Of all the ways Harry Smith could have opened this morning's historic Early Show, he chose to do so by waving today's Boston Herald with its one-word front page "Shazam!" above a photo of Mike Huckabee. Smith described Barack Obama simply as the "big winner" on the Democratic side.
View video here [with apologies for low audio level].
Over at CNN [h/t Jim Pinkerton], in the American Morning opening segment at 7 AM ET, John King, discussing Huckabee, managed to work "baptist preacher" twice into the first couple minutes.
Now that Huckabee has established himself as a serious contender, is this the beginning of the MSM's Gomer Pyle-ification of the former Arkansas governor?















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January 4, 2008 - 10:10 ET by Cool ArrowIt is the Gomerification of Huckabee.
I know this is gonna get lots of laughs, but I don't think this will necessarily be bad publicity. It might even backfire.
Maybe Huckabee will work it into his "strategerie" somehow.
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A little to obvious Harillary
January 4, 2008 - 10:18 ET by CrashIf Iowa tells us anything it tells us that America's heartland is voting with its heart. It tells us that Obama & Huckabee have both connected in that regard and the fakers have been sent a strong rebuke. America is tired of silver-spooners, Ivy leaguers and Washington insiders.
}}---> Hey, Crash
January 4, 2008 - 10:23 ET by Cool ArrowSince it was just a primary (sort of) , I think Mitt would have done much better if he'd just paid each caucus goer the $10,000 he spent on them individually.
I like Mitt, but the cash flash didn't help him much in Iowa.
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Romney 08
January 4, 2008 - 12:27 ET by CrashMy morning after observation has to do with Iowan's, and the below average intellect of the popular vote. I'm with you. I think Romney & Edward's are the only two candidates who are electable in a national election. Of course, I'm for Mitt, due to his executive experience. And Edward's is a priggish piker with a career in hair futures(I wonder if you we can make energy out of human hair?). A lot can happen in the next month, let alone by November. Had you asked me who I thought was going to lead the nation blindly into a bleak future I'd have bet on Hillary last summer.
No Iowan's voted for their Savior
January 4, 2008 - 10:48 ET by PopularTechObama is the Messiah who will bring about world peace and cure cancer using his great oration.
Huckabee is Jesus who will lead the fight against the Baby Killers and Sodomites.
Iowans are simply ignorant, naive and suckers. No wonder they rely on government farm and ethanol subsidies since they would be unable to stay in business through real competition like companies run by those Ivy Leaguers.
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}}---> Unfair, PopTech
January 4, 2008 - 10:54 ET by Cool ArrowWhy is it important that you alienate Christians.
You are possibly pointing us toward a Republican candidate who favors sodomy and abortion?
Pray tell, who would that candidate be?
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Like Huckabee?
January 4, 2008 - 11:01 ET by PopularTechThere’s a Huckabee Born Every Minute (Ann Coulter, Human Events)
"I guess Huckabee is one of those pro-sodomy, pro-gay marriage, pro-evolution evangelical Christians" - Ann Coulter
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Sorry PopTech
January 4, 2008 - 11:55 ET by Cool ArrowI won't go that deep into the gutter today. I really wish you wouldn't either.
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What like how the Huckster is Anti-Catholic?
January 4, 2008 - 12:00 ET by PopularTechMike Huckabee to speak at strongly anti-Catholic preacher's church
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}}---> Hey Six Spiff
January 4, 2008 - 12:07 ET by Cool ArrowPlease read PopTech's post immediately above this one and tell me there's no argument I could make at this juncture to trash another candidate regarding bigotry.
I submit I'm practicing surprising restraint today as I've had multiple opportunities to go beyond any silly digs against unbeknownst hiring of Illegals.
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What like Mike Huckabee's Son Tortures Dogs like Mike Vic?
January 4, 2008 - 12:23 ET by PopularTechA Son’s Past Deeds (Dog Torture) Come Back To Bite Huckabee (Newsweek)
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}}---> Won't touch it PopTech
January 4, 2008 - 12:28 ET by Cool ArrowYou and Leon need to get together and exchange innuendos.
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You Mean Facts as in Huckabee is weak on Homeschooling
January 4, 2008 - 12:32 ET by PopularTechHuckabee on Education: No to Vouchers, Let Government Fix It (Standard Newswire)
Homeschoolers beware! (WorldNetDaily)
- Huckabee received the endorsement of the New Hampshire NEA
HomeSchoolers Lose Ground with New Law signed by Governor Huckabee (Home School Legal Defense Association)
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I should have put the word
January 4, 2008 - 12:31 ET by CrashI should have put the word fakers in quotes. I meant it sarcastically.
He is a "Gomer Pyle"
January 4, 2008 - 10:26 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasI don't like the MsM and certainly don't support their bias but the truth is Mike Huckabee IS a Gomer Pyle and though he won't win the nomination, how sorry is it for Iowan Republicans that they would actually vote to make "Gomer Pyle" President. Is anyone even awake in Iowa? So with all due respect to his victory, if Mike "Gomer Pyle" Huckabee gets toppled by a tease such as "Shazam" well then we know what he is made of...as for Harry, it is par for the course that some noodle spined Crybaby Boomer Lib would use his alleged news and information show broardcasted to the nation as his personal play pen, nothing new there.
Shut up and blog! If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!
Not Gomer Pyle, More like Jimmy Carter
January 4, 2008 - 10:37 ET by pilsenerMike Huckabee is NOT Gomer Pyle. That characterization falls into the category of "you have to be stupid to be a Conservative, an Evangelical, or a Republican". It is certainly the way he would be portrayed by the MSM if he got the nomination, but Reagan and Bush were also portrayed as the village idiots by the liberal pundits.
The doubt about Huckabee is that the really apt comparison is to Jimmy Carter. Bad on economics, bad on foreign policy, bad on energy policy - not stupid, just wrong.
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January 4, 2008 - 10:48 ET by Cool ArrowThat "trust, but verify" is a very good slogan if you're Ronald Reagan, but "fool me twice" fits some candidates more aptly when it comes to paying Illegals to do your landscaping.
Oh, I'm sorry, That was Mitt Romney, wasn't it?
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Wow Weak
January 4, 2008 - 10:59 ET by PopularTechRomney paid a company to do his landscaping, the company hired illegals. Romney warned them and they failed to screen their workers and he fired them. But hey being dishonest is easier right Cool Arrow?
Unlike the Huckster:
Illegal Immigration:
Laura Ingraham: Huckabee Is A "Big Loser" On Immigration (Audio) (5min)
Huckabee Supported Scholarships for Illegal Aliens (Video) (5min)
Fact Checker: Pinocchios for Huckabee on Illegals (Washington Post)
Huckabee aid plan for illegal aliens draws 'venom, anger' (Arkansas News Bureau)
Huckabee Liberal on Immigration (Standard Newswire)
Huckabee offered 'no-cost' deal for Mexican Consulate (WorldNetDaily)
Huckabee promotes 'open door' policy at League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC) convention (Arkansas News Bureau)
Immigration bill un-Christian, anti-life, governor says (Arkansas News Bureau)
Mike Huckabee Supported Bill to Give Driver's Licenses to Illegal Aliens (Arkansas Journal)
Tancredo endorses Romney: "You bet your life Huckabee was a factor" (Hot Air)
Cool Arrow TOM TANCREDO is endorsing Romney and NOT Huckabee. Go try to win the illegal immigration argument with that. Please.
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}}---> Not exactly news, PopTech
January 4, 2008 - 11:04 ET by Cool ArrowBut you fail to mention it was the second time the same company was caught using Illegals at the Romney residence.
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Yeah Cool, It's that
January 4, 2008 - 11:07 ET by LeonYeah Cool,
It's that whole second time thing that makes all of Romney's claims of innocence absurd. Fool me once...
So what? He employs illegals. What can you expect from a guy whose father was an illegal immigrant?
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January 4, 2008 - 11:12 ET by Cool ArrowI wasn't aware Governor George Romney was an Illegal Immigrant.
I will say this for him: He was a good man, and though he may not have physically marched with Dr. King, he certainly was in favor of Civil Rights.
I won't slap George Romney around, and I'll only kid around about Mitt. One was, and the other is, a good man.
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Cool, So then what are
January 4, 2008 - 11:17 ET by LeonCool,
So then what are the implications for current illegal immigrants if you look at them through the lens of George Romney (born in Chihuahua, Mexico in 1907)?
Sort of makes you wonder about all this illegals are bad for the country talk.
As a history lesson, Romney's great-grandaddy moved the family to Mexico in 1884 so they could avoid anti-polygamy laws in the USA. So creepy. Romney is a direct descendant of illegal immigrant polygamists.
PS I still can't figure out why Romney lied about his father marching with MLK. That was a bizarre situation. I guess he thought nobody would question him.
Getting your "facts" from Huffington again, leon?
January 4, 2008 - 11:22 ET by RJRomney's father was born to U.S. citizens in Mexico, meaning he was also a U.S. citizen.
RJ, You're 100%
January 4, 2008 - 11:30 ET by LeonRJ,
You're 100% wrong.
Mitt Romney's father, George was born in Mexico.
George's father, Gaskell, and his father, Miles Park were not US citizens.
If you knew your history, which you don't which why it's amazing that you challenged me on this, you would know that the 1882 Edmunds Act stripped polygamists of the basic rights of US citizenship. As a result polygamists had two choices, go to jail or leave the country.
In 1884, the Romneys chose to leave the country. 2 years after their citizenship was stripped.
Thus, Mitt Romney's father was an illegal immigrant.
Sorry RJ. No amount of sematic arguing will get you out of this one. Ha. You should have just stayed quiet girlfriend.
Wrong Leon
January 4, 2008 - 11:32 ET by PopularTechTry real sources not liberal blogs.
George Romney’s grandfather emigrated to Mexico in 1886 with his three wives and children after Congress outlawed polygamy. George Romney and his parents, who retained their U.S. citizenship, returned to the United States in 1912, the year Mexico erupted into revolution. The future governor didn't arrive in Michigan until 1939, when he was 32 years old. He didn't run for office until 1962.
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Pop, How trying A
January 4, 2008 - 11:36 ET by LeonPop,
How trying A source. Just one.
It's great when you're condescending and wrong all at the same time.
Furthermore, unlike most of the people on this site I don't read wiki and in fact, this story was first brought to my attention here:
LINK
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January 4, 2008 - 11:40 ET by Cool ArrowI didn't know George's history, but knew he was one of the good guys back when Al Gore Senior was trying keep Blacks "in their place"
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Cool, You shouldn't thank
January 4, 2008 - 11:45 ET by LeonCool,
You shouldn't thank people for giving you WRONG information.
1882 Edmunds Act.
The 1882 Edmunds Act
January 4, 2008 - 11:57 ET by PopularTechThe 1882 Edmunds Act simply made
it illegal for polygamists or cohabitants to vote, hold public office,
or serve on juries. It did NOT remove their citizenship!
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Pop, What is wrong with
January 4, 2008 - 12:00 ET by LeonPop,
What is wrong with you?
Why do you post the same thing over and over.
We already saw this post the first time.
Good God man didn't Finkelstein just warn you to stop being excessively annoying?
You mean being excessively Right
January 4, 2008 - 12:02 ET by PopularTechYeah I hate being excessively right that would be annoying to someone excessively wrong.
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Nope Pop, Just
January 4, 2008 - 12:09 ET by LeonNope Pop,
Just annoying. I mean, you're one of the only people I've ever seen warned for the specific cause of being annoying.
We're all still waiting with baited breath for you to say anything that reflects personal thought. All you do is regurgitate other peoples work without any comment. Sweet! What a genius you are. You know how to use Google! Impressive!
Who cares if you can Google if you don't have a single original thought in your head?
Good One
January 4, 2008 - 12:24 ET by PopularTechIt almost makes you right, not.
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interesting stuff - Romney
January 4, 2008 - 14:53 ET by TruthMongerinteresting stuff - Romney is my favorite so far - did the Romney's come back to the US from Mexico illegally, leon?
Barack Husein Obama is also
January 4, 2008 - 11:46 ET by Jack BauerBarack Husein Obama is also descended from polygamists. And his releatives still practise polygamy. Unlike the Romney family, by the way.
Incidantally, like all of us, Romney has 8 great-grandparents. Any news about them? It being so vital that the American people know all about a person's EIGHT great-grandparents before casting their vote.
And Barack's father wasn't even an American. Didn't he marry a white American so he stay in the US, BEFORE he abandoned his wife and son? That's not very nice, and who knows what scars he carries with him over that!
We need full disclosure immediately. For all we know, Barack's Muslim great-grandaprents may have been involved in the Slave trade, as slavers.
Maybe they murdered people in some weird tribal ceremonies?. Who knows. That's why we shouild know. This is vital info -- thanks for pointing us in the right direction her.
If you can't blame a person for what their long-dead ancestors did, what's can you do? That's as American as Kwanza, methinks.
Jack, Actually Obama was
January 4, 2008 - 11:47 ET by LeonJack,
Actually Obama was descended from a polygamist in Africa and Slave holders in America.
Pretty interesting. I don't know enough about Kenyan polygamy to comment on it. It sounds more like Bigamy to me. Furthermore, does it involve child brides like the Mormons? Excessive inbreeding like the Mormons? Child abuse like the Mormons?
Don't forget the Cheney connection...
January 4, 2008 - 15:47 ET by SyriusJust a thought...
Obama keeps bringing up the fact he's related to Cheney. So, Cheney supporters should start to get in line to vote for a relative. Go, Barak Obama/Cheney!!!
Syrius
"First of all conservatives don't hail the virtues of
"open-mindedness". Secondly, conservatives listen to all points of
view and then decide which is most correct." mattm
Syrius, I totally forgot
January 4, 2008 - 15:57 ET by LeonSyrius,
I totally forgot about that.
I hate when good people are related to a Dick.
haha.
More Lies from Leon
January 4, 2008 - 11:30 ET by PopularTechLeon, seriously do some research man, you make yourself look like an ass pulling lies from the liberal blogs you frequent (oops).
George Romney’s grandfather emigrated to Mexico in 1886
with his three wives and children after Congress outlawed polygamy.
George Romney and his parents, who retained their U.S. citizenship, returned
to the United States in 1912, the year Mexico erupted into revolution.
The future governor didn't arrive in Michigan until 1939, when he was
32 years old. He didn't run for office until 1962.
What more would I expect from computer illiterates who rely on Wikipedia for their information?
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Pop, What did the 1882
January 4, 2008 - 11:35 ET by LeonPop,
What did the 1882 Edmunds Act do again?
How exactly did they retain their US citizenship?
Sorry, leon: The 1882 Edmunds Act
January 4, 2008 - 11:52 ET by RJstripped polygamists of the basic rights of U.S. citizenship, denying them the right to vote, serve on juries or hold office.
It did NOT revoke their citizenship. You need either better sourcing or better reading comprehension.
RJ, Nice research
January 4, 2008 - 11:57 ET by LeonRJ,
Nice research girlfriend! Wiki wiki wiki.
Exactly. Romney's father was an illegal immigrant.
Facts are painful.
Actually, I sourced it in several places, creepy leon
January 4, 2008 - 12:01 ET by RJ(A habit you might consider developing)
As usual, when you lose another argument to me, you rush to your bathroom stall for a little fantasizing and self-gratification with your laptop.
Whatever gets you through the day, creepy leon.
RJ, I'm still waiting for
January 4, 2008 - 12:05 ET by LeonRJ,
I'm still waiting for you to show me that they were in fact US citizens. You haven't proved anything yet.
And it's hilarious that you in your original post when you challenged me you didn't even know what the 1882 Edmunds Act was. Tough to talk about the citizenship of the Mexican Romneys without knowing what the Act that sent them to Mexico was.
All I can see is that they lost all their rights as US citizens and their only option to stay in America was to be behind bars.
Show me somewhere anywhere where it says that Romney's family were US citizens post-1882.
You made the original claim, leon
January 4, 2008 - 12:14 ET by RJAnd I see you now avoid the subject of the Romney's citizenship being revoked.
So, leon, in your own words....show me somewhere anywhere where it says that Romney's family were not US citizens post-1882.
and if they did immigate
January 4, 2008 - 14:58 ET by TruthMongerand if they did immigate back to America was it illegally?
Oh Indeed TM, They were
January 4, 2008 - 15:04 ET by LeonOh Indeed TM,
They were aided in their escape from the Mexican Revolution in 1912 by Mexican rebels. Put them on a train straight across the border, they were never stopped, or inspected at any border.
Once in America, they hiked 100s of miles through the desert to New Mexico, you know, sort of like thousands of illegals do now.
damn! what is the statute of
January 4, 2008 - 15:29 ET by TruthMongerdamn! what is the statute of limitations on this treachery then?
Newsflash = U.S. Citizens are allowed to freely cross the border
January 4, 2008 - 21:44 ET by PopularTechApparently Leon is unaware that U.S. Citizens are allowed to cross the border.
Hiking in the desert is also legal for U.S. Citizens.
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RJ, Mitt Romney’s father
January 4, 2008 - 15:01 ET by LeonRJ,
Mitt Romney’s father is an illegal immigrant and here are the reasons why (hat tip Jack Bauer – thanks for the post on citizenship below - sent me looking for the words of the law):
1) Assuming that Romney’s family were still considered American citizens when they ran away from America to practice child abuse, rape, & exploitation (which is dubious considering the harsh language that strips rights of citizenship for polygamists), then that would mean that at birth, Romney’s father George, was entitled to American citizenship. However, this citizenship is not automatic. You must undergo a naturalization process. George Romney did not successfully complete the naturalization process prior to his border crossing. Thus, at the time of crossing he was not a Naturalized American citizen, but actually, a Native Mexican citizen.
2) It could be easily argued that by living in Mexico for 23 years prior to the birth of George, the Romney’s had become voluntarily naturalized as Mexican citizens. This argument is still used today to challenge the citizenship of those who have lived out of the country for long periods of time. According to US citizenship law, your citizenship can be revoked if you are engage in voluntary naturalization in a foreign state. If this is the case, then one could easily argue that by the time of his birth, George’s parents were no longer US citizens due to their voluntary naturalization in Mexico, thus making George a Mexican-born, Mexican citizen. Further solidifying his status as an illegal immigrant.
So here are two situations that prove the Romney’s father is an illegal immigrant.
Even if his parents were still considered US citizens after the Edmunds Act and 23 years of residence in a foreign state, then George’s failure to fulfill the Naturalization requirements, renders him an illegal immigrant.
No matter which way you slice it, Mitt Romney’s father is an illegal immigrant.
I’ll be waiting with bated breath for PopTech to google me some articles claiming that US Citizenship Law is just propaganda.
One could argue lots of
January 4, 2008 - 15:19 ET by Jack BauerOne could argue lots of things. As you are doing based on nothing more that could'ves, would'ves, shouldv'es, IMHO
Please alert ICE if you find anything based on anything that isn't your own extrapolations. Amusing though they are, said the contortionist to the snake.
Isn't this one remarkably fact-thin, and opinion-fat, even for you, old boy?
Jack, My second argument
January 4, 2008 - 15:26 ET by LeonJack,
My second argument is disputable.
My first is not. It is fact that George Romney never underwent a naturalization process prior to entering America. Without apply for Naturalization, you aren't a citizen. This is not my extrapolation, this is the law.
so Mitt is in the clear
January 4, 2008 - 15:30 ET by TruthMongerso Mitt is in the clear then? whew...
Oh Yeah TM, Mitt is a
January 4, 2008 - 15:36 ET by LeonOh Yeah TM,
Mitt is a natural US citizen. He was born here.
Indisputable? haha, leon
January 4, 2008 - 15:44 ET by RJSo far, you've only supplied assertions, not evidence. I look forward to you backing up with evidence your claims:
1) Prove that Romney was not a citizen when he entered the U.S.
2)The laws were different back then. Prove that it was necessary for him to file paperwork.
3) Once you prove that paperwork WAS necessary, provide evidence that he did not do so.
RJ, George Romney was not
January 4, 2008 - 15:51 ET by LeonRJ,
George Romney was not a citizen when he entered the US for 2 simple reasons (which I've already clearly stated):
1) He was born in Mexico
2) In order to become an American citizen, he would have had to undergo the naturalization process prior to entry. He never did this.
Now addressing your points:
1) The laws were different back then? oh really. Can you back that up or are you just guessing, b/c I can assure you that in 1907 if you were born on foreign soil to US citizens you would have to apply to become a Naturalized US citizen. The laws were different back then??? haha. Good one girlfriend.
2) He didn't file paper work. It doesn't exist b/c it was never filed. His family snuck across the border with help from Mexican Rebels.
RJ, I do admire your stubborness. I suppose it is true what they say, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Come back when you have a clue about what you're talking about.
PS the laws were different back then she says! haha.
Leon -- you're INCORRECT.
January 4, 2008 - 16:02 ET by Jack BauerLeon -- you're INCORRECT. As I showed above...
George Romney was always a US citizen, despite being born in Mexico, becauase his father was a US citizen by birth, and he never renounced his citizenship.
This is well documented, and has even been covered in the Washington Post.
Jack, You're not reading
January 4, 2008 - 16:07 ET by LeonJack,
You're not reading the law. You're being wilfully ignorant.
It doesn't matter what your parents citizenship status is.
If you are born on foreign soil you have the right to apply for Naturalized American citizenship. You are not AUTOMATICALLY a US citizen. If you never apply for naturalization, then you will never be a US citizen. FACT.
This is the law. I'm just reading you the law. I don't know what else you want me to to say.
Furthermore, it's arguable that after 23 years of living in Mexico voluntarily that his father was still a US Citizen, as I noted in my previous post.
Oh you are a wag Leon. You
January 4, 2008 - 16:19 ET by Jack BauerOh you are a wag Leon. You can argue all you like, but George Romney was five years old when his US citizen parents returned from Mexico. As such he was a minor. I fail to see what you are talking about.
Jack, 1) George's age
January 4, 2008 - 18:04 ET by LeonJack,
1) George's age is immaterial to his citizenship. You could 1 and you still have to apply for naturalization. Obviously, they expect your parents to do this for you.
2) Explain how somebody could live in a foreign country for 23 years without ever stepping foot on American soil and still be considered an American citizen. That is not the case. Sorry.
You're wrong buddy and your first post contradicts your later posts. You confusion is endearing, but tiresome.
Can't prove your assertions, can you leon?
January 4, 2008 - 16:03 ET by RJCome on, leon, even you, a frustrated, fantasizing fugitive from the stalls must have enough time to dig up evidence of your assertions about Romney.
....or is it because you're embarassed to admit that your "source" is some left-wing blog?
Shooting blanks Leon. It's
January 4, 2008 - 16:25 ET by Jack BauerShooting blanks Leon. It's sad. What you say is not true.
Clearly the foreign born children of US born citizens, DO NOT have undergo naturalization prior to entry.
Unless you are suggesting that, for example, children of US military born abroad, cannot enetr the US unless they are "naturalized" first.
Jack, I'm merely citing
January 4, 2008 - 18:06 ET by LeonJack,
I'm merely citing the law my good man. Call your state Senator if you don't like it.
Furthermore, an American soldier temporarily abroad having a child is a bit different than a fugitive on the run from the law having a child 23 years after leaving America to settle on foreign soil.
Yes but...all this is
January 4, 2008 - 16:05 ET by Jack BauerYes but...all this is moot:
The First Congress, on March 26, 1790, approved an act that declared,
I have no have no idea about the lineage of George Romney's mother (whom you convenienttly forget), but have you any proof that she was not an American citizen?
However, George's father was most certainly a US citizen when his father left for Mexico.
And all this is old news as, according to the Washington Post, George Romney's father, did indeed retain his American citizenship following his move to Mexico when he was a boy.
Check it out if you don't believe me at
http://www.washingto...
As such, it appears that George Romney was indeed ENTITLED (that is granted at birth) to be considered a citizen of the United States.
Jack, 1) Your first
January 4, 2008 - 16:11 ET by LeonJack,
1) Your first point contradicts your original post at the bottom of this thread. So were you wrong then or are you wrong now?
2) You are not automatically a US citizen if born on foreign soil. You must apply for naturalization.
3) Your Washington Post link is full of inaccuracies, and thus of little value. They didn't even get the year right when the Romney's fled America to practice their diseased religion. Not to mention it doesn't provide a single shred of any sort of evidence.
4) Do you really think that somebody can retain their American citizenship after living in a foreign country for 20+ years for the sole purpose of avoiding punishment under American law?
Wrong, wrong and wrong again Leon.
January 4, 2008 - 16:46 ET by Jack BauerActually you are incorrect and the Washington Post is correct. You can't even get the year right that George Romney's grandfather left for Mexico.
Your continuing assertions and misdirections about "naturalized citizens" are simply is UNTRUE.
Clearly George Romney was a NATURAL born citizen of the United States, hence he was eligible to run for the Presidency. That point was raised at the time and it was dismissed.
If he wasn't, then he wouldn't have been eligible to run by law. You see how this Constitution thang works
Same for McCain who was born in Pamama to US citizens. All this is rehashed old news.
That is why a naturalized citizen like Schwartenegger is UNABLE to run for President. You see the differnce? Or are you really saying that the children of US military can never run for President because they are only "naturalized" citizens, and not natural born.
I already pointed out the very first Act at the very first Congress that covers this contingency. I suggest you read it agian.
Do you really think that somebody can retain their American citizenship
after living in a foreign country for 20+ years for the sole purpose of
avoiding punishment under American law?
What a dumb question. Yes. Happens all the time. Even being a fugitive abroad does not strip you of your American citizenship. Ask Marc Rich. Next question?
Leon the Liar does not Research
January 4, 2008 - 11:55 ET by PopularTechLeon, try looking beyond ThinkProgress.
The 1882 Edmunds Act simply made it illegal for polygamists or cohabitants to vote, hold public office, or serve on juries. It did NOT remove their citizenship!
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Pop, Finally doing some
January 4, 2008 - 11:59 ET by LeonPop,
Finally doing some research I see. About time tiger.
I'm not sure what else you can call it when you lose all of your rights as a citizen and your only option to remain in the country is to go to jail.
This is stripping your citizenship.
Propaganda
January 4, 2008 - 12:05 ET by PopularTechFinally doing some research? That is all I do. Please repeat your propaganda more as repetition of lies makes them come true.
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Pop, So the guy that goes
January 4, 2008 - 12:06 ET by LeonPop,
So the guy that goes around this site pasting link after link of garbage over and over and over again ad nauseum is commenting on my spreading of propaganda?
Haha. Ok Goebbels.
Information is not Garbage
January 4, 2008 - 12:13 ET by PopularTechSo now you are calling me a Nazi because I post informative links? You on the other hand are flat our lying about Romney, that is called Propaganda. Telling someone the truth repetitively is educating.
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No Pop, I called you a
January 4, 2008 - 12:17 ET by LeonNo Pop,
I called you a propagandist for all your links.
And your method is very similar to that of Goebbels. Repeat, repeat, repeat, until it's true.
We can all use Google. We don't need you to do it for us. It's actually a pretty simple process.
I'm not lying about Romney. His father is indeed an illegal immigrant.
This is a discussion forum. Why not try discussing for once? just give it a shot. You might like it.
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January 4, 2008 - 12:30 ET by PopularTechA Propagandist is wrong and intentionally misleading like you. Researching and compiling sources to facts is called researching and compiling sources to facts.
Please prove Romney's father is an illegal immigrant.
Obviously you cannot use Google not even remotely. Reading Think Progress is not using Google.
You have already been proven wrong Leon and you keep lying, what is there to discuss? That you are a liar? That is already confirmed by anyone else reading this.
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Pop, I've shown that he
January 4, 2008 - 14:41 ET by LeonPop,
I've shown that he was a Mexican born illegal immigrant.
You're yet to prove that he wasn't.
You're copy and paste of the Edmunds Act only further serves to support my position.
I find it hard to figure out how you can be stripped of all the rights of citizenship and still be considered a citizen.
Leon
January 4, 2008 - 15:07 ET by well99What about convicted felons.That may lose some rights but they are still citizens.
Well, I've thought of
January 4, 2008 - 15:13 ET by LeonWell,
I've thought of that as well and I think convicted felons still in the US aren't necessarily an apples to apples comparison.
The more apt comparison, I believe, would be this. Let's say I commit a crime, run from the law, become a fugitive, and run away to Mexico for 20 years. If I have a child after being on the run for 20 years, are they a citizen? The answer is no b/c if you are born on foreign soil you are not automatically a citizen. You must apply for naturalization. So the question becomes, would you even be eligible to apply for Naturalization?
Unfortunately I don't know the answer to this question.
See my post above to RJ when you get a chance. I laid out why his father is most certainly an illegal immigrant based on US citizenship laws.
Just a thought Leon
January 4, 2008 - 17:32 ET by well99His father was Gov of Michigan.I would think there were laws in place they required citizenship of both the US and Michigan.His political opponents wouldnt let him slide on any issue.Politics being what it is.
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January 4, 2008 - 21:50 ET by PopularTechLeon your repetition of lies does not make them true. You keep repeating blatant lies over and over in a desperate attempt to manipulate those who do not do research.
The Edmunds Act made it clear what it did, if it stripped citizenship it would have said so instead of pointing out specific rights it stripped.
Get back to us when you have a source outside of ThinkProgress.
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