How is John McCain not a conservative? Let Joe Scarborough count the ways. The Morning Joe host thundered out a bill of particulars today that was nothing less than an indictment of McCain's lack of conservative credentials.
It was Mika Brzezinski's reference to Bob Novak's column of today, questioning McCain's conservatism, that sparked Scarborough's outburst.
View video here.
JOE SCARBOROUGH: Let me tell you what a conservative is not:
- A conservative is not a man that calls tax cuts that George Bush passed that revived the economy "tax cuts for the rich." That is not a conservative.
- A conservative is not a man who is one of two Republicans standing alone in Washington, DC voting against those tax cuts that every other Republican supported in Washington, DC. That is not a conservative.
- A conservative is not a man that teams up with Teddy Kennedy to produce a bill that is nothing short of amnesty that would allow 12 million illegal immigrants to attain legal status the day after John McCain's bill and Ted Kennedy's bill becomes law. That is not a conservative.
- A conservative is not somebody that goes on Tim Russert's show a couple of weeks ago and says if that amnesty bill that would allow 12 million illegal immigrants to become citizens [legal residents] the next day, he does not go on that show and say "yes, I would sign that bill, but don't worry, it's not going to come to my desk." That is not a conservative.
- A conservative is not a man who says he wants to increase taxes maybe 50 cents per gallon on the American people, trying to push through a bill that the rest of the world won't sign onto. That is not a conservative.
Concluded Scarborough: "I could go on forever and ever."
Note: a chippy exchange between Joe and Mika preceded Joe's philippic. Shtick or real sparks? You be the judge from the transcript and the tape.
SCARBOROUGH: So we have answered the question, is John McCain a conservative. No, no, again I say no.MIKA BRZEZINSKI: Well now.
SCARBOROUGH: What do you mean, "well now"?
BRZEZINSKI: I just think you over-modulated a little bit. But that's OK, we tone it down, we straighten up and we move on.
SCARBOROUGH: OK Mika, because you really do know what a conservative is. I won't try to tell you who a liberal is, because you've got that one cornered.
BRZEZINSKI: Yeah, OK, you know what? I totally resent that, and it's actually wrong. But OK, go ahead.
SCARBOROUGH: Well Mika, if you continue to try to tell me what a conservative is --
BRZEZINSKI: I'm not trying to tell you what a conservative is.
SCARBOROUGH: Alright, you're interrupting me every three seconds also. Let me tell you. John McCain, because you brought it up, because you suggested I do not know what a conservative is, let me tell you what a conservative is not.
Aside: I can hear some of our readers already: "Scarborough should know what a conservative is not because he isn't one." This column has often documented the ways that Joe has ingratiated himself with liberal guests. But in correspondence with this NewsBuster, Scarborough has challenged people to identify one policy position he has changed since his days as a conservative member of Congress.
AllahPundit's take: "What’s most impressive is how long, yet still incomplete, the list of grievances is and how effortlessly [Scarborough] calls it up from memory. A testament, surely, to how deeply McCain’s betrayals have seeped into the conservative consciousness"
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.
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oh im a liberal and that kind of talk
January 31, 2008 - 09:24 ET by audio357is taboo. You cant tell them that.. they resent being called a liberal... and mccain is in no way a conservative.. i really think rush is right.. my wife said this am (she wanted rudy) that she was going on rudys website to tell him how upset she was that he endorsed senator mccain and said... im not even going to vote if its mccain for the repubs... and shes not crazy into politcs as much as me. The media think mccain is the darling.. thats enough for me not to like him.. sorry.. and joe was right here.. all those reasons plus a bunch bunch more.
Wife also said we need to move some of our money around to protect it from obama or hillary since they are going to be the next prez... if mccain is the candidate.. Its depressing and sickening seeing the excitement of the media for mccain and obama/hillary.. gross almost.. oh well is all i can say.. move your money around into safe from the govt entities... save yourself is how we feel at least...
honesty is the best policy... unless your running for office.
"im not even going to vote if its mccain for the repubs"
February 1, 2008 - 03:17 ET by fastfood"im not even going to vote if its mccain for the repubs"
I hope everyone does vote. Or we might just end up with MCcain.
My favorite:
January 31, 2008 - 09:30 ET by motherbeltMy favorite:
A conservative is not somebody that goes on Tim Russert's show a couple
of weeks ago and says if that amnesty bill that would allow 12 million
illegal immigrants to become citizens [legal residents] the next day,
he does not go on that show and say "yes, I would sign that bill, but
don't worry, it's not going to come to my desk."
Exactly, Joe! I can't believe McCain says he would sign it, but don't worry, they won't let me.
What the heck is THAT about?
We don't need an "even Republican" in the White House.
I am talking to everyone I know about Romney, and encouraging them to vote for him.
Joe's OK
January 31, 2008 - 09:30 ET by c5thenBecause of his position as a host (or co-host) of a TV show, he has to tone some of his rhetoric down a bit and make nice with the liberals whom he shares the table with and interviews. That doesn't mean he has changed his positions and ideals. I wish he would be a little more forceful in pointing out the hypocrisy and flaws in the liberal plans and ideas, but on a network like MSNBC that would almost certaintly get him fired and then the conservatives would lose another voice.
All conservatives should take note of this VERY carefully. If we allow the liberal MSM to select the GOP candidate, then the battle is already lost and we will for years and years to come have the choice of a moderate liberal like McCain or an extreme liberal like Clinton or Obama.
Remember that choosing the lesser of two evils is still a choice for evil. (leon, it's a figure of speach, I'm not actually calling liberals "evil').
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
I disagree... I don't mind
January 31, 2008 - 09:35 ET by motherbeltI disagree... I don't mind him being polite, but I don't think he should modulate or tone down his views.
And if we allow a network to dictate the views of their hosts, then the battle is lost before it's begun.
They knew Joe Scarborough's views when they hired him. If they wanted a mushmouth they could have found one. I, for one, am disappointed in Joe when he seems to let liberals sway him.
Gee, co-operation from the MSM
January 31, 2008 - 09:33 ET by JayTeeIS this a Romney attack ad ? Or is the MSM co-operating with the Conservatives and taking Rush L.'s side ?
The MSM looking at the facts and helping out....but in reality, they just Identified a Conservative Target (McCain), and attacked as usual.
Stimulis: Congress and the president are now agreed on remedies that will not work, expending money they do not have, to fix a problem that may not exist. Steve Chapman
oh Mika, what wont you say?
January 31, 2008 - 09:44 ET by dronetekWho do people like Mika think their fooling? Does she really think anyone believes shes not a raving liberal? It reminds me of a lot of people on MSNBC who try to cover up the blatently obvious, like Chris Mathews and Olberman.
One other thing, am I the only one who is getting sick of seeing those arrogent faces she constantly making? The most painful thing about it is she has no idea that shes a complete moron. Yeah Mika, There are tons of conservative watching the show and they are all guessing where you stand politcally.
Guessing????? MSM -
January 31, 2008 - 10:01 ET by pbanks7Guessing?????
MSM - shaping all the perceptions you need to believe.
Just turn it off
January 31, 2008 - 10:56 ET by pilsenerI really do applaud the work of Newsbusters who watch & report on Olbermann, The View, et. al., so the rest of us don't have to.
Because of Newsbusters, the rest of us can choose not to watch Morning Joe, Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, and friends. I see no reason to ever leave the TV on while Mika or David Shuster or Keith Olbermann illustrate their completely biased ignorance. Just turn it off, dronetek.
There they go again
January 31, 2008 - 09:40 ET by hal50I love when liberals deny & "resent" the liberal tag when applied to them. It is quite revealing
Right, hal. You never hear
January 31, 2008 - 09:51 ET by motherbeltRight, hal. You never hear a conservative resent being called on, or denying it. Why is that, I wonder?
I was glad to see Joe stand up for conservative principles this AM.
mb, I don't think they mind
January 31, 2008 - 13:10 ET by Chris Normanmb,
I don't think they mind being called "conservative", but once they get into Congress (especially the Senate), a lot of "conservatives" sure don't act like they want to be conservatives...
Hello! All this is a simple
January 31, 2008 - 09:53 ET by SchnikeysHello! All this is a simple matter of the MSM getting comfortable after McCain won Florida!
They know McCain is not supported by many Republicans and is a weak candidate.
They know how powerful a Florida win is.
They simply think that McCain is the Republican nominee, and all they're doing is starting their destruction of him just a wee bit early, because they have a good feeling that he'll be the nominee. They're letting people like Scarborough out of his cage a bit because they feel slightly more at ease, and they are aware of the impending destruction of the Republican race for presidency if McCain is nominated.
We are seeing what is going to come if he is the nominee. Hopefully they are just miscalculating, and Super Tuesday will offer more positive results for conservatives and the GOP. Take it as a warning. Vote Romney instead.
Mc Cain the Democrat &MSM favorite
February 1, 2008 - 00:17 ET by merlin61Did anyone watch the Schwarznegger and Rudy
and Mc Cain show today? Mc Cain sounded like
Al Gore regarding global warming and all three of
them were promoting some energy company.
That sounded an alarm bell to me about politicians
backing a company even before Mc Cain is
eleeted, what's that all about?
Strategery? The louder you scream the faster we go!
January 31, 2008 - 10:05 ET by CrashHave any of you noticed that the more "rips" McCain gets, the higher his numbers go? This leads me to wonder if these "attacks" are part of the game plan.
Maybe Joe finally got the memo about Juan "Mexico First" McCain
January 31, 2008 - 10:05 ET by PopularTechOpen borders advocate Juan Hernandez has joined the McCain campaign (HotAir)
Juan Hernandez, McCain Advisor: Mexico First! (Video) (4min)
Joe knows Juan McCain will bring the Amnesty:
McCain Would Sign Amnesty Bill as President (Video)
Vote Romney on Super Tuesday:
Tom Tancredo Endorses Mitt Romney (FOXNews)
Romney on Illegal Immigration (Video) (2min)
Romney vs Huckabee on Illegal Immigration (Video) (5min)
Romney Allows Massachusetts State Troopers to Detain Illegals (FOXNews)
Romney Blasts Immigration Deal (NewsMax)
Romney Vetoes In-State Tuition for Illegals (The Boston Globe)
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I think Scarborough probably knows what a jerk McCain is
January 31, 2008 - 10:07 ET by Dee Bunkthrough first hand experience. Scarborough can't just ask people to name one policy position that he has changed. He's not in Congress anymore. He doesn't have votes anymore.
Scarborough is a much nicer guy than McCain but he's still a RINO. The easiest way to see a RINO is that they criticize Republicans and Scarborough does it all the time. If you are going to criticize Republicans then it better be for not being conservative and your criticism should always be in the context that it's better than what some liberal is doing.
People like Scarborough and McCain like to say they are straight talkers but there is nothing straight about agreeing with a Democrat who criticizes a Republican without saying - hey I agree but who are you to talk?
The McKeating 1/5th
January 31, 2008 - 10:36 ET by CrashMcCain has so much baggage, surely he'd lose in a national election. He was so tempted by taking questionable funds, along with four other Senators with D's after their names, that he was compelled to stop anyone who had a corrupt bone in their body. We know that this was mere folly in an attempt by McCain to atone for his wicked past.
Today, corruption still haunts the Congressional halls and even those with billionaire spouses couldn't "buy" an election.
ripping McCain
January 31, 2008 - 10:08 ET by DelsaGet rid of Huckabee. Finally Joe makes some sense. Joe asked Huck why he did not call mccain out on his liberal stances. Huck answered that although he did not agree with mccain, he respected his stands?? What?
He said he attacks Romney because he is not who he says he is and Mccain IS who he says he is? I think Huck should be institutionalized with Britney Spears........
Get everyone you know to
Looks like he needs to get
January 31, 2008 - 10:15 ET by SchnikeysLooks like he needs to get the memo on Romney too, then.
the huckster
January 31, 2008 - 10:28 ET by dronetekThe huckster's answer to Scarbrough was hilarious!
Scarbrough: Why dont you hold Mccain to same standards
Hucketer: Uhh, well thats because Romney said he was a life long hunter!
Are you kidding me?
Huckabee's supporters
January 31, 2008 - 11:30 ET by candancePeople who like Huckabee should really take a hard look at this and think about what their guy is doing. Why is he being so nice to McCain but not Romney? Could it be that Romney is in his way, sucking up conservative votes that are "supposed" to be his? Could it be that Huck is hoping for a cabinet position?
Or it be all of the above?
If Huck was a real Christian he'd call out everyone regardless of where they stood in the polls. I don't want a Christian like that representing me.
Well
January 31, 2008 - 10:16 ET by funkdomeMcCain is not as conservative as Romney, but just barely.
He is much more conservative than Hillary or Obama though. McCain can beat them. Romney can not.
Please Juan "Mexico First" McCain will lose to Hillary BAD.
January 31, 2008 - 10:25 ET by PopularTechJuan McAmnesty will lose the illegal immigration vote, the social conservative vote, the female vote, the economic conservatives who do research ect...
Does this kindergarten crap work with the people you talk to. McCain can beat Hillary but Romney cannot? Why because you keep looking at head to head polls before the primaries are done, where the votes are split between candidates?
Romney can beat Hillary or Obama. Juan McCain will lose the female vote and I will make sure of it:
Betrayal, deceit, corruption and John McCain (The U.S. Veteran Dispatch)
"While still married to Carol, McCain began an adulterous relationship with Cindy. He married Cindy in May 1980 - just a month after dumping his crippled wife and securing a divorce."
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Clever
January 31, 2008 - 10:27 ET by funkdomeOoooh a refugee from the Huff Post called him Juan McAmnesty! What a compelling argument!!
You sure changed my mind with your silly name calling! Kudos to you!
?
January 31, 2008 - 10:30 ET by dronetekIf the name is all you got from that, than youre missing the point.
LOL
January 31, 2008 - 10:37 ET by funkdomeNo, I also got that you were personally going to lose McCain the womens' vote, which is just silly.
You say that Romney can win. Polling says something very different:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
Aggregate polls show Romney losing to both Clinton and Obama by double digits. Same polls show McCain narrowly beating both.
I am not so foolish as to think there is no differnce between a McCain presidency and a Obama presidency. Seems the rigid partisans here feel otherwise.
Polls have a way of
January 31, 2008 - 10:42 ET by SchnikeysPolls have a way of changing, especially when they're as close as 1% (as one of them implies). See Dukakis' and Kerry's showings in polls during their respective campaigns, post-primary. Both of those individuals have one thing in common, regarding the outcome of the presidential contests in which they were involved.
Clueless about Polls
January 31, 2008 - 10:45 ET by PopularTechHead to Head polls are meaningless before the primaries are over! Can you not comprehend that? The votes are split between candidates and only the desperate McCain supporters who are in utter fear of Hillary are voting overwhelmingly for him.
Hillary Fear Voters are backing McCain NOT conservatives.
With Edwards dropping out these polls go further in McCain's favor.
So apparently you want to pay more for all your energy costs, want amnesty and want to close Gitmo.
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Polls also showed Obama
January 31, 2008 - 10:48 ET by MassConservativePolls also showed Obama ahead in New Hampshire, McCain ahead in Michigan, etc, etc. If you are trusting in any of these polls at this point you are either very naive or a Democrat.
What we have not seen yet is Romney one-on-one vs. either Obama or Clinton. I suspect in a debate he could mop the floor with either of them (especially Obama). I think McCain demonstrated last night that he can be easily flustered and taken off his game. Clinton would go for the jugglar and destroy him in a debate.
"There are scandals that need to be addressed. Republicans address them, Democrats re-elect them." - Tom Delay
Whereas Romney could take
January 31, 2008 - 10:50 ET by SchnikeysWhereas Romney could take both Obama and Hillary by the jugular and mop the floor with them at the same time, if he wanted.
Polls
January 31, 2008 - 10:59 ET by funkdomeNone of the polls you mentioned showed the double digit disparity as above. I agree that polls are flawed, but they still give an indication of national feel. Why start out with a candidate who is in a hole before the media even focus all of their hate on him?
I agree that Romney's stated positions are gnerally closer to the conservative line.However, he has gotten way more conservative after he decided to run for President. I like Romney, but I can't tell how much of his positions are genuine and how many are just pandering to guys like Rush.
Perhaps you should take a
January 31, 2008 - 11:04 ET by SchnikeysPerhaps you should take a look at one of user PopularTech's pro-Romney posts, if you haven't already. :)
→ Don't worry Funkdome
January 31, 2008 - 11:05 ET by Cool ArrowSpend enough time around here and soon you'll be nodding your okey-doke head like all the front row tent revival zombies.
Not because you'll necessarily agree, it's just the allure of the getalong gang.
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Clueless about Polls
January 31, 2008 - 11:12 ET by PopularTechThose same polls showed Rudy beating Hillary ect.. The Head to Head polls before the primaries are over are useless and propaganda for the MSM's chosen front runner. If you cannot understand this simple logic then I cannot help you.
Every position is genuine except his vocal change on abortion, he has no pro-choice voting record.
I've done the research on him and everytime someone brings something up about him it is either a lie or an exaggeration.
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Right
January 31, 2008 - 11:23 ET by funkdomeRight. I don't share your views so I must not "understand" and I am "lying" or "exaggerating".
You think you are the only person who has done his research? Spare me your arrogance.
You clearly have not done any research
January 31, 2008 - 11:35 ET by PopularTechYou keep repeating the same BS and don't provide any facts where I have. Juan "Mexico First" McCain has shown his true colors.
Don't worry I understand all those who cheat on their wives stick together.
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Cheating on wife?
January 31, 2008 - 11:50 ET by funkdomeThat's how you are gonna choose your candidate? If that is part of what makes you "informed" then I will be content to be uninformed.
I guess you hate Newt, Bob Dole, Bush Sr, Eisenhower, Bob Dole, Limbaugh, and Henry Hyde too. I don't, but you must.
You said you couldn't tell
January 31, 2008 - 11:38 ET by SchnikeysYou said you couldn't tell how genuine Romney was being, so I suggested that you look at one of PopTech's posts regarding Romney because he puts forth a considerable wealth of info on Romney in those posts, which may be able to answer your question a little better. Exactly what allures you to McCain aside from the fact that he is a war hero?
Well
January 31, 2008 - 11:45 ET by funkdomeSchnikeys (or PopTech or whatever you are choosing to post under at the moment).
As much as I am impressed with your cutting and pasting from Romney's site, excuse me if I use my own brain.
I think foreign policy is our top priority. Romney has no foreign policy experience or military background.
I prefer Romney on the economy, but still think McCain is a small-government, pro-business type.
Both of them are flawed social conservatives.
At the end of the day, McCain has much greater appeal among moderates and hence has a better chance to win. That is why he is my choice.
To set the record straight,
January 31, 2008 - 11:52 ET by SchnikeysTo set the record straight, I'm not PopTech. Some good that will do, but I should put it out there anyway. There is no point in using multiple screennames.
Do you smoke weed?
January 31, 2008 - 11:54 ET by PopularTechSo now you are lying that I post under multiple accounts? Any admin here can confirm this is not true. The desperation of some people has no bounds.
I did not cut and paste from Romney's site, I actually linked to the source and even listed it next to the link.
Yeah McCain is pro-business when he has no business experience, votes against tax cuts for those businesses but yeah he is pro-business. Keep smoking the weed.
It is obvious you want to appeal to moderates and are not a conservative at least you now admit it.
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desperation
January 31, 2008 - 12:02 ET by funkdomeYeah, if I really cared about your opinion I would be desperate.
Fortunately, I care about as much about the opinion of those who have McCain Derangement Syndrome as I do those who have Bush Derangement Syndrome. Apparently you guys have a lot in common: intolerance, name calling, nastiness, etc.
I mean really. You sound like a liberal partisan talking about Bush. Is it possible for you to make a case for the guy you like without demonizing everyone else? That's what liberals do and that is what you do.
You should only care about the facts
January 31, 2008 - 12:15 ET by PopularTechYou should only care about the facts but it would be convienent to not talk about Juan "Mexico First" McCain for his campaign. That way no one will know about him cheating on his crippled wife, voting against the Bush tax cuts, wanting Amnesty for illegals, having Juan "Mexico First" Hernandez on his campaign or being for Carbon Taxes - I mean "Cap and Trade".
The facts about Juan "Mexico First" McCain no one should see.
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→ Facts?
January 31, 2008 - 12:25 ET by Cool ArrowRomney raised taxes by $730 million in his 4 year tenure as Mass. Governor.
Romney introduced and signed into law Socialized Healthcare in Mass.
Romney hooked up the poor in Mass. to 50 buck abortions.
Now watch PopTech rationalize each of these Liberal actions.
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Cool Arrow back to the same Lies about Romney
January 31, 2008 - 12:44 ET by PopularTechYou are desperate. You are repeating Juan "Mexico First" McCain talking points. It is really sad when all you got are lies.
Abortion:
Romney never pushed for taxpayer funding for abortions. The state law he signed left decisions about what should be covered to an independent body, the Commonwealth Connector. It was that body, not Romney, that ruled that abortions would be covered.
In truth, the state had little choice but to cover abortions. The state Supreme Court had ruled in 1980 that the Massachusetts Constitution confers on Massachusetts women an even broader right to abortion than does the U.S. Constitution. It restated in a 1997 decision that the state must pay for medically necessary abortions if it pays for all other medically necessary procedures including services in connection with childbirth.
It is possible to argue that Romney might have put up a public fight to narrow the abortion coverage had he chosen to do so, or that the Commonwealth Connector decided to cover more than is "medically necessary." But it is simply false for McCain to claim that "Romney provided taxpayer funded abortions" when taxpayers had been ordered by the courts to pay for them long before Romney took office.
Please provide the document that Romney signed that says he endorsed $50 abortions.
Taxes:
Romney increased fees amounted to $260 million a year, and elimination of corporate tax "loopholes" brought in another $174 million a year. He never raised taxes.
Health Care:
Romney's Health Care coverage was not a government funded single payer (socialized) system, it was a free market solution for comprehensive coverage. Not to mention the final plan that was enacted was not his final plan:
The Massachusetts legislature made a number of changes to Governor Romney's original Health Care proposal.
Romney Vetoed Eight Sections of the Health Care Legislation, including:
- Romney Vetoed providing dental benefits to poor residents on the Medicaid program
- Romney Vetoed providing health coverage to senior and disabled legal immigrants not eligible for federal Medicaid
- Romney Vetoed expanding MassHealth (Medicaid) coverage to low-income children
- Romney Vetoed restoring funding for public health programs
- Romney Vetoed adding a provision charging firms with 11 or more workers
that do not provide "fair and reasonable" health coverage to their
workers
All Eight Vetoes Were Overturned
The legislature also rejected Governor Romney's proposal to permit even higher-deductible, lower benefit health plans.
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→ Fine PopTech
January 31, 2008 - 12:50 ET by Cool ArrowYour spin on the facts was predicted. But it's still spin of the facts filtered through your prism.
All I did was demonstrate you have a biased way of filtering facts.
Wasn't aiming for anything more.
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No Spin just Reality
January 31, 2008 - 13:03 ET by PopularTechIt is really dishonest to keep repeating that Romney wanted to $50 state funded abortions or lie about him raising taxes $700 million or that his health care plan was socialist when you can buy your own care from the free market insurance company you want. The only one distorting anything is you.
You just demonstrated that you have no integrity and will resort to propaganda.
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PopTech
January 31, 2008 - 11:40 ET by candanceIt's a simple fact that the MSM promotes polls showing the Republican on top. The only way for them to secure a lib on the GOP ticket is to convince voters he can beat the other guy. It fires up the Fear Of Hillary crowd and gives them hoping of winning, which causes them too attack any Republican who doesn't like the nominee.
But...but...you don't understand! He can beat a Democrat! He can! He can!
Then the scandals and flip flops are suddenly discovered and the casual voters who don't read NB decide not to vote for him.
Candace Exactly
January 31, 2008 - 11:58 ET by PopularTechThese head to head polls only scare the anti-hillary Republicans not Conservatives.
If you do not get a conservative in office nothing will change and with Juan you will get Amnesty, Gitmo closed and Carbon Taxes. Wow I am so excited to vote for Juan "Mexico First" McCain.
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funky, I hate to rain on your parade here,
January 31, 2008 - 15:59 ET by R D HelmI hate to rain on your parade here, but the reason the MSM is so supportive of McClinton is so that, in the event he should when the nomination, they can all join together in tearing him down.
I imagine that most of the negative news copy has already been written, and the revealing video segments have been made, and are now loaded up and ready to go.
McClinton hasn't GOT a chance in the GE.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe
you're right RD Helm
January 31, 2008 - 16:37 ET by candanceBy the time the Clinton machine is through with him you'll see his poll numbers cut in half, and when the crap hits the fan there won't be anyone willing to defend McCain. Limbaugh hates him. Ann Coulter hates him. James Dobson hates him. Jason Lewis has officially turned on him and Michelle Malkin has all but publicly said it. The GOP establishment will prop him up, but all influencial people on the right will be sitting back saying "I told you so."
With no one on the radio or the blogosphere defending him, his support will slip away and even the ABC voters will only be endorsing him half-heartedly.
Bush barely beat Al Gore in 2000 even with the entire GOP on his side and Ralph Nader splitting the liberal vote. McCain is not nearly as likeable and doesn't have a chance. Bob Dole Volume II.
Everyone is acting like
January 31, 2008 - 10:49 ET by mattmEveryone is acting like McCainiac already won. He didn't. He only won Florida because the Dems had no delegates so they crossed over and voted him in.
I know the pundits aren't talking about this, but it has to be at least a stron possibility. Everyone know the dems want McCain to run against because they know how hated he is by conservatives. It only makes sens for them to sabotage the GOP primary...
Romney could pull it off on Super Tuesday... I just hope he doesn't drop out before the convention. Not that he's the best either, but at least he's not a Washington insider, and he has never actually betrayed his own Party's conservative base.
If this turns out to be the RNC Establishment coronation of John McCainiac, I will be voting Lebertarian this year.
Hate?
January 31, 2008 - 11:02 ET by funkdome"Everyone know the dems want McCain to run against because they know how hated he is by conservatives."
No, he is hated by some conservatives. I am a conservative and I respect him and his service to our country. I question the mindset of any conservative who "hates" a war hero because he has a different view on immigration.
I thought this was a site about media bias. When did it become a place to judge how "true" a conservative is?
Yes Hated by INFORMED CONSERVATIVES
January 31, 2008 - 11:15 ET by PopularTechWhich apparently is not you. The only tax relief I have received in ages I got from the tax cuts that idiot voted against! He doesn't just want amnesty he wants to jack up your energy costs! So apparently you are another brainwashed global warming convert who really thinks the debate is about being good to the environment and being against pollution.
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Yep
January 31, 2008 - 11:25 ET by funkdomeGee, here I thought I was a conservative. Fortunately for me, PopTech is here to tell me I'm not.
New rules people: a conservative is someone who agrees with PopTech. Those who do not are not conservative. That is all.
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January 31, 2008 - 11:33 ET by Cool ArrowSorry, but that's not a new rule. But it is the reason we are so out of touch with the electorate at large.
You're not being challenged, you're being pigeonholed.
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Maybe you can lie about me some more
January 31, 2008 - 11:36 ET by PopularTechMaybe you can lie about me some more, it worked well for you before. You cannot argue facts which is what I got.
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Facts?
January 31, 2008 - 11:39 ET by funkdomeNo. You have opinions and you demonize anyone who doesn't share them as not a "real" conservative.
We all have facts, but apparently some of us come to different conclusions. Your arrogance is laughable.
Is that more Juan "Mexico First" McCain Straight Talk?
January 31, 2008 - 11:46 ET by PopularTechAll I provide are lists of facts over and over and over.
Get all your Juan "Mexico First" McCain facts right here.
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Who cares
January 31, 2008 - 11:52 ET by funkdomeLook, you have repeated the same stupid post several times now.
Nice name-calling. It's really impressive.
Obviously you don't care
January 31, 2008 - 12:01 ET by PopularTechObviously you don't care about facts. Just that Juan "Mexico First" McCain served in Vietnam and was a POW and is not Hillary. I mean you really convinced me now.
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LOL
January 31, 2008 - 12:05 ET by funkdomePopTech said:
"Me conservative. You not! Me hate McCain. Me smart. You dumb. Me hate McCain. Juan McCain!!!!"
Your arguments are overwhelming me
January 31, 2008 - 12:09 ET by PopularTechI think I will vote for Juan "Mexico First" McCain now. Your argument convinced me!
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Thanks for the heads up
January 31, 2008 - 11:37 ET by funkdomePopTech's rhetoric is that of a HuffPost blogger, albeit with the names changed.
It is lame there and it is equally lame here.
The Facts about Juan "Mexico First" McCain Hurt I know
January 31, 2008 - 11:42 ET by PopularTechYou can't argue facts so you attempt to compare me to the Huffington Post, that is the same dishonest tactics Huckasuck supporters tried. Maybe you should go back to your he is better than Hillary crap for the uninformed.
John McCain: The Democrats' Favorite Republican (Video) (1min)
"I believe my party has gone astray. I think the Democratic Party is a fine party, and I have no problems with it, in their views and their philosophy." - John McCain
McCain Calls Conservative Leaders 'Agents of Intolerance' (The Wall Street Journal)
"Neither party should be defined by pandering to the outer reaches of American politics and the agents of intolerance, whether ... on the left, or Pat
Robertson or Jerry Falwell on the right." - John McCain
McCain's Age (Townhall)
Age: 71
- McCain graduated 894th out of 899 in his class at the United States Naval Academy
Betrayal, deceit, corruption and John McCain (The U.S. Veteran Dispatch)
"While still married to Carol, McCain began an adulterous relationship with Cindy. He married Cindy in May 1980 - just a month after dumping his crippled wife and securing a divorce."
John McCain: The Geraldo Rivera Republican (Human Events)
McCain: I'll Respect Hillary (NewsMax)
"I Have No Doubt That Senator Clinton Would Make A Good President." - John McCain
The Real McCain Record (National Review Online)
Abortion:
John McCain Supports Embryonic Stem Cell Research (Audio)
McCain Softens Abortion Stand (The Washington Post)
"But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations." - John McCain
Anger Issues:
Andy Card: I Have Seen John McCain's Anger (NewsMax)
John McCain: I Have Anger Issues (NewsMax)
John McCain's Temper Preceded Vietnam (NewsMax)
McCain Goes Nuts Near Senate Floor (NewsMax)
McCain's Out-of-Control Anger: Does He Have the Temperament to Be President? (NewsMax)
Vanity Fair Tiptoes Around McCain's Explosive Temper (NewsMax)
Endorsements:
Juan Hernandez, Open borders Advocate Endorses McCain (HotAir)
Republicans for Al Gore (Environmental Protection) Endorses McCain (Press Release)
The New York Times Endorses John McCain and Clinton (Reuters)
Foreign Policy:
McCain considers setting benchmarks for Iraqis (Arizona Daily Star)
McCain falls asleep during the State of the Union Address (Video)
McCain: No 'Torture' for 9/11 Mastermind (NewsMax)
McCain to Close Gitmo: "The first day I am President" (Video)
McCain: Torture Worked on Me (NewsMax)
Global Warming:
McCain and Lieberman Push for New Anti-Global Warming Legislation (The National Center for Public Policy Research)
Senators McCain and Lieberman Propose Energy Tax (The National Center for Public Policy Research)
"No drilling in ANWR, nor in the Everglades, nor off the coast of Florida... To think that drilling in ANWR is the solution to our incredible energy needs is frankly, is not keeping in the reality of what's there, and what it would take to get it out." - John McCain
"I always have a glass of ethanol before breakfast every morning" - John McCain
Illegal Immigration:
Open borders advocate Juan Hernandez has joined the McCain campaign (HotAir)
Juan Hernandez, McCain Advisor: Mexico First! (Video) (4min)
McCain Would Sign Amnesty Bill as President (Video)
John McCain gets a 'D' on his Immigration Voting Report Card (Americans for Better Immigration)
- McCain favors business lobbyists’ desires for foreign workers vs. protecting American workers’ wages and jobs
- McCain’s hopes of giving millions amnesty will saddle American taxpayers with huge costs of $20,000 per illegal per year
- McCain has taken the pro-amnesty position in nearly two dozen votes
- McCain only promises to make 2 million of the 12-20 million illegal aliens go home
John McCain Praises Pro-illegal Protests (NewsMax)
McCain aide touts 'Mexico first' policy (WorldNetDaily)
McCain: "Americans Will Not Pick Lettuce for $50 an Hour" (AFL-CIO)
McCain called plan 'amnesty' in 2003 (WorldNetDaily)
"I think we can set up a program where amnesty is extended to a certain number of people, Amnesty has to be an important part..." - John McCain, 2003
McCain: U.S. Should Welcome Illegal Immigrants (FOXNews)
McCain Voted For Illegal Immigrants To Collect Social Security (UC Daily News)
Michigan Crowd Boos McCain On Illegal Immigration (Video) (1min)
U.S. Border Patrol Agents Angry with McCain (NewsMax)
Marriage:
Christian Leader James Dobson says 'no way' to McCain candidacy (WorldNetDaily)
"I think that gay marriage should be allowed if there's a ceremony kind of thing, if you wanna call it that. I don't have any problem with that." - John McCain
McCain: Same-sex marriage ban is un-Republican (CNN)
Taxes:
"I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated." - John McCain
McCain: For and Against Tax Cuts (Video)
McCain Boasts That He Voted Against The Bush Tax Cuts (Video)
McCain Would Vote Against Tax Cuts Again (The Club for Growth)
- McCain sponsored and voted for an enormous 282% tax increase on cigarettes in 1998
- McCain was one of only two Republican to vote against the $1.35 trillion tax cut in 2001
- McCain was one of only two Republicans to twice vote against permanent repeal of the death tax in 2002
- McCain was one of only three Republican to twice vote against the $350 billion tax cut in 2003
McCain’s Costly Tax on Energy (National Review Online)
- The EPA Estimates Sen. McCain's Plan Would Hike Gas Taxes By 68 Cents Per Gallon
- The EPA Estimates Sen. McCain's Plan Would Reduce United States GDP By As Much As $5.2 Trillion
McCain Rejects Anti-Tax Pledge (CNSNews)
Veterans:
McCain Can't Buy His Way Out of Votes Against Funding for Veterans
- McCain Voted Against $19 Billion for Military Hospitals
- McCain Voted Against Amendment to Provide $2.8 Billion For Veterans' Medical Care
- McCain Voted Against 2005 Amendment to Provide Guaranteed Funding Stream for Veterans' Health Care
- McCain Voted Against Establishing $1 Billion Trust Fund to Provide Improvements to Military and Veterans' Health Facilities
- McCain Voted Against Adding $1.5 billion to Veterans' Medical Services in FY 2007 by Closing Corporate Tax Loopholes
- McCain Voted Against Mandatory Funding of $6.9 Billion in FY 2007 and $104 Billion Over Five Years for Veterans' Health Care
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→ Be strong funkdome
January 31, 2008 - 11:44 ET by Cool ArrowYou'll notice he jumps straight to "liar". It's always fun when he does that.
Certainly the guy has a following here. But posting a flood of links really doesn't translate into intelligent thought.
Google on a cople of buzzwords, paste them into MSWORD, and voilla! You can be a PopTech too.
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Now you are lying
January 31, 2008 - 11:49 ET by PopularTechFirst you tried to lie about me calling all veterans suckers and now are lying that I google buzzwords and use Microsoft Word. I research issues better than you and get the facts you are in denial of and I do not use Microsoft Word.
I call someone a liar when they lie. Can't handle the "Straight Talk"?
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→ Great PopTech
January 31, 2008 - 12:12 ET by Cool ArrowYou're always so quick with "liar" it's not even noticed anymore.
I don't care if you use Google or WebFerret. Anyone who wanted to rise to your level of flood links could accomplish it with any number of search engines.
You'll notice you tend to get all the accolades less than 30 minutes after posting a flood? It's obvious most people are just impressed at your bibliographic babble skills.
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Great Indeed
January 31, 2008 - 12:20 ET by PopularTechI am quick to call anyone who lies about what I said a liar, yes that is correct. Still don't like the "Straight Talk"?
Webferret? Try to keep up, I said I don't use Microsoft Word not Google. You have no concept of how I do my research so please don't try to guess.
I realize how embarrassing sourced links are that confirm my facts. Facts are funny things and with the Internet Juan "Mexico First" McCain cannot get out of them anymore.
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Yes, but posting a flood of
January 31, 2008 - 12:05 ET by SchnikeysYes, but posting a flood of facts or statistics that are reasonably well-backed up is a good way to strongly influence the collective opinion of a candidate. I say it's better for people like PopTech to do it now than for the MSM to wait until after the convention to screw us over.