energy Tax (The National Center for Public Policy Research)
"No drilling in ANWR, nor in the Everglades, nor off the coast of Florida... To think that drilling in ANWR is the solution to our incredible energy needs is frankly, is not keeping in the reality of what's there, and what it would take to get it out." - John McCain
"I always have a glass of ethanol before breakfast every morning" - John McCain
Illegal Immigration:
Open borders advocate Juan Hernandez has joined the McCain campaign (HotAir)
Juan Hernandez, McCain Advisor: Mexico First! (Video) (4min)
McCain Would Sign Amnesty Bill as President (Video)
John McCain gets a 'D' on his Immigration Voting Report Card (Americans for Better Immigration)
- McCain favors business lobbyists’ desires for foreign workers vs. protecting American workers’ wages and jobs
- McCain’s hopes of giving millions amnesty will saddle American taxpayers with huge costs of $20,000 per illegal per year
- McCain has taken the pro-amnesty position in nearly two dozen votes
- McCain only promises to make 2 million of the 12-20 million illegal aliens go home
John McCain Praises Pro-illegal Protests (NewsMax)
McCain aide touts 'Mexico first' policy (WorldNetDaily)
McCain: "Americans Will Not Pick Lettuce for $50 an Hour" (AFL-CIO)
McCain called plan 'amnesty' in 2003 (WorldNetDaily)
"I think we can set up a program where amnesty is extended to a certain number of people, Amnesty has to be an important part..." - John McCain, 2003
McCain: U.S. Should Welcome Illegal Immigrants (FOXNews)
McCain Voted For Illegal Immigrants To Collect Social Security (UC Daily News)
Michigan Crowd Boos McCain On Illegal Immigration (Video) (1min)
U.S. Border Patrol Agents Angry with McCain (NewsMax)
Marriage:
Christian Leader James Dobson says 'no way' to McCain candidacy (WorldNetDaily)
"I think that gay marriage should be allowed if there's a ceremony kind of thing, if you wanna call it that. I don't have any problem with that." - John McCain
McCain: Same-sex marriage ban is un-Republican (CNN)
Taxes:
"I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated." - John McCain
McCain: For and Against Tax Cuts (Video)
McCain Boasts That He Voted Against The Bush Tax Cuts (Video)
McCain Would Vote Against Tax Cuts Again (The Club for Growth)
- McCain sponsored and voted for an enormous 282% tax increase on cigarettes in 1998
- McCain was one of only two Republican to vote against the $1.35 trillion tax cut in 2001
- McCain was one of only two Republicans to twice vote against permanent repeal of the death tax in 2002
- McCain was one of only three Republican to twice vote against the $350 billion tax cut in 2003
McCain’s Costly Tax on Energy (National Review Online)
- The EPA Estimates Sen. McCain's Plan Would Hike Gas Taxes By 68 Cents Per Gallon
- The EPA Estimates Sen. McCain's Plan Would Reduce United States GDP By As Much As $5.2 Trillion
McCain Rejects Anti-Tax Pledge (CNSNews)
Veterans:
McCain Can't Buy His Way Out of Votes Against Funding for Veterans
- McCain Voted Against $19 Billion for Military Hospitals
- McCain Voted Against Amendment to Provide $2.8 Billion For Veterans' Medical Care
- McCain Voted Against 2005 Amendment to Provide Guaranteed Funding Stream for Veterans' Health Care
- McCain Voted Against Establishing $1 Billion Trust Fund to Provide Improvements to Military and Veterans' Health Facilities
- McCain Voted Against Adding $1.5 billion to Veterans' Medical Services in FY 2007 by Closing Corporate Tax Loopholes
- McCain Voted Against Mandatory Funding of $6.9 Billion in FY 2007 and $104 Billion Over Five Years for Veterans' Health Care
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Wow PT! Did ya stay up
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 13:31 ET by RovinWow PT! Did ya stay up all night working on this? Now go spend a few hours and show us all how Hillary would stand on these same issues.
Rovin
Rigid partisans? Well at
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 10:35 ET by Ryan Mc.Rigid partisans? Well at least you show your stripes.
Ryan
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 10:40 ET by DelsaWhat is a rigid partisan? Is it a person with principles? Would you explain it to me please.
delsa
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 10:46 ET by candancerigid partisan = anyone who disagrees with funk.
Thanks Candance
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 10:47 ET by DelsaNow I get it.
Rush just happens to agree
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 11:51 ET by bigtimerfunk...
Rush just happens to agree with a lot of us conservatives, we think on our own...he isn't splitting the party...McCain and the powers that be in the repub party are splitting the party...
Rush is right.
→ Yes, bigtimer
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 12:00 ET by Cool ArrowConservatism doesn't change. It's a school of discipline.
Republicanism obviously can follow the trade winds if it so chooses.
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liberal "D" or liberal "R"
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 12:26 ET by SouthJersey1953What a choice that is!!!!
STILL time to vote for Mitt.....it ain't over yet.
No RINOs in '08
JUAN MC CAIN...
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 09:08 ET by danybhoyI don't think I could vote for McCain either, has nothing to do with Dobson or El-Rushbo though.
In my opinion, McCain sucks on taxes, the border & illegals, global warming, & on free speech. He has been is Washington way too long, & has been running for President way too long. I don't trust anyone who want it as badly as McCain, or anyone running this year for the Dems, esspecially Hillary Rotten...
Yea, I know he's a war hero, & I thank him for his service to our nation & would never wish upon anybody(even BathTubBoy)what he went through as a POW. But his record should be cut into 1/3, his military record, the first half of his Senate career, & the last 10 years of his Senate career. He's on the decline in my opinion, his last 10 years sucks, & he is too old now. He reminds me of the old guy who would yell at me if I went into his yard to get my football when it went into his yard, bitter & angry.
"Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise" Mark Levin
So long as Romney keeps
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 09:15 ET by LeonSo long as Romney keeps flip-flopping, McCain doesn't need Rush or anyone to win.
Last night's debate was another great example of Romney's utter lack of principles.
States should have the right to regulate their own emissions policies. Makes perfect sense to me.
And last night, it made perfect sense to Romney:
Q: Just so I’m clear, you said you side with the states. That means you side with Governor Schwarzenegger —
ROMNEY: I side with states being able to make their own decisions, even if I don’t always agree with the decisions they make.
But of course, as he has done with almost every major issue, Romney changed his mind hours later, and flip-flopped. Another great example of man with ZERO principles. This is really who you want for President? Wow.
it makes more sense to have one set of Federal rules to address CO2 emissions from vehicles rather than a patchwork of different State regulations.”
But, uh, Mitt, didn't you just say, literally a few hours ago, that this was up to the states? Did you just lie for the debate? What's your deal?
Zero Principles Leon ?
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 10:15 ET by JayTeeThat's weak, a Complex issue simplified to a zero Principles conclusion. You move faster than the speed up light, Leon.
Slow down and read the signs.
Stimulis: Congress and the president are now agreed on remedies that will not work, expending money they do not have, to fix a problem that may not exist. Steve Chapman
JayTee, I'm not
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 10:50 ET by LeonJayTee,
I'm not following
Did he not say it was up to the states during the debate, then completely change his position several hours later?
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what happened.
I'm not following your conclusion, Leon
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 11:02 ET by JayTeeZero Principles
Requires proof on how you reached the conclusion. I just don't see it. There are Lots of instances of State Laws and Fed Laws governing the Same Issue. Just look at the Pot Machines in Calif. as another Example of state/fed drug laws policing the same issue. There are many cases where you can't black and white State/Fed Laws as belonging to either one or the other.
EPA overlap, State/Fed laws, It's a reality that Calif. is pursuing all the way to the Appeals courts and beyond. You can't convict Romeny of "zero Principles" on just this one issue...but that's my opinion.
JayTee,That's because
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 11:09 ET by LeonJayTee,
That's because you wilfully ignore Romney's 180 degree turn on every single major social issue.
I've already discussed his lack of principles ad nauseum with evidence. See abortion, gays, or healthcare. That should be a good start.
I hear what you're saying about the state laws v. federal laws, but that's not what Romney was talking about.
McCain's enemies
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 09:19 ET by candanceWe were discussing this very topic in the chat last night. Even if McCain gets the nod the Clinton machine will come after him with every scandal and accusation they can, driving down those moderate and independent votes he needs. When the casual voter learns how he cheated on his wife, barely passed his classes at the Naval Academy, basically took a bribe from Keating, has a temper worse than Hillary, refused to vote on ending the war and flip flopped his stand on taxes, they're going to think twice about voting for him.
And when all of this crap starts hitting the fan the influencial people on the right will not defend him. He'll be left to stand on his own.
Don't blame them for that. When McCain runs around calling ministers "agents of intolerance" and saying Rush Limbaugh is not important any more, why should the right speak up for him?
→ candance
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 09:26 ET by Cool ArrowYou're right. He's got this honeymoon going with the Black Widow. "She loves me, she really loves me"
And there is no major news outlet sufficiently rehashing McCain's drawbacks to make any difference.
It's a pathetic tango.
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Joe isn't even a real
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 09:29 ET by wiwfJoe isn't even a real conservative (but he plays one on TV), and even he's making more sense than Juan McC***!
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Candance, That's
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 09:29 ET by LeonCandance,
That's ridiculous. There's nothing more to learn about McCain. He has no more skeletons in his closet.
The Republican party has already stripped this guy to the bone. There isn't anything left for the Clinton 'machine' to attack.
McCain has already stood on his own. He already faced down the most powerful slime machine in the history of American politics, the Bush campaign in 2000. They brutalized him.
He's been there, done that. He'll be the nominee and you can either cry about it or support your party. Choose one.
um okay Leon
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 09:36 ET by candanceIf the cat is already out of the bag, how come the MSM is being so quiet about it? You really believe no one on the left will start bringing up his flaws again? Hillary interviewed Obama's kindergarden teacher for dirt. She's going to attack McCain every way she can.
And LOL Bush beat up on McCain. Apparently you heard McCain's lie that Bush was playing dirty but missed the part where Bush proved his innocence.
And I really can't believe you said "in the history of American politics." When you compare this to the hate against Abe Lincoln, FDR and Andrew Jackson it makes your statement look pretty naive.
Candance, 1) The reason
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 09:44 ET by LeonCandance,
1) The reason the MSM is quiet about it is b/c everything you could possibly attack McCain about is OLD NEWS. It's been done.
2) Bush's treatement of McCain was disgraceful in 2000. Bush proved his innocence? No, he was out of line and went for the jugular. Hey he was trying to win, I get it, but it was still disgraceful.
3) Abe Lincoln? Hmmm. Ok. Rove et al. are the biggest slime machine ever.
Wow Leon
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 09:52 ET by candanceIs there any level you would not go to in your efforts to impede Republicans? Karl Rove's attack on John McCain was worse than the assault on Lincoln in 1864? You mean Rove printed cartoons portraying McCain as Satan, held mock executions for him, printed phoney indictments in newspapers?
Well, no, but Rove talked bad about his love life. Yeah that's worse than anything any other candidate has had to go through.
Leon you are full of it
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 09:54 ET by DelsaMcCain was the guy behind his so called smear in the carolinas.
Bush had nothing to do with it. You just can't see past your bias against Romney.
Candance is RIGHT!!!!!
Leon, he may not have any
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 09:44 ET by motherbeltLeon, he may not have any more skeletons in his closet, but the media certainly hasn't been talking abou the ones already exposed. You can bet the Clintons aren't going to be using the term "old news" when it comes to them. That alibi only applies to them and their scandals. And you can raise the bet, because the same MSM that downplays flaws while he's running against Republicans will be only too willing to tar and feather him with them when he is running against their Democrat darling.
→ Leon
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 09:46 ET by Cool ArrowThe Conservative attacks on McCain are nothing without the necessary reporting by the MSM to disseminate the information to the electorate.
The MSM are holding back the flood of "hard hitting expose' " until such time as it's necessary. Right now it's necessary for McCain to be the (R) candidate. After he gets the nod, he's a fat fish in a small barrel come general election time.
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Vote McCain! - He Hates the Gooks!
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 10:19 ET by PopularTechWrong, Leon there is something new everyday...
McCain Criticized for Slur (San Francisco Chronicle)
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→ Actually PopTech
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 10:26 ET by Cool ArrowActually, that story isn't new, but you're right, the gook remark is going to be one of those "little things" that suddenly gets mountainous only after he gets the Republican nod and is pitted against the Darling Dem.
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And Bird for VP! He hates the N[bleep]S!
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 10:54 ET by BritcomSen. Robert Bird (D) WV
Older than McCain
Used to cavort about in white sheets with his fellow Klansmen.
Swings a mean cane.
</sarc>
→ Possibly Britcom
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 11:00 ET by Cool ArrowIt's possible McCain uses the term "gook" to refer to the North Vietnamese rather than all Vietnamese.
I know growing up I wouldn't have even considered correcting an Iwo Jima veteran on their references.
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Those G**ks he says he still hates
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 11:10 ET by BritcomThis page has some pics of McCain hating his captors. Link >>
The man is insane.
Britcom
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 11:32 ET by DelsaGreat link. Thank you
I just saw a national poll
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 09:37 ET by motherbeltI just saw a national poll on MSNBC a few minutes ago...I got so mad I can;t even remember the exact numbers, but it had McCain over Romney by 15 points or more.
I'm so angry and depressed this AM I can't even see straight. All I'm seeing is RED!! (and I don't mean red states!)
mb... I saw the same poll
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 11:19 ET by bigtimermb...
I saw the same poll too...Gallup/USA or some such...they are doing what their agenda has been from day one with McCain with oodles of help from the powers to be in the repub party...
I am sick to death of the attempt to cram the piece of work McCain down our throats...well he won't be crammed down mine, like I said yesterday or the day before..never in a million years did I ever think McCain would be who we end up with...hell, he is even against Romney for his wealth...I thought only phony leftists played that role....tells you tons about McCain, but nobody ever mentions the wealth of his own wife.
Motherbelt do not be depressed
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 09:51 ET by DelsaMotherbelt, do not be depressed. If you haven't voted yet and you have a chance, vote for Romney.
And what ever you do DO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO POLLS. The are meant, in our case, to depress our turn out. If all else fails, go to the polls and skip the presidential part.
almost not a dimes worth of difference between mccain and the obama's and clinton's of the world. He will distroy our party and Dobson and Limbaugh are liberal BUZZ words.
Keep the faith.
I do not think i will watch Fox. Only Mccain and Clinton this Sunday.
I'm tryin, delsa, but it's
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 11:05 ET by motherbeltI'm tryin, delsa, but it's hard. PA's primary is not till April, No way would I stay home, and I am talking to everyone I know (that's a republican...the people I worked with are all bigitime liberals...) to get out and vote for Romney. I'm a full-time caregiver for my husband now, so i can't do it, but if I could I would go out and pound the pavement for Romney. Maybe I can volunteer to do phone calls from home or something.
A vote for anyone other than Romney is
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 10:01 ET by DelsaA vote for anyone other than Romney is vote for McCain. Rush has been absolutly correct
regarding McCains positions.
clear distinction
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 10:12 ET by candanceMost of us who are talking about a write-in candidate are not talking about the primary. We are fully behind Romney and are willing to help him overcome McCain. If Romney cannot overcome McCain, then we're talking about a plan B that does not include McCain.
And for everyone who thinks McCain is better than Hillary - dig a little deeper please. He has changed his story on several issues to hoodwink people, including his support for the military and the war.
So glad PopularTech has chimed in
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 10:05 ET by DelsaA voice for Reason. So glad you are here
→ Right Delsa
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 10:07 ET by Cool ArrowIt makes me glad I've got a wheelmouse. Otherwise my shoulder would certainly go out.
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Learn how to use your mouse
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 19:30 ET by PopularTechTry adjusting the scroll speed or learn to click the wheel button and drag and scroll.
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McCain winning the
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 10:16 ET by MidAmericaMcCain winning the Presidency could possibly make the dems even stronger. Neither hillary or obama can govern the way they are saying they will. Unless..... they are willing to set in motion consequences they may not be able to control or even anticipate. Think jimmuh carter and Iran. hillary's socialist state cannot be implemented in just her term of office without sending the economy into freefall. Look at all the hoopla that surrounded the ascension of the dems in Congress in '06. Now they barely stick their heads out of their burrows. When Mr. Bush comes a huntin' critters they all dive underground where they chatter and squeal their defiance. In the same way the MSM is presenting a dem president in the role of savior. That's why a big grin candidate can make a viable run by selling the gullible an empty box he says is full of 'Hope'. Perhaps the only way to wake the country up is to give them one of these 'Gods".
or not. Who knows.
I hope romney can win in California
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 10:22 ET by DelsaDid you see where Berkley has deemed the USMC intruders? Holy crap this is nuts
Leon needs to
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 10:25 ET by DelsaLeon you need to either begin taking your meds again or get off of them?
Which ever it is just DO IT PLEASE
Delsa, 1) I always find
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 10:46 ET by LeonDelsa,
1) I always find it strange when complete strangers make random comments about me. Weird.
2) Is there a specific post that prompted this comment or are you just speaking in general terms?
3) I don't take medicine of any kind.
Leon no disrespect intended
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 11:11 ET by DelsaMy comments are made after reading your comments on this blog. I may be misreading them? But you come off as Party above Principle and as someone who strongly dislikes Romney?
I cannot vote for McCain. Therefore, if he is the Party nominee I will skip that part of my ballot.
If I vote for McCain I would be guilty of helping to distroy this party and the Country and if I vote for hill or obama I'd be guilty of distroying this Country. With that in mind I choose NO GUILT!
Skipping the top of the ticket is a no-brainer
Delsa, I'm decidely not
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 11:18 ET by LeonDelsa,
I'm decidely not party above principle which is the exact reason that I dislike Romney.
He's a life long liberal who switched to a Republican so he could run for President.
So voting for Romney is putting party over principle. In fact, voting for any of the Republican nominees, except for Thompson, would be putting party over principle.
I agree a vote for McCain as a Republican is putting party over principle, but it's the same for all of these guys.
The fact that you all continue to pretend that Romney isn't a manufactured conservative is hilarious to me.
To clarify: I dislike Romney b/c to vote for him is to put PARTY OVER PRINCIPLE.
So yes you have been misreading.
Wrong Leon
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 11:28 ET by DelsaRomney ran as a Republican in Mass on a platform of LOWERING Property taxes. He won because liberals who work for a living want LOW taxes too. Especially RICH LIBERALS.
I think I have your #
Delsa, Exactly. He did
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 12:04 ET by LeonDelsa,
Exactly. He did what he had to do to win. That's the story of his life.
You have my number? Work or cell phone?
He's flip-flopped on every single major social issue.
Sorry Leon - even if it's not obvious to you it's obvious to us
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 11:46 ET by Dee BunkThat you dislike Romney because of his conservative principles. If you were so concerned with flip-flopping then you would spend your time criticizing both Clinton's and you don't. You don't seem to have a problem with McCain's flip flops either.
I'm sure you probably believe you don't like Romney because of principles, but it doesn't Jive with the facts. Your dislike of him is purely emotional. You hate his religion and you hate his conservative stances. The more you talk against him the more conservatives can know they have made the right choice.
Sorry - but it's true.
Dee, 1) What principles
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 12:03 ET by LeonDee,
1) What principles are you talking about? He's not a conservative, never has been. Keep telling yourself he is though if it makes you feel better about sacrificing your principles to vote for him. Don't know many conservatives that donate $$$ to abortion clinics
2) I like McCain and while I admit his straight talk express was a bunch of baloney, I think he's a great leader that does what he believes in in a genuine manner. Romney is just a fake. If you took his face off I'm certain it would look like the inside of my cell phone
3) I strongly dislike the Mormon religion. It's flat out racist as are most Mormons. Furthermore, I'm sickened by the history and current practices involving the abuse of children. Do you know why Mormons practice Polygamy by the way? It's b/c Joseph Smith was married but he wanted to have sex with his teenage cousin. Sooooo, he added polygamy to the religion. Seriously. That is fact. Mormons are child abusing racists.
4) I can't stand the idea that the guy leading the free world would wear magic underwear. It's too weird.
5) I don't hate his conservative stances, I hate the fact that he manufactured them late in life and is now trying to pretend that he's a conservative. Meanwhile his wife is pining for the days when she could openly support abortion.
6) This is all irrelevant anyways b/c McCain has already won the nomination. No contest.
→ Leon
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 12:08 ET by Cool ArrowGive us the link to where his wife said she wants to break free and support abortion.
That and other points are cheap shots.
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Leon - I know plenty of Mormans and they all have one wife
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 12:43 ET by Dee Bunkand are not racist. We have a family in my neighborhood and they come to the neighborhood parties and don't drink but don't judge those of us who do. They never try to push their religion and they are funny nice and completely normal. I've also known quite a few others over time and they have all been very good people.
It's really sad Leon that you can't see how bigoted you are being by condemning him because of his religion. Obama belongs to a black only church and you don't think that is racist.
Many conservatives are pro-choice. I used to be. Most people who are pro-choice are that way because of ignorance. I have much less respect for people like Durbin who flip the other way because once you understand the lies, you can't go back. There is no good reason in the world to be pro-choice with no limitations (like Obama and Clinton) unless you are heartless and in it for the money it brings.
Sorry but I have to run to a meeting so I'll have to argue about this later.
Something I don't hear
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 10:50 ET by Ryan Mc.Something I don't hear anyone talking about at all is that if McCain gets the nomination we will be destroyed in congress. McCain may get some moderates and be competitive in many states but those same moderates and dems who vote McCain will vote democrat in the congressional races in higher numbers. If the conservatives stay home in higher numbers (you know they will) then an already uphill fight for congress becomes that much harder. I predict that the Senate will have 60 dems if McCain is the nominee!!!
Even if McCain won, with a 60 vote dem majority, republicans will have no fillabuster to stop anything! McCain will sign global warming legislation, repeal tax cuts and raise others. This hasn't happened since the 60's. Great Society anyone?
Ryan
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 10:55 ET by candanceConsider McCain's own words on the topic:
"..the Democratic Party is a fine party, and I have no problems with it, in their views and their philosophy."
Still think McCain will not guarantee Hillary's platform?
Candance, I think you
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 11:08 ET by Ryan Mc.Candance, I think you should re-read my post. I'm not sure what you disagree with me about? I am only saying that if McCain is our nominee, then those showing up at the polls will be more liberal/moderate as a group and thus more likely to vote democrat for congress even if they vote McCain. There are twice as many republican challenged seats open and many more will turn democrat with McCain as the nominee since those republicans won't have as many conservatives come out to vote for them as many conservatives will stay home with McCain as the nominee.
I think split ticket voting will be very high amoung men. Even liberal men may recoil at the thought of voting for Hillary but they may have no problem voting for Joe the Dem for congress.
I'm glad Rush and James
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 11:12 ET by bigtimerI'm glad Rush and James Dobson agree with me regarding the flaming RINO McCain.
I for one will never cast my vote for him...ever.
I would vote for anyone including Paul before I would McCain...at least I know exactly what I would get with Paul...he isn't a sell out or a sheep in wolf's clothing like McCain...
I have posted tons of times how important the borders, national security and most of all the appointment of judges and I am throwing in self-dependence on oil within our own country....McCain is no friend of the conservatives when it comes to any of these as far as I am concerned...with the exception of the war on the terrorists...which is important of course, but he is not the only one involved who wants to keep this country safe.
McCain is a cheap person in so many ways in my humble opinion....here is one story that rings true to me.
The talking heads
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 11:20 ET by Ernest T. Bass 08are threatening to sit out the election if McCain is the nominee, or even worse, vote for Hillary. "If you don't elect our guy (Romney), we'll undermine McCain." This is the leadership you get from the REAL conservatives, i.e.: Rush, Hannity, Coulter and Levin. I have lost all respect for these buffoons, and have stopped taking them seriously. BTW, what makes anyone think that McCain or Huckabee backers will show up at the polls to vote for Romney? Rush should be Mitt's running mate seeing that he's been shilling for him for months now.
ETB... Give me a
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 11:30 ET by bigtimerETB...
Give me a break....
Where in the world do you get the idea that Rush has been shilling for Romney for months now?
Eh?
You have links for your proof?
Do you really listen to his show?
Rush
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 12:06 ET by Ernest T. Bass 08doesn't shill like Hewitt, he's more savvy. He doesn't openly endorse Romney, but refuses to criticize Romney's obvious contradictions to his self- described conservatism. Socialized medicine (MittCare), past abortion rights support (even donating to planned parenthood),past gay-rights support, raising fees(read:taxes) while Mass. governor never seem to enter the discussion on his show. McCain and Huckabee are nuked regularly by Rush, sometimes deservedly, for any and all offenses. It's the one-sidedness that galls me. The breaking point was when Rush used a quote from an "anonymous" Huck campaign aide as the green light to begin the attack on Huckabee in December. Coincidentally(yeah right), it came the last day Rush was on the air before the Iowa caucus with Huck leading Romney in the Iowa polls. Like I said Rush is more savvy than to openly endorse Romney, but his silence on Romney's obvious flaws speaks volumes.
Please tell us Ernest
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 11:48 ET by candanceWhere do we draw the line with party loyalty? We banded together for W in 2000 and look where it got us, 8 years later we are right back to McCain. The GOP doesn't care about its voters.
What do we do in another 20 years when the GOP puts up someone like Nancy Pelosi, but the Dems have the new Hugo Chavez to scare us into submission. Where does it end?
Voting for McCain "while holding your nose" does what? Will he get the memo you don't like him? Will you truly be holding his feet to the fire? What are you going to do, call up his house and say "I voted for you but I still think you suck"?
McCain won't care about you voting under duress. All he will see is that he did enough to get your vote and now has a mandate to run the county. You think Arnold feels bad for Californians who held their nose? No, he took their votes with a great big "thanks" and shifted even more to the left as soon as the election was over. No one is holding his feet to any fire.
McCain has lied about Romney to get the lead just like he lied about Bush in 2000. He has changed his story about the war, the military and everything else to hoodwink voters. Putting him in office, no matter how "reluctant" is rewarding him for that behavior and sending a message that Republicans would vote for a monkey.
The problem is
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 12:21 ET by Ernest T. Bass 08that Rush,Hannity,etc. have so narrowly defined the"who is a conservative" definition,that Ronald Reagan himself would be considered a borderline liberal. Reagan signed numerous tax hikes into law as president,as well as amnesty. These actions would disqualify him consideration as a conservative according to talk radio. John McCain is a Reagan conservative. However, he doesn't pass muster with today's experts.
Could you please define
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 13:59 ET by Ryan Mc.Could you please define Reagan conservative for me then Ernest because we are talking a different language here. Reagan took top tax rates from 70 to 28. Did he also agree to close out some deductions as well? Yes, but clearly he was a tax cutter. Don't pretend that Reagan has anything but an exemplary record on taxes. To compare McCain to him is assinine. Reagan took the top rate to 28, while McCain said going down to 35 was too much in 2003. Hard for me to see how that qualifies McCain as a Reagan conservative. The Bush tax cuts took the top rate from 39.6 to 35. A HUGE 4.6%. Reagan loped off 42%. Last time I checked 42% was bigger than 4.6%, and McCain couldn't stomach 4.6%
COME ON! WAKE UP! If you have an opinion, fine but try using a fact once in a while.
"...as well as amnesty"
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 14:34 ET by RJThe comparison is false, Ernest.
In the first place, there are vastly more illegals today than in 1986 (2.7 million, compared to 12 to 21 million). "President Reagan considered it reasonable to adjust the status of what was then a relatively small population..." according to Ed Meese.
In addition, he was promised increased border security and enhanced immigration laws...promises that were not kept.
Now, McCain wants to try a failed policy all over again with potentially much more dire consequences socially and economically.
I agree
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 14:42 ET by Ernest T. Bass 08with all of the sentiment of the Reagan philosophy of cutting taxes. My point is that Reagan, in fact, did raise taxes several times as president. I still consider him to be the father of modern conservatism. The standard applied today by the "experts" of conservatism is not even met by Reagan. If you don't acknowledge that Reagan raised taxes as president, you are the denying facts. There is no perfect candidate, not even RR.
ernest
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 15:32 ET by candanceYou never answered my question. What happens when the choice is Nancy Pelosi or Hugo Chavez? What do we do then?
What I guess I resent here
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 17:03 ET by Ryan Mc.What I guess I resent here is that you feel the need to bash Reagan in order to defend McCain. To me that shows the bad faith on your part. If McCain was defendable you'd not need to attack a true hero to rehabilitate your own guy. Defend McCain rather than attack Reagan. I think the reason you do it though is that you can't defend McCain or else you'd not stoop to such dishonorable tactics.
ETB is making
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 11:37 ET by DelsaETB is making things up as he goes along. Rush has not clued us in one way or another. We'd all have to guess. I guessed he might be liking Fred as the #1 conservative.
No secret McCain is not an option and i think he may have voted for Romney because Mitt is the last real man standing
If McCain wins nomination
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 11:45 ET by DelsaIf McCain wins nomination he will NOT win the general election and when that happens maybe the republician senate will understand WHY he lost and find a backbone??
Maybe? Just sayin.
Republicans get a backbone?
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 12:44 ET by SouthJersey1953I can only hope and pray that SOMETHING (or someone) will do something so that they grow a spine.
I am sick of Repubs rolling over every time the Dems say anything.
No RINOs in '08
SJ... We do have
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 13:05 ET by bigtimerSJ...
We do have conservatives in Congress with a spine..unfortunately they are in the minority and will never get much attention or be heard, but I thank the Lord for them, or McCain would of had the amnesty bill along with the Z card crammed down this country's throat...his one vote stopped drilling and self dependency here...on and on it goes... years and years of his leftist BS
I originally long ago wanted George Allen for Prez...I wished he wouldn't of let the powers that be along with the msm push him aside with the stupid macaca BS...then there was Fred for my second ray of sunlight...that went dark, so that left Romney for me...and that is as far as I go....I will never vote for McCain...I will vote, but not for him under any circumstances...I have listened to him on the Senate floor for too many years, I have watched him divide us real conservatives with so many issues including some issues related to this war and the terrorists...I have watched his votes...there is tons of info. Romney can use against him if he wants too, he had better get some ads out there and also speak out more and more about all of this...I hope we have the wind to our backs on Tues.
Conservatives in Congress
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 13:09 ET by DelsaYou are so right bigtimer. Conservatives are just out numbered but if you include the southern dems who were elected last time, we have a few more than we think.
We need to add to their numbers where and when ever we can.
Delsa... You are so
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 13:20 ET by bigtimerDelsa...
You are so right...we have 21 or 22 seats in the Senate that have to be filled or some reelected, the House is in dire need of more conservatives too...I don't think we can any way shape or form regain power in either, but we need all we can get until we do...
Tammy Bruce/McCain, Not Romney, Supported Iraq Benchmarks
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 12:27 ET by Jack BauerTammy Bruce has a great scoop.
Excellent info.
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 12:33 ET by bigtimerExcellent info. Jack...
McCain is no different than Hillary when it comes to the coverage in the msm...they intentionally do absolutely zilch for digging into his record or what he has said in the past with numerous things, including on how he votes...he gets away with lying constantly...
The agenda is about completed.
I despise the flaming RINO.
now, can we get the MSM to report this?
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 12:46 ET by SouthJersey1953This news should be all over the MSM....anyone wanna take any bets?
No RINOs in '08
Note to Jack and Tammy:
Sat, 02/02/2008 - 08:05 ET by RovinNote to Jack and Tammy: Benchmarks ARE NOT timelines.
Both sides of the isle pressed the Iraqis to get their national government to pass key legislation to reconcile with all sects. The de-bathafication was a biggie recently passed.
Rovin
You mean benchmarks don't
Sat, 02/02/2008 - 08:25 ET by Jack BauerYou mean benchmarks don't have timelines as part of the checking. Wow. Never knew that!
Doesn't that make them benchsuggestions?
I love Tammy
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 13:06 ET by DelsaI just love Tammy. She says it like it is.
Also the news is all over how much the candidates raised. Well here is the real story. Forget what Mitt added to his campaign HE raised over $9 milo and the "front runner" McAmnesty raised just over $3 mil.
WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU FOLKS?
McCain Can't Win Without Rush, Dobson....
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 13:43 ET by vrwc13...ah the VRWC folks...
...and one of them (me, #13) says: a steak dinner in Houston (limit first 6 takers, so when I win I can take the whole family! p.s. the two little ones not counted) that Huckabee will have more delegates after Super Tuesday (Feb 5th 2008) than Romney!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/republican_delega...
"In the race for the Republican Presidential Nomination, it’s John McCain at 30%, Mitt Romney with 28% support, and Mike Huckabee at 21%"
http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/daily...
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"Faith doesn't just influence me. It really defines me. I don't have to wake up every day wondering what do I need to believe," Huckabee says in the ad. "Let us never sacrifice our principles for anybody's politics. Not now, not ever."