How is John McCain not a conservative? Let Joe Scarborough count the ways. The Morning Joe host thundered out a bill of particulars today that was nothing less than an indictment of McCain's lack of conservative credentials.
It was Mika Brzezinski's reference to Bob Novak's column of today, questioning McCain's conservatism, that sparked Scarborough's outburst.
View video here.
JOE SCARBOROUGH: Let me tell you what a conservative is not:
- A conservative is not a man that calls tax cuts that George Bush passed that revived the economy "tax cuts for the rich." That is not a conservative.
- A conservative is not a man who is one of two Republicans standing alone in Washington, DC voting against those tax cuts that every other Republican supported in Washington, DC. That is not a conservative.
- A conservative is not a man that teams up with Teddy Kennedy to produce a bill that is nothing short of amnesty that would allow 12 million illegal immigrants to attain legal status the day after John McCain's bill and Ted Kennedy's bill becomes law. That is not a conservative.
- A conservative is not somebody that goes on Tim Russert's show a couple of weeks ago and says if that amnesty bill that would allow 12 million illegal immigrants to become citizens [legal residents] the next day, he does not go on that show and say "yes, I would sign that bill, but don't worry, it's not going to come to my desk." That is not a conservative.
- A conservative is not a man who says he wants to increase taxes maybe 50 cents per gallon on the American people, trying to push through a bill that the rest of the world won't sign onto. That is not a conservative.
Concluded Scarborough: "I could go on forever and ever."
Note: a chippy exchange between Joe and Mika preceded Joe's philippic. Shtick or real sparks? You be the judge from the transcript and the tape.
SCARBOROUGH: So we have answered the question, is John McCain a conservative. No, no, again I say no.MIKA BRZEZINSKI: Well now.
SCARBOROUGH: What do you mean, "well now"?
BRZEZINSKI: I just think you over-modulated a little bit. But that's OK, we tone it down, we straighten up and we move on.
SCARBOROUGH: OK Mika, because you really do know what a conservative is. I won't try to tell you who a liberal is, because you've got that one cornered.
BRZEZINSKI: Yeah, OK, you know what? I totally resent that, and it's actually wrong. But OK, go ahead.
SCARBOROUGH: Well Mika, if you continue to try to tell me what a conservative is --
BRZEZINSKI: I'm not trying to tell you what a conservative is.
SCARBOROUGH: Alright, you're interrupting me every three seconds also. Let me tell you. John McCain, because you brought it up, because you suggested I do not know what a conservative is, let me tell you what a conservative is not.
Aside: I can hear some of our readers already: "Scarborough should know what a conservative is not because he isn't one." This column has often documented the ways that Joe has ingratiated himself with liberal guests. But in correspondence with this NewsBuster, Scarborough has challenged people to identify one policy position he has changed since his days as a conservative member of Congress.
AllahPundit's take: "What’s most impressive is how long, yet still incomplete, the list of grievances is and how effortlessly [Scarborough] calls it up from memory. A testament, surely, to how deeply McCain’s betrayals have seeped into the conservative consciousness"
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.
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oh im a liberal and that kind of talk
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 08:24 ET by audio357is taboo. You cant tell them that.. they resent being called a liberal... and mccain is in no way a conservative.. i really think rush is right.. my wife said this am (she wanted rudy) that she was going on rudys website to tell him how upset she was that he endorsed senator mccain and said... im not even going to vote if its mccain for the repubs... and shes not crazy into politcs as much as me. The media think mccain is the darling.. thats enough for me not to like him.. sorry.. and joe was right here.. all those reasons plus a bunch bunch more.
Wife also said we need to move some of our money around to protect it from obama or hillary since they are going to be the next prez... if mccain is the candidate.. Its depressing and sickening seeing the excitement of the media for mccain and obama/hillary.. gross almost.. oh well is all i can say.. move your money around into safe from the govt entities... save yourself is how we feel at least...
honesty is the best policy... unless your running for office.
"im not even going to vote if its mccain for the repubs"
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 02:17 ET by fastfood"im not even going to vote if its mccain for the repubs"
I hope everyone does vote. Or we might just end up with MCcain.
My favorite:
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 08:30 ET by motherbeltMy favorite:
A conservative is not somebody that goes on Tim Russert's show a couple
of weeks ago and says if that amnesty bill that would allow 12 million
illegal immigrants to become citizens [legal residents] the next day,
he does not go on that show and say "yes, I would sign that bill, but
don't worry, it's not going to come to my desk."
Exactly, Joe! I can't believe McCain says he would sign it, but don't worry, they won't let me.
What the heck is THAT about?
We don't need an "even Republican" in the White House.
I am talking to everyone I know about Romney, and encouraging them to vote for him.
Joe's OK
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 08:30 ET by c5thenBecause of his position as a host (or co-host) of a TV show, he has to tone some of his rhetoric down a bit and make nice with the liberals whom he shares the table with and interviews. That doesn't mean he has changed his positions and ideals. I wish he would be a little more forceful in pointing out the hypocrisy and flaws in the liberal plans and ideas, but on a network like MSNBC that would almost certaintly get him fired and then the conservatives would lose another voice.
All conservatives should take note of this VERY carefully. If we allow the liberal MSM to select the GOP candidate, then the battle is already lost and we will for years and years to come have the choice of a moderate liberal like McCain or an extreme liberal like Clinton or Obama.
Remember that choosing the lesser of two evils is still a choice for evil. (leon, it's a figure of speach, I'm not actually calling liberals "evil').
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
I disagree... I don't mind
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 08:35 ET by motherbeltI disagree... I don't mind him being polite, but I don't think he should modulate or tone down his views.
And if we allow a network to dictate the views of their hosts, then the battle is lost before it's begun.
They knew Joe Scarborough's views when they hired him. If they wanted a mushmouth they could have found one. I, for one, am disappointed in Joe when he seems to let liberals sway him.
Gee, co-operation from the MSM
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 08:33 ET by JayTeeIS this a Romney attack ad ? Or is the MSM co-operating with the Conservatives and taking Rush L.'s side ?
The MSM looking at the facts and helping out....but in reality, they just Identified a Conservative Target (McCain), and attacked as usual.
Stimulis: Congress and the president are now agreed on remedies that will not work, expending money they do not have, to fix a problem that may not exist. Steve Chapman
oh Mika, what wont you say?
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 08:44 ET by dronetekWho do people like Mika think their fooling? Does she really think anyone believes shes not a raving liberal? It reminds me of a lot of people on MSNBC who try to cover up the blatently obvious, like Chris Mathews and Olberman.
One other thing, am I the only one who is getting sick of seeing those arrogent faces she constantly making? The most painful thing about it is she has no idea that shes a complete moron. Yeah Mika, There are tons of conservative watching the show and they are all guessing where you stand politcally.
Guessing????? MSM -
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 09:01 ET by pbanks7Guessing?????
MSM - shaping all the perceptions you need to believe.
Just turn it off
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 09:56 ET by pilsenerI really do applaud the work of Newsbusters who watch & report on Olbermann, The View, et. al., so the rest of us don't have to.
Because of Newsbusters, the rest of us can choose not to watch Morning Joe, Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, and friends. I see no reason to ever leave the TV on while Mika or David Shuster or Keith Olbermann illustrate their completely biased ignorance. Just turn it off, dronetek.
There they go again
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 08:40 ET by hal50I love when liberals deny & "resent" the liberal tag when applied to them. It is quite revealing
Right, hal. You never hear
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 08:51 ET by motherbeltRight, hal. You never hear a conservative resent being called on, or denying it. Why is that, I wonder?
I was glad to see Joe stand up for conservative principles this AM.
mb, I don't think they mind
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 12:10 ET by Chris Normanmb,
I don't think they mind being called "conservative", but once they get into Congress (especially the Senate), a lot of "conservatives" sure don't act like they want to be conservatives...
Hello! All this is a simple
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 08:53 ET by SchnikeysHello! All this is a simple matter of the MSM getting comfortable after McCain won Florida!
They know McCain is not supported by many Republicans and is a weak candidate.
They know how powerful a Florida win is.
They simply think that McCain is the Republican nominee, and all they're doing is starting their destruction of him just a wee bit early, because they have a good feeling that he'll be the nominee. They're letting people like Scarborough out of his cage a bit because they feel slightly more at ease, and they are aware of the impending destruction of the Republican race for presidency if McCain is nominated.
We are seeing what is going to come if he is the nominee. Hopefully they are just miscalculating, and Super Tuesday will offer more positive results for conservatives and the GOP. Take it as a warning. Vote Romney instead.
Mc Cain the Democrat &MSM favorite
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 23:17 ET by merlin61Did anyone watch the Schwarznegger and Rudy
and Mc Cain show today? Mc Cain sounded like
Al Gore regarding global warming and all three of
them were promoting some energy company.
That sounded an alarm bell to me about politicians
backing a company even before Mc Cain is
eleeted, what's that all about?
Strategery? The louder you scream the faster we go!
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 09:05 ET by CrashHave any of you noticed that the more "rips" McCain gets, the higher his numbers go? This leads me to wonder if these "attacks" are part of the game plan.
Maybe Joe finally got the memo about Juan "Mexico First" McCain
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 09:05 ET by PopularTechOpen borders advocate Juan Hernandez has joined the McCain campaign (HotAir)
Juan Hernandez, McCain Advisor: Mexico First! (Video) (4min)
Joe knows Juan McCain will bring the Amnesty:
McCain Would Sign Amnesty Bill as President (Video)
Vote Romney on Super Tuesday:
Tom Tancredo Endorses Mitt Romney (FOXNews)
Romney on Illegal Immigration (Video) (2min)
Romney vs Huckabee on Illegal Immigration (Video) (5min)
Romney Allows Massachusetts State Troopers to Detain Illegals (FOXNews)
Romney Blasts Immigration Deal (NewsMax)
Romney Vetoes In-State Tuition for Illegals (The Boston Globe)
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I think Scarborough probably knows what a jerk McCain is
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 09:07 ET by Dee Bunkthrough first hand experience. Scarborough can't just ask people to name one policy position that he has changed. He's not in Congress anymore. He doesn't have votes anymore.
Scarborough is a much nicer guy than McCain but he's still a RINO. The easiest way to see a RINO is that they criticize Republicans and Scarborough does it all the time. If you are going to criticize Republicans then it better be for not being conservative and your criticism should always be in the context that it's better than what some liberal is doing.
People like Scarborough and McCain like to say they are straight talkers but there is nothing straight about agreeing with a Democrat who criticizes a Republican without saying - hey I agree but who are you to talk?
The McKeating 1/5th
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 09:36 ET by CrashMcCain has so much baggage, surely he'd lose in a national election. He was so tempted by taking questionable funds, along with four other Senators with D's after their names, that he was compelled to stop anyone who had a corrupt bone in their body. We know that this was mere folly in an attempt by McCain to atone for his wicked past.
Today, corruption still haunts the Congressional halls and even those with billionaire spouses couldn't "buy" an election.
ripping McCain
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 09:08 ET by DelsaGet rid of Huckabee. Finally Joe makes some sense. Joe asked Huck why he did not call mccain out on his liberal stances. Huck answered that although he did not agree with mccain, he respected his stands?? What?
He said he attacks Romney because he is not who he says he is and Mccain IS who he says he is? I think Huck should be institutionalized with Britney Spears........
Get everyone you know to
Looks like he needs to get
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 09:15 ET by SchnikeysLooks like he needs to get the memo on Romney too, then.
the huckster
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 09:28 ET by dronetekThe huckster's answer to Scarbrough was hilarious!
Scarbrough: Why dont you hold Mccain to same standards
Hucketer: Uhh, well thats because Romney said he was a life long hunter!
Are you kidding me?
Huckabee's supporters
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:30 ET by candancePeople who like Huckabee should really take a hard look at this and think about what their guy is doing. Why is he being so nice to McCain but not Romney? Could it be that Romney is in his way, sucking up conservative votes that are "supposed" to be his? Could it be that Huck is hoping for a cabinet position?
Or it be all of the above?
If Huck was a real Christian he'd call out everyone regardless of where they stood in the polls. I don't want a Christian like that representing me.
Well
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 09:16 ET by funkdomeMcCain is not as conservative as Romney, but just barely.
He is much more conservative than Hillary or Obama though. McCain can beat them. Romney can not.
Please Juan "Mexico First" McCain will lose to Hillary BAD.
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 09:25 ET by PopularTechJuan McAmnesty will lose the illegal immigration vote, the social conservative vote, the female vote, the economic conservatives who do research ect...
Does this kindergarten crap work with the people you talk to. McCain can beat Hillary but Romney cannot? Why because you keep looking at head to head polls before the primaries are done, where the votes are split between candidates?
Romney can beat Hillary or Obama. Juan McCain will lose the female vote and I will make sure of it:
Betrayal, deceit, corruption and John McCain (The U.S. Veteran Dispatch)
"While still married to Carol, McCain began an adulterous relationship with Cindy. He married Cindy in May 1980 - just a month after dumping his crippled wife and securing a divorce."
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Clever
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 09:27 ET by funkdomeOoooh a refugee from the Huff Post called him Juan McAmnesty! What a compelling argument!!
You sure changed my mind with your silly name calling! Kudos to you!
?
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 09:30 ET by dronetekIf the name is all you got from that, than youre missing the point.
LOL
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 09:37 ET by funkdomeNo, I also got that you were personally going to lose McCain the womens' vote, which is just silly.
You say that Romney can win. Polling says something very different:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
Aggregate polls show Romney losing to both Clinton and Obama by double digits. Same polls show McCain narrowly beating both.
I am not so foolish as to think there is no differnce between a McCain presidency and a Obama presidency. Seems the rigid partisans here feel otherwise.
Polls have a way of
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 09:42 ET by SchnikeysPolls have a way of changing, especially when they're as close as 1% (as one of them implies). See Dukakis' and Kerry's showings in polls during their respective campaigns, post-primary. Both of those individuals have one thing in common, regarding the outcome of the presidential contests in which they were involved.
Clueless about Polls
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 09:45 ET by PopularTechHead to Head polls are meaningless before the primaries are over! Can you not comprehend that? The votes are split between candidates and only the desperate McCain supporters who are in utter fear of Hillary are voting overwhelmingly for him.
Hillary Fear Voters are backing McCain NOT conservatives.
With Edwards dropping out these polls go further in McCain's favor.
So apparently you want to pay more for all your energy costs, want amnesty and want to close Gitmo.
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Polls also showed Obama
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 09:48 ET by MassConservativePolls also showed Obama ahead in New Hampshire, McCain ahead in Michigan, etc, etc. If you are trusting in any of these polls at this point you are either very naive or a Democrat.
What we have not seen yet is Romney one-on-one vs. either Obama or Clinton. I suspect in a debate he could mop the floor with either of them (especially Obama). I think McCain demonstrated last night that he can be easily flustered and taken off his game. Clinton would go for the jugglar and destroy him in a debate.
"There are scandals that need to be addressed. Republicans address them, Democrats re-elect them." - Tom Delay
Whereas Romney could take
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 09:50 ET by SchnikeysWhereas Romney could take both Obama and Hillary by the jugular and mop the floor with them at the same time, if he wanted.
Polls
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 09:59 ET by funkdomeNone of the polls you mentioned showed the double digit disparity as above. I agree that polls are flawed, but they still give an indication of national feel. Why start out with a candidate who is in a hole before the media even focus all of their hate on him?
I agree that Romney's stated positions are gnerally closer to the conservative line.However, he has gotten way more conservative after he decided to run for President. I like Romney, but I can't tell how much of his positions are genuine and how many are just pandering to guys like Rush.
Perhaps you should take a
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:04 ET by SchnikeysPerhaps you should take a look at one of user PopularTech's pro-Romney posts, if you haven't already. :)
→ Don't worry Funkdome
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:05 ET by Cool ArrowSpend enough time around here and soon you'll be nodding your okey-doke head like all the front row tent revival zombies.
Not because you'll necessarily agree, it's just the allure of the getalong gang.
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Clueless about Polls
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:12 ET by PopularTechThose same polls showed Rudy beating Hillary ect.. The Head to Head polls before the primaries are over are useless and propaganda for the MSM's chosen front runner. If you cannot understand this simple logic then I cannot help you.
Every position is genuine except his vocal change on abortion, he has no pro-choice voting record.
I've done the research on him and everytime someone brings something up about him it is either a lie or an exaggeration.
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Right
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:23 ET by funkdomeRight. I don't share your views so I must not "understand" and I am "lying" or "exaggerating".
You think you are the only person who has done his research? Spare me your arrogance.
You clearly have not done any research
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:35 ET by PopularTechYou keep repeating the same BS and don't provide any facts where I have. Juan "Mexico First" McCain has shown his true colors.
Don't worry I understand all those who cheat on their wives stick together.
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Cheating on wife?
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:50 ET by funkdomeThat's how you are gonna choose your candidate? If that is part of what makes you "informed" then I will be content to be uninformed.
I guess you hate Newt, Bob Dole, Bush Sr, Eisenhower, Bob Dole, Limbaugh, and Henry Hyde too. I don't, but you must.
You said you couldn't tell
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:38 ET by SchnikeysYou said you couldn't tell how genuine Romney was being, so I suggested that you look at one of PopTech's posts regarding Romney because he puts forth a considerable wealth of info on Romney in those posts, which may be able to answer your question a little better. Exactly what allures you to McCain aside from the fact that he is a war hero?
Well
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:45 ET by funkdomeSchnikeys (or PopTech or whatever you are choosing to post under at the moment).
As much as I am impressed with your cutting and pasting from Romney's site, excuse me if I use my own brain.
I think foreign policy is our top priority. Romney has no foreign policy experience or military background.
I prefer Romney on the economy, but still think McCain is a small-government, pro-business type.
Both of them are flawed social conservatives.
At the end of the day, McCain has much greater appeal among moderates and hence has a better chance to win. That is why he is my choice.
To set the record straight,
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:52 ET by SchnikeysTo set the record straight, I'm not PopTech. Some good that will do, but I should put it out there anyway. There is no point in using multiple screennames.
Do you smoke weed?
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:54 ET by PopularTechSo now you are lying that I post under multiple accounts? Any admin here can confirm this is not true. The desperation of some people has no bounds.
I did not cut and paste from Romney's site, I actually linked to the source and even listed it next to the link.
Yeah McCain is pro-business when he has no business experience, votes against tax cuts for those businesses but yeah he is pro-business. Keep smoking the weed.
It is obvious you want to appeal to moderates and are not a conservative at least you now admit it.
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desperation
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:02 ET by funkdomeYeah, if I really cared about your opinion I would be desperate.
Fortunately, I care about as much about the opinion of those who have McCain Derangement Syndrome as I do those who have Bush Derangement Syndrome. Apparently you guys have a lot in common: intolerance, name calling, nastiness, etc.
I mean really. You sound like a liberal partisan talking about Bush. Is it possible for you to make a case for the guy you like without demonizing everyone else? That's what liberals do and that is what you do.
You should only care about the facts
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:15 ET by PopularTechYou should only care about the facts but it would be convienent to not talk about Juan "Mexico First" McCain for his campaign. That way no one will know about him cheating on his crippled wife, voting against the Bush tax cuts, wanting Amnesty for illegals, having Juan "Mexico First" Hernandez on his campaign or being for Carbon Taxes - I mean "Cap and Trade".
The facts about Juan "Mexico First" McCain no one should see.
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→ Facts?
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:25 ET by Cool ArrowRomney raised taxes by $730 million in his 4 year tenure as Mass. Governor.
Romney introduced and signed into law Socialized Healthcare in Mass.
Romney hooked up the poor in Mass. to 50 buck abortions.
Now watch PopTech rationalize each of these Liberal actions.
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Cool Arrow back to the same Lies about Romney
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:44 ET by PopularTechYou are desperate. You are repeating Juan "Mexico First" McCain talking points. It is really sad when all you got are lies.
Abortion:
Romney never pushed for taxpayer funding for abortions. The state law he signed left decisions about what should be covered to an independent body, the Commonwealth Connector. It was that body, not Romney, that ruled that abortions would be covered.
In truth, the state had little choice but to cover abortions. The state Supreme Court had ruled in 1980 that the Massachusetts Constitution confers on Massachusetts women an even broader right to abortion than does the U.S. Constitution. It restated in a 1997 decision that the state must pay for medically necessary abortions if it pays for all other medically necessary procedures including services in connection with childbirth.
It is possible to argue that Romney might have put up a public fight to narrow the abortion coverage had he chosen to do so, or that the Commonwealth Connector decided to cover more than is "medically necessary." But it is simply false for McCain to claim that "Romney provided taxpayer funded abortions" when taxpayers had been ordered by the courts to pay for them long before Romney took office.
Please provide the document that Romney signed that says he endorsed $50 abortions.
Taxes:
Romney increased fees amounted to $260 million a year, and elimination of corporate tax "loopholes" brought in another $174 million a year. He never raised taxes.
Health Care:
Romney's Health Care coverage was not a government funded single payer (socialized) system, it was a free market solution for comprehensive coverage. Not to mention the final plan that was enacted was not his final plan:
The Massachusetts legislature made a number of changes to Governor Romney's original Health Care proposal.
Romney Vetoed Eight Sections of the Health Care Legislation, including:
- Romney Vetoed providing dental benefits to poor residents on the Medicaid program
- Romney Vetoed providing health coverage to senior and disabled legal immigrants not eligible for federal Medicaid
- Romney Vetoed expanding MassHealth (Medicaid) coverage to low-income children
- Romney Vetoed restoring funding for public health programs
- Romney Vetoed adding a provision charging firms with 11 or more workers
that do not provide "fair and reasonable" health coverage to their
workers
All Eight Vetoes Were Overturned
The legislature also rejected Governor Romney's proposal to permit even higher-deductible, lower benefit health plans.
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→ Fine PopTech
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:50 ET by Cool ArrowYour spin on the facts was predicted. But it's still spin of the facts filtered through your prism.
All I did was demonstrate you have a biased way of filtering facts.
Wasn't aiming for anything more.
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No Spin just Reality
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 12:03 ET by PopularTechIt is really dishonest to keep repeating that Romney wanted to $50 state funded abortions or lie about him raising taxes $700 million or that his health care plan was socialist when you can buy your own care from the free market insurance company you want. The only one distorting anything is you.
You just demonstrated that you have no integrity and will resort to propaganda.
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PopTech
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:40 ET by candanceIt's a simple fact that the MSM promotes polls showing the Republican on top. The only way for them to secure a lib on the GOP ticket is to convince voters he can beat the other guy. It fires up the Fear Of Hillary crowd and gives them hoping of winning, which causes them too attack any Republican who doesn't like the nominee.
But...but...you don't understand! He can beat a Democrat! He can! He can!
Then the scandals and flip flops are suddenly discovered and the casual voters who don't read NB decide not to vote for him.
Candace Exactly
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:58 ET by PopularTechThese head to head polls only scare the anti-hillary Republicans not Conservatives.
If you do not get a conservative in office nothing will change and with Juan you will get Amnesty, Gitmo closed and Carbon Taxes. Wow I am so excited to vote for Juan "Mexico First" McCain.
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funky, I hate to rain on your parade here,
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 14:59 ET by R D HelmI hate to rain on your parade here, but the reason the MSM is so supportive of McClinton is so that, in the event he should when the nomination, they can all join together in tearing him down.
I imagine that most of the negative news copy has already been written, and the revealing video segments have been made, and are now loaded up and ready to go.
McClinton hasn't GOT a chance in the GE.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe
you're right RD Helm
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 15:37 ET by candanceBy the time the Clinton machine is through with him you'll see his poll numbers cut in half, and when the crap hits the fan there won't be anyone willing to defend McCain. Limbaugh hates him. Ann Coulter hates him. James Dobson hates him. Jason Lewis has officially turned on him and Michelle Malkin has all but publicly said it. The GOP establishment will prop him up, but all influencial people on the right will be sitting back saying "I told you so."
With no one on the radio or the blogosphere defending him, his support will slip away and even the ABC voters will only be endorsing him half-heartedly.
Bush barely beat Al Gore in 2000 even with the entire GOP on his side and Ralph Nader splitting the liberal vote. McCain is not nearly as likeable and doesn't have a chance. Bob Dole Volume II.
Everyone is acting like
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 09:49 ET by mattmEveryone is acting like McCainiac already won. He didn't. He only won Florida because the Dems had no delegates so they crossed over and voted him in.
I know the pundits aren't talking about this, but it has to be at least a stron possibility. Everyone know the dems want McCain to run against because they know how hated he is by conservatives. It only makes sens for them to sabotage the GOP primary...
Romney could pull it off on Super Tuesday... I just hope he doesn't drop out before the convention. Not that he's the best either, but at least he's not a Washington insider, and he has never actually betrayed his own Party's conservative base.
If this turns out to be the RNC Establishment coronation of John McCainiac, I will be voting Lebertarian this year.
Hate?
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:02 ET by funkdome"Everyone know the dems want McCain to run against because they know how hated he is by conservatives."
No, he is hated by some conservatives. I am a conservative and I respect him and his service to our country. I question the mindset of any conservative who "hates" a war hero because he has a different view on immigration.
I thought this was a site about media bias. When did it become a place to judge how "true" a conservative is?
Yes Hated by INFORMED CONSERVATIVES
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:15 ET by PopularTechWhich apparently is not you. The only tax relief I have received in ages I got from the tax cuts that idiot voted against! He doesn't just want amnesty he wants to jack up your energy costs! So apparently you are another brainwashed global warming convert who really thinks the debate is about being good to the environment and being against pollution.
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Yep
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:25 ET by funkdomeGee, here I thought I was a conservative. Fortunately for me, PopTech is here to tell me I'm not.
New rules people: a conservative is someone who agrees with PopTech. Those who do not are not conservative. That is all.
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Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:33 ET by Cool ArrowSorry, but that's not a new rule. But it is the reason we are so out of touch with the electorate at large.
You're not being challenged, you're being pigeonholed.
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Maybe you can lie about me some more
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:36 ET by PopularTechMaybe you can lie about me some more, it worked well for you before. You cannot argue facts which is what I got.
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Facts?
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:39 ET by funkdomeNo. You have opinions and you demonize anyone who doesn't share them as not a "real" conservative.
We all have facts, but apparently some of us come to different conclusions. Your arrogance is laughable.
Is that more Juan "Mexico First" McCain Straight Talk?
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:46 ET by PopularTechAll I provide are lists of facts over and over and over.
Get all your Juan "Mexico First" McCain facts right here.
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Who cares
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:52 ET by funkdomeLook, you have repeated the same stupid post several times now.
Nice name-calling. It's really impressive.
Obviously you don't care
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:01 ET by PopularTechObviously you don't care about facts. Just that Juan "Mexico First" McCain served in Vietnam and was a POW and is not Hillary. I mean you really convinced me now.
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LOL
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:05 ET by funkdomePopTech said:
"Me conservative. You not! Me hate McCain. Me smart. You dumb. Me hate McCain. Juan McCain!!!!"
Your arguments are overwhelming me
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:09 ET by PopularTechI think I will vote for Juan "Mexico First" McCain now. Your argument convinced me!
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Thanks for the heads up
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:37 ET by funkdomePopTech's rhetoric is that of a HuffPost blogger, albeit with the names changed.
It is lame there and it is equally lame here.
The Facts about Juan "Mexico First" McCain Hurt I know
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:42 ET by PopularTechYou can't argue facts so you attempt to compare me to the Huffington Post, that is the same dishonest tactics Huckasuck supporters tried. Maybe you should go back to your he is better than Hillary crap for the uninformed.
John McCain: The Democrats' Favorite Republican (Video) (1min)
"I believe my party has gone astray. I think the Democratic Party is a fine party, and I have no problems with it, in their views and their philosophy." - John McCain
McCain Calls Conservative Leaders 'Agents of Intolerance' (The Wall Street Journal)
"Neither party should be defined by pandering to the outer reaches of American politics and the agents of intolerance, whether ... on the left, or Pat
Robertson or Jerry Falwell on the right." - John McCain
McCain's Age (Townhall)
Age: 71
- McCain graduated 894th out of 899 in his class at the United States Naval Academy
Betrayal, deceit, corruption and John McCain (The U.S. Veteran Dispatch)
"While still married to Carol, McCain began an adulterous relationship with Cindy. He married Cindy in May 1980 - just a month after dumping his crippled wife and securing a divorce."
John McCain: The Geraldo Rivera Republican (Human Events)
McCain: I'll Respect Hillary (NewsMax)
"I Have No Doubt That Senator Clinton Would Make A Good President." - John McCain
The Real McCain Record (National Review Online)
Abortion:
John McCain Supports Embryonic Stem Cell Research (Audio)
McCain Softens Abortion Stand (The Washington Post)
"But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations." - John McCain
Anger Issues:
Andy Card: I Have Seen John McCain's Anger (NewsMax)
John McCain: I Have Anger Issues (NewsMax)
John McCain's Temper Preceded Vietnam (NewsMax)
McCain Goes Nuts Near Senate Floor (NewsMax)
McCain's Out-of-Control Anger: Does He Have the Temperament to Be President? (NewsMax)
Vanity Fair Tiptoes Around McCain's Explosive Temper (NewsMax)
Endorsements:
Juan Hernandez, Open borders Advocate Endorses McCain (HotAir)
Republicans for Al Gore (Environmental Protection) Endorses McCain (Press Release)
The New York Times Endorses John McCain and Clinton (Reuters)
Foreign Policy:
McCain considers setting benchmarks for Iraqis (Arizona Daily Star)
McCain falls asleep during the State of the Union Address (Video)
McCain: No 'Torture' for 9/11 Mastermind (NewsMax)
McCain to Close Gitmo: "The first day I am President" (Video)
McCain: Torture Worked on Me (NewsMax)
Global Warming:
McCain and Lieberman Push for New Anti-Global Warming Legislation (The National Center for Public Policy Research)
Senators McCain and Lieberman Propose Energy Tax (The National Center for Public Policy Research)
"No drilling in ANWR, nor in the Everglades, nor off the coast of Florida... To think that drilling in ANWR is the solution to our incredible energy needs is frankly, is not keeping in the reality of what's there, and what it would take to get it out." - John McCain
"I always have a glass of ethanol before breakfast every morning" - John McCain
Illegal Immigration:
Open borders advocate Juan Hernandez has joined the McCain campaign (HotAir)
Juan Hernandez, McCain Advisor: Mexico First! (Video) (4min)
McCain Would Sign Amnesty Bill as President (Video)
John McCain gets a 'D' on his Immigration Voting Report Card (Americans for Better Immigration)
- McCain favors business lobbyists’ desires for foreign workers vs. protecting American workers’ wages and jobs
- McCain’s hopes of giving millions amnesty will saddle American taxpayers with huge costs of $20,000 per illegal per year
- McCain has taken the pro-amnesty position in nearly two dozen votes
- McCain only promises to make 2 million of the 12-20 million illegal aliens go home
John McCain Praises Pro-illegal Protests (NewsMax)
McCain aide touts 'Mexico first' policy (WorldNetDaily)
McCain: "Americans Will Not Pick Lettuce for $50 an Hour" (AFL-CIO)
McCain called plan 'amnesty' in 2003 (WorldNetDaily)
"I think we can set up a program where amnesty is extended to a certain number of people, Amnesty has to be an important part..." - John McCain, 2003
McCain: U.S. Should Welcome Illegal Immigrants (FOXNews)
McCain Voted For Illegal Immigrants To Collect Social Security (UC Daily News)
Michigan Crowd Boos McCain On Illegal Immigration (Video) (1min)
U.S. Border Patrol Agents Angry with McCain (NewsMax)
Marriage:
Christian Leader James Dobson says 'no way' to McCain candidacy (WorldNetDaily)
"I think that gay marriage should be allowed if there's a ceremony kind of thing, if you wanna call it that. I don't have any problem with that." - John McCain
McCain: Same-sex marriage ban is un-Republican (CNN)
Taxes:
"I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated." - John McCain
McCain: For and Against Tax Cuts (Video)
McCain Boasts That He Voted Against The Bush Tax Cuts (Video)
McCain Would Vote Against Tax Cuts Again (The Club for Growth)
- McCain sponsored and voted for an enormous 282% tax increase on cigarettes in 1998
- McCain was one of only two Republican to vote against the $1.35 trillion tax cut in 2001
- McCain was one of only two Republicans to twice vote against permanent repeal of the death tax in 2002
- McCain was one of only three Republican to twice vote against the $350 billion tax cut in 2003
McCain’s Costly Tax on Energy (National Review Online)
- The EPA Estimates Sen. McCain's Plan Would Hike Gas Taxes By 68 Cents Per Gallon
- The EPA Estimates Sen. McCain's Plan Would Reduce United States GDP By As Much As $5.2 Trillion
McCain Rejects Anti-Tax Pledge (CNSNews)
Veterans:
McCain Can't Buy His Way Out of Votes Against Funding for Veterans
- McCain Voted Against $19 Billion for Military Hospitals
- McCain Voted Against Amendment to Provide $2.8 Billion For Veterans' Medical Care
- McCain Voted Against 2005 Amendment to Provide Guaranteed Funding Stream for Veterans' Health Care
- McCain Voted Against Establishing $1 Billion Trust Fund to Provide Improvements to Military and Veterans' Health Facilities
- McCain Voted Against Adding $1.5 billion to Veterans' Medical Services in FY 2007 by Closing Corporate Tax Loopholes
- McCain Voted Against Mandatory Funding of $6.9 Billion in FY 2007 and $104 Billion Over Five Years for Veterans' Health Care
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→ Be strong funkdome
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:44 ET by Cool ArrowYou'll notice he jumps straight to "liar". It's always fun when he does that.
Certainly the guy has a following here. But posting a flood of links really doesn't translate into intelligent thought.
Google on a cople of buzzwords, paste them into MSWORD, and voilla! You can be a PopTech too.
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Now you are lying
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:49 ET by PopularTechFirst you tried to lie about me calling all veterans suckers and now are lying that I google buzzwords and use Microsoft Word. I research issues better than you and get the facts you are in denial of and I do not use Microsoft Word.
I call someone a liar when they lie. Can't handle the "Straight Talk"?
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→ Great PopTech
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:12 ET by Cool ArrowYou're always so quick with "liar" it's not even noticed anymore.
I don't care if you use Google or WebFerret. Anyone who wanted to rise to your level of flood links could accomplish it with any number of search engines.
You'll notice you tend to get all the accolades less than 30 minutes after posting a flood? It's obvious most people are just impressed at your bibliographic babble skills.
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Great Indeed
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:20 ET by PopularTechI am quick to call anyone who lies about what I said a liar, yes that is correct. Still don't like the "Straight Talk"?
Webferret? Try to keep up, I said I don't use Microsoft Word not Google. You have no concept of how I do my research so please don't try to guess.
I realize how embarrassing sourced links are that confirm my facts. Facts are funny things and with the Internet Juan "Mexico First" McCain cannot get out of them anymore.
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Yes, but posting a flood of
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:05 ET by SchnikeysYes, but posting a flood of facts or statistics that are reasonably well-backed up is a good way to strongly influence the collective opinion of a candidate. I say it's better for people like PopTech to do it now than for the MSM to wait until after the convention to screw us over.
funkdome, all I see you
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 20:15 ET by Ryan Mc.funkdome, all I see you doing is attacking PopTech saying he is repetitive but its you I find repetitive. He answered your charges and used logic to defeat your charges. Rather than respond like a rational adult you cried that he was a bully. To me it looks like you are Clintonian in making yourself a victim who is thus unassailable. I get very tired of people like you who can't either lose an arguement gracefully or argue facts.
The Sucker McCain Supporters think it is just about Amnesty
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:20 ET by PopularTechUnbelievable. Do McCain supporters look anything up on the candidates they are supporting besides just their campaign site?
Yeah McCain the big war hero because he was a POW. Feeling bad for someone who was a POW does not make him qualified to be President.
Apparently you have been watching the MSM too much. But you keep repeating the same crap over and over again without reading anything I am saying.
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So arrogant
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:29 ET by funkdomeI never said that he deserves to be President because he is a war hero. I said that I do not "hate" this war hero, as you do.
You keep repeating the same crap over and over again without reading anything I am saying.
Look, we disagree. Get over it. Stop acting like an angry liberal and demonizing any who don't share your narrow views.
Propaganda
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:02 ET by PopularTechYou are attempting to label anyone who doesn't like McCain as hating war heros. That is not an argument, that is a lie. Please stop with the propaganda.
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funkd... I am a
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:43 ET by bigtimerfunkd...
I am a conservative who doesn't hate McCain...I despise him.
He is not a conservative...he is a flaming RINO.
Just because some of us don't agree with you doesn't mean we should keep our mouths either...
Btw...anytime you have the msm in love with a supposed republican bells and whistles ought to go off in your mind IMHO...and the msm has been pushing McCain on us for years, it is pathetic...so is he.
→ bigtimer
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:02 ET by Cool ArrowI don't think funk is asking you to keep quiet. He's reacting predictably to the immediate attack from PopTech when he first posted in this thread.
"Does this kindergarten crap work with the people you talk to".
And it gets progressively worse from there. Before long PT is busy with the namecalling and the flood of links.
I don't find it particularly persuasive, but it's great spectacle for those who like to watch bullies. Before long he's got a whole slew of lackeys to egg him on. And, no, I don't see you as one of them.
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Facts are hard to ignore
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:07 ET by PopularTechFirst of all there is not a single person here I talk to outside of these forums. Calling anyone my lackeys for making up their own minds or having their own positions is insulting to them.
I am well aware Huckasuck supporters are not persuaded with facts I mean links. Anyone rational can read the facts for themselves and make up their own minds.
But people like you want to keep the facts out of this.
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"Slew of lackeys to egg him
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:12 ET by Schnikeys"Slew of lackeys to egg him on"?
Kind of a rough assessment.
→ No, Schnickeys
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:20 ET by Cool ArrowI see from your profile you're new here. After a month or two, reassess your positions and see if maybe you aren't getting a little too enthralled with the herd mentality.
Had you come into this chat with anything kind to say about McCain, your independent thought would have been slapped down immediately.
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Lack of facted back positions usually are
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:24 ET by PopularTechLack of facted backed positions usually are slapped down. I mean I am sorry but I am not for the emotional argument.
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→ Thanks, PopTech
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:29 ET by Cool ArrowThat post explains completely why you rely so heavily on link flooding.
You lack coherence.
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Propagandists Like You
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 12:07 ET by PopularTechCool Arrow you have demonstrated who you really are when you choose to deliberately lie about me and continue to about Romney. You are now claiming I link flood when I actually post facts that you are in denial of. I am well aware you wish no one knew those facts about Huckasuck. Looks like it is too late for him now.
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No, PopTech
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 12:19 ET by Cool ArrowYou flood links. That's obvious.
But when faced with other facts, you spin them and rationalize them to fit your own view of the world.
And for good measure you throw in a little namecalling.
Class act, you are.
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Deal with the Facts
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 12:37 ET by PopularTechNo I don't let you get away with not backing up your points and you are left to deal with the facts.
The Facts cannot be spun though you try and sometimes resort to outright lying when the facts are against you as they always are.
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Anything kind to say?
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:32 ET by SchnikeysAnything kind to say? He's a crazy-as$ as far as attitude is concerned, I'll give him that. Secondly, I do disagree with the majority that having him in the Oval Office is not a case where we "might as well" have Hildabeast or Bambi in there...I think that his refusal to vote for the Bush tax cuts because the gov't was spending too much is a valid reason to vote against said tax cuts. Again, however, this does not mean that I wouldn't be pressing for Romney over McCain before Super Tuesday, as I have reservations about the part on immigration where he says he wants to develop what is essentially an amnesty program. I do read the news and research the candidates, sir/ma'am, and I assure you that there is no need to label me as "enthralled with the herd mentality." I don't think McCain's the spawn of Satan, but after doing some looking around, I think there is considerable reason for me to be concerned on some of his stances/votes.
every rino has its
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:36 ET by TruthMongerevery rino has its day...
enjoy it while it lasts, john...
but we won't get doled again:)...
→ There's plenty, Schnickey
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:38 ET by Cool ArrowI'm no McCain supporter either. But I'm not so naive as to believe Romney is pristine. There are real concerns about Romney also. That's the laundry we don't go into very often, and we're gonna act so surprised when the Dems sling it around.
If you'll scroll up, funkdome got jumped on immediately for saying a kind word about McCain being a war hero. The question I'm asking you to answer is: "Was that necessary"?
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Romney may not be Pristine but he is Conservative
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:57 ET by PopularTechBut when you get to the actual facts and not the lies. It comes down to whether you accept that he is Pro-Life when he vocally said he was personally Pro-Life but would uphold the Pro-Choice position years ago runnign for office. The rest is all propaganda not supported by facts.
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→ PopTech
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 12:09 ET by Cool ArrowIf you say "Romney is more Conservative than McCain", I agree.
But I don't think he's a true Conservative. As we'll see when the time comes for him to make good on his fence promises.
Until then it's all talk.
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At this point we have to
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 12:10 ET by SchnikeysAt this point we have to take what we can get, yes?
→ Yes, Schnickeys
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 12:12 ET by Cool ArrowI like Romney. But I'm not terribly happy that he's the best the Republican party has left to offer.
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Neither am I. But the fact
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 12:18 ET by SchnikeysNeither am I. But the fact that he seems to do a reasonably good job of mopping floors with his opponents in the debates lends him some appeal.
It depends. Depending on
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:57 ET by SchnikeysIt depends. Depending on which of his posts you were talking about, funkdome wasn't offering too many arguments to support McCain other than that he is a war hero who funkdome respects. I respect war heroes as well. I know Romney's has a couple rough areas as well, but McCain seems to be doing a pretty good job on outnumbering him and arguably compromising many more conservative principles. I do think that low taxes must go with low spending (thus requiring people besides Dems in Congress and possibly one in the White House), which is why I think McCain was semi-justified on that one position (although in retrospect, I think he should have voted "yes" as the issue of low taxes and low spending going together can be taken care of as soon as possible rather than just waiting for low spending to come along on its own). I think that some of the things Romney did as Governor were the results of overrides by the lib congress in his state and not as much his honest intent. I do need to complete homework at the moment, so I shall not be responding for some time in this thread. In conclusion, I support Romney over McCain, but if McCain is *groan* nominated, I shall support a risk of some socialist actions (him) over a guarantee of many socialist actions (a Dem nominee). That's a form of support I think many of us can agree on.
I'm sorry but I cannot agree
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 12:09 ET by PopularTechI cannot vote for Juan "Mexico First" McCain and support Amnesty, Carbon Taxes and voting against Tax Cuts. There will be no difference.
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Hey schnikeys
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:46 ET by candanceI'm not trying to pick a fight or be mean or anything, I just wanted to point out one small detail:
McCain's explanation that he voted against the tax cuts because of spending is revisionist. At the times when he actually did the voting, he echoed the Democrat view that they were tax cuts for the rich and not the middle class, saying nothing about deficit spending until 2006.
I agree re: Romney being almost as bad. Not bashing anyone or jumping down your throat. But I do get tired of that misconception circulating the web.
I must be one of the Rich
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:56 ET by PopularTechSince I received a tax cut I must be one of the rich McCain is referring to or does he consider the rich anyone not on welfare.
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Schnikeys, Sorry but I
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 20:25 ET by Ryan Mc.Schnikeys,
Sorry but I can't let that go without a response. He was against the tax cut because gov't was spending too much? NO, at the time he actually said that it was because they were too targeted to the evil rich. That whole gov't was spending too much was made up for his presidential run in 2007. I never heard him say that before this campaign season and I did hear him specifically attach the tax cuts as for the rich in 2003. That is exactly my problem with McCain appologists. They just take anything McCain says for fact and don't remember the past at all. McCain spins like a Clinton. Go ahead vote for McCain and elect a Clinton one way or another.
He is not a
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 13:31 ET by motherbeltHe is not a conservative...he is a flaming RINO.
Absolutely, bt....he is an "even Republican." It's bad enough in the Senate; we don't need it in the White House. And I know I've beat this point before, but mark my words he would "work with" the democrats on the Judiciary Committe on SCOTUS nominations.
In spite of all the caves from Bush on other issues, he has nominated good constructionist judges(other than Miers LOL). McCain would go for "consensus."
Very scary.
being a POW does not "entitle you" to be Prez
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 12:34 ET by SouthJersey1953I get sick and tired of hearing about McCain's time as POW. Yes, he served his country. Yes, he suffered during his captivity. But so did hundreds of others. What makes him so special that we must feel obligated to give him the nod because of it?
He is so far off the Conservative bus it isn't funny and I get tired of so-called Repubs saying I have to support the King of the RINOs because of his time in the military. If we must elect a former POW, let's at least find a conservative former POW to support.
It's not Right vs. Left; it is Right vs. Wrong
Thanks, SouthJersey. I
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 13:35 ET by motherbeltThanks, SouthJersey. I said the same thing in another thread. Being a POW entiteles him to respect; it does NOT entitle him to the Presidency.
Did anyone else here watch the debate last night? I thought he came off very badly...he was smug and nasty. When Romney was talking he looked like he was mimicking him in his head, and chuckling over his thoughts. If I ever had some respect for him, I lost it last night.
I believe FLA is not an open primary
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:14 ET by Wineguy13To vote in the GOP primary, a dem would need to change his affiliation some time before the vote. Maybe some did but that seems to be a lot of work to exercise your franchise, especially since many would trade their vote for an Ipod.
Fla. has a 29-day rule
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:23 ET by SchnikeysFla. has a 29-day rule which makes it pretty easy for them to switch parties in time for primaries and elections. Look it up. It's pretty disgusting how the situation for this primary and its relation to the general election are set up against the Repubs.
Fair enough
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:30 ET by Wineguy13Maybe I am guilty of just speaking for myself, but I have NEVER cared to do such a thing. In the last two Presidential elections (where the majority of half-hearted Repub didn't vote because their was no top of the ballot race) I dutifully voted. I would not have even considered voting Nader in the Dem primary. I guess I just don't have the vindictive nature some others do. I understand your point about the unbalanced nature of Fla voting laws, it seems to not have gotten better since Bush v. Gore.
The DNC are the ones who
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:48 ET by SchnikeysThe DNC are the ones who stripped Florida of their delegates. Florida has a right to schedule a primary whenever they please, as does every other state. Essentially, registered Dems in the state had more to gain by voting maliciously in the Repub primary than dutifully in their own, leaving much room for concern. I understand that each party has control over their own delegates, therefore my desire is more for the Repub party to act defensively, delegate-wise. I know that most aware conservatives are not the type to go flocking to McCain in support, as do many other people, which leaves us thinking along the lines I just illustrated. Thus, (speaking for myself) I am skeptical. Registered Dem, you are?
It really doesn't matter...
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 09:54 ET by Prester John....since the whole question of who will be president boils down to how the people of 8 states that Bush won in 2004 will vote. Barring a Perot like third party candidate, New England, the Upper Midwest, and the Left Coast will go for the Dem. The South, the Plains and the Mountains will go for the Repub.
It's all up to the voters of Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado, Iowa, Missouri, Ohio, and Florida to decide who the next president will be. Spending time or money in any other state will be a waste.
MTCW.
Speaking of Third Partys, Ralph Nader is considering another run
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 13:02 ET by RJ..and he sounds serious.
According to the Hartford Courant (Nader's home state is CT) Nader has a national exploratory committee testing support for a fourth run.
That makes THREE POSSIBLE THIRD PARTY RUNS...Paul, Bloomberg and Nader...and any of them could alter the election
RJ --he's already beamed
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 13:10 ET by Jack BauerRJ --he's already beamed aboard the mothership, in orbit over Texas, for strategery talks with Kucinich.
The aliens are trying to split the kook vote.
Lord what is his
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 13:12 ET by balboaLord what is his problem...
He has NO shot. Running achieves nothing other than getting him attention.
Bal, It's all bs. He
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 13:17 ET by LeonBal,
It's all bs. He has launched an exploratory website but it's only b/c he's trying to get his hands on the $250 million that the rightwing attack monster, Freedom's Watch, is prepared to open up to him.
The right is terrified b/c they know they are going to lose the presidency in November. This is a last ditch effort in an attempt to have a prayer.
You know you're screwed when Nader is your greatest hope.
All I remember is 4 years
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 13:22 ET by balboaAll I remember is 4 years ago when he was on The Daily Show and Jon Stewart had him on, saying: "...Please. Please don't run."
Bal, I remember
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 13:33 ET by LeonBal,
I remember well.
Actually the same thing happened then. The right got afraid of losing so they jumped behind Nader.
The only difference is that in '04 the right wing think tank backing his run had a different name. At the time they were could Citizens for a Sound Economy.
Now they are called Freedom's Watch and up to the same old Nader shenanigans.
I wouldn't sweat it. All BS.
Nader is a Rovian creation
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 15:47 ET by TruthMongerNader is a Rovian creation then - got it
and in other news who benefits from demonizing OBL again? You got it - the Military Industrial Complex - conspiring with SA as usual - and of course OBL is Saudi - coincidence? I think not, and what about Chavez too - how come so many of our so-called "enemies" seem to sit on top of oil? So we can "invade" them to "spread democracy?" Yeah right - like we care about democracy. King George, the "president select" was DEFEATED TWICE but look who's still in office, I SAY IT'S TIME FOR IMPEACHMENT - NOBODY DIED WHEN CLINTON LIED - EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT SAYING HE DID LIE - BUT EVEN IF HE DID LIE IT WAS A "PERSONAL MATTER" COINCIDENTALLY INVOLVING SEXUAL HARASSMENT OF AN EMPLOYEE IN THE WORK PLACE - BUT, ANYWAY BUSH LIED BIG TIME - HE ECHOED CLINTON, GORE AND MANY OTHER PROMINENT DEMOCRATS WHEN HE SAID "INTELLIGENCE SEEMS TO INDICATE THAT HUSSEIN HAS WMD'S" BUT THEY WERE NEVER FOUND - NOT REALLY - NOT WORKING ONES - NOT ALOT OF WORKING ONES - WELL NOT A BILLION WORKING ONES - HA! YEAH - NOT A BILLION WORKING ONES - LYING B*ST*RD...
TM
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 17:00 ET by well99You mean Dems said there were WMDs?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNgaVtVaiJE&feature=related
Good job Joe.I like how you broke it down.
Comedy relief
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fqCS7Y_kME&feature=related
Just a note for those folks that say Bill just lied about sex.
"In order for a person to be found guilty of perjury the government must prove: the person testified under oath before [e.g., the grand jury]; at least one particular statement was false; and the person knew at the time the testimony was false."
I think Bill fell in that category.P-E-R-J-U-R-Y.
I hope Nader runs.I wont vote for him.Pat Paulson all the way!
I am in the cut and paste mode today..oh well
leon, quit the
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 13:27 ET by TruthMongerleon, quit the fearmongering about terrorism will ya? there is nothing to fear from Democrats, instead we need to try and understand why they hate U.S. so much:)...
TruthMonger
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 13:41 ET by DelsaDemocrats hate the United States because the majority of people (legal citizens) are NOT willing to be under the thumb of a Socialist Government. At least NOT YET!
So it is US they hate and it is extended to the United States.
no arguing that:) i think
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 13:46 ET by TruthMongerno arguing that:)
i think they've made themselves quite clear
Yeah, I know that's why I
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 13:56 ET by balboaYeah, I know that's why I hate America... :-\
that's not why you hate
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 15:49 ET by TruthMongerthat's not why you hate America - nice try though:)
Bal, you hate America?
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 15:53 ET by tracheostomyWhen you think about it, that's a lot to hate.
Strong word. That would mean a lot of inner-hate as well.
I like to think you're more reasonable than that.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Speak for yourself.
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 15:24 ET by SchnikeysSpeak for yourself.
Both Dem and GOP are
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 13:39 ET by tracheostomyBoth Dem and GOP are shattered anyway, so this should be fun to watch. After listening to an Ed Meese interview on the radio, this is like another post-watergate "Election '76" moment. We'll get another Ford and/or Carter, which will pave the way for a new Ronald Reagan.
The conservative base isn't as organized as they will be 4 years from now after Obama takes the country in a direction they don't want to go.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Regarding the aside
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:10 ET by Wineguy13Mark,
Of the challenge Joe issues about position changes since he left Congress, he may be right, but I would like more time to examine the facts before I cede the point. Regarding the general trend of the show, it has been more of a 'go along to get along' vibe. Since the first days of his replacing Imus, with Ridley who was liberal leaning but quite a bit more thoughtful (IMHO), and now the comely but slightly simple Mika, there has been an awkward obsequiousness that creeps in from time to time. But why not, he doesn't have to be doctrinaire, but Joe should at least acknowledge a change in emphasis. I really wish I knew of a better show to watch in this time slot, as it is one time I usually can watch.
Senate to add 32 billion to Stimulus
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:15 ET by PawpawNSenate to add 32 billion to Stimulus. That's why you never want to elect a Senator to President. Right now the only choice is Mitt Romney for either party. These Senators all band together and just keep giving out monies/pork while increasing their own pensions. Put a Governor in!
I heard this all this
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:26 ET by bigtimerI heard this all this morning...
Joe Scarborough you made me proud...thank you for a change.
I generally like Morning
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:29 ET by taterI generally like Morning Joe (or at least it's the only thing I can stand on MSNBC) and when Joe goes on rants like these are why I watch.
But when he makes jabs at Mika and Willie (as well as himself) those are good too.
Do you realize how much it costs to run for office? More than any honest man could afford. -Montgomery Burns
Joe Scarborough the intermittent conservative.
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:34 ET by CTNot bad, missed this morning's rant. It would have been better if he had gone on longer as that was less than half the list of how you can tell you are NOT a conservative.
Of course the only thing better than that would have been if he had accidentally backhanded Mika and knocked her off her stool.
Mika resents the
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:56 ET by maggieqpublicMika resents the insinuation she is a liberal? She must be one of those unbiased journalists.
The early Morning Joe programs reminded me of the Merv Griffin show… where Joe would play “best friends” with every one of his guests. It’s refreshing to see Joe express and defend a conservative point of view.
Happiness is
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 12:28 ET by DelsaHappiness is voting for the right man for president and that man IS NOT McCain.
ROMNEY IS.
Unconsolable sadness is voting for Huck or McCain.
BE HAPPY!! VOTE ROMNEY!!!
Isn't that the tactic that
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 12:30 ET by SchnikeysIsn't that the tactic that the Dems usually use?
Well actually, I guess if we're talking about in the long-term rather than at-the-moment sort of happiness, it makes sense.
Funkdome
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 12:40 ET by DelsaI have been reading these posts and you stump me. You say you are a conservative but will vote for a man who wants to repeal our tax breaks which is a huge tax increase, he wants to admitt illegals willy nilly on our dime, he believes in Global warming. What is conservative about that?
Personally, i think you should take a look at Obama if you can not bring yourself to vote for Romney.
Just saying.....
I've posted before
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 13:25 ET by marpelI've posted before that Mika makes me sick. I posted that her facial expressions and her "sound effects" aggravate me every morning. And I can't watch Fox and Friends. It's one of the worst shows on morning TV.
I think Joe Scarborough started to lean left when he started this morning show. Every so often he has to remind himself that he is supposed to be expressing conservative views, and he'll pop off like he did this morning. I think John McCain is a liberal and so is Joe Scarborough.
Keith O: Remember, Keith Olbermann was a sports reporter before he got this job. He did a bad job as a sports reporter and he does a worse job as a "political commentator". He's an idiot. Who cares what Keith thinks about politics. No one cared what he thought about sports...
It's simple to stop Mika
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 13:35 ET by The_PumpcropI stopped watching MSNBC (except sometimes I still tune in to Tucker) because of people like Mika and Bathtub boy (Thank you NewsBusters for suffering for me to keep me informed). However if you like Morning Joe but hate the posing, porn-sound-making side kick, go to their site and Email them and tell them. Title it something like "Way to Go Joe" to get them to open it then let them have it. The more the merrier. They honestly believe she's a superstar on the show!
Thank God it looks like
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 13:49 ET by goldbarThank God it looks like McCain will be the nominee! It will be nice to have a democrat in the White House again!
I tried emailing
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 13:58 ET by marpelI tried emailing MSNBC before, but I never tried the "Way to Go, Joe". Think I will try that now. I'm thinking about getting Direct TV just to tune into Don Imus again. None of our local radio stations carry his show. I end up logging onto his show on the internet once I get to work. Now that he's off of MSNBC, he's not as liberal and is back to being his pre-MSNBC funny self. Bernard, his producer, is funnier than he's ever been. (He called Ted Kennedy "the fat rummy from MA" the other morning). MSNBC apparently dictates who you will have on the show and that your views need to fall in line with their liberal views. That's why they have almost zero viewers. And they have the likes of Mika and Keith as their "stars".....Turns my stomach.
Does He Really Care?
Thu, 01/31/2008 - 16:19 ET by TeamcheeserIf Joe Scarborough is really concerned about the Republican party, and considering he was a representative from Florida, could he have possibly got his message about McCain's lack of conservatism out to the Floridians BEFORE the Florida primary? Certainly Joe's opinion would have some influence in his home state...
I believe now that it appears McCain has the nomination all locked up, MSNBC told Joe to go ahead and start to tear down McCain.
The only difference between
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 11:23 ET by djm159The only difference between Hillary Clinton and John McCain is Hillary is a marxist who will stab you in the heart while looking you in the eye and McCain is a socialist who will stab you in the back. Frankly, I would rather see it coming. Hillary we know. We know she is corrupt, a liar and a control freak. Obama is an inexperienced, uninformed Marxist and the democrats new Jimmy Carter who plans to bomb Pakistan should he be elected. Either way you shake the sack with McCain, Clinton or Obama as president America loses. It is just a matter of how much we lose.