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Of all the ways Harry Smith could have opened this morning's historic Early Show, he chose to do so by waving today's Boston Herald with its one-word front page "Shazam!" above a photo of Mike Huckabee. Smith described Barack Obama simply as the "big winner" on the Democratic side.

View video here [with apologies for low audio level].

Over at CNN [h/t Jim Pinkerton], in the American Morning opening segment at 7 AM ET, John King, discussing Huckabee, managed to work "baptist preacher" twice into the first couple minutes.

Now that Huckabee has established himself as a serious contender, is this the beginning of the MSM's Gomer Pyle-ification of the former Arkansas governor?


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}}---> Yes, Mark

It is the Gomerification of Huckabee.

I know this is gonna get lots of laughs, but I don't think this will necessarily be bad publicity.  It might even backfire.

Maybe Huckabee will work it into his "strategerie" somehow. 

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A little to obvious Harillary

If Iowa tells us anything it tells us that America's heartland is voting with its heart. It tells us that Obama & Huckabee have both connected in that regard and the fakers have been sent a strong rebuke. America is tired of silver-spooners, Ivy leaguers  and Washington insiders. 

 

 

}}---> Hey, Crash

Since it was just a primary (sort of) , I think Mitt would have done much better if he'd just paid each caucus goer the $10,000 he spent on them individually.

I like Mitt, but the cash flash didn't help him much in Iowa.

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Romney 08

My morning after observation has to do with Iowan's, and the below average intellect of the popular vote. I'm with you. I think Romney & Edward's are the only two candidates who are electable in a national election. Of course, I'm for Mitt, due to his executive experience. And Edward's is a priggish piker with a career in hair futures(I wonder if you we can make energy out of human hair?). A lot can happen in the next month, let alone by November. Had you asked me who I thought was going to lead the nation blindly into a bleak future I'd have bet on Hillary last summer.

 

No Iowan's voted for their Savior

Obama is the Messiah who will bring about world peace and cure cancer using his great oration.

Huckabee is Jesus who will lead the fight against the Baby Killers and Sodomites.

Iowans are simply ignorant, naive and suckers. No wonder they rely on government farm and ethanol subsidies since they would be unable to stay in business through real competition like companies run by those Ivy Leaguers.

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}}---> Unfair, PopTech

Why is it important that you alienate Christians.

You are possibly pointing us toward a Republican candidate who favors sodomy and abortion?

Pray tell, who would that candidate be?

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Like Huckabee?

There’s a Huckabee Born Every Minute (Ann Coulter, Human Events)

"I guess Huckabee is one of those pro-sodomy, pro-gay marriage, pro-evolution evangelical Christians" - Ann Coulter

 

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Sorry PopTech

I won't go that deep into the gutter today.  I really wish you wouldn't either. 

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}}---> Hey Six Spiff

Please read PopTech's post immediately above this one and tell me there's no argument I could make at this juncture to trash another candidate regarding bigotry.

I submit I'm practicing surprising restraint today as I've had multiple opportunities to go beyond any silly digs against unbeknownst hiring of Illegals. 

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}}---> Won't touch it PopTech

You and Leon need to get together and exchange innuendos. 

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You Mean Facts as in Huckabee is weak on Homeschooling

I should have put the word

I should have put the word fakers in quotes. I meant it sarcastically.

He is a "Gomer Pyle"

I don't like the MsM and certainly don't support their bias but the truth is Mike Huckabee IS a Gomer Pyle and though he won't win the nomination, how sorry is it for Iowan Republicans that they would actually vote to make "Gomer Pyle" President. Is anyone even awake in Iowa? So with all due respect to his victory, if Mike "Gomer Pyle" Huckabee gets toppled by a tease such as "Shazam" well then we know what he is made of...as for Harry, it is par for the course that some noodle spined Crybaby Boomer Lib would use his alleged news and information show broardcasted to the nation as his personal play pen, nothing new there.
Shut up and blog! If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!

Not Gomer Pyle, More like Jimmy Carter

Mike Huckabee is NOT Gomer Pyle. That characterization falls into the category of "you have to be stupid to be a Conservative, an Evangelical, or a Republican". It is certainly the way he would be portrayed by the MSM if he got the nomination, but Reagan and Bush were also portrayed as the village idiots by the liberal pundits.

The doubt about Huckabee is that the really apt comparison is to Jimmy Carter. Bad on economics, bad on foreign policy, bad on energy policy - not stupid, just wrong.

}}---> Right on, pilsener

That "trust, but verify" is a very good slogan if you're Ronald Reagan, but "fool me twice" fits some candidates more aptly when it comes to paying Illegals to do your landscaping. 

Oh, I'm sorry,  That was Mitt Romney, wasn't it?

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Wow Weak

Romney paid a company to do his landscaping, the company hired illegals. Romney warned them and they failed to screen their workers and he fired them. But hey being dishonest is easier right Cool Arrow?

Unlike the Huckster:

Illegal Immigration:

Laura Ingraham: Huckabee Is A "Big Loser" On Immigration (Audio) (5min)
Huckabee Supported Scholarships for Illegal Aliens (Video) (5min)

Fact Checker: Pinocchios for Huckabee on Illegals (Washington Post)
Huckabee aid plan for illegal aliens draws 'venom, anger' (Arkansas News Bureau)
Huckabee Liberal on Immigration (Standard Newswire)
Huckabee offered 'no-cost' deal for Mexican Consulate (WorldNetDaily)
Huckabee promotes 'open door' policy at League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC) convention (Arkansas News Bureau)
Immigration bill un-Christian, anti-life, governor says (Arkansas News Bureau)
Mike Huckabee Supported Bill to Give Driver's Licenses to Illegal Aliens (Arkansas Journal)

Tancredo endorses Romney: "You bet your life Huckabee was a factor" (Hot Air)

Cool Arrow TOM TANCREDO is endorsing Romney and NOT Huckabee. Go try to win the illegal immigration argument with that. Please.

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}}---> Not exactly news, PopTech

But you fail to mention it was the second time the same company was caught using Illegals at the Romney residence. 

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Yeah Cool, It's that

Yeah Cool,

It's that whole second time thing that makes all of Romney's claims of innocence absurd. Fool me once...

So what?  He employs illegals. What can you expect from a guy whose father was an illegal immigrant?

}}---> Leon?

I wasn't aware Governor George Romney was an Illegal Immigrant.

I will say this for him:  He was a good man, and though he may not have physically marched with Dr. King, he certainly was in favor of Civil Rights.

I won't slap George Romney around, and I'll only kid around about Mitt.  One was, and the other is, a good man. 

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Cool, So then what are

Cool,

So then what are the implications for current illegal immigrants if you look at them through the lens of George Romney (born in Chihuahua, Mexico in 1907)?

Sort of makes you wonder about all this illegals are bad for the country talk.

As a history lesson, Romney's great-grandaddy moved the family to Mexico in 1884 so they could avoid anti-polygamy laws in the USA.  So creepy.  Romney is a direct descendant of illegal immigrant polygamists.

PS I still can't figure out why Romney lied about his father marching with MLK.  That was a bizarre situation.  I guess he thought nobody would question him.

Getting your "facts" from Huffington again, leon?

Romney's father was born to U.S. citizens in Mexico, meaning he was also a U.S. citizen.

RJ, You're 100%

RJ,

You're 100% wrong.

Mitt Romney's father, George was born in Mexico.

George's father, Gaskell, and his father, Miles Park were not US citizens.

If you knew your history, which you don't which why it's amazing that you challenged me on this, you would know that the 1882 Edmunds Act stripped polygamists of the basic rights of US citizenship.  As a result polygamists had two choices, go to jail or leave the country.

In 1884, the Romneys chose to leave the country.  2 years after their citizenship was stripped.

Thus, Mitt Romney's father was an illegal immigrant.

Sorry RJ.  No amount of sematic arguing will get you out of this one.  Ha.  You should have just stayed quiet girlfriend.

Wrong Leon

Try real sources not liberal blogs.

George Romney’s grandfather emigrated to Mexico in 1886 with his three wives and children after Congress outlawed polygamy. George Romney and his parents, who retained their U.S. citizenship, returned to the United States in 1912, the year Mexico erupted into revolution. The future governor didn't arrive in Michigan until 1939, when he was 32 years old. He didn't run for office until 1962.

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Pop, How trying A

Pop,

How trying A source.  Just one.

It's great when you're condescending and wrong all at the same time.

Furthermore, unlike most of the people on this site I don't read wiki and in fact, this story was first brought to my attention here:

LINK

}}---> Thanks, PopTech

I didn't know George's history, but knew he was one of the good guys back when Al Gore Senior was trying keep Blacks "in their place" 

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Cool, You shouldn't thank

Cool,

You shouldn't thank people for giving you WRONG information.

1882 Edmunds Act.

 

The 1882 Edmunds Act

The 1882 Edmunds Act simply made
it illegal for polygamists or cohabitants to vote, hold public office,
or serve on juries. It did NOT remove their citizenship!

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Pop, What is wrong with

Pop,

What is wrong with you?

Why do you post the same thing over and over.

We already saw this post the first time.

Good God man didn't Finkelstein just warn you to stop being excessively annoying?

You mean being excessively Right

Yeah I hate being excessively right that would be annoying to someone excessively wrong.

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Nope Pop, Just

Nope Pop,

Just annoying.  I mean, you're one of the only people I've ever seen warned for the specific cause of being annoying.

We're all still waiting with baited breath for you to say anything that reflects personal thought.  All you do is regurgitate other peoples work without any comment.  Sweet!  What a genius you are.  You know how to use Google!  Impressive!

Who cares if you can Google if you don't have a single original thought in your head?

Good One

interesting stuff - Romney

interesting stuff - Romney is my favorite so far - did the Romney's come back to the US from Mexico illegally, leon?

Barack Husein Obama is also

Barack Husein Obama is also descended from polygamists. And his releatives still practise polygamy. Unlike the Romney family, by the way.

Incidantally, like all of us, Romney has 8 great-grandparents. Any news about them? It being so vital that the American people know all about a person's EIGHT great-grandparents before casting their vote.

And Barack's father wasn't even an American. Didn't he marry a white American so he stay in the US, BEFORE he abandoned his wife and son? That's not very nice, and who knows what scars he carries with him over that!

We need full disclosure immediately. For all we know, Barack's Muslim great-grandaprents may have been involved in the Slave trade, as slavers.

Maybe they murdered people in some weird tribal ceremonies?. Who knows. That's why we shouild know. This is vital info -- thanks for pointing us in the right direction her.

If you can't blame a person for what their long-dead ancestors did, what's can you do? That's as American as Kwanza, methinks. 

Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me!

Jack, Actually Obama was

Jack,

Actually Obama was descended from a polygamist in Africa and Slave holders in America.

Pretty interesting.  I don't know enough about Kenyan polygamy to comment on it.  It sounds more like Bigamy to me.  Furthermore, does it involve child brides like the Mormons?  Excessive inbreeding like the Mormons?  Child abuse like the Mormons?

Don't forget the Cheney connection...

Just a thought...

Obama keeps bringing up the fact he's related to Cheney. So, Cheney supporters should start to get in line to vote for a relative. Go, Barak Obama/Cheney!!!

Syrius

"First of all conservatives don't hail the virtues of
"open-mindedness". Secondly, conservatives listen to all points of
view and then decide which is most correct." mattm

Syrius, I totally forgot

Syrius,

I totally forgot about that.

I hate when good people are related to a Dick.

haha.

More Lies from Leon

Leon, seriously do some research man, you make yourself look like an ass pulling lies from the liberal blogs you frequent (oops).

George Romney’s grandfather emigrated to Mexico in 1886
with his three wives and children after Congress outlawed polygamy.
George Romney and his parents, who retained their U.S. citizenship, returned
to the United States in 1912, the year Mexico erupted into revolution.
The future governor didn't arrive in Michigan until 1939, when he was
32 years old. He didn't run for office until 1962.

What more would I expect from computer illiterates who rely on Wikipedia for their information?

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Pop, What did the 1882

Pop,

What did the 1882 Edmunds Act do again?

How exactly did they retain their US citizenship? 

Sorry, leon: The 1882 Edmunds Act

stripped polygamists of the basic rights of U.S. citizenship, denying them the right to vote, serve on juries or hold office.

It did NOT revoke their citizenship.  You need either better sourcing or better reading comprehension.

RJ, Nice research

RJ,

Nice research girlfriend!  Wiki wiki wiki.

Exactly.  Romney's father was an illegal immigrant.

Facts are painful.

Actually, I sourced it in several places, creepy leon

(A habit you might consider developing)

As usual, when you lose another argument to me, you rush to your bathroom stall for a little fantasizing and self-gratification with your laptop.

 

Whatever gets you through the day, creepy leon.

RJ, I'm still waiting for

RJ,

I'm still waiting for you to show me that they were in fact US citizens.  You haven't proved anything yet.

And it's hilarious that you in your original post when you challenged me you didn't even know what the 1882 Edmunds Act was.  Tough to talk about the citizenship of the Mexican Romneys without knowing what the Act that sent them to Mexico was.

All I can see is that they lost all their rights as US citizens and their only option to stay in America was to be behind bars.

Show me somewhere anywhere where it says that Romney's family were US citizens post-1882.

You made the original claim, leon

And I see you now avoid the subject of the Romney's citizenship being revoked. 

So, leon, in your own words....show me somewhere anywhere where it says that Romney's family were not US citizens post-1882.

and if they did immigate

and if they did immigate back to America was it illegally?

Oh Indeed TM, They were

Oh Indeed TM,

They were aided in their escape from the Mexican Revolution in 1912 by Mexican rebels.  Put them on a train straight across the border, they were never stopped, or inspected at any border.

Once in America, they hiked 100s of miles through the desert to New Mexico, you know, sort of like thousands of illegals do now.

damn! what is the statute of

damn! what is the statute of limitations on this treachery then?

Newsflash = U.S. Citizens are allowed to freely cross the border

Apparently Leon is unaware that U.S. Citizens are allowed to cross the border.

Hiking in the desert is also legal for U.S. Citizens.

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RJ, Mitt Romney’s father

RJ,

Mitt Romney’s father is an illegal immigrant and here are the reasons why (hat tip Jack Bauer – thanks for the post on citizenship below - sent me looking for the words of the law):

1)  Assuming that Romney’s family were still considered American citizens when they ran away from America to practice child abuse, rape, & exploitation (which is dubious considering the harsh language that strips rights of citizenship for polygamists), then that would mean that at birth, Romney’s father George, was entitled to American citizenship.  However, this citizenship is not automatic.  You must undergo a naturalization process.  George Romney did not successfully complete the naturalization process prior to his border crossing.  Thus, at the time of crossing he was not a Naturalized American citizen, but actually, a Native Mexican citizen. 

2)  It could be easily argued that by living in Mexico for 23 years prior to the birth of George, the Romney’s had become voluntarily naturalized as Mexican citizens.  This argument is still used today to challenge the citizenship of those who have lived out of the country for long periods of time.  According to US citizenship law, your citizenship can be revoked if you are engage in voluntary naturalization in a foreign state.  If this is the case, then one could easily argue that by the time of his birth, George’s parents were no longer US citizens due to their voluntary naturalization in Mexico, thus making George a Mexican-born, Mexican citizen.  Further solidifying his status as an illegal immigrant. 

So here are two situations that prove the Romney’s father is an illegal immigrant. 

Even if his parents were still considered US citizens after the Edmunds Act and 23 years of residence in a foreign state, then George’s failure to fulfill the Naturalization requirements, renders him an illegal immigrant.

No matter which way you slice it, Mitt Romney’s father is an illegal immigrant.

I’ll be waiting with bated breath for PopTech to google me some articles claiming that US Citizenship Law is just propaganda.

One could argue lots of

One could argue lots of things. As you are doing based on nothing more that could'ves, would'ves, shouldv'es, IMHO

Please alert ICE if you find anything based on anything that isn't your own extrapolations. Amusing though they are, said the contortionist to the snake.

Isn't this one remarkably fact-thin, and opinion-fat, even for you, old boy?

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Jack, My second argument

Jack,

My second argument is disputable.

My first is not.  It is fact that George Romney never underwent a naturalization process prior to entering America.  Without apply for Naturalization, you aren't a citizen.  This is not my extrapolation, this is the law.

so Mitt is in the clear

so Mitt is in the clear then? whew...

Oh Yeah TM, Mitt is a

Oh Yeah TM,

Mitt is a natural US citizen.  He was born here.

Indisputable? haha, leon

So far, you've only supplied assertions, not evidence.   I look forward to you backing up with evidence your claims:

1) Prove that Romney was not a citizen when he entered the U.S.

2)The laws were different back then.  Prove that it was necessary for him to file paperwork.

3) Once you prove that paperwork WAS necessary, provide evidence that he did not do so.

 

RJ, George Romney was not

RJ,

George Romney was not a citizen when he entered the US for 2 simple reasons (which I've already clearly stated):

1)  He was born in Mexico

2)  In order to become an American citizen, he would have had to undergo the naturalization process prior to entry.  He never did this. 

Now addressing your points:

1) The laws were different back then?  oh really.  Can you back that up or are you just guessing, b/c I can assure you that in 1907 if you were born on foreign soil to US citizens you would have to apply to become a Naturalized US citizen.  The laws were different back then??? haha.  Good one girlfriend.

2)  He didn't file paper work.  It doesn't exist b/c it was never filed. His family snuck across the border with help from Mexican Rebels.

RJ, I do admire your stubborness.  I suppose it is true what they say, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.  Come back when you have a clue about what you're talking about. 

PS the laws were different back then she says! haha.

 

Leon -- you're INCORRECT.

Leon -- you're INCORRECT. As I showed above...

George Romney was always a US citizen, despite being born in Mexico, becauase his father was a US citizen by birth, and he never renounced his citizenship.

This is well documented, and has even been covered in the Washington Post.

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Jack, You're not reading

Jack,

You're not reading the law.  You're being wilfully ignorant.

It doesn't matter what your parents citizenship status is.

If you are born on foreign soil you have the right to apply for Naturalized American citizenship.  You are not AUTOMATICALLY a US citizen.  If you never apply for naturalization, then you will never be a US citizen.  FACT.

This is the law.  I'm just reading you the law.  I don't know what else you want me to to say.

Furthermore, it's arguable that after 23 years of living in Mexico voluntarily that his father was still a US Citizen, as I noted in my previous post.

Oh you are a wag Leon. You

Oh you are a wag Leon. You can argue all you like, but George Romney was five years old when his US citizen parents returned from Mexico. As such he was a minor. I fail to see what you are talking about.

 

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Jack, 1)  George's age

Jack,

1)  George's age is immaterial to his citizenship.  You could 1 and you still have to apply for naturalization.  Obviously, they expect your parents to do this for you.

2)  Explain how somebody could live in a foreign country for 23 years without ever stepping foot on American soil and still be considered an American citizen.  That is not the case.  Sorry.

You're wrong buddy and your first post contradicts your later posts.  You confusion is endearing, but tiresome.

Can't prove your assertions, can you leon?

Come on, leon, even you, a frustrated, fantasizing fugitive from the stalls must have enough time to dig up evidence of your assertions about Romney. 

....or is it because you're embarassed to admit that your "source" is some left-wing blog?

Shooting blanks Leon. It's

Shooting blanks Leon. It's sad. What you say is not true.

Clearly the foreign born children of US born citizens, DO NOT have undergo naturalization prior to entry. 

Unless you are suggesting that, for example, children of US military born abroad, cannot enetr the US unless they are "naturalized" first.

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Jack, I'm merely citing

Jack,

I'm merely citing the law my good man.  Call your state Senator if you don't like it.

Furthermore, an American soldier temporarily abroad having a child is a bit different than a fugitive on the run from the law having a child 23 years after leaving America to settle on foreign soil.

Yes but...all this is

Yes but...all this is moot:

The First Congress, on March 26, 1790, approved an act that declared,


"The children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural-born citizens of the United States."

I have no have no idea about the lineage of George Romney's mother (whom you convenienttly forget), but have you any proof that she was not an American citizen?

However, George's father was most certainly a US citizen when his father left for Mexico.

And all this is old news as, according to the Washington Post, George Romney's father, did indeed retain his American citizenship following his move to Mexico when he was a boy.

Check it out if you don't believe me at

http://www.washingto...

As such, it appears that George Romney was indeed ENTITLED (that is granted at birth) to be considered a citizen of the United States.

 

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Jack, 1)  Your first

Jack,

1)  Your first point contradicts your original post at the bottom of this thread.  So were you wrong then or are you wrong now?

2)  You are not automatically a US citizen if born on foreign soil.  You must apply for naturalization. 

3)  Your Washington Post link is full of inaccuracies, and thus of little value.  They didn't even get the year right when the Romney's fled America to practice their diseased religion.  Not to mention it doesn't provide a single shred of any sort of evidence.

4)  Do you really think that somebody can retain their American citizenship after living in a foreign country for 20+ years for the sole purpose of avoiding punishment under American law?

Wrong, wrong and wrong again Leon.

Actually you are incorrect and the Washington Post is correct. You can't even get the year right that George Romney's grandfather left for Mexico.

Your continuing assertions and misdirections about "naturalized citizens" are simply is UNTRUE.

Clearly George Romney was a NATURAL born citizen of the United States, hence he was eligible to run for the Presidency. That point was raised at the time and it was dismissed.

If he wasn't, then he wouldn't have been eligible to run by law. You see how this Constitution thang works

Same for McCain who was born in Pamama to US citizens. All this is rehashed old news.

That is why a naturalized citizen like Schwartenegger is UNABLE to run for President. You see the differnce? Or are you really saying that the children of US military can never run for President because they are only "naturalized" citizens, and not natural born.

I already pointed out the very first Act at the very first Congress that covers this contingency. I suggest you read it agian.

Do you really think that somebody can retain their American citizenship
after living in a foreign country for 20+ years for the sole purpose of
avoiding punishment under American law?

What a dumb question. Yes. Happens all the time. Even being a fugitive abroad does not strip you of your American citizenship. Ask Marc Rich. Next question?

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Leon the Liar does not Research

Leon, try looking beyond ThinkProgress.

The 1882 Edmunds Act simply made it illegal for polygamists or cohabitants to vote, hold public office, or serve on juries. It did NOT remove their citizenship!

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Pop, Finally doing some

Pop,

Finally doing some research I see.  About time tiger.

I'm not sure what else you can call it when you lose all of your rights as a citizen and your only option to remain in the country is to go to jail.

This is stripping your citizenship. 

Propaganda

Finally doing some research? That is all I do. Please repeat your propaganda more as repetition of lies makes them come true.

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Pop, So the guy that goes

Pop,

So the guy that goes around this site pasting link after link of garbage over and over and over again ad nauseum is commenting on my spreading of propaganda?

Haha.  Ok Goebbels.

Information is not Garbage

So now you are calling me a Nazi because I post informative links? You on the other hand are flat our lying about Romney, that is called Propaganda. Telling someone the truth repetitively is educating.

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No Pop, I called you a

No Pop,

I called you a propagandist for all your links.

And your method is very similar to that of Goebbels.  Repeat, repeat, repeat, until it's true.

We can all use Google.  We don't need you to do it for us.  It's actually a pretty simple process. 

I'm not lying about Romney.  His father is indeed an illegal immigrant. 

This is a discussion forum.  Why not try discussing for once?  just give it a shot.  You might like it.

The Liar Continues

A Propagandist is wrong and intentionally misleading like you. Researching and compiling sources to facts is called researching and compiling sources to facts.

Please prove Romney's father is an illegal immigrant.

Obviously you cannot use Google not even remotely. Reading Think Progress is not using Google.

You have already been proven wrong Leon and you keep lying, what is there to discuss? That you are a liar? That is already confirmed by anyone else reading this.

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Pop, I've shown that he

Pop,

I've shown that he was a Mexican born illegal immigrant.

You're yet to prove that he wasn't.

You're copy and paste of the Edmunds Act only further serves to support my position.

I find it hard to figure out how you can be stripped of all the rights of citizenship and still be considered a citizen. 

 

Leon

What about convicted felons.That may lose some rights but they are still citizens.

Well, I've thought of

Well,

I've thought of that as well and I think convicted felons still in the US aren't necessarily an apples to apples comparison.

The more apt comparison, I believe, would be this.  Let's say I commit a crime, run from the law, become a fugitive, and run away to Mexico for 20 years.  If I have a child after being on the run for 20 years, are they a citizen?  The answer is no b/c if you are born on foreign soil you are not automatically a citizen. You must apply for naturalization.  So the question becomes, would you even be eligible to apply for Naturalization? 

Unfortunately I don't know the answer to this question.

See my post above to RJ when you get a chance.  I laid out why his father is most certainly an illegal immigrant based on US citizenship laws.

 

Just a thought Leon

His father was Gov of Michigan.I would think there were laws in place they required citizenship of both the US and Michigan.His political opponents wouldnt let him slide on any issue.Politics being what it is.

Leon the Propaganda Minister

Leon your repetition of lies does not make them true. You keep repeating blatant lies over and over in a desperate attempt to manipulate those who do not do research.

The Edmunds Act made it clear what it did, if it stripped citizenship it would have said so instead of pointing out specific rights it stripped.

Get back to us when you have a source outside of ThinkProgress.

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Maybe "not exactly news" Cool

...but good enough to use as an irrelevant cheap shot?

}}---> Sure, RJ

And if your vision was less tunneled, you might surmise the Gomer Pyle stuff is a cheap shot too. 

So what's your point?

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Blaming me for the words of others, Cool?

Why am I not surprised?

...but I suppose it's one way to change the subject away from your own irrelevant cheap shot.

No, RJ

Is there something I blamed you for? 

Please specify just where, in this thread, I assigned blame to you for anything. 

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Right here, Cool

"And if your vision was less tunneled, you might surmise the Gomer Pyle stuff is a cheap shot too."

YOU made a cheap shot but I did not. Although not a "direct" blame, your attempt to paint me by association is clear. 

And even if you disingenuously deny it, you STILL use it as a way to change the subject from your own irrelevant cheap shot.

}}---> Painting by association?

Convolutions abound.

Sorry for "blaming you" 

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It's a common problem Cool

Lazy responses often lead to unintended misrepresentations.

And you're STILL using this false "issue" as a way to avoid my first post about your irrelevant cheap shot about Romney.   :^)

WORDS I WANT TO HEAR FROM CANDIDATES (soon)

reform
tax cuts
efficiency
enable
reward
freedom
independence
reduction
#1 military
sealed borders
fence
earmarks
ethics
balanced budget
principle
record (after my)
solution
bureaucracy
fair tax
flatter tax
=====
CANDIDATES: MOVING PAST BALONEY
What I don’t want to hear is more shallow fuzzy political baloney.
Let’s get to it… if you can’t summarized specifically your plans on a 3
by 5 card… go home.
Let’s hear…"I support making the tax cuts permanent…. I support the
borders being sealed this year… I support reform of the tax code… I
support a very long-range solution to Social Security… I support a
balanced budget, I support a strong ethics law for congress… I support
a study of gov-ment efficiency… I support elimination of earmarks
within any annual budget bill or supplemental budget bill… I support a
bigger military but less scattered over the world… I support full
disclosure /publication of all non-classified congressional spending on
the Web… I support eliminating the capital gains and death taxes… I
support English as the official language of the country at all levels
of the government… I support oil drilling without limits the next 20
years and 3 new refineries plus 3 new atomic power plants… I support a
10% limit of U.N. costs as the USA ceiling… I support federal financial
incentives to adopt versus abortion… I support incentives for buying 4
and 6 cylinder cars… I support baseline budgeting versus the guaranteed
4-12% raises federal programs get now…start at 0% and justify any more…
I support photo ID in all federal elections… I support big tax
incentives for marriage… I support elimination of all unfunded mandates
by the federal gov-ment on the states… I support federal elections on
Saturdays only… I support deporting all illegal aliens… I support a
cutoff of all federal funds to states or cities that refuse to follow
immigration laws."
Now if a retired college Bio prof can think of these in 30 minutes, why
can’t you hear some every single day by a candidate with a spine?

Doug Schexnayder, Ph.D. (theconservativecrawfish)

reelman...

Sounds alot like Fred Thompson. He may not be 100% on everything you listed, but he comes the closest to the list as a whole. He's the only candidate that I am aware of that has listed his white papers on issues right on his website >>> under the issues drop down box <<< 

Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/ 

Cool Arrow..

Number one: Get rid of the dumb little arrow thingy in your posts.. we know who you are.

Second, if What is Romney supposed to do? He hired a landscaping company to do a job for him. Was he supposed to inspect every employee? Besides, he warned the company that IF they DID have illegals, he would can them. why on EARTH are you so caught up on that?

Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily.

}}---> No, Six

I'm not caught up on the Illegals thing.  I think it's perfectly understandable.

What I am doing is pointing out that we have a blog that has gone totally negative against one candidate and uses that negativity to promote their own candidate.

You might want to read through this grouping of posts looking for the "positive" postings on individual candidates.

The negativity and half-truths are flying fiercely.  I get goaded into throwing out a jab at somebody's fave once in a while.  It's easy to do.  The Illegals thing was chosen because it really does have serious holes in it. 

Believe me, it's easier to make a solid hate case on other issues concerning Mitt, but i'm really not into it. 

I like Mitt.  I think he'll make a good President.  But the vitriol in this blog is thick.

And the arrow?  Seems to me if you've determined I've got nothing of value to contribute, it's a pretty good tipoff if you want to skip my posts.

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Because it is all they got

Mitt did not hire illegals knowingly and when he found out he gave the company a chance to correct it, they failed and he fired the company, he is not a Mike Huckabee who wanted to give scholarships to illegals and openly ADMITS it!

Illegal Immigration:

Laura Ingraham: Huckabee Is A "Big Loser" On Immigration (Audio) (5min)
Huckabee Supported Scholarships for Illegal Aliens (Video) (5min)

Fact Checker: Pinocchios for Huckabee on Illegals (Washington Post)
Huckabee aid plan for illegal aliens draws 'venom, anger' (Arkansas News Bureau)
Huckabee Liberal on Immigration (Standard Newswire)
Huckabee offered 'no-cost' deal for Mexican Consulate (WorldNetDaily)
Huckabee promotes 'open door' policy at League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC) convention (Arkansas News Bureau)
Immigration bill un-Christian, anti-life, governor says (Arkansas News Bureau)
Mike Huckabee Supported Bill to Give Driver's Licenses to Illegal Aliens (Arkansas Journal)

Tancredo endorses Romney: "You bet your life Huckabee was a factor" (Hot Air)

Huckabee: Raising Taxes OK
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PT: Once is OK, but please

PT: Once is OK, but please do not repost your link list multiple times on one thread.

This is not the list.

Does reposting links take up more space or something?

 

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That characterization falls

That characterization falls into the category of "you have to be stupid
to be a Conservative, an Evangelical, or a Republican". It is certainly
the way he would be portrayed by the MSM if he got the nomination,

Of course it is. And the headline Smith held up is typical of the Boston Herald. Beacon Hill Snobs, the bunch of them (and I grew up in Mass.)

I just ahve to wonder, if HRC had finished big, would they have written, and would Smith have flashed a photo of her with the headline "Goin' to Hill!" ?

What happens when Huckabee

What happens when Huckabee and Obama have to answer really hard questions?  I don't think either will impress anyone once substance is required. 

}}---> Bingo, thinker

People will be walking away from those sessions with bewildered frowns and crossed eyes. 

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I don't know about Huckabee,

I don't know about Huckabee, but Obama will continue to try to dazzle with his talk of "conversations" and a new way forward, or a new kind of politics, etc.....lots of pretty rhetorical flourishes and metaphors that mean nothing, or whatever one wants them to mean. Whether it will work, I don't know.

Free Think, Has that ever

Free Think,

Has that ever mattered?  Has any candidate really answered a single hard question?

I've watched all the debates and I haven't really seen anyone say anything tangible except Ron Paul.  And unfortunately he's an amazing racist, which makes him unelectable.

Leon, for once I agree with

Leon, for once I agree with you.  Ron Paul has been the only one who has laid out his positions, but they are so far removed from reality he took himself right out of the race.  This is typical in the primaries, I was really speaking more to a general election where debates will be one on one and not 30 second sound bites and hand raises from 20 participants on a stage.  Once we get to that point I think people will realize that Huckabee is no conservative and Obama is an empty suit full of platitudes.  I don't think either of these two get to that point however.

FT, Agreed 80%.  I think

FT,

Agreed 80%.  I think Obama is more than what you say.  He's the real deal and he's our best option to break the past 20 years of Bush/Clinton domination.

It's time to clean house, get some new blood in office, and Obama fits the bill. 

As you say, we'll see how it shakes out once they aren't on stage with 20 people and they really have to say things with substance.

Should be very interesting

Obama is the Messiah!

I agree Obama will bring about world peace, cure cancer and aids all using just his oration ability. And he likes Huck.... talk about getting what you want for Christmas.

Obama: Mike Huckabee is My Favorite GOP Candidate (Newsmax)

Huckabee: Raising Taxes OK
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That we can agree on Leon

We definately need some new blood in there.As far as Obama being the answer well that is a debate down the road.Lets us see how this all progresses when there is only a few candidates from both sides.Yes I totally agree we do need substance and forget these softball questions.I'm leaning towards Thompson but overall I want anyone over Hillary.Not because she is a D but the Clintons put the C in Corruption.Myself I would of like to seen Michael Steele run.Anyhow we are just at the beginning of the process so we will see how things shake out.

Thompson/Steele

Not Gomer

Gomer was from Mayberry, NC. Will Stockdale was from Arkansas.

John Edwards=Gomer

Huckabuck=Will Stockdale

"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't.” General George S. Patton.

IOWA

Iowa is first because it is quirky.  It has a bizzare system setup by George McGovern as a means of propelling him to a presidentail nomination.

Its only attribute is being first. They are not predictive, just first.

Please don't spend too much time analyzing this oddity. It just is what it is.

Yeah isn't this no more

Yeah isn't this no more than equating to scoring the first touchdown in football. Doesn't really mean the game is over yet.

 

Do you realize how much it costs to run for office? More than any honest man could afford. -Montgomery Burns

Typical smug,

Typical smug, 'smartier-than-thou' liberal arrogance! (And I'm no Huckabooster)

Leon said: "In 1884, the

Leon said: "In 1884, the Romneys chose to leave the country.  2 years after their citizenship was stripped."

Summary of the Edmunds Act: On February 16, 1882, the U.S. Senate passed the Edmunds Act, and it was approved in the House on March 14 and soon signed by Chester A. Arthur. It made the offense of unlawful cohabitation much easier to prove than polygamy misdemeanor and made it illegal for polygamists or cohabitants to vote, hold public office, or serve on juries.

Question: Can you comprehend???

Contrary, We're going to

Contrary,

We're going to need a better source than wiki son.

I find it hard to consider any source valid that uses run-on sentences.  I guess that's what happens when any idiot can edit.

I can comprehend the Edmunds Act, what I can't comprehend is your usage of a terrible source.

you're just another arrogant

you're just another arrogant asshole. No need to worry about responding since I will be ignoring you hence forth.

Contrary, Looks like

Contrary,

Looks like somebody didn't read the terms of use agreement for Newsbusters.

Profanity is strictly prohibited.

So now, not only are you lacking effective research skills, you're also lacking class.

Nice combo.

contrary -- here's a good

contrary -- here's a good primer on the Common Law foundation of American citizenship.

Even if everything Leon said were true, which is clearly isn't, I see no reference that says an American born child can be strpped of his citizenship based on their parents actions.

Citizenship in the United States

Matters relating to citizenship have always been of concern in the United States, primarily because it is a nation of immigrants. In the early days of the republic there also was a problem of conflicting federal and state responsibilities in this area.

Native and Naturalized Citizens. American citizenship at birth is gained primarily jure soli, but children born abroad to American parents generally are entitled to American citizenship also. Naturalization requirements have changed frequently. Until the 1920s they generally were designed to encourage large-scale immigration. Thereafter immigration was restricted stringently, both in total numbers and according to national origins. Immigration restrictions and naturalization requirements are closely related, so that permanent entry to the United States generally is limited to those eligible to become citizens.

Naturalized citizens legally are equal in almost all respects to persons who have been Americans from birth. The only constitutional disqualification of naturalized citizens is for the offices of president and vice president of the United States. However, naturalized citizens have been subject to loss of citizenship on grounds not applicable to the native-born.

Naturalized citizens who subsequently were believed to have been members of allegedly subversive organizations were, during the 1940s and 1950s, often charged with falsifying their original applications for citizenship; in these cases they were subjected to possible revocation of citizenship and deportation. American law also provided for denaturalization of naturalized citizens who took up permanent residence abroad within five years after naturalization. The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (the McCarran-Walter Act) also provided for the loss of U.S. citizenship of any naturalized citizen who later resided abroad for five years or for three years in the country of his or her birth or previous nationality. The purpose of these provisions, which were abandoned in 1990, was to deny U.S. citizenship to aliens who did not transfer their permanent allegiance to the United States in good faith. Federal courts and legislators, however, came to view the laws as unreasonable encroachments on the constitutional rights of citizens.

Loss of Citizenship. Several actions have been legal cause for loss of U.S. citizenship for any American, native or naturalized. These include voluntary naturalization in a foreign state, taking an oath of allegiance to a foreign state, unauthorized service in foreign armed forces, employment by a foreign government under certain circumstances, voting in a foreign election, formal renunciation of American nationality, desertion, treason, and draft avoidance.

The U.S. Supreme Court has held unconstitutional the desertion provision (Trop v. Dulles; 1958) and the foreign elections restriction (Afroyim v. Rusk; 1967) and has cast doubt on the validity of all other provisions withdrawing citizenship except when it is voluntarily relinquished. Naturalization in a foreign state, however, still may be held to constitute such relinquishment. A law proposed in 2003 as a supplement to the USA Patriot Act of 2001, which was passed in response to terrorist attacks that year against the United States, would strip citizenship from any person who knowingly provides material support to an allegedly terrorist organization. The provision, however, remains controversial.

Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me!

Jack, Quick

Jack,

Quick point.

George Romney wasn't an American born child.

family tree rings

Native and Naturalized Citizens. American citizenship at birth is gained primarily jure soli, but children born abroad to American parents generally are entitled to American citizenship also.

To be honest, I have a gnat's interest in Mitt Romney's great-grandparents, and as I detailed, since when has that got anything to do with anything -- though I should point out that some might think it was suspiciously like a Nazi lite test of racial purity. Not me, of course.

So unless you can show conclusively that neither of George Romney's parents were not American citizens (I am assuming he didn't marry his sister) then I just cannot accept your seemingly opaque reasoning based on -- uh, nothing at all as far as I can discern.

Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me!

Good post, Jack. Of course, when leon goes into troll mode,

...as he is on this subject, "reasoning", opaque or otherwise, has nothing to do with his posts.  

He's just gaming.

Poor RJ, She has no leg

Poor RJ,

She has no leg to stand on so she has to rely on others to challenge Leon.

What a cheerleader you are!  Rah Rah Rah!

Creepy leon scurries to the bathroom stall again

So predictable.  Creepy leon gets batted around and immediately runs to the bathroom stall with his laptop for more comforting fantasies of turning males into "housewives." 

Yuck, what a creep.

RJ, Don't you get tired

RJ,

Don't you get tired of repeating the same exact comeback every single time I put you in your place?

Doesn't it get old?  Don't you ever feel the urge to get creative on it?  Hit me with something new?

How boring.

leon, don't you get tired

of hiding behind the same creepy fantasy?

No, But I do get tired of

No,

But I do get tired of you pretending that your real life is a fantasy.

Only a housewife could have as much free time as you do on a daily basis.

haha! Says the troll who overloads the boards

posting out of a bathroom stall.

RJ: 4 Leon: 0

RJ: 4

Leon: 0

 

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Syrius

Syrius - did you see that?

You were "censored" again. Ha ha.

Maybe your posts exceed the creepy quotient and get filtered out . . .

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Second posting, somewhat edited to get through the censors...

An apology to RJ...

RJ,

I know you & I have had a rough start with the "What is Art?"
question and the nonresponsive answer you gave. Water under the bridge.
I didn't mean to call you a "Retarded Jacka$$" because that would be a
contradiction in terminology knowing your not a democrat donkey I just
couldn't figure out a good 'J' word for a rightwinger maybe you could.
I was just lashing out in a stupid defensive posture when someone tends
to push me around in the sandbox they own. I truly apologize for letting you get
so upset with me and my postings. As I have said before, I've changed
& I am willing to fight the good fight against the dirty, naughty
leftwingers. I called botg an offensive name, "Brainchild Of The
Gloryhole", without realizing the true definition of 'gloryhole'. I had meant it as a compliment meaning he could be considered the mouthpiece for the second coming of Christ & he would hark when that would be occuring. I was ashamed to find out that 'gloryhole' has an entirely different meaning. Not
that you would ever go into a public men's room, but did you know that
gloryhole is a round opening between the stalls for two men to have
illicit contact much like what Sen. Larry Craig-R was trying to do in
an airport stall. It would have been a lot easier for him if he had a
now defined accurately gloryhole to peer in and see there was a cop on
the other side. So, wrapping up...Leon
is not 'coaching' me at all. I've seen the light & I'm one of you.
Well, not really, I'm not a girl.

Your friend in arms,

Syrius

"when i get something on my hand that smells like crap i don't need to taste it." botg

ps...I'd show you the corresponding youtube "elephant eating poop"
video but I told botg I'd refrain from showing it again...the Mom was
really funny in showing her kids a not uncommon practice between
two boy elephants.

 

First of all conservatives don't hail the virtues of
"open-mindedness". Secondly, conservatives listen to all points of
view and then decide which is most correct. mattm

What are you droning and whining about now, Syrius?

You're such a Drama Queen with your self-pitying cut & pastes....

Leon's Junior Clone

RJ: 1

Creepy Leon Imitator: 0

 

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double post alert!

And he doesn't do the dreaded double post!  My bad, sorry.

Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who didn't. - Ben Franklin

Not fair to Leon. Leon is

Not fair to Leon. Leon is coherent and articulate.

Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who didn't. - Ben Franklin

You saw what I posted, right?

Leon,

It's gone! I've got copies! Keep it up, RJ...all night long!

WOW!

Syrius the censored!

First of all conservatives don't hail the virtues of
"open-mindedness". Secondly, conservatives listen to all points of
view and then decide which is most correct. mattm

Syrius, I did not see your

Syrius, I did not see your post, but as I mentioned on a different thread, some of my posts have just up and disappeared too.  I don't think it is a vast right-wing conspiracy like 9/11 and Whitewater, however, just digital demons.

Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who didn't. - Ben Franklin

Ha!

Did you notice Leon doesn't seem to get "censored"

Try not to be more creepy than Leon, maybe that will help . . .

 

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Right Jack, i don't

Right Jack,

i don't disagree.  And George Romney was entitled to apply for naturalized citizenship prior to coming to America (assuming his parents were even still citizens at the time of his birth).

This was never done, thus he is an illegal immigrant.

Was he, leon?

On your sayso?   Nope, it's just your usual assertions without evidence....or links...

You're just trolling and gaming.

This has got to be the funniest...

headline in the history of Newspapers! 

Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/ 

Shazam blam

The American public is far different than they were even a decade ago.  They've become hip and savvy in ways that hurt Democrats and the MSM.  They will spot these infantile attempts at demonizing Huckabee, and the MSM will lose even more credibility.  As always, the MSM won't see it, living in their hermetically sealed moonbat echo chamber.

If Huckabee falters, it will be because voters on the Right reject him, not because Harry Smith and his ilk are silly twits doing kindergarten name calling.

Yeah but...

You gotta admit though, it is funny as hell. 

Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/ 

Sha-Zay-Yum

But can he fix a carburetor? 

Election Oh-wait!

The headline should've been Hucka-doodle-doo (eat chicken) & The Hipster.

Where the hell did they get Shazam? 

Gomer Pyle used to say it all the time...

lol.

Go, Huck!

Syrius

What, Harry Smith biased?

This shows the arrogance of the MSM on two accounts - they disdain southerners and they despise their stereotype of a Christian.