
See updates for Huckabee, Thompson responses to this story at bottom.
Scratch Joe Scarborough from the list of those praising the performance of Fred Thompson at last night's South Carolina debate hosted by Fox News. With panelists Willie Geist and Mika Brzezinski in supporting roles, the Morning Joe host went off on Thompson today with stunning vitriol, deriding him as "Freddie boy" "pathetic," a "lapdog" and a "hatchet man" for John McCain.
JOE SCARBOROUGH: Last night it was so painfully obvious that Fred Thompson went to John McCain yesterday morning [affecting deep Thompsonesque voice] "if I can stay awake through this debate, I'll attack Huckabee for you."
View video here.
WILLIE GEIST: Yeah!SCARBOROUGH: That's exactly what he's doing. So now Thompson, this is the most, it's just easy to read. Thompson is now beating up Mike Huckabee for John McCain.
MIKA BRZEZINSKI: Yeah.
GEIST: He chooses now to wake out of his slumber. All of a sudden he's energetic, he's all over Mike Huckabee.
BRZEZINSKI: Oh. He's awake? I want to see him awake.
GEIST: Let's watch him go after Mike Huckabee.
Cut to clip of Thompson taking the bark off Huckabee's record and concluding "that's not the model of the Reagan coalition. That's the model of the Democratic party."
SCARBOROUGH: You know what's so great about that speech that Fred Thompson just gave? It was written by the same guy that wrote John McCain's horrid speech after New Hampshire.BRZEZINSKI: Oh my goodness, and he was reading it better than McCain was.
SCARBOROUGH: Yeah, he can read a little better than McCain because he's an actor.
BRZEZINSKI: Right, of course.
SCARBOROUGH: But the bottom line, I'm surprised that Fred woke up and was able to deliver that, and I'm surprised that he didn't read what was written at the bottom, which was "this political paid advertisement paid for by John McCain for President."
[Shouting to camera] Hey Fred! Hey Fred! If you're gonna act. If you're gonna be a hatchet man for John McCain, come on buddy, you gotta be a little less obvious about it. And you know what's going to happen? They're just going to help Mike Huckabee
. . .
SCARBOROUGH: Can you believe? That's so sad. That really is pathetic, that John McCain and Fred Thompson have been reduced to this, that they read a diatribe like that.
After a review of the latest polls, showing McCain leading by as many as nine points over Huckabee, Scarborough resumed his scalding.
SCARBOROUGH: McCain and Huckabee. Then they go to Florida, and they're going to be in Michigan first. We'll see if Freddie boy is still the lapdog.
GEIST: You know it's funny, he got a lot of points last night from the pundits after the debate, Fred Thompson, what a great debate he had, he came to life, he had energy. But as you point out, the motive might have been a little bit different than winning the nomination himself.
SCARBOROUGH: A hatchet man.
GEIST [with a certain dubiousness]: A hatchet man.
SCARBOROUGH: He's a hatchet man.
Huckabee is scheduled to be a Morning Joe guest later in the show. We'll see what he has to say. Look for Joe under, not on, the Straight Talk Express.
Update | 1-11 8:10 AM ET: 'Fred Needs Some Metamucil'
Huckabee, appearing just before 7 AM ET, went scatalogical in responding to Thompson.
JOE SCARBOROUGH: Last night, now tell me what was happening. It certainly looked like Fred Thompson was doing John McCain's bidding. You know Fred, I love him, I served with him up in Congress, but he's been asleep for the last couple months. He woke up last night, and he had a hatchet, and he used it all over your head now. What's going on here?
MIKE HUCKABEE: That he did.
SCARBOROUGH: Why?
HUCKABEE: Well, I think Fred needs some Metamucil. I think it would help a lot if he gets some. You know, he was in a bad mood last night.
BRZEZINSKI: Did he just say that?
HUCKABEE: But the truth is he's going to have to hope that this writers' guild strike ends soon. He needs some new lines, and he needs to get some good research. Because when he was out there calling me things like a liberal, of all the things I've been called that's a laughable line, that's gotta be one of the great ones.
View video here.
Update 10:36 | Matthew Sheffield. Via email, the Thompson campaign responds to Huckabee:
So Fred Thompson criticizes Huckabee's political positions, and Huckabee's response is...a juvenile personal insult? You stay classy, Huckabee.
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.





















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Wow, Mark
January 11, 2008 - 08:33 ET by Cool ArrowI certainly didn't see that coming.
Fred was a man of the people last night. I didn't see him playing running dog lackey for anybody.
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Oh, there's hatchet men out there alright...try the commentators
January 11, 2008 - 08:51 ET by WildBillSo afraid of Thompson's electability and likeability, the hatchet men of lib media must invent a negative (Fred stays in a sleepy semi-coma because he's over the hill), and then use this fictitious image everytime you mention him or bash with false innuendo or make-believe scenarios. This is the play book for lib media when you can't possibly ignore Fred's "newsworthyof the day" moments.
"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled, or hanged." -Abraham Lincoln
Huckabee on MSNBC
January 11, 2008 - 10:28 ET by pilsenerOne of the things I don't understand about Huckabee is why he picks a fight with Rush Limbaugh but cozies up to MSNBC. It sometimes appears that Huckabee believes that the MSM will carry him to the Republican nomination.
Fred should go after McAmnesty's Tax Record
January 11, 2008 - 10:47 ET by PopularTechMcCain Boasts That He Voted Against The Bush Tax Cuts (Video)
McCain Would Vote Against Tax Cuts Again (The Club for Growth)
- He sponsored and voted for an enormous 282% tax increase on cigarettes in 1998
- He was one of only two Republican senators to oppose the 2001 tax cuts
- He was one of only three Republican senators to oppose the 2003 reductions
- He supported an amendment sponsored by Senator John D. Rockefeller (D-WV) to prohibit a reduction in the top tax rate until Congress enacted legislation to provide a prescription drug benefit
- He supported an amendment sponsored by Senator Russ Feingold (D-WI) against full repeal of the Death Tax
- He voted against repealing the Death Tax in 2002
Huckabee: Raising Taxes OK
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In my opinion Thompson won
January 11, 2008 - 11:55 ET by BDIn my opinion Thompson won the debate last night. Someof his jokes did not connect well, but his logic was SPOT ON and it showed.
The others were simply posturing.
Could have been written another way....
January 11, 2008 - 09:04 ET by OldSailor88"Pathetic Lapdog Joe Scarborough, Hatchet Man for Democrat Party."
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None of them ever said a
January 11, 2008 - 09:11 ET by motherbeltNone of them ever said a word about HRC's "knight in shining armor," the now-withdrawn suck-up Bill Richardson, but now they go after Thompson?
What on earth makes them think that Fred Thompson is sucking up to McCain and doing his dirty work for him? He couldn't have been criticizing Huckabee for himself?
They have no reason to think that Thompson is in this for anyone but himself and yet they go this route? Are they that desperate for material to beat someone up with?
And as for "reading his speech," he referred to notes. Beats the hell out of Her Royal Clintoness flailing around with "you know" after every fourth word while she gathers her thoughts.
Good point Mb, They say
January 11, 2008 - 09:33 ET by USA4freedomGood point Mb,
They say nothing about Richards total kiss up. Pleeeeeeesssspick me for VP. I will lick you boots every day.
Then go after Fred for stating the truth?
More examples of watch who the MSM goes after. That is the pick for us.
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Lap Dogs
January 11, 2008 - 09:09 ET by AgnosticI see two lap dogs and thier names are Geist and Brzezinki. It almost seems their like they are salivating waiting for the lead dog to finish his attack so they can pick up some scraps. Pathetic.
This show can't even be pretending that they deliver news in any format with this type of dialogue. They could have gotten this type of analysis from dog and the neighbors cat.
P.S. Not sold on Fred but liked his white papers and the fact that he is the only one to stand up to the media.
You're right, and Joe
January 11, 2008 - 09:15 ET by motherbeltYou're right, and Joe Scarborough is the worst of the bunch, because he is supposed to be the lead. He is becoming one of those Republicans who is constantly trying to show Democrats that he's not as bad as they think (an "even Republican") ; and then, to prove it, he trashes one of his buddies.
Ex GOP REp
January 11, 2008 - 10:14 ET by NortoJS is always referred to in the media as an ex-gop Rep, and not a former Rep(Fl-gop). Get the Diff. He is in fact an ex-gop as far as I am concerned he sold his soul to you know who.
Harsh
January 11, 2008 - 09:11 ET by HadEnoughI think there are other issues Joe has w/ "Freddie Boy". Sounds personal to me. Maybe he is mad that Fred has a hot wife.
By the way, Joe's two helpers, in my opinion are the lap dogs
I watched the entire debate
January 11, 2008 - 09:24 ET by mytwocentsI watched the entire debate and Joe's comments are pathetic. He is coming close to Keith O. in being the Loser for the Year! Fred Thompson easily won that debate and the loser Joe can't stand it.
I am speechless. Where did
January 11, 2008 - 09:29 ET by USA4freedomI am speechless. Where did that come from? Lapdog? Did he forget his meds today?
Its funny, helping Mc Cain? Uh...
Well like I said I’m speechless.
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Seems to me that Mr.
January 11, 2008 - 09:27 ET by Pete WilsonSeems to me that Mr. Scarborough has become the Chris Matthews of the morning shift. I am not surprised that this RINO is attacking Fred. I am a little surprised that he seems to be a "lap dog" for McCain.
Fred better not endorse McAmnesty
January 11, 2008 - 09:35 ET by PopularTechThe only thing good about this is that he went after the Huckster. My problem is if he decides to endorse McAmnesty in which case I will lose all respect for him. Unless Fred shows up in South Carolina and especially Florida he has to pull out.
McCain is an idiot if he wants to fight Global Warming.
John McCain - McCain and Lieberman Push for New Anti-Global Warming Legislation (The National Center for Public Policy Research)
John McCain - Senators McCain and Lieberman Propose Energy Tax (The National Center for Public Policy Research)
Rush is the only person that has the balls to go after McAmnesty on his capitulation to the eco-nazis.
Huckabee: Raising Taxes OK
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Joe is slipping toward the dark side
January 11, 2008 - 09:42 ET by c5thenHis time at MSNBC is slowly and inexoriably pulling him toward the dark side (liberal). Huckabee is a RINO and a moderate. Fred makes that abundantly clear and now the MSM doesn't like that. I'm supposed to be suprized?
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
It was obvious that Thompson went after Huckabee
January 11, 2008 - 09:43 ET by Dee Bunkbecause they are the two southerners. Thompson wants the votes of those who think Huckabee is conservative just because he is religious. Scarborough is the biggest lap dog around.
Fred's right though...
January 11, 2008 - 09:58 ET by fonzie2178Huckabee is as big a RINO as McCain is. Huck is not a conservative by virtue of being a religious man, just look at his record. The scary part is he has been able to fool people for so long. We all know if the MSM has to put up with another Republican they want Huck or McCain. There is a reason for this!! Fred is a true conservative and that scares the hell out of them. They have nothing on him so they are reduced to politics of unfounded personal attack.
I agree that Fred is right
January 11, 2008 - 10:08 ET by Dee BunkI think he's going to do much better in SC than most people think. The audience loved him and so did the focus group.
Why Huck, but not Fred?
January 11, 2008 - 09:51 ET by Six String SpiffHow can 'Conservatives' in NH and IO possible vote for Huck when the only thing that might be useful is the fact that he's an Evangelical. BFD. Oh wait... those were liberal states. Hey Huck! Get ready to drop like a ROCK! heh heh
Drop like a rock
January 11, 2008 - 09:55 ET by Cool ArrowThat's when Bishop Romney can move in
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Hey SSS
January 11, 2008 - 10:00 ET by fonzie2178The abbreviation is IA. And I voted for Fred. So KMA buddy.
Fonzie Yeah I had a brain fart woops
January 11, 2008 - 14:10 ET by Six String SpiffIslamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily.
SSS, sorry about
January 11, 2008 - 16:31 ET by fonzie2178the KMA. I get a lot of crap being from Iowa. There are a few real conservatives here. Apologies.
Actions speak louder than words.
January 11, 2008 - 10:39 ET by StephCWhat's evangelical about a guy who claims he's evangelical but makes statements like this one?
At one of the other debates, talking the talk versus walking the talk was discussed. Huckabee doesn't walk the talk.
Metamucil
January 11, 2008 - 10:45 ET by Cool ArrowI don't see how Metamucil comments are out of character for a Christian.
He could have said "take a little wine for your stomach", I guess.
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You're being literal
January 11, 2008 - 15:02 ET by StephCwhen the comment wasn't about the fact that Huckster used Metamucil. It's the fact that he made such a statement on National TV, regardless of whether it was Metamucil, wine, or anything else. It was a personal attack and as an evangelical you'd think Huckster would ascribe to the Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Does his doing that signify he'd like to be personally attacked in such a denigrating way? Had he attacked Thompson's facts or countered those facts with facts that might have been left out of Thompson's attack, that would be one thing but to resort to such a very public personal attack is not very evangelical.
personal attack is not very evangelical.
January 11, 2008 - 15:20 ET by vrwc13Thanks for setting me straight on how to be or not to be an evangelical...no more sly humor for me!
v
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Cool Arrow,
January 11, 2008 - 16:41 ET by upcountrywaterThe Husker is just saying, Fred you are full of POO, and I have the cure.
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I see
January 11, 2008 - 20:18 ET by StephCSo saying someone is full of POO on National TV is alright?
So, if I said you're full of POO on here in front of all the other readers, that'd be real Christian of me?
You bring up a good point.
January 11, 2008 - 11:09 ET by Hero SquadYou bring up a good point. Should there be no clear nominee prior to the convention, the Republican party would be wise to look at which candidate fared best in Red and Purple states and target him as the nom. Just to be sure, tell the delegates from solid blue states that the convention has been moved to Pismo Beach. Just toin left at Albuquerque.
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Fact checking
January 11, 2008 - 09:52 ET by jitumaluI think there should be a factcheck run on Fred attacks on Huckabee. I'm sure someone will do it. He was very loose with the facts, and I agree that was a good strategy on the part of Fred to do it because it sticks in the minds of voters. It's pretty shameful, regardless.
http://justinok.blog...
Loose with what facts? He gave some, where are yours?
January 11, 2008 - 10:04 ET by Dee BunkLoose with what facts? He gave some, where are yours?
JOE SCARBOROUGH: Last
January 11, 2008 - 10:06 ET by USA4freedomJOE SCARBOROUGH: Last night, now tell me what was happening.It certainly looked like Fred Thompson was doing John McCain's bidding. You know Fred, I love him, I served with him up in Congress, but he's been asleep for the last couple months. He woke up last night, and he had a hatchet, and he used it all over your head now. What's going on here?
Let me go slow for you Joe, Huckabee has some of the voters that Fred wants. I know that is a little hard to envision, but try to think of it as a PIE, if ,.. (sorry if I’m going too fast for you) if the other guy gets a smaller piece of the pie you might get a bigger piece.
Jerk.
I tell you what, I LIKE FRED IN A BAD MOOD.
I think I would put an add out: I’m Fred Thompson, I take Metamucil and I still think that Mike Huckabee is a liberal.
Back to Jo Scarborough, with friends like that who need enemies. What a jerk.
I wonder if Brzezinski would be laughing so hard if John Edwards would have said, Hillary needs some midal.
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On the other hand,
January 11, 2008 - 10:15 ET by IamTinmanIt's common in todays modern media to, go after the messenger when you can't dispute the facts. If Fred Thompson was correct in his comments then Scarboro is a cretin (We already know his two toadies are). If Fred was inaccurate, then instead of personal attacks on Fred, Scarboro ought to be pointing out the inaccuracies. Unfortunately he took the easy and sleazy path.
It was a totally classless performance this morning. No wonder MSNBC has such pathetic ratings.
If is a big word...
January 11, 2008 - 13:42 ET by Clear thinkerI have not had time yet to look into Joe's claim, but I will put my money on Fred being right. He's one of the more intelligent candidates we have.
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
jit... The only shameful
January 11, 2008 - 15:13 ET by bigtimerjit...
The only shameful thing is that Fred hasn't been doing this a lot earlier.
Fred got his facts straight, it the Huckster who thinks he is cute by half with his one liners which are getting quite tiring anymore and only useful to the leftists who want him to be the one they defeat in the end.
Simple as that.
MSM attacks the Winner...you can always tell
January 11, 2008 - 10:30 ET by JayTeeWant to know who won the Republican Debate ? Wait for the Attack Dogs of MSM to point to Him.
When you become predictable, you're no longer entertaining.....and besides entertainment, why would you be watching MSNBC ? There's only ONE fact they can deliver...the Winner of the Debates IS.......anyone called a Lapdog by MSNBC.
Incredulous?
January 11, 2008 - 10:32 ET by CaringwhiteguySo you are all incredulous that backroom dealing takes place in the political process? And you've all totally dismissed the possibility that two or more candidates may work over another candidate? And the Prefect of Police was shocked to find gambling going on at Rick's Cafe.
Scarbrough
January 11, 2008 - 10:35 ET by Cool ArrowIt's highly unlikely Fred was sucking up to Shamus McAnus. His attack was for his own campaign.
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January 11, 2008 - 11:36 ET by dahliatraversThat's right.
Unless Scarborough had specific inside information that Thompson was acting for McCain (which he should now cite), his outburst was baseless and bewildering.
Fred scares them again...
January 11, 2008 - 10:35 ET by orlandocajunThe liberals in the MSM has to look out for their trojan horse (Huckabee). He's their backup plan for the election in case Hillary or Obama don't win. With Huckabee, they still get a liberal.
Thompson scared them last night as it appeared that he was taking the gloves off which is exactly what conservatives have been waiting for. The fact is that Huckabee didn't rebut anything that Thompson said. He just went into his customary rhetorical rant about his record as Govenor and didn't address a single issue that Fred mentioned.
Joe is an
January 11, 2008 - 10:29 ET by DarkseanJoe is an embarassment.
Also, the dude is totally in the tank for the Huckster. I saw some footage this past weekend of him doing the bass guitar thing and Joe was the guitarist in that band.
Darksean
January 11, 2008 - 10:36 ET by Cool ArrowI like Huckabee, though I have not decided on him.
But you're right. These guys need to be a lot more open about the horse they're backing.
Reporters should be as squeaky clean as cops should be. The local cop can't let the local mobster pick up his tab, and reporters need to wean themselves from candidates.
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Joe S
January 11, 2008 - 10:51 ET by Delsawhat is wrong with Joe. I think the drugs he takes for his back pain have hurt his thought process. Huckabee is NOT a choice if you a Conservative. Scarborough is Pathetic.
I don't know about the rest of you...
January 11, 2008 - 10:52 ET by Prester John...but I am getting tired of Huckabee's constant attempts at humor. You're running for Commander in Chief there Governor, not Comedian in Chief.
I'm with Fred.
Scarborough asleep?
January 11, 2008 - 11:20 ET by mustangsallyFunny that Joe would accuse Fred of appearing to be asleep. Half the time, I can't tell if Joe's eyes are open or not. Perhaps a little botox would help. Or he could paint open eyes on his glasses ....
Media wants an easy win for Dems
January 11, 2008 - 11:25 ET by William PhelpsTo me, I think the media wants people like Fred Thompson, John McCain, and Romney out of the running. They support Huckabee because they know he can be beaten by any of the top three democratic candidates. Huckabee is taking it hook, line, and sinker....probably thinking that he really CAN win the debates against Hillary or Obama.
Huckabee repeats the same lines, and he says them so that you can tell he is regurgitating his notes. You have to be able to think on your feet. Romney thinks on his feet the best, but he has a shifty past of leaning toward liberal. He seems sincere now, but there really is no way to tell what he's saying just to get elected. McCain says some of the same catch phrases like "They call me the Sheriff" or Anbar Province this and that. Even though he can think on his feet, he spouts too much rhetoric first, so it begins to annoy people.
Fred Thompson showed last night that he could think on his feet, albeit people were somewhat upset about the tardiness of it. He's really not late. We are coming up to the first Southern primary, which is where conservatives pick up steam. In past elections, the candidates are usually behind until right before the Feb 5th primaries happen. I think he is lining stuff up right.
Huckabee is a fool
January 11, 2008 - 11:54 ET by WiggyHuckabee is no conservative.
Huckabee is no conservative. says Wiggy et al
January 11, 2008 - 15:27 ET by vrwc13But what do others think?
http://newsbusters.o...
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vr... Wiggy's
January 11, 2008 - 15:29 ET by bigtimervr...
Wiggy's right!
JMHO...I'm one of the others.
Yeah BT...seen your posts
January 11, 2008 - 15:32 ET by vrwc13Yeah BT...seen your posts too. Got any reasons (i.e. facts) to base it on?
v
I have posted numerous
January 11, 2008 - 15:37 ET by bigtimerI have posted numerous links numerous times vr as you well know when Huckabee got into this race for others to see regarding his record...I'm not digging them out again.
The record speaks for itself...he just dances around his record with his one liners and his other blather in sheeps clothing...snake oil salesman at his finest IMO....Hillay wishes she could have just half his talent at spin....at least he convinces some people all of the time...and is likeable.
For BT, Wiggy and others with HDS...
January 11, 2008 - 15:42 ET by vrwc13Try out this site and see how "far off" you are from the "Hucksters" positions!
http://www.votehelp....
Then get back to me...I would like the feedback.
v
Yeah, logic, reason, facts play less of a role now in the way we make decisions in America. – Al Gore
1.) Huckabee wishes to
January 11, 2008 - 15:43 ET by BD1.) Huckabee wishes to close Guantanamo because of how it looks, rather than its efectiveness. Not conservative.
2.) Huckabee is against Educational vouchers. not conservatives.
3.) Huckabee has pledged to not raise taxes, but his history does not bely that. Not conservative.
4.) Huckabee is for increased government spending in a populist manner. Not conservative.
Need more?
Good "talking points"...got
January 11, 2008 - 15:45 ET by vrwc13Good "talking points"...got support?
v
try this: http://www.votehelp....
WOw! A Huckabee
January 11, 2008 - 15:51 ET by tracheostomyWOw! A Huckabee supporter. I've been looking for one here for what. . .2 or 3 weeks now?
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
can you prove him wrong?
January 11, 2008 - 15:51 ET by Conservative Voicecan you prove him wrong? You can't rewrite history no matter how much you are emotionally attached to Huck. He isn't a conservative, other than with guns, abortion and gay marriage.
You aren't being intellectually honest if you claim facts are nothing more than talking points.
Yes. I have observed him
January 11, 2008 - 15:53 ET by BDYes. I have observed him make these statements in TV appearances or in debates over the past six months. The portion that deals with his record is in the public record.
If you wish I can discuss each in detail. Perform some analysis for you.
Unlike SARC, I will not simply link to to another page.
vr... I had to leave for
January 11, 2008 - 15:53 ET by bigtimervr...
I had to leave for a few...BD answered you with the example of some of Hucksters own words last night...
I was going to post my list some of them like BD's but I know by now it would be useless time spent with you and for me.
I have all respect for all of our choices to vote for who we want, but it would be useless to try and convince you of what is and has been right in front of your face with the mans' own words..he dances that is all he does...
I do have one question for you though vr...when the msm seems to fall in lust with any so-called conservative (which is always a RINO like McCain for example) and gush over him non-stop doesn't your brain automatically wonder what is wrong with this picture?
Just curious here vr....very curious.
Is Vrwc the only one on NB
January 11, 2008 - 15:56 ET by tracheostomyIs Vrwc13 the only one on NB who openly supports Huckabee, or is there anyone else?
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Hey trach... Where have
January 11, 2008 - 16:01 ET by bigtimerHey trach...
Where have you been regarding support on here for Huck?
I'm laughing with you here not at you but this has been going on quite awhile and I have seen you here when this is going on, you must be on other threads or such...maybe a TM thread eh?
Btw...Cool Arrow supports Huck I think...last I read anyway. I know there has been others just can't think of the names at the moment.
I want to ask you the same question I asked vr...when the msm gushes over a so-called conservative which is always a RINO doesn't something in your brain go ALERT... ALERT...you know send out red flags?
Just curious.
I take everything the MSM
January 11, 2008 - 16:05 ET by tracheostomyI take everything the MSM says with a grain of salt. I don't put much trust in polls either. I believe the MSM really believes they are the fourth branch of government. You see that little bone fly out of their mouth on Charlie Rose, and Imus, and such when they get all relaxed and careless.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
trach... Okay Okay with
January 11, 2008 - 16:13 ET by bigtimertrach...
Okay Okay with all of that...but I was specifically referring to the msm and their supposed love for Huck.
Doesn't something about that, just that make you stop and wonder why...everything is an agenda for them, in this case they want him for dessert in the end...he is an end to their means...easy prey which he falls right into their trap, he may think he is smarter than they are by half and he is using them, but that is not what is going to happen IMO.
So anyway I ask you specifically about the relationship with the msm and their false love for him?
I think the MSM is more
January 11, 2008 - 16:23 ET by tracheostomyI think the MSM is more sensationalist than agenda-driven, but only a touch more. They're more overt than they have been in the past, but it's not to the point of saying, "OMG, support this GOP candidate because he's more liberal/more likely to lose."
Their main priority is to go after a story that will cause alot of hand-wringing and chatter. It's like other NBers have said in the past, the goal is to create drama and a divisive environment among conservatives, while at the same time make liberals think their side is the one promising more "order", "control", and "change."
No, I don't think Huckabee is very smart either. My local former SBC pastor would be better at answering questions with the MSM.
In my opinion, Huck's shown quite a bit of naivete with interviewers, "D'oh, you said that was off the record!" IMO, he also has no sense of how he appears to others. The PR hunting outfit left a real bad taste in my mouth, not to mention his statements about shooting other candidates.
Hope that helps. Tried to answer the best I could.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
trach... Thanks and you
January 11, 2008 - 16:30 ET by bigtimertrach...
Thanks and you did answer all I was wondering about.
Still love your tag-line.
Wonder who ol' tumbster is supporting these days...lol..couldn't even be old McCain... if he trusted him that is.
I highly doubt Cool Arrow
January 11, 2008 - 16:08 ET by tracheostomyI highly doubt Cool Arrow is a Huckabee supporter. I'd have to see a direct quote. CA really does his homework. I am bouncing back and forth between Rudy and Thompson myself. I took the online surveys posted awhile back and came up Duncan Hunter.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
trach.... LOL...I think
January 11, 2008 - 16:18 ET by bigtimertrach....
LOL...I think we intersected here...
...anyway Cool can answer for himself just fine...he may be going back and forth now, not sure ...but pretty sure he was a Huck supporter in the beginning, I could be wrong that's for sure, too lazy to archive at the moment.
Thompson/Hunter '08
Btw...what happened to Hunter last night...anyone know? Not enough ratings or something? At least he has a delegate or two I think.
I tried it!
January 11, 2008 - 16:11 ET by William PhelpsIt showed that I am most in line with Fred. Huck is third on my list. Of course Fred's is based on what he believes while Huckabee's is based on what he believes people want to hear from him.
Anything???
January 11, 2008 - 16:15 ET by William PhelpsAnything???
Im a Fred guy. Then Huck
January 11, 2008 - 16:18 ET by bassndudeIm a Fred guy. Then Huck then Romney. Hillary and Edwards and that Dennis guy are at the bottom of my list...he he he...
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Not Relevant
January 11, 2008 - 12:43 ET by richb313Joe Scarborough is about as relevant as the dandelions growing in my lawn. They are an annoyance and I can't seem to get rid of them. I think that the medias dislike of Fred Thompson, and this includes Fox, has more to do with Freds disdain of the press. Remember the big hubub when Fred ditched the debate and appeared on Leno instead? How many more million viewers did Fred get than all the candidates who appeared on that way too eary debate.
Fred isn't playing by the rules that the Media have come up with to run OUR political process. I do not care what the media thinks and frankly it is no ones beeswax but my own what I think. The only thing I am interested in right now is what the candidates think, and all the media is giving very little to none of that. Instead we have repeated stories adnauseum about the standing in the polls, who has the most money, who looked better, who read from his speech. It is all style over substance. If Abraham Lincoln were alive and running today all the media would be trashing him for his looks and not a one of them would listen to him.
Huckabee a RINO and Liberal...help me out here please...
January 11, 2008 - 13:35 ET by vrwc13"Admit it. You Huckabees are willing to vote this liberal into office..." RJ
This is from a professional site dealing with stats and polls:
Candidate / Conservative / Moderate / Liberal
Thompson / 45 / 25 / 7
Huckabee / 43 / 24 / 9
Romney / 42 / 28 / 8
McCain / 31 / 45 / 8
Guiliani / 29 / 43 / /16
Paul / 23 / 27 / 11
http://www.rasmussen...
Throughout this thread and others many are calling Huckabee a RINO and/or liberal.
Can anyone calling Huckabee a RINO or a liberal show some facts or other rankings disputing the above....or is it just opinion and rhetoric?
v
"Faith doesn't just influence me. It really defines me. I don't have to wake up every day wondering what do I need to believe," Huckabee says in the ad. "Let us never sacrifice our principles for anybody's politics. Not now, not ever."
vrwc...
January 11, 2008 - 13:38 ET by Clear thinkerJust because people that were polled said he was conservative does not ake it true. I suggest you look at his record, not a poll of people that Huckabee has smooth talked.
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
And being an expert on his record, could you tell me about it?
January 11, 2008 - 14:41 ET by vrwc13And being an expert on his record, could you tell me about it? And how it relates to him being either a RINO or liberal?
v
You can call someone anything you want, but if you don't have the facts to back it up...are you right?
edit: crickets anyone?
NB...who decides who is conservative and who is not?
January 11, 2008 - 14:39 ET by vrwc13"Just because people that were polled said he was conservative does not make it true."
So what makes it true? Whose opinion? Who is the expert on what a conservative is?
The people of SC think:
Fred Thompson and Mike Huckabee are viewed as politically conservative by most South Carolina Primary Voters—Thompson by 57% and Huckabee by 51%. Forty-two percent (42%) say Romney is politically conservative, 36% hold that view of McCain, and 33% believe Paul is a conservative. At the bottom of the list is Rudy Giuliani, just 10% view him as politically conservative while 85% say moderate or liberal.
v
edit: crickets anyone?
who is conservative
January 11, 2008 - 16:25 ET by Conservative Voice"Who is the expert on what a conservative is?"
simple, Rush Limbaugh.
Seriously though the problem with the label conservative and liberal is it means something different to different people. For example clear calls Romney a RINO, I do not.
I will do my best to define what a conservative is...
1. Believes in limited government, which is defined by less government spending, lower taxes, and giving more responsibility to the individual.
Huckabee gets a D-
2. Believes everyone is equal under the law, which means does not engage in class warfare, fights against taxing progressively ( the rich more )
Huckabee gets an F
3. Is a constitutionalist, hence is not for gun control, does not see the Bill of Rights as limiting individual rights, understands property rights...
Though Huck is great on the guns, he fails with wanting to nanny smoking ( among other social agendas he has )...so he gets a D-.
4. Is not ashamed to be a capitalist and individual freedom...considers red tape a great evil.
Huckabee is not a capitalist. grade D
5. Though may not believe in God, a conservative believes in traditional "Christian" values, or family values...ie a Boy Scout ( trustworthy, loyal, helpful, etc. ) Believes in enforcing laws to this effect ( drinking / drug, sex, murder, etc ) but that these laws are usually better enforced on a local level than on a federal level. The law and justice is very important to conservatives. Which is why illegal immigration is an important issue.
Huckabee gets a C-...he certainly is a "Christian" but tends to forgive criminals and illegals instead of enforcing the law.
Hence Huckabee is not a conservative. He is a liberal, who happens to be on the right in regards to guns, abortion, and gay marriage.
A poll to determine conservatism....wow!
January 11, 2008 - 15:58 ET by William PhelpsHow about records? Fred listed his credentials at every debate I watched. Huckabee says what he thinks America should be, but he never explains how he would do that as a conservative....that's because he's not sure what a real conservative should say. He claims he gave 90 or so tax cuts in Arkansas, but fails to mention that they were part of one or two projects (not 90 as would be assumed by listeners) and that they were far out-matched by his increases. This article shows that his taxes were up $642 million
Since most citizens responded to current debates saying that they wanted stronger economic focus, I would imagine that a bad taxing history wouldn't impress many conservatives. This conservative isn't impressed. The Fair Tax is a great thing to put on your to do list, but he just says he would "Move toward passage of the Fair Tax." Wow! Maybe I'll "move toward voting for him," but I'm not actually going to vote for him.
Huckabee pardons like a Clinton on top of that. He had more pardons and clemencies than his three predecessors combined; one of them was Bill Clinton!
I also don't trust people who expose their Christianity as often as he does, especially when they want something from me. I have no problems with religious politicians. However, I've dealt with sales people and the like in persuasive arguments many times. The dirtiest and sleaziest of them always play the Jesus card trying to play on your higher likelihood to believe a "fellow Christian." Politicians are similar to sales people when running for office. Playing to the crowd is a well known liberal tactic.
Is all that a good enough description of why Huckabee is being called liberal?!?
I saw this segment.... to
January 11, 2008 - 14:31 ET by bigtimerI saw this segment....
to just ignore Joe and his pathetic tripe this morning I am sick of the Huckster's one liners that he thinks are so ingenious and funny.
The leftists in the msm want the Huckster to win so they can beat him like a wicked step-child...it is that simple, and the Huckster is playing right into their hands....just like the winking blinking McCain did and still does.
Getting very old.... very fast.