If whoever plays the Nazi-analogy card first loses, then Rep. Jim Moran (D-Va.) is a double loser. First, for having played the Bush = Hitler card, second, for lacking the courage to stick by his slander.
Moran, a member of Congress' Out-of-Iraq Caucus, was a guest on this evening's Tucker. The eponymous host was hammering him over the fact that despite all their inflamed anti-war rhetoric, the Dems have folded like the proverbial lawn chair, caving to all President Bush's funding requests for Iraq. When Moran could take the taunting no longer, he resorted to the loser's strategy. But watch how he back-pedaled when Carlson called him on it . . .
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JAMES MORAN: When is [Pres. Bush] going to show some real respect for our troops? Show us what your plan is. What is your exit strategy? It's been five years now! How about an exit strategy, Mr. President, and those of you who support the president's policy?
TUCKER CARLSON: And yet he's still beating ya. I mean, he's crushing, spanking you. You've gotten nowhere and he's gotten everything he wants. Maybe it's time to revise your strategy, don't you think?
MORAN: Well, you know, I could take you back to the '30s and early '40s when there were some pretty bad people who were winning, but they weren't running for the right cause. This is not the right cause.
CARLSON: Comparing Bush to Hitler?
MORAN: I didn't say that.
CARLSON: Well I'm asking you: is that what you're doing?
MORAN: I, I, I'm just telling you that they, ah, you can have, ah, victories one after another, but they're not they're not sustainable because they're not for the right reasons.
Score this one Tucker: 1, Moran: -2.
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.
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"for lacking the courage to
December 21, 2007 - 22:08 ET by Chris Norman"for lacking the courage to stick by his slander."
Moran reminds me of this character.
Of course he won't stand by
December 21, 2007 - 22:24 ET by motherbeltOf course he won't stand by his slander. He said earlier that our troops had perpetrated "ethnic cleansing" in Iraq. Now where would the order for that come from?
This guy wants to be free to shoot off his mouth without consequences and without having to back up what he says. He is a disgrace.
mb,Remember the charges
December 21, 2007 - 22:29 ET by Chris Normanmb,
Remember the charges from the Democrats that the Republicans were "vicious"? I never understood what leg they were using to stand on. I can't think of one elected Republican who makes comments even approaching the vicinity of the Democrats nastiness. Can you? Where are the Dorothies to swat the Cowardly Dems on the nose?
Moran's just bringing
December 21, 2007 - 22:42 ET by motherbeltMoran's just bringing up the 1930's for kicks. No connection with Bush.
He brings up Hitler winning, but not for the right reasons, and Bush
winning, but not for the right reasons. But hey, don't go suggesting
he's making a comparison!!
If Moran really believes our troops ahve engaged in ethnic
cleansing, he should be demanding an investigation, with troops being
charged with war crimes, at the very least. He should be demanding the
removal of the responsible commanders in the field, up to and including
General Petraeus, and even impeachment of President Bush, as Commander
in Chief. But he knows it's not true; he just wants to shoot off his mouth for effect, without repercussion.
I'm sick to death of Democrats claiming that they have to learn to "fight dirty" like the Republicans do. They wrote the book on dirty fighting. To answer your question: No, I can't think of a single Republican who descends to that level of vitriol.
For the life of me, I can't
December 21, 2007 - 22:49 ET by Chris NormanFor the life of me, I can't either. It's a myth the media helped spread.
Where are the apologies and resignations
December 21, 2007 - 22:09 ET by Lame CherryWhere are the apologies and the resignations or even the giving book money back to all the people from Jim Moran to Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch for their slandering George Bush and his policy in the Middle East, especially dealing with Iraq.
Jim Moran throws the Nazi garbage around like all liberals, but where is the apology for Hugh Fitzgerald who Robert Spencer features who had a racist diatribe on "tarbaby Iraq" who like so many were exposed by Conservative Victor Davis Hansen showing that there is a very horrid group in America who "hate those people over there because of race".
Cheers for Carlson for once doing something good, but there are so many people he should get on from his own fill in host who is horrid to a list of the above mentioned.
Where though are all of these people now proven ABSOLUTELY WRONG on Iraq policy and George Bush being right resigning and giving back all their book deal money as they have proven they do not know a thing about the "expert" subjects they claim.
You expect this from Moran as he is a bigot, but others need to be held to the fire of humiliation too as the biggest censors in America are not on the right, but those on the left banning people from sites or like Moran screaming Nazi to try and win a point.
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Count The losses
December 21, 2007 - 22:12 ET by Jerry MackI suggest to Moran and the other Dims to count their losses and shut up!
What would they know about victories?
And Mr. Moran has
December 21, 2007 - 22:18 ET by SMGalbraithAnd Mr. Moran has received campaign donations from what infamous MSNBC host*?
Answer
*(In all fairness, the donations were made in 1990, '92 and '94 before he became a MSNBC host)
SMG
Why Worry?
December 21, 2007 - 23:41 ET by CaringwhiteguyWhy worry about being fair to Chris Matthews? The pure light of your disclosure is just one more example illustrating the theme of the NB website. Good job SMG.
(In all fairness, the
December 22, 2007 - 09:39 ET by motherbelt(In all fairness, the donations were made in 1990, '92 and '94 before he became a MSNBC host)
Doesn't matter...it illustrates where his sympathies lie.
Bush=Hitler is the wrong
December 21, 2007 - 22:36 ET by riff_raffBush=Hitler is the wrong analogy.
I'd like someone to explain the difference between Hillary's political platform and those of the 1930's German National Socialists.
Clintonism=National Socialism.
Off the top of my head
December 22, 2007 - 00:29 ET by mvfreemanThis doesn't really describe "america is the problem liberals"...
The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001-07.
nationalism
political or social philosophy in which the welfare of the nation-state as an entity is considered paramount. Nationalism is basically a collective state of mind or consciousness in which people believe their primary duty and loyalty is to the nation-state. Often nationalism implies national superiority and glorifies various national virtues. Thus love of nation may be overemphasized; concern with national self-interest to the exclusion of the rights of other nations may lead to international conflict.
Also this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party
And this...
National Socialism was similar in many respects to Italian fascism (see Fascism). The roots of National Socialism, however, were peculiarly German, grounded, for example, in the Prussian tradition of military authoritarianism and expansion; in the German romantic tradition of hostility to rationalism, liberalism, and democracy; in various racist doctrines according to which the Nordic peoples, as so-called pure Aryans, were not only physically superior to other races, but were the carriers of a superior morality and culture; and in certain philosophical traditions that idealized the state or exalted the superior individual and exempted such a person from conventional restraints
Not exactly the philosophy of the multi-culti crowd.
The socialism practiced by the nazi party was for the purpose of marshalling the countrys resources to achieve national and cultural dominance, which is antithetical to liberals in this country.
Help me out, please, with
December 22, 2007 - 10:59 ET by JerHelp me out, please, with the political labeling. Are the Clintons Nazis, Marxists, or Stalinists? Thanks.
Jer
Yes, Jer
December 22, 2007 - 11:04 ET by Cool ArrowThey are.
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LOL!!
December 22, 2007 - 11:22 ET by motherbeltLOL!!
Appreciate the clarification, CA.
December 22, 2007 - 11:38 ET by JerAppreciate the clarification, CA.
Jer
Moran = Moron, Duh!
December 21, 2007 - 23:28 ET by stratmanThis was hardly a decisive response from Carlson.
Moran needed his feet held to the flame and either explicitly state what he meant or clearly be boxed in such that his idiocy or apology was given full bloom.
Instead, Carlson let him tap dance out of the danger zone.
A Hitler here, a little fascism there. What's a little hyperbole and slander amongst politicians? Not much, I gather.
If you want to stop the rancor in politics then you have to stop it wherever it rears its ugly head. Carslon missed the opportunity. Any further dialogue with Moran was poisoned fruit when he promotes his exploitatory bigotry and hate.
Killing them with kindness isn't working. Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.
Good Catch
December 21, 2007 - 23:44 ET by CaringwhiteguyTucker could have pushed harder . . . and then could have tied Moran's "ethnic cleansing" statement in for good measure.
CWG: You are correct. I
December 22, 2007 - 00:29 ET by stratmanCWG:
You are correct. I had forgotten about that obscene comment. These comments should follow Moran wherever he is interviewed until he sincerely apologizes (a la Don Imus, not Disk Durbin) or resigns his position of "leadership".
Killing them with kindness isn't working. Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.
Tucker was not so bad
December 22, 2007 - 04:26 ET by KC MulvilleI thought Tucker dangled enough rope in front of Moran to let Moran hang himself. He could have pointed out a lot of things, but it's like the old saying: when your opponent is killling himself, get out of his way.
Stepping Away - How Many Times?
December 22, 2007 - 04:49 ET by stratmanYou would be correct IF the media actually did their job and took Moran to task or at least reported his inanities front and center. Additionally, Moran is given tacit support in the form of silence from fellow politicians.
Carlson at least redirected Moran to expound on his statements, though with minimal effect unless one payed close attention as did our Mr. Finkelstein.
In today's audiovisual overkill world, what was significant in previous days is becoming subtlety missed by the masses. Like keeping promises made in generation's past, language has lost some of its power to persuade and enlighten. Just read the nonsense on Al Gore's investment website http://www.generationim.com/, a fruit salad of empty calories.
Killing them with kindness isn't working. Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.
Sorry, KC, have to
December 22, 2007 - 09:49 ET by motherbeltSorry, KC, have to disagree. Dangling the rope in front of him isn't enough. Moran declined to put his head into the noose; Tucker should have looped it over his head and pulled it snug.
He should have said, Mr. Moran, earlier you said our troops "ethnically cleansed" Iraq, and now you make a slipshod, implied comparison of President Bush to Hitler in the 1930's. Would you like to clarify those statements?
I am SICK. TO. DEATH. of these politicians being allowed to spew these slanders and just have them lie there, unopposed, so they can make points with the KosKids and the MoveOn.org lefties. These so-called "interviewers" need to jump on them immediately, not 2 days later. Do you hear any other media types jumping on Moran? No. Why do you think that is? Because people like Tucker Carlson let it lie, ASSUMING that everyone heard it and knows it, and will be outraged.
Well, everyone didn't, and doesn't, and isn't . That's how they get away with this slime.
Jeez, Trent Lott made ONE half-a$$ed comment about Strom Thurmond and NO ONE waited for him to hang himself with it. They beat him with it unmercifully until he resigned his leadership post (I'm surprised he resisted resigning from the Senate completely)! What Moran said about our soldiers was almost at the level of a "blood libel" and it should not be allowed to just fade away. And maybe someone should ask him if he intends to push for "war crimes" charges against those "ethnic cleansing" soldiers. Make him put his money where his mouth is!
If Mr. Moran is going to make charges like that, he'd damn well better be ready to back them up!
But who will make him "back them up"?
December 22, 2007 - 10:16 ET by general companyThe media just proved they wont.
Absolute shame that this pathetic creature is allowed to represent the American people. His constituency needs to get a grip.
"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest". Mark Twain
Maybe if everyone were to
December 22, 2007 - 11:29 ET by motherbeltMaybe if everyone were to flood the Senate switchboard it might make a wave. Unfortunately they are all home for the holidays.
I wonder if Moran considered that before opening his mouth. And knowing that by the time they come back, it will have faded.
Hey, if Joy Behar can "wonder" if Republicans can cause a stroke, I can wonder about that.
One objective of comments
December 22, 2007 - 11:43 ET by ArmedDadOne objective of comments such as Moran's is to paralyze thinking and elicit an emotional response,thereby preventing a reasoned reply.
"the purpose of marshalling
December 22, 2007 - 00:59 ET by robert108"the purpose of marshalling the countrys resources"
That is exactly the leftie agenda. They just want the power; it doesn't matter what they use it for, our freedom will be gone.
What a monumental ass and
December 22, 2007 - 01:09 ET by zootallureWhat a monumental ass and freakin weasel this guy is. Hey Rep. Moron you remind me of Benedict Arnold but dont get the idea I'm comparing him to you....he had more honor.
MSM: Like the Dodo bird, soon to be extinct.
December 22, 2007 - 05:56 ET by riff_raffThe MSM, and liberals in general, are like tired old dinosaurs. They have been saying and doing the same thing forever, seeing themselves as giant, striding, dominant masters of the media world. Unfortunately, their little tiny brains (relative to body mass) are completely unable to comprehend the fact that they are soon to be extinct. There is a gigantic asteroid headed directly at them that will destroy them and their world. That asteroid is the new media.
And the species that will rise up to replace the old, pathetic MSM dinosaurs, will be a warm-blooded free-market creature. Whose evolutionary success or failure will be determined by millions of readers, exercising their free choice. Instead of a handful of leftist media executives deciding for them, what is newsworthy and what is not.
Liberals should be OK with this. After all, aren't they big proponents of evolution, Darwinism and survival of the fittest?
Let Moran know what you think of his statements...
December 22, 2007 - 05:45 ET by Parker1227Here is his contact page Rep. Moran.
If you happen to live in the 8th district in Virginia (Fairfax, Alexandria, DC area), he will pay special attention to your POV.
Best not to flame him. Measured (reasoned) anger will be taken more seriously.
Be advised, NB'ers..if you
December 22, 2007 - 08:18 ET by motherbeltBe advised, NB'ers..if you try to do it online, you have to put in a zip to get access to the form.which requires name, address, etc ..it weeds out non-Virginians. But all you folks who are "blessed" with this man for a rep....have at 'im! Flood his constituent mailbox!
Liberals
December 22, 2007 - 11:24 ET by iveseenitallFor an old guy like me any exposure of this kind of "liberal" ignorance is better than nothing. Nothing, no response was what I witnessed most of my life, both in the media and in my professional career. As "liberals" like this moron Moran spouted every manner of ignorant drivel, most people just stood by and listened to it. Ironically, those who spoke out against it were condemned. This is the tryanny of "liberalism", socialism, and communism. Thank goodness for the internet and sites like NB. Keep fighting these ignoramuses.
BTW, Bill is calling Hill a "genius'". This word is so misused by the left, it is almost laughable. I've known very few certifiable geniuses in my life. What's her I.Q.? Come to think of it, what's his I.Q.?
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Ive, I don't know Bill's IQ
December 23, 2007 - 21:54 ET by MikeBIve, I don't know Bill's IQ number, but he was a Rhodes Scholar. You can't be a dummy and be a Rhodes Scholar. Bill is quite smart in a weaseloid kind of way. Don't get the idea that IQ and intelligence are the same thing. I have my doubts about Bill's intelligence (hell, he married Hillary, didn't he?), but I imagine his IQ number is well above average.
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