Discussing the controversy surrounding his latest campaign ad and the broader issue of his invocation of religion in his political campaign, the normally good-natured Mike Huckabee turned . . . cross on this morning's Today. And while contending he wanted to promote a kinder tone at this time of year, the candidate came prepared to take some pointed shots at Mitt Romney.
View video here.
MEREDITH VIEIRA: Let's talk about this Christmas ad, because it comes after you have taken some hits from the critics, first for calling yourself a Christian leader, then for questioning whether Mormons believe Christ and the devil were brothers, something you did apologize for.
Now in this ad you are say people should be celebrating the birth of Christ while the shape of a cross appears to take shape behind you. And that has led some to say that this is another overt religious appeal to voters. What do you say about this ad and about those criticisms?
MIKE HUCKABEE: That floating cross is a bookshelf, Meredith. We were all amused -- the production crew I think probably more than anyone, who put the spot together.
VIEIRA: So you didn't see that image when you put the spot together, that it might be confused?
HUCKABEE: Absolutely not. I would love for you to interview the crew. They would find this incredibly amusing. People are looking for anything in the world. It's almost like it's so
politically incorrect to say Merry Christmas anymore. I find this pretty amazing. Somebody will probably figure out as I was blinking my eyes, I was saying some special code, Morse Code and telling people a subliminal message. It's beyond ridiculous. You can't even say Merry Christmas without people getting offended by it.
When Meredith remarked on Huckabee's obvious tone of annoyance, the former Arkansas governor denied it.
VIEIRA: You're sounding like you're fed up with some of the criticisms that have been levelled your way --HUCKABEE: I'm amused by it. I'm not fed up by it. I'm totally amazed people are so sensitive today. For example, I bet you and even david gregory are going to get off next tuesday because it's christmas. We celebrate christmas. In the harshness of this political campaign with attack ads and negative stuff coming atus every day, we decided we wanted to do something that showed, hey, folks, life isn't all about politics. Life is also about our family and friends. We thought the ad would maybe try to change the tone of the political campaign. Instead, people tried to look at something sinister behind the spot. And it's just beyond incredible to me.
A bit later, while claiming he wanted to promote a kinder, gentler tone, it was obvious that Huckabee had come armed to attack Mitt Romney.
HUCKABEE: It is Christmas. That's what we do on December 25th. Even government offices shut down that day. Couldn't we shut down the harsh rhetoric of politics for just a few days? And that's what we were trying to say. I've been attacked every day. Mitt Romney is out there saying all these clemencies. What he doesn't tell you is he never did one but he only looked at 100 cases. I looked at 8700 cases.VIEIRA: So the people understand what you're talking about, he says you granted over 1,000 pardons and clemencies while you were governor.
HUCKABEE: Not one was walking out of prison who had been a murderer.
No doubt true, but Huckabee doesn't mention the case of a rapist who became a murderer after he was released on a parole the then governor had lobbied for.
HUCKABEE: [Romney] brags that he denied them all. Here's one he needs to talk about.
Huckabee went on to describe a case of Romney's denial of a pardon to someone who as a youngster had shot someone with a BB gun without breaking his skin, then went on to become a decorated soldier serving in Iraq. He needed the pardon to become a policeman. Huckabee contrasted Romney's denials of pardon with one he had granted to someone who had taken a youthful joyride as a passenger and needed the pardon to get into culinary school.
HUCKABEE: You let the people of America decided which person you'd rather have president: one who looked at his own political fortunes or one who actually tried to do the job and make decisions that were responsible you're supposed to serve.
There followed a lengthy foreign policy discussion during which Huckabee declined to withdraw his accusation that the Bush administration was "arrogant" and had a "bunker mentality."
Toward the end of the interview, Vieira invited Huckabee to comment on a recent column by Rich Lowry of the National Review opining it would be suicide for Republicans to nominate Huckabee. In response, the candidate engaged in some of the class rhetoric that has characterized his campaign.
Annotated excerpts:
- The Wall Street to Washington axis, this corridor of power, is absolutely frantically against me.
Wall Street to Washington "axis"? Echoes of Pres. Bush's "axis of evil"?
- But out there in America the reason we're number one in the polls is I'm the guy that doesn't have an offshore mailbox and bank account in the Caymans hiding my money, I'm the guy that worked my way up through it.
A viewer could easily have been led to assume the Caymans bank account barb was aimed at Romney. In fact it was Bill Clinton who was recently found to have three Cayman-based investments.
- And there are a whole lot of people in America that believe the president ought to be a servant of the people and ought not to be elected to the ruling class.
- [As Arkansas governor]I never did propose that we would impose our religion on somebody else. What I did could was improve children's health, the road system. But we didn't do it just for people at the top. The tax policies and other things we did, it helped other people at the bottom so they might have the chance to live the American dream. For that, I apologize to no one.
Back to the TV ad. It strains credulity that the image of the cross would have escaped the notice of the creators of such a professionally-produced commercial. Since the ad was explicitly about Christmas, and Huckabee spoke of the "birth of Christ," there'd be nothing unusual about a cross appearing. So why deny it so vehemently?
Bonus Coverage: Mitchell's Subtle Message
In an earlier segment about Hillary in Iowa, just as Andrea Mitchell mentioned that Bill's participation "can be a mixed blessing on the campaign," the screen flashed the image shown here.
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.
















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I agree..the cross is obvious to the most casual observer
December 19, 2007 - 10:50 ET by JayTeeBut Heck, Ya wanna put a cross in your commercial, go ahead. If it represents something in your campaign, so be it.
If it annoys the MSM, do it some MORE....I wish Dubya would annoy the MSM more than he does. Fred T. for Press Secretary!
The MSM will talk about "Pardons" all day long when it concerns Huckabee, but they will NOT talk about or list any of Clinton's Presidential Pardons, and if Hillary is elected, we'll see more Pardons than the MSM can shake a cross at.
Maybe I'm just denser than
December 19, 2007 - 11:45 ET by dmntd1Maybe I'm just denser than the average bear. It took me until the third viewing of the ad to realize that the bookshelf is what people were referring to as the cross. For goodness' sake, there are brightly colored balls on the left side of the shelf.
I think we're all going to always notice the cross now, thanks to some hyper-sensitive-to-christian-icon fool out there. Now, that bookshelf-that-looks-like-a-cross is the main theme of that ad. No, I think the production staff looked at the monitors and saw the bookshelf behind Huckabee.
As for class warfare, I think his Cayman Island slam was directed right at the Democrats, who, as this site (I think?) has shown, now represents the richest zip-codes in this country. We all know who represents the rich now...
I really think that questioning others' masculinity is a game probably better left to people who haven't had more cock in and out of them than a Tyson Chicken regional distribution center. AceOfSpades 06162007
The Hillary campaign won't make this Mistake....
December 19, 2007 - 12:00 ET by JayTeeWhat is it that a Cross does to a blood sucking "Tax the Rich" Vampire ?
...throughout history it's
December 19, 2007 - 12:40 ET by TruthMonger...throughout history it's always the usual suspects "reacting" to the "controversy" of the cross - never changes...Satan, vampires, terrorists, athiests...liberals...Democrats...
It is NOT
December 19, 2007 - 14:42 ET by MikeknaJIt is *not* obvious to the most casual observer. I watched the ad twice and didn't notice anything and only did once I read a critical story and actually stopped to look for a cross somewhere.
This is the worst example of a plethora of ridiculous stories that Huckabee's had to deal with recently. Sure, it goes with the polls and the limelight, but criticize the man on something fair and substantive, not floating fake crosses that are like something out of a rorschach test.
http://www.xanga.com/mikeknaj
MikeknaJ...Then you don't Qualify to be...
December 19, 2007 - 15:04 ET by JayTeeIf you didn't see the Cross the first time, then you do NOT Qualify to be a Democrat, a journalist, or a MSM talking head.
That only leaves you with being a Republican, Neo-Con, New Media personna.
Is this one of
December 19, 2007 - 16:13 ET by Chris NormanIs this one of those perception tests like "a duck or a rabbit"?
I don't think Huckabee was
December 19, 2007 - 10:54 ET by taterI don't think Huckabee was dening the fact about a cross appearing in his ad. He was saying it was a bookshelf...which had I not heard the MSM making a big stink about it, I probably wouldn't have noticed a cross either.
If he really wants the media to get into an uproar, put an actual cross in an ad. He'd probably get bonus points from the MSM if the cross has Jesus hanging from it.
Do you realize how much it costs to run for office? More than any honest man could afford. -Montgomery Burns
He said he was "absolutely
December 19, 2007 - 10:59 ET by Mark FinkelsteinHe said he was "absolutely not" aware of the image, and elsewhere his campaign has claimed its inclusion was "absolutely accidental": http://blogs.usatoda...
the question I have is -
December 19, 2007 - 12:42 ET by TruthMongerthe question I have is - why does this matter? If it was a swastika or an abortion photo I could relate, but what am I missing here, Mark? Anybody?
On one level, TM, I agree.
December 19, 2007 - 13:22 ET by Mark FinkelsteinOn one level, TM, I agree. There's nothing wrong at all with Huck having a cross in Christmas ad. What's odd is his denial.
ok, yes, that is
December 19, 2007 - 13:25 ET by TruthMongerok, yes, that is disappointing to me - it fuels the misconception that it is wrong - and seeing as the MSM is actually applauding this ad it seems now that Huckabee is looking this gift horse in the mouth...
tater, Huckabee didn't deny the cross "appeared in his ad"
December 19, 2007 - 11:08 ET by RJ...he denied that it was either deliberate or that his production crew noticed it. It's insulting to be asked to believe that.
BTW, he said the same thing on Morning Joe. The crew (including Mika) had no problem with the cross appearing, but was openly skeptical of his claims.
That's what I meant...you
December 19, 2007 - 11:23 ET by taterThat's what I meant...you said it better than I did.
Also with the bonus coverage...I saw that quick b-roll of slick Willie with his arms around the two gals. I busted out laughing.
Do you realize how much it costs to run for office? More than any honest man could afford. -Montgomery Burns
Yesterday, I saw two sticks
December 19, 2007 - 11:15 ET by CapitalismRulesYesterday, I saw two sticks on the ground that were in the shape of the "Christian" Cross. This offended me deeply as this symbol has no place in a tax-payer sponsored park. I am writing my congressman to ensure that all twings, sticks and branches stay out of the public realm and urge all like-minded, lucid, intelligent citizens to do the same. Mike Huckabee should be ashamed that such a deplorable shape was in his ad. Doesn't he know all of the killing that has taken place in the name of his so called..."religion?"
I'm sorry, I can't type anymore....I'm laughing way too hard.
i really think we need a
December 19, 2007 - 12:44 ET by TruthMongeri really think we need a new US constitutional amendment on this - you have THE RIGHT TO BE OFFENDED?
I'm actually serious about this...
Probably true. We
December 19, 2007 - 12:48 ET by CapitalismRulesProbably true. We could use that. Unless you are one of those people who wakes up in the morning and asks "how can I be offended by someone today?" Who the heck cares if it was a cross or not? The guy does not try to hide his Christian background, so it's all on the table.
maybe it should be I HAVE
December 19, 2007 - 13:16 ET by TruthMongermaybe it should be I HAVE THE RIGHT TO OFFEND YOU?
The libs would love that. Our lib-driven pop-culture offends the hell out of me every day...
It should read: A well
December 19, 2007 - 15:06 ET by CapitalismRulesIt should read:
A well regulated individual, being necessary to the sanity of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear insults, shall not be infringed.
The Cross
December 19, 2007 - 11:17 ET by RovinThe "Cross" is actually a bookshelf and Huck said this morning if you play the video backwards slowly you can hear some one saying "Paul is dead". Huck's got a great sense of humor.
Rovin
Ron Paul is going to be
December 19, 2007 - 11:45 ET by Hero SquadRon Paul is going to be ticked.
*****
"There are no stupid questions. Only stupid people who ask questions." - Chris Berman
Ron Paul is worried that the ad heralds incipient "fascism"
December 19, 2007 - 11:51 ET by RJI'm surprised the media didn't pick up on his comment that the ad made him think of the Sinclair Lewis quote, "When fascism comes to our country, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross."
What an odd thing to say for a man who wants to be President of the United States.
RJ -- HOW DARE you remotely
December 19, 2007 - 12:52 ET by Jack BauerRJ -- HOW DARE you remotely criticize Ron Paul in even the most tangential way!!
Don't you understand -- the latest scientific polls from reputable websites (www.paul4president.c...) show Dr Paul leading the Republican race...
Ron Paul 96.7%
Rudy Guiliani 1.1%
Mitt Romney 0.2%
Fred Thompson 1%
Mike Huckabee - (minus) 30%
So stop the madness now RJ - and accept the inevitable.
But, Jack, why is Ron Paul quoting a dabbler in Socialism
December 19, 2007 - 13:19 ET by RJ...as a response to a Christian ad?
Is there something going on that we aren't aware of? If so, does that have something to do with his attracting so many from the left end of the political spectrum?
Not just left, both.
December 19, 2007 - 13:27 ET by sarcasmoEven the overseas-media's getting a clue, and it's no-surprise to me that they're getting it before the domestic variety. Ron Paul is the Democrats' worst nightmare because he's the Republicans' ONLY HOPE. It's exactly the opposite of how certain robots (sorry, but I had to say it...) have been reading the by-now obviously inaccurate polls. I just wish I could convince more of 'em to put their money where their mouths are for those luxury European vacations. Want accuracy no-matter what the candidate or proposition? Look for places where losers can lose MONEY.
JMR
Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul. (All purpose anti-slander-link, sadly-needed these days...)
But, sarky, why did Ron Paul quote a dabbler in Socialism
December 19, 2007 - 13:30 ET by RJin response to a Christian ad?
And why the not-so-veiled reference to jingoism?
Because it *fits*! Lots of us have seen it.
December 19, 2007 - 13:37 ET by sarcasmoHell, I invoked the socialist-dabbler's book days-before, and for the same basic reasons. Huckabee's for not just big, but HUGE, enormous government, judging from his record. I don't trust him, and the more I find out about him & his behavior in high office, the less I like about it.
But take Huckabee out of the equation for the moment if you want. Do you agree with the "dabbler in socialism" (and the first American to win the Nobel prize in literature) that waving a Bible & wearing a flag would make a good strategy for a modern fascist???
JMR
Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul. (All purpose anti-slander-link, sadly-needed these days...)
But YOU didn't quote Lewis in response to a Christian ad, sarky
December 19, 2007 - 13:50 ET by RJ....Ron Paul did.
So, as I asked yesterday, what does Huckabee's big government policies (we are in agreement on that) have to do with fascism? Big government, in and of itself is not fascist. Neither is quoting the bible and waving the flag. You need more evidence to make that leap.
As for Lewis' Nobel prize, I think the quote that best defines his writing talents and proper place in literature comes from Mark Schorer: "He was one of the worst writers in modern American literature, but without his writing one cannot imagine modern American literature..."
C'mon sarc -- okay you can
December 19, 2007 - 13:44 ET by Jack BauerC'mon sarc -- okay you can say you support RP. You can say he's the best.
But he's the only hope for Republicans?????
That's not really supported by any empirical evidence, is it? Except your opinion.
Jack....
December 19, 2007 - 13:48 ET by Clear thinkerRegardless of his policies, does he inspire confidence when you see him in a debate or one of the hundreds of youtube vids?
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
the question to ask yourself
December 19, 2007 - 13:59 ET by sarcasmoIs "why does one candidate have 'hundreds of YouTube vids' compared to others' comparatively lackluster support" when the "mainstream" media's ignoring the guy whenever they can?? IMO it's largely due to massive antilibertarian media bias conflicting with a libertarian message and losing for-once. But I may be missing something -- what other reasons could there be??
JMR
Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul. (All purpose anti-slander-link, sadly-needed these days...)
You can't expect to wield
December 19, 2007 - 14:14 ET by Roger the ShrubberYou can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some out-of-work losers made videos of you on YouTube.
clear -- hey, just like
December 19, 2007 - 18:57 ET by Jack Bauerclear -- hey, just like Chairman Howie, he has the fanatical internet mob behind him!
That's good enough for me. Power to the Mob People!
Seriously conservatives can't argue against the small government, low tax stuff -- but some of it is just nuts IMHO. And in my world, nuts trumps all -- even if it's only 5%. Because y'know... even nuts can make sense at times.
I mean, Mussollini made the trains run on time. So if it hadn't been for the unfortunate nut part (fascism, supporting Hitler, trying to take over the world) he made a lotta sense!
He ended upside down, dangling from a lamp-post.
And with all due respect to sarc (and I do respect some of his ideas) I think actual conerservatives (that is folks who act conservatively) find the apparent total fanaticism exhibited by many of his supporters to be.. uh creepy, repelent, intolerant, and too reminicent of the left.
See the link I already gave you.
December 19, 2007 - 13:54 ET by sarcasmoObviously, it's NOT just my opinion. Others are seeing we could easily split the Democrats. And as I pointed out yesterday, polls of "likely voters" who voted in a meaningless primary aren't accurate IMO. Do you think these lame polls are "evidence"??
In fact, the lack of accuracy might also explain some of Fred Thompson's low poll numbers, so the accuracy-issue goes beyond Paul's campaign IMO. But with so-many Democrats, Independents, and Disgusteds on our side and not just likely but DETERMINED to vote for one guy, it's odd that I have to be the one pointing out the obvious about the failings of polls.
JMR
Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul. (All purpose anti-slander-link, sadly-needed these days...)
forget ron - sarc is going
December 19, 2007 - 12:45 ET by TruthMongerforget ron - sarc is going to go apaplexic - absolute mushroom cloud - Huckabee will surely suffer his wrath - he will wish he had never been born...
Sorry Mike but the criticism just keeps growing...
December 19, 2007 - 11:16 ET by PopularTechThe cross is blatantly obvious and for the Huckster to deny it does not surprise me. No one is offended by mentioning Christmas (at least not conservatives) but turning this into who is ready to be preacher in chief is turning the rest of the GOP against the Huckster. Once people learn the truth that is...
Huckabee on Taxes (Video) (1min)
Ann Coulter: “Huckabee is the Republican Jimmy Carter” (Video) (4min)
Another Man From Hope. Who is Mike Huckabee? (The Wall Street Journal)
Christian conservatives: Beware of Huckabee (WorldNetDaily)
The Huckabee Hustle (American Thinker)
Background:
Age: 52
Education:
- Ordained to ministry Southern Baptist Convention, 1974
- B.A. Religion, Ouachita Baptist University, 1976
Military Experience:
- None
Political Experience:
- Lt. Governor of Arkansas, 1993-1996
- Governor of Arkansas, 1996-2007
Religion:
- Baptist
Crime and Punishment:
Mike Huckabee's Clemency Record Is Under Scrutiny (FOXNews)
Why parole a monster like Green?
Mother of Dumond Victim: "If not for Huckabee, she’d be here for Christmas" (Video) (1min)
Ethics:
Huck's gift-givers ended up in state posts
Huckabee Signed '98 Ad Urging Women to 'Graciously Submit' to Husbands
Education:
Huckabee on Education: No to Vouchers, Let Government Fix It (Standard Newswire)
Fiscal Record:
Huckabee's Fiscal Record
Huckabee: The Biggest Big-Government Conservative (FOXNews)
Mike Huckabee is a Liberal (Club for Growth)
Updated Huckabee White Paper (Club for Growth)
- Immediately upon taking office he signed a sales tax hike in 1996
- He raised taxes on gasoline in 1999
- He supported an internet sales tax in 2001
- He created a $5.25 per day bed-tax on private nursing home patients in 2001
- He publicly opposed the repeal of a sales tax on groceries and medicine in 2002
- He proposed another sales take hike in 2002 to fund education improvements
- He raised taxes on cigarettes in 2003
- He opposed a congressional measure to ban internet taxes in 2003
- He allowed a 17% sales tax increase to become law in 2004
- He increased taxes in the state by more than Bill Clinton did
- He increased state spending 65.3% from 1996 to 2004
- The number of state government workers rose 20% during his tenure
- Governor Huckabee refused to pledge not to raise taxes if elected President
Tax Hike Mike
- Overall, Huckabee’s substantial tax hikes far surpassed his modest tax
cuts, with the average tax burden increasing by a whopping 47% over his
tenure.
Global Warming:
Huckabee is the only Republican candidate to support the economy crippling Cap and Trade CO2 Legislation, Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) Regulation and Renewable Energy Standards
Illegal Immigration:
Laura Ingraham: Huckabee Is A "Big Loser" On Immigration (Audio) (5min)
Huckabee Supported Scholarships for Illegal Aliens (Video) (5min)
Fact Checker: Pinocchios for Huckabee on Illegals (Washington Post)
Huckabee aid plan for illegal aliens draws 'venom, anger' (Arkansas News Bureau)
Huckabee Liberal on Immigration (Standard Newswire)
Huckabee offered 'no-cost' deal for Mexican Consulate (WorldNetDaily)
Huckabee promotes 'open door' policy at League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC) convention (Arkansas News Bureau)
Immigration bill un-Christian, anti-life, governor says (Arkansas News Bureau)
The Anti "Man-Made" Global Warming Resource
PT
December 19, 2007 - 11:32 ET by UphillAre you saying that you would not vote for him?
Correct
December 19, 2007 - 11:47 ET by PopularTechI will not vote for the Huckster or McAmnesty. I will never vote for anyone pro-tax or pro-big government. I will either not vote or vote independent if either became the the nominee. I don't have a problem voting for any of the others running in the GOP: Romney, Thompson, Rudy, Duncan, Tancredo, Paul or even Alan Keyes.
The Anti "Man-Made" Global Warming Resource
Huckabee is not electable
December 19, 2007 - 13:33 ET by mattmHuckabee is not electable as president. He would be an easy target for the Dems to bash, as they have admitted, and his policy stances are so close to the Dems that their candidate could easily make a "real thing" argument against him.
When he wears his status as a pastor on his sleeve, that bothers me a bit. It seems like pandering.
Of course he is he is a man of faith
December 19, 2007 - 14:00 ET by PopularTechWhat other qualifications does he need? He carries a bible and has a degree in Religion! Oh and he can tell stories people like. Wow.
The Anti "Man-Made" Global Warming Resource
Huckabee the gift that keeps on giving...
December 19, 2007 - 13:06 ET by PopularTechNBC Investigates Huckabee's Ethical Shortcomings (Video) (2min)
A Son’s Past Deeds (Dog Torture) Come Back To Bite Huckabee (Newsweek)
The Anti "Man-Made" Global Warming Resource
inclusion
December 19, 2007 - 11:16 ET by OklahomaIsShapedFunnyHuck's explination of the role of Evangelicals in the GOP sounds alot like Rush's take on black's inclusion in the Democrat party.
The party wants their vote (evangelicals/blacks) but if one ever tried to stand up and be elected the party does whatever it can to take their legs out.
What the Huckster does not understand
December 19, 2007 - 11:28 ET by PopularTechNo one in the GOP has a problem with a man of faith, pro-life and pro-gun but when that is all you are and you have blatantly obvious liberal positions on everything else you are going to be criticized. Bush could be considered an evangelical and no one had a problem like this when he ran because he did not have all the liberal baggage the Huckster does. The compasionate conservative should have been a clue and now we know better. Sorry Huck but I will never vote for for a pro-tax, pro-bigger government, pro-illegal alien entitlement and dumbass on foreign policy pro-life liberal.
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frankly alot of Democrats
December 19, 2007 - 12:47 ET by TruthMongerfrankly alot of Democrats have no problem with it either...
Billy Graham is a Democrat, as are a ton of other Christian fundies...
"the elected party does whatever it can to take their legs out"
December 19, 2007 - 11:34 ET by RJOf course, it has nothing to do with the fact that Huck is a liberal, with liberal policies....right?
In fact, nearly all the charges against Huckabee from within the party have to do with policy, not his religion.
On the other hand, it's too bad that evangelicals on this board focus on Romney's religion rather than his policy.
The whole focus should be on policy.
December 19, 2007 - 11:46 ET by Free StinkerOn the other hand, it's too bad that evangelicals on this board focus on Romney's religion rather than his policy.
The whole focus should be on policy. Then people might realize there's a herd of RINOs fighting for the nomination, along with a conservative (Thomson), and a Libertarian (Paul).
Newsbusters. Log on and find out What the heck is so yummy over here!
here's my little ol insignificant opinon on this
December 19, 2007 - 13:12 ET by TruthMongerpolitical policy comes out of values which more often then not come out of a politician's religious experiences and beliefs - and that is good and fine and consitutionally OK - guaranteed and protected by law, actually - there's absolutely nothing wrong with voters considering a candidates faith beliefs - there is nothing wrong even with focusing solely on them if a voter prefers, or even just on one faith issue like abortion or gay marriage if a voter prefers...
this is America and every voter gets to focus on whatever the hell they want to...
too many people here seem to think they can push faith out of politics under the guise of the first amendment...
in some kinda God we have always officially trusted - right now we are a defacto Christian theocracy by virtue of our free democratic process, and someday we could be Muslim (Sharia?) instead, or Jewish, or Buddhist, or athiest, or Satanic church - whatever the voters vote that we should be...and we must accept it - that is the official US constutional deal...
You've GOT to be kidding
December 19, 2007 - 14:19 ET by WinghunterReligion is merely a factor within the decision making progress for any elected official which most often holds a measure that the candidate has been instructed in understanding right from wrong. In the Huckster's case he has an overabundance of instruction yet, apparently none of it sank in or he has applied it wrongheadedly...his records and past actions/statements literally shout this fact at us for anyone bothering to look...and it is our duty and responsibility to look deeply.
Our Founding Fathers left specific instructions and advice on how we were to secure and maintain our future freedom but,what you just offered ain't it, not even close.
so you are saying you
December 19, 2007 - 14:28 ET by TruthMongerso you are saying you disagree:)?
wow - never heard that one before...
looks like we have different interpretations
good thing we live in a Christian democracy
Christians - like God - believe in free will
Partner with Islam!
December 19, 2007 - 14:34 ET by Roger the ShrubberPartner with Islam!
and here is how you can
December 19, 2007 - 14:40 ET by TruthMongerand here is how you can partner against this so-called "Muslim" crap...along with similar "Christian" crap...
http://progressivemuslims.org/
http://www.interfaithings.org
you can help - or do nothing
I'm TM and i approve this message...
Help? I am supposed to
December 20, 2007 - 11:34 ET by Roger the ShrubberHelp? I am supposed to help?
I am not Muslim. It is up to Muslim to help Muslim, and they obviously aren't. Pathetic.
You make me chuckle.
shrubbster -- sounds
December 19, 2007 - 14:49 ET by Jack Bauershrubbster -- sounds reasonable to me!
If liberals teach us anything, it's that we shouldn't impose our cultural mores on other er.. "cultures."
Islam has a lot to teach us about real feminism... which as we have long suspected means women never leave the kitchen, as they pop out dozens of mini-Muslims until their bodies collapse, just before they are murdered by a close male relative.
Who could object to that! Why do you think American feminists never says a word about it!
political bedfellows unite!
December 19, 2007 - 16:54 ET by TruthMongerthe feminazi's and the Christian fundies are in bed for the first time in history when it comes to sharia law:)
and for a change I just wish the fems would speak up more...
never seen women SO DAMN QUIET BEFORE!!!
SAY SOMETHING ABOUT SHARIA LAW WOULD YA, JOY? WHOOPI? KATIE? NANCY "SCARF ON THE HEAD IN JORDAN" PELOSI...? ANYONE? ANYONE? BUELLER? BUELLER...?
see if we partner with Islam and get them to become REPUBLICANS then these fems will finally start bitching about sharia law...
my plan is BRILLIANT, sharks with frickin lazer beams i tell ya
Disagree??
December 19, 2007 - 14:38 ET by WinghunterIf by "disagreeing" you mean that I'm declaring fire is not cold and ice isn't hot then yes, you could use the word "disagree".
well at least we agree that
December 19, 2007 - 14:43 ET by TruthMongerwell at least we agree that we disagree:)
i will check it off my list then...
here's mine:
blessed are the persecuted, the poor, the sick
for their's is the kingdom of God
i once was lost but now I'm found, blind but now I see
in order to save your life you must lose it, for what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul?
good stuff...
Yeah... that explains the
December 19, 2007 - 11:19 ET by BruzillaYeah... that explains the cross, but explain why the cropping of the picture makes it look like he could be wearing a Catholic Priest collar with a demonic red sweater. That's a sure sign that the devil and Jesus are brothers!
Relgious folks, and those who fear them, just make me laugh.
Brilliant observation on the
December 19, 2007 - 11:35 ET by sockmonkeyBrilliant observation on the strategic "cropping" of the photo! That's my biggest laugh of the day so far----thanks Bruzilla!
Another slick governor from
December 19, 2007 - 11:59 ET by midnight cowboyAnother slick governor from Arkansas. If the Huck wasn't wearing his religion on his sleeve every day in an abvious attempt to dupe the evangelicals, the ad wouldn't have made a ripple. But from the debate, when he tried to upstage Rudy on the bible question, then puts "Christian Leader" prominantly in his ads, and now the floating cross in his Christmas ad, then plays the "what's wrong with mentioning the Christ during Christmas" respone when asked if he's basically using Jesus as a running mate to sway the Christian vote. He's insulting a party that is fed up with double speak, and innuendo. Once you see through the Huck's scheme, it's border line blasphemy.
Huckabee is a leftist, other than social issues....
December 19, 2007 - 12:12 ET by Missouri ConservativeHe knows damn well what they were doing with the cross in that ad. I have no problem with him being a devout Christian, on the contrary, I prefer a candidate with a strong faith. But Huck is blatantly exploiting Christianity and Christmas for political gain. He offers very little substance, except when he attacks President Bush over Iraq, or attacks fiscal conservatives like the Club for Growth.
He is hands down to the left of every Republican running. He is a big government nanny-statist who has no business leading the GOP. I say this as a committed social conservative - but I'm also a fiscal con and a defense con. All three planks of the conservative coalition are of equal importance to me, and Huck fails miserably on two out of three.
"women and minorities hardest hit"
So what?
December 19, 2007 - 12:27 ET by Clear thinkerWhen are people going to start looking at the candidates instead of their religion?
I won't vote for any of the candidates that have RINO in their backbone. It's their record people, not their religion!
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
CT, The national political
December 19, 2007 - 12:38 ET by Chris NormanCT,
The national political conversation just keeps getting more bizarre, huh?
Chris...
December 19, 2007 - 12:51 ET by Clear thinkerIf it wasn't so sad, it would be hands down silly.
It's their record, policies, and leadership abilities, not their religion!
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
The further we wander off on
December 19, 2007 - 13:51 ET by Chris NormanThe further we wander off on these tangents the more difficult it will be ever to get back to what's truly important. I despair.
I thought
December 19, 2007 - 12:30 ET by Mivvisit was a cross, he's a religious figure as well, seemed to me like a no-brainer. I did not notice it was a bookshelf till all of the brouhaha over it. Much ado about nothing...
The MSM must have better discernment than I do.
December 19, 2007 - 13:22 ET by pbthinkerI hadn't seen the video, prior to hearing and reading all the comments so, after watching it, I really had to question most of the comments I'd heard about it.
As someone said, previously, it is obviously a bookshelf so, those people that say everything is reviewed and it was purposely left in there???. Of course it was, you morons, it's a bookshelf.
Finally, if you look at the video, until then end, it appears again and is more obviously a bookshelf. If the purpose was to have this "floating cross" on the screen, they would have cut it before the end.
These people are bonkers, I tell you, bonkers.
Democrats: Specializing in "high tech lynching" since 1987.
The Huckster Caught Again
December 19, 2007 - 13:26 ET by WinghunterWith a record like the Huckster's he could be "attacked" until this same time next year...he is no republican, let alone, a conservative.
AND if this commercial ad is not a play on more religious tugs at voters, where was his commercial last year??
Check this con artist's records. See what the Arkansas republicans and GOP say about what he did there...Know exactly who this clown is!
Huckacide
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NjJiZDBjZWFiNmFmY2M1NDg2ZjM1Y2YwZjdjNzliMDg=
Huckabee Liberal on Immigration
http://www.standardnewswire.com:80/news/742931899.html
The Dark Side of Mike Huckabee
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/11/13/huckabee/index.html
The Holiday Inn Express Candidate ( Ignorant & Dangerous Foreign Policy )
http://article.nationalreview.com:80/?q=ZjM3Zjg5NWYxOGRkNzdmOWY3ZTU4ODQ2OGEyMzRkZmU
Illegals Foes Reject Nod to Huckabee
http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20071213/NATION/112130052/1002
Redefining Conservatism Mike Huckabee is far from being Reagan's heir.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/kstrasselpw/?id=110010958
ARRA Delegate Straw Poll
http://arkansasgopwing.blogspot.com/2007/07/fred-thompson-wins-arkansas-republican.html
I find it interesting and very disturbing
December 19, 2007 - 13:56 ET by exLibthat allot of the comments i've seen have been some very personal attacks against Huckabee.
I mean either you like or don't like his policies, no need to get personal. Isn't that what we constantly say about Liberals is that they take everything personally.
I find it intersting that the people who support Huckabee do so because they find him the "real deal". The most believable, honest and straight-forward/shooter of the bunch.
While on the otherhand, those who don't like him say he's a phony.
Being a Christian has made me a far better judge of character than before I was converted. However, I have been so busy working lately that I have missed all the debates. Hopefully I can find them on Youtube or somewhere over Christmas and evaluate.
I have been a staunch Mitt Romney supporter until recently and only Huckabees popularity have given me pause.
What disturbs me though is that for the last weeks/months those who supported Rudy as the obvious front-runner chastized Evangelicals for "holding-out" and even threatening to vote third-party if someone didn't meet their needs. Now it seems an equal number of Republicans are threatening the same thing if Huckabee wins the nomination.
The result is the same either way, handning the Presidency to the Dems.
I really don't think Evangelicals are gullible, bad judges of character and least of all they are not stupid. In fact, it's the opposite. So I am going to take a good look at Huck.
My support of Romney included what he said on Meet the Press Sunday. Whatever he promises to be as President he will keep those promises as best he can.
Making too much of a bookshelf
December 19, 2007 - 15:39 ET by nkviking75"Back to the TV ad. It strains credulity that the image of the cross would have escaped the notice of the creators of such a professionally-produced commercial. Since the ad was explicitly about Christmas, and Huckabee spoke of the 'birth of Christ,' there'd be nothing unusual about a cross appearing. So why deny it so vehemently?"
If that was the intent, why not go out and buy a cross at a local Christian bookstore and put it on the set? If he's gone so far as to speak about the birth of Christ, and if he wanted to include a cross, why not put an actual cross out in the open?
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
viking
December 19, 2007 - 16:03 ET by RJ"escaped the notice" (your first paragraph) is not the same as deliberately putting a cross in the frame (your second paragraph).
RJ
December 19, 2007 - 16:10 ET by nkviking75The first paragraph, which is a quote, implies that even if the "cross" was not initially intended, the producers had to have seen it and made a conscious decision to use it. Any number of techniques could have been used to obscure the "cross" if the producers had deemed it a problem. And the word "subliminal" has been flying around the MSM a lot in regard to this ad. Most of the critics clearly think this is shameless pandering to Christian conservatives. I'm saying Christian conservatives aren't that dense. We'd have gotten the message in the copy.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
Viking
December 19, 2007 - 16:28 ET by RJ...it still boils down to the fact that the central point of the first paragraph was whether or not the producers had noticed the "cross"....while your defense was that they could have purchased a cross if they wanted one. Different concepts.
Who cares? For cryin out
December 19, 2007 - 16:39 ET by bassndudeWho cares? For cryin out loud! The only ones seem to be put out by it are the ones that think it is shameless pandering. The point being 'why is Huck pandering to the right?" Because he is part of the right! Why shouldent he pander to the right? Who should he pander to? Behar??? Clinton?? Or maybe our resident muslim educated candidate?? Get a grip people!!
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
The reason you should care, bass
December 19, 2007 - 16:43 ET by RJ...is the question of why did Huckabee feel it necessary (or ok) to lie?
Like everything else, I suppose it'll come down to each of us deciding whether or not to believe him.
As for me, I don't.
RJ, I dont vote for the
December 19, 2007 - 16:52 ET by bassndudeRJ, I dont vote for the church. I do not support the Huckerster. He is a fiscial liberal. Taxes are not one of my favorite things, and he likes them. Thats all I need to know about him. I am not a Romey guy either, nor Ronnie boy. Alan Keys is a guy I could get behind, or even Thompson, but as for the rest of em. They are only RINOS, fiscal or social liberals.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
I don't particularly care for the top candidates, either, bass
December 19, 2007 - 16:58 ET by RJBut the SCOTUS and other judicial appointments are too important to just let the Dems have it by default. So (sigh) I'll vote for whoever the Republicans run.
Thompson/Hunter '08! He
December 19, 2007 - 17:03 ET by bigtimerThompson/Hunter '08!
He is going to surprise some people given time...I really believe that.
I know I could be wrong...but we do have a ways to go yet, by the voters...not the msm and their danged various polls everyday.
or how about Hunter S.
December 19, 2007 - 17:14 ET by TruthMongeror how about Hunter S. Thompson (RIP) in 08?
we could get dead Democrats to vote him in...
It'll be Romney/Thompson people
Romney has the most executive/"outsider" experience with the "faith credentials" to boot (man of the people) - is from the North...
Thompson has the strongest congressional/"inside-the-beltway" experience (can shepherd Romney's administration through the shark-infested DC waters) - is from the South...
Thompson lacks executive experience - as does Hillary, Obama - (the dems need to get a clue on this) so Fred shouldn't top the ticket...
A nicely balanced ticket...
Not saying it's the best people...
It's just the most winnable ticket...
And that's the RNC's job - and they make the decision...
Now I'm off to place my vegas bets - need the $$$$...
Totaly agree RJ
December 19, 2007 - 17:04 ET by bassndudeI will support the most conservative candidate in the general election. That will not be a dem. I will not vote for a dem in this election because of the ones running, not because I never have. The dems here in Ok. are alot like the republicans, and Ok has not supported a dem for president sense Kennedy/Johnson.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!