Let's play a Wednesday night game of WIARHSI: What If a Republican Had Said It? What if a top GOP consultant compared Barack Obama to a "dog"?
James Carville, who acknowledged he was serving as an unpaid consultant to the Clinton campaign, used the metaphor on tonight's Larry King.
View video here.
LARRY KING: What is your role, Jim? Are you involved in this campaign?
JAMES CARVILLE: I am friendly with the campaign. I give them advice, like today, I'd be glad to share the advice I gave. I said look, Senator Obama is coming after y'all, he was bragging today he comes from the rough and tumble of Chicago politics. And I said: "be ready, he put you on notice. This hope stuff, forget about that, he's coming after it. I understand he's been hit. And he's like any politician that's been hit, you know, it's a hit dog that barks, and we're going to see a lot of barking from Senator Obama."
And the Clinton people better batten down, because David [Axelrod, chief Obama strategist] and people like that who grew up in Chicago politics, they know the rough and tumble of politics, and they know how to do this, and Senator Obama today put them on notice and I hope they take that notice seriously.
KING: Are you therefore a non-paid consultant?
CARVILLE: Yes, I don't make it. I haven't taken a nickel in any domestic political consulting since 1994. But I'm friendly with them, but I'm friendly with David too, but --
KING: Is James Carville right? Is your candidate now slugging?
DAVID AXELROD: Of course not. If there was barking dogs in New Hampshire, Larry, they were barking over in the Clinton camp. I mean, President Clinton and others were out there pounding away. Look, I understand that that's a tactic, and James is the best in the business. I feel like we must be making progress if they drag the Hall of Famers out to talk for them on the air.
So, will we be seeing outraged cries in the MSM about the mean-spirited, and who knows what else, nature of Carville's canine analogy? Why do I have a funny feeling the liberal media won't bark?
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.
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So, will we be seeing
January 9, 2008 - 23:22 ET by balboaSo, will we be seeing outraged cries in the MSM about the mean-spirited, and who knows what else, nature of Carville's canine analogy?
No?
Obviously James Carville was
January 9, 2008 - 23:30 ET by Jerry MackObviously James Carville was misquoted , taken out of context or it was an inside joke that only he and Obama understood. ( just ask the msm)
so true, Jerry
January 9, 2008 - 23:55 ET by j17ghsYou are so funny and so correct! You give me hope that maybe the MSM has become so predictable that even the masses will wise up before November. (OK, I need to get real -- maybe before November 2050, er, 2075.)
The return of Carville, the
January 9, 2008 - 23:32 ET by zhombreThe return of Carville, the Clinton camp assassin. Nonpaid consultant, my butt. He and that ferret Begala are probably the nastiest political hitmen since Joe McCarthy employed Cohn & Schine back in the Fifties. And the Cajun looks like one of the desert mutants from The Hill Have Eyes movies.
McCarville
January 9, 2008 - 23:39 ET by j17ghsMcCarthy was stomped out quickly by early Carville prototypes and a hostile media. Carville on the other hand elects Marxists to office and the media praise him. Big difference, dude.
I'll concede the point.
January 9, 2008 - 23:47 ET by zhombreI'll concede the point. And Cohn actually was better looking than Carville. But no by much.
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Disagree...McCarthy was
January 9, 2008 - 23:51 ET by JerDisagree...McCarthy was stomped out--but not quickly. And when he was, it was in large part due to his turning against the Eisenhower administration.
Jer
Yeah, gosh, why was the
January 10, 2008 - 00:15 ET by balboaYeah, gosh, why was the media so hard on poor ol' McCarthy?
There were communists and
January 10, 2008 - 11:01 ET by ahusserThere were communists and communist spies in the State Department; The Rosenbergs were guilty of treason; There were communists in Hollywood. If the US had been Russia the hollywood types would not have been black listed they would have been executed or sent to the Gulag. It's funny how McCarthy actually was right.
The overwhelming majority
January 10, 2008 - 11:59 ET by JerThe overwhelming majority of those who were actually guilty of espionage, or were legitimate security threats, were discovered, investigated, revealed, punished or sanctioned by the FBI and other intelligence agencies, the Truman and Eisenhower administrations, and the U.S. judiciary.
Richard Nixon and Whittaker Chambers deserve credit for their determined pursuit and exposure of Alger Hiss.
Joe McCarthy was at best an intelligent and engaging, albeit opportunistic and exploitive, politcian; and, at worst, a reckless, thuggish, drunken demogogue who accomplished little save the careless destruction of individual reputations and a subversion of the more noble ideals of our democracy--while making a mockery of civil liberties by adroitly wielding a club of guilt by association.
As a commie hunter, he was essentially a flop.
Jer
"Overwhelming majority?"
January 10, 2008 - 12:15 ET by RJ"The overwhelming majority of those who were actually guilty of espionage, or were legitimate security threats, were discovered, investigated, revealed, punished or sanctioned by the FBI and other intelligence agencies, the Truman and Eisenhower administrations, and the U.S. judiciary."
"Overwhelming majority?" Perhaps, perhaps not. If you had statistics on those who successfully eluded discovery, you might be able to use the phrase. After all, isn't eluding the operative word for spies, moles, et al?
Mccarthy had the right idea but went about it badly.
BTW, your description of him applies to many, many Congressmen...Teddie Kennedy comes to mind.
OK, RJ...but just
January 10, 2008 - 13:00 ET by JerOK, RJ...but just because I like you, insert found to be between the words "actually" and "guilty"...delete the word "were" before "legitimate security threats...and change "The overwhelming majority" to Almost all.
Statistics on those never discovered would be trying to prove a negative, don't you think?
Anyway, is that better, or do you still have some quibbles? <wink>
Jer
More "comradely" rattling of your cage than quibbling, Jer
January 10, 2008 - 13:09 ET by RJ...but since we can't identify "those never discovered" any quantative statements are just guesses, right? :^)
Agreed, comrade...but I'm
January 10, 2008 - 13:42 ET by JerAgreed, comrade...but I'm going to try to find my old copy of "Tailgunner Joe" and see if there may be some interesting facts to share.
Jer
I don't know...the Repubs
January 9, 2008 - 23:45 ET by JerI don't know...the Repubs have fielded quite a few who would give Roy and Dave a run for their money: Murray Chotiner, Chuck Colson [before his religious conversion], Lee Atwater, Floyd Brown...
Jer
Jer-ism
January 9, 2008 - 23:51 ET by j17ghsAnd how many got "ism" put after their names and maligned historically in order to protect subversive Marxist politics? Uh, I'll give you a clue. The answer starts with a "Z" -- as in zero. Go home, little dog.
Go home little dog? The
January 9, 2008 - 23:53 ET by shawn228Go home little dog?
The msm, politicans, Romney and the family dog
j17ghs...Thanks, but I
January 9, 2008 - 23:55 ET by Jerj17ghs...Thanks, but I don't need clues from someone as ignorant of history as you.
Jer
a Marxist is born every minute
January 9, 2008 - 23:58 ET by j17ghsIf you know so much, then refute me intelligently. To paraphrase PT Barnum, a Marxist is born every minute.
J just hope Jer can come
January 10, 2008 - 00:00 ET by shawn228I just hope Jer can come up with something as witty and intelligent as "go home little dog"
The msm, politicans, Romney and the family dog
Don't worry, Shawn. It's
January 10, 2008 - 00:45 ET by JerDon't worry, Shawn. It's not even fun to take advantage of someone's demonstrable lack of knowledge.
You've probably seen the movie Notorious with Cary Grant, Ingrid Bergman, and Claude Rains. Toward the end, Rains confesses to his mother that he has been duped by his double agent wife [Bergman] thereby jeopardizing their post-war South American Nazi cabal. Whereupon Mom [a classically menacing Madame Konstantin] assures--just barely--her disgraced son, "well, at least for now, you are protected by the enormity of your stupidity."
Same goes for the l'il dog guy.
Jer
It requires that you debate
January 10, 2008 - 00:01 ET by JerIt requires that you debate intelligently.
Jer
Does "non-paid" make him
January 10, 2008 - 07:27 ET by motherbeltDoes "non-paid" make him any less of a consultant? He is a consultant. This way the Clinton campaign can say "He is not on staff. We have no control over what he says."
Big, fat, hairy deal.
}}---> Nonpaid
January 10, 2008 - 07:31 ET by Cool ArrowI think it just makes him a lady in waiting.
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Carville is pure Eville
January 9, 2008 - 23:37 ET by j17ghsIf the HillBilly team get relected (and doesn't this violate the constitutional amendment limiting presidential terms to two?), then Carville will resume Nazi experimentation on children, this time under the guise of doing stem-cell research. Count on it.
Wow. Political strategist
January 10, 2008 - 14:33 ET by cleverpigWow. Political strategist and cutting-edge biomedical researcher. I had no idea Carville was so multi-talented!
carville
January 9, 2008 - 23:50 ET by WR JonasOn the other hand , if the Clintons are defeated this alien freak should be eliminated from the national consciousness like TB or polio .
first off it's not dog, james carville can't say the word dog
January 10, 2008 - 00:03 ET by lunaticcringeradiojames carville can't say the word dog, he would say it like dawog, kawz wins ee uz gwrawin ups n da bwack oods uf looseyanna ee hadda getz da sunshwine pumps n.
ok if george bush was criticized for his grammer, or grwamma as james would say, then how the hell does carville retain any credit as an intellectual by the liberal standard, ooooohhh i forgot hipocracy and the double standard.
lunaticcringeradio
There's a difference between
January 10, 2008 - 00:16 ET by balboaThere's a difference between having a drawl and, you know, making up words and not being able to complete sentences.
Yo Bal
January 10, 2008 - 01:20 ET by Parker1227The Left made the same incessant stupid jokes about Reagan during his presidency and then when his journals and essays were released (after his death), the depth and clarity of his reasoning became clear to everyone.
And there are many accounts from people on the Left and the Right who testify that Bush is smart and in command of the facts in private meetings - regardless of his dumbstruck public persona.
Maybe its just fun to accuse people you disagree with of being stupid - kind of like in junior high school.
But that isn't just petty, it is in itself "stupid" because underestimating one's enemy is a sure path to defeat.
}}---> Parker
January 10, 2008 - 01:26 ET by Cool ArrowI prefer to employ "misunderestimating" in my "strategerie"
I don't think anybody missed Bush's meaning when he used these words, but they jumped all over them as evidence he's a storeboughten diploma from one o' dem Ivy League schools born with a silver bullet in his gun.
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Again, I've NEVER thought
January 10, 2008 - 14:42 ET by balboaAgain, I've NEVER thought Bush was dumb. He's made fun of because his public speaking skills stink. Taken to the Nth degree, people translate that into "He's dumb."
That's different, IMO, than simply having a Southern drawl.
unlike carvilles southern linguistic creations?
January 10, 2008 - 09:35 ET by lunaticcringeradiois making up words anything like making up alligator tears for pitty, and not completing sentences like being confronted in debates and then babbling like a bitter dishonest to the public angry old lesbian who was forced to marry a man to gain power, is that better?
i can forgive anyone over an honest mistake, i have defended true human actions of liberals that i can't ever support politically here at this site many times, but james drawl is so bad that he does make up words that don't exist, and as for finishing sentences he never really does that either, he just keeps rattling on berating and yells over people in "debates".
trust me i'm southern too, and i've never heard a speach pattern as aweful as his, but then again that boy playing the banjo never did speak in deliverence. he just grew up to become a democratic advisor.
lunaticcringeradio
}}---> Carville
January 10, 2008 - 09:39 ET by Cool ArrowThaaat's where I've seen him before.
I was racking my brain.
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Just take a minute to think
January 10, 2008 - 14:36 ET by cleverpigJust take a minute to think about how apoplectic with rage you would be if a liberal implied that a southern candidate was stupid because of their accent rather than what they actually say.
Maybe Bush isn't an idiot, but he's a terrible public speaker. I know smart people who can't talk in front of a crowd, but none of them are politicians or statesmen!
I'm sorry
January 10, 2008 - 00:37 ET by bigpapaI can't look at this Clinton/Democrap hack with out thinking of Skeletor.....
Then everything else is out the window,,, ruff,,, ruff..
dogs be barkin'
}}---> Bigpapa
January 10, 2008 - 00:49 ET by Cool ArrowYou've got your comics mixed up. Skeletor is married to Arnold Schwarzeneggar.
Carville is that actor who played Clyde in that Eastwood movie "Any Which Way But Loose"
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HA!
January 10, 2008 - 09:10 ET by bigpapayou may be right about Arnold... pretty close..
Smear Factor
January 10, 2008 - 01:07 ET by BarkerJames Carville's webbed hand-prints are all over the Clinton smear campaign. He's doing most of the "spadework".
"It has been run like a plantation, and you know what I'm talking about..."
Well, Obama isn't clean
January 10, 2008 - 03:28 ET by wiwfWell, Obama isn't clean either. Remember how he said that Stephen Colbert isn't a typical South Carolinian because he doesn't have the accent and doesn't eat grits?
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy
A face made for horror flicks...
January 10, 2008 - 04:34 ET by Army BratHe would fit right in as the bad guy in most any movie, but particularly the scary ones.
And I think Hillary said when talking about the White House being run like a plantation, "and you know what I'm talkin' about." She dropped the "g" on the end of "talking" for her audience at the time, which was as I recall, predominantly African American. What a Chameleon. I doubt she knows who she is or what she believes in anymore...if she ever did.
I stumbled across the Judicial Watch website yesterday, only to discover that four presidential candidates are on there for possible corruption in the “Most Corrupt Politicians” for 2007. You'll find Pelosi and Feinstein there as well. Guess who tops the list? Yeh...Hillary. The Messiah is there also. (No offense to the real Messiah intended.)
http://www.judicialw...
I'm not familiar with the site. Biased? I dunno. I don't think so. Perhaps someone has a better line on these folks than I do and can educate me.
Happy Trails...
Army Brat...Judicial Watch
January 10, 2008 - 07:14 ET by JerArmy Brat...I haven't been to the website of Judicial Watch, or performed any in-depth research, but my recollection is that they filed over a thousand lawsuits against the Clinton administration.
They did initiate some high profile actions against the Bush administration, but I think skeptics would suggest such was designed to create a patina of objectivity about the group to conceal its overwhelmingly conservative bias.
Jer
Army Brat, Judicial Watch
January 10, 2008 - 07:44 ET by motherbeltArmy Brat, Judicial Watch was a thorn in the side of the Clinton administration.
From Wikipedia:
Judicial Watch is an American government watchdog organization founded in 1994.[1]
The group uses litigation as its primary tool and came to public
attention after filing 18 lawsuits against the administration of Democratic U.S. President Bill Clinton and figures in the Clinton administration.
True, Judicial Watch has no love for the Clintons but they also sued VP Cheney over his energy task force records. and the Secret Service for records of Jack Abramoff's visits to the WH.
"Back in the day, they were part of Hillary Clinton's "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy."
If candidates were Dogs...
January 10, 2008 - 07:48 ET by Jack BauerOkay, so long as we're doing dog analogies...
If all the candidates were dogs, what breed would they be.
Well Obama is easy. He's your friendly Black Lab, eager to do and say anything that pleases.
Fred Thompson. Bassett Hound.
Ron Paul. Well he LOOKS like a crumple faced Boxer.
And of course, Hillary is a Bitch (that's the correct term for a female dog), but what breed of bitch.
I'm open for suggestions, but my thinking is a small annoying aggressive Corgi, who thinks she's a lot bigger than she is.
What else?
January 10, 2008 - 10:41 ET by NoMoreClintonsHow about a pit bull? That seems to fit.
}}---> Sharpton's new fish to fry
January 10, 2008 - 07:55 ET by Cool ArrowGolf Channel has offered up this morsel to bring Al Sharpton back into our living rooms. Please replace your remote batteries now.
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Anyone else seen "I Am Legend"?
January 10, 2008 - 08:49 ET by jwpage03Mr. Carville looks just like the mutants that only come out at night and feed on the living.
Anyone else see the connection?
Carville = Smeagol
January 10, 2008 - 08:57 ET by planetrepublicanTake a good hard look at the photo Newsbusters has for Carville; doesn't he look just like Lord of the Rings, Smeagol??? He's a dead ringer! "My precious...", "Master is our friend", rolling his little hands together, muttering to himself.
Carville = Smeagol
January 10, 2008 - 08:58 ET by planetrepublicanTake a good hard look at the photo Newsbusters has for Carville; doesn't he look just like Lord of the Rings, Smeagol??? He's a dead ringer! "My precious...", "Master is our friend", rolling his little hands together, muttering to himself.
Carville = Smeagol
January 10, 2008 - 08:58 ET by planetrepublicanTake a good hard look at the photo Newsbusters has for Carville; doesn't he look just like Lord of the Rings, Smeagol??? He's a dead ringer! "My precious...", "Master is our friend", rolling his little hands together, muttering to himself.
Munch
January 10, 2008 - 09:42 ET by Airforce_5_OI was thinking more of Edward Munch.
Go home Skelator
January 10, 2008 - 15:14 ET by wizardjrI thought Holloween was over. Then why is this man still wearing his Skelator costume and trying to scare people?
White trailer park trash
January 10, 2008 - 15:21 ET by bigtimerWhite trailer park trash comes to mind with Carvile....(Paula Jones)
He always gets away with anything, as far as I am concerned he and Begala may as well get ready to share a garbage can over the heads again...their filthy ways will aid in making sure Hill/Bill will not step foot in the WH again....
So Speak Carvile Speak!
I know I'm being shallow, but
January 10, 2008 - 21:03 ET by QueenMumHas anyone else noticed that Carville bears a resemblance to Marshall Applewhite of the Heaven's Gate cult?
Power to the people!