Yeah, it was a yawner. Even so, in its coverage of today's GOP debate the MSM has overlooked one notable nugget: Mike Huckabee's fervent espousal of a radical egalitarianism that, at least in this NewsBuster's view, reflects a fundamental misreading of the Declaration of Independence and a departure from conservative principles.
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MODERATOR CAROLYN WASHBURN: Governor Huckabee, you are distinguishing yourself from other candidates by focusing on faith. You say your faith doesn't just influence you, that it defines you. A person who chooses you for president then would expect that to translate to public policy. So give me two examples you've not previously given, one in health care and one in education, where your faith would define change you want to see in policy.
MIKE HUCKABEE: The two overriding principles are you treat others as you wish to be treated. As it relates in health care that means that we recognize that a person who is sick shouldn't be treated differently because they're in poverty than a person who has extraordinary wealth. That we have some sense of balance in how we approach that. That's the essence of what America is about.
The second basic principle is that in as much as you've done it to the least of these my brethren you've done it onto me. As it relates to both health, education or any policy, What it really means is you go back to what the Founding Fathers said: all of us are created equal, endowed by our creator with those rights: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
WASHBURN: But two specific changes in policy.
HUCKABEE: Well I think I just tried to give them to you. Both in education, that everyone has an opportunity. You give education and health care that you don't have some that are more equal than others.
With great respect to the governor, he seems to be confusing equality of opportunity with equality of result. As a matter of government policy you "give" education and health care so that some are not more equal than others? No matter how hard people work they are not entitled to obtain health care or education better than anyone else?
That is not my understanding of the principles upon which this country was founded. It's unsurprising that the MSM wouldn't focus on Huckabee's statement, since it fundamentally reflects their own redistributionist impulse. But will Republican primary voters take notice?
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.
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Good catch. I've e-mailed
December 12, 2007 - 21:54 ET by SMGalbraithGood catch.
I've e-mailed Neal Boortz, who has expressed favorable views about Huckabee because of the Governor's support for the "fair tax", on these statements. Everything Huckabee said in those two or three paragraphs is completely antithetical to the fundamental views of Bortz re the role of the state in our lives.
Be interesting if I hear back from him.
SMG
Fair?
December 13, 2007 - 06:39 ET by UnsaneThe "fair tax" raises my sales taxes from 8% to 30%. That's hardly "fair".
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Typical, typical...
December 12, 2007 - 21:59 ET by c5thenThis is what happens when the so-called conservatives allow the liberal media to dictate who, what, where and when debates for them and they don't already have a strong foundation in the Constitution and the founding principles that this country was built on.
You called it right that Huckabee is confused about equal opportunity and equal results. But you also missed that the issue is really "health insurance" not health care as Washburn twisted it. Similar to the twisting of ILLEGAL immigration to the false issue of immigration.
Whether or not someone can or chooses to buy insurance for anything is not a Federal or even governmental issue. Since the vast majority of the plans out in the world are HMO type plans, it's really pre-paid healthcare where you have to ask the company's permission to spend the $$ that you've already paid.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
Spend the money that
December 13, 2007 - 10:11 ET by BruzillaSpend the money that "you've" already paid? Are you serious? For most people, the concept of "How dare you tell me how much should be spent on MY health!" only extends to when they are taking money out of the pot. When it comes to putting money into the pot, the same people ask "what's the cheapest plan you've got?"
With an HMO, unless you've been in it for years, you're not asking permission to spend you're money... you're asking permission to spend everyone's money. Everyone would love to put in $100 and get back $1,000 in benefits, but if everyone did that the HMO would go broke and be gone. So the HMO has to step in and set limits. You want a private hospital room? Fine. Pay for it out of your own pocket. You want cosmetic surgery? Fine, pay for it out of your own pocket. You need heart bypass surgery? Fine, use the money that you and I put into the fund.
HMOs aren't perfect, but they're a lot better than having you pay $10,000 in premiums so some guy can join the plan for one week, pay $200 in premiums, get a $200,000 operation that you and I pay for, then quit the plan.
Um --
December 12, 2007 - 22:11 ET by dervish"The second basic principle is that in as much as you've done it to the least of these my brethren you've done it onto me"
Now he's in trouble. When the media find out the source of that quote he'll be accused of instituting the theocracy again. When Christians hear how he's distorted that quote they'll doubt that he was really a minister. What's next -- the Beatitudes hidden in the Bill of Rights?
I realize he was tapdancing with a hostile interrogator, but still.
Is Fox news honest?
December 12, 2007 - 22:19 ET by Clear thinkerConsidering NB is all about media bias, why would they do this...
One of the "independent" focus group (Frank Luntz) members who was interviewed by Fox News was Nathan Burd. If you watched the focus group, you should recognize him when you see this picture of him standing right next to Romney.
http://www.evangelic...
Burd is the founder of a group called 'Americans for Mitt'. Undecided? Yeah, right.
The Focus Group was clearly set up. Is this the fault of Romney, Luntz, or Fox news? This is serious manipulation and it's gonna look real bad for Conservatives and the GOP when this goes National!
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/ Rush then stated that the conse
Hi Ct... I have only been
December 12, 2007 - 22:27 ET by bigtimerHi Ct...
I have only been able to catch a lttle here and a little there since the debate...but whoever the guy in the focus group was that said blah blah blah and the environment was not any conservative.
I liked the middle-aged gal the best with the red hair kind of over weight...what I saw of it anyway...
Plus Luntz has never impressed me in the first place from msnbc days.
Romney is still my second choice as I have always said if Fred doesn't make it...but I think he will..... ; )
Hi bt.....
December 12, 2007 - 22:34 ET by Clear thinkerAs you may have gathered, I'm mad as hell. Luntz's focus group was supposed to be comprised of undecided voters. Either someone lied or someone really screwed up. If this guy snuck under the radar how many others did the same.
I was suspiciuse immediately when the first question to the focus group was "who do you think won the debate" and almost everyone of them said Romney. I'm not the only one that found this odd as most folks think Mitt did just ok. Fred was the clear winner in this one, even a blind man could see that!
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/ Rush then stated that the conse
Ct... I agree with you
December 12, 2007 - 22:36 ET by bigtimerCt...
I agree with you from how I saw it anyway...
We shall win friend.
Shake on it!
bt...
December 12, 2007 - 22:43 ET by Clear thinkerConsider it shook ;-)
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/ Rush then stated that the conse
"As you may have gathered,
December 13, 2007 - 02:05 ET by Keith"As you may have gathered, I'm mad as hell. Luntz's focus group was supposed to be comprised of undecided voters. Either someone lied or someone really screwed up. If this guy snuck under the radar how many others did the same."
Dude are you insane? No wonder the republicans keep bringing knives to a gunfight! Who the heck do you think has the idle time to go to a Republican Debate or Focus Group a YEAR from the election? Uhmmmm Partisans? People with an axe to grind? Nutbags desperate to be heard? The answer is "D" All of the ABOVE. The only thing NOT on that list is a friggin "undecided" voter which is an oxymoron and a LIE in the first place. There ARE no undecided voters, they're just selfish bastards who think the world revolves around them and it tickles their innards to be "courted". But to expect ANYONE at these debates to be "impartial" or worse, "undecided" is, with all due respect, NAIVE.
Keith...go away! Rush
December 13, 2007 - 11:01 ET by Clear thinkerKeith...go away!
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
clear thinker
December 12, 2007 - 23:14 ET by candanceI also thought that focus group was a little bizarre. Every person said the opposite of the person before - almost like each one had their own agenda. I hope Michelle hits 'em just as hard.
Is it just me, or does it feel like after all these debates we're no closer to a consesus or a real definition of our candidate?
cd... I can't wait for
December 12, 2007 - 23:19 ET by bigtimercd...
I can't wait for Michelle and a few others tomorrow with their assessments of all of this.
ROFL already....
candance...
December 12, 2007 - 23:20 ET by Clear thinkerWell, you have to admit that the debates have been stacked against for the most part.
I have been consistent in my support for Fred because he's the one candidate that can define want we want in a Conservative leader. I just hope others see it soon!
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/ Rush then stated that the conse
Good Job
December 13, 2007 - 10:32 ET by River CityI am glad you have evidence that something was up because the group's response just didn't look or feel right. I did not come away from that debate feeling like Romney outperformed the others in a big way. I thought it was a draw except for Fred's zinger.
I have seen on FNC you can go to Luntz's website and register to get selected to be in a focus group. I wonder if any lobbying is done to get in? If there is lobying who does it?
"We are going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton, 6-28-04 San Francisco
This is typical Luntz behavior.
December 13, 2007 - 10:46 ET by sarcasmoI may have linked to this Penn & Teller take on Frank (somewhat raunchy, as usual) 2 months ago. Or it might have been 3... The idea that his paid polls are unbiased is simply laughable.
Here, as I've already said today, is the ONLY unbiased poll you'll see before the primaries, even though the news media generally keeps it quiet due to their bias. It's also known as "the free marketplace," and the Hillary-news it's bringing us is bad.
JMR
Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul. (All purpose anti-slander-link, sadly-needed these days...)
HUCKABEE: Well I think I
December 12, 2007 - 22:35 ET by bigtimerHUCKABEE: Well I think I just tried to give them to you. Both in education, that everyone has an opportunity. You give education and health care that you don't have some that are more equal than others.
When Huckabee said those words the first thing that came to my mind was illegal aliens and the words plus inferences he has made all along this campaign...let alone while he was Gov.
I will never ever vote for the man.
Just remember...
December 14, 2007 - 00:26 ET by BritcomWe Republicans are going to need Democrats and Independants to vote for our candiate in the General Election if we want to defeat Hillary. This is exactly what many of you were telling me a while ago when Rudy was the front runner.
Folks better wake up.
December 12, 2007 - 22:55 ET by ckc1227Folks better wake up. Huckabee is no Conservative. At best, he's a Rino. At the worst....well, you figure it out.
Regarding Huckabee, someone here said....
December 12, 2007 - 23:02 ET by RJHE'S A LIBERAL WHO BELIEVES IN RIGHT TO LIFE.
I don't think a more accurate description of Governor Huckabee can be made.
yeppers
December 12, 2007 - 23:11 ET by candanceHuck is a pro-life Democrat. I called that a few days ago (thanks to some nudging from Jason Lewis) and was lambasted as evil for saying so. The cat is slowly coming out of the bag.
And as a "liberal" who is
December 13, 2007 - 02:13 ET by KeithAnd as a "liberal" who is AGAINST SODOMITE MARRIAGE and AGAINST ABORTION, he's a damn sure better than Guiliani the BABY KILLING SODOMITE LOVER or Mitt Romney the "KILL-A- BABY TODAY BUT NOT TOMORROW, CULT LEADER.
Thank you, Keith
December 13, 2007 - 08:48 ET by RJYour SHOUT OUT endorsement of a liberal Democrat for the Republican nomination is noted.
Thirty five years ago, as I
December 12, 2007 - 23:22 ET by missvotingforreaganThirty five years ago, as I started to vote, my father told me something about voting. He said never vote for someone running for office that is or has been an ordained preacher. I asked why, he said, you cannot trust them. I asked further why can't you trust them. His answer was they will have to at some point compromise their principles.
I often hoped that it would never be the case, especially for president.
miss... Your father
December 12, 2007 - 23:24 ET by bigtimermiss...
Your father was a very wise man indeed.
I pointed this out
December 12, 2007 - 23:30 ET by Lame CherryI pointed all of this out earlier in listening to the first debates which did not have Fred Thompson in them on how Huckabee, Brownback and the Ron Paul of Ron Paul's to the man were espousing garbage which would have gotten cheers from Democrats.
These people were antagonistic to the death penalty, were completely in sympathy with affirmative action positions and were isolationist. None of that is Conservative.
Huckabee is what I term a Cuban Republican, in a socialist like Bush on domestic issues in line with a big brother Bill Buckley telling people how tax money should be spent and now has a bit of Jack Kemp tossed in with his fair tax.
While I agree all healthcare and schooling should be equal, none of it is given. As John Wayne once stated, "I don't give you anything. You work for it and then both of us hold our heads up".
I honestly have had enough of this Bushism Clintonism of spending money or over taxing citizens and running around jumping into wars such as KOSOVO or Somalia.
The only problem I had with Iraq is the shadow globalists built it to a problem when it was a solution in luring terrorists to their deaths. If the liberals had kept their noses out of it, it still could be a great killing ground. Now though as I predicted and was banned from Jihad Watch for stating the facts.........the terrorists are coming back to other nations like Algeria, will attack Europe and move to attacking America again.
Huckabee has no solution for this nor Ron Paul, Rudy or Mitt and it is coming. There is a framework for a Middle East war being fomented to slaughter a great number of angry young Muslim males as their governments can not control them.
This egalitarianism espoused by these different sects of the GOP like all socialism sounds good on paper, but all it does is turn warriors into capons and sets the United States up as a vassal state equal to all the other bunnies in the pen. That in war situations gets you attacked massively and as the world no longer is battleships, but cruise missiles the United States can not endure massive hits in isolation.
All of this give it all away and make all these nations democracy mob rule is as bad as hording it all and leaving dictators build nukes to blow up the US.
Ronald Reagan did best when he picked the best of Bill Buckley, Pat Buchanan and Barry Goldwater and left the big brother, the isolationism cut and run, and the stick your nose in where it doesn't belong business alone.
Most of the GOP contenders do not understand any of this. A rat if you leave him alone is still a rat who will not listen. You either got to kill the rat or leave him alone, but leaving him alone one ends up with a rat destroying all you have.
Maybe Huckabee and company need to watch True Grit and listen to what John Wayne was reciting.
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Cherry...
December 12, 2007 - 23:37 ET by Clear thinkerYou should write for Fred!
;-)
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
Ct... Well
December 12, 2007 - 23:46 ET by bigtimerCt...
Well stated.
LC is unique and I agree with him too.
Was that not the worst
December 13, 2007 - 01:56 ET by Gary P JacksonWas that not the worst debate in all recorded time, or what?
I have my doubts of Huck. Doesn't pass the smell test.
I like Rudy and Mitt. But when the "moderator" asked for a show of hands (like they are in kindergarten!) Thompson went off on her. That was great TV. But did you notice John McCain almost lept in the air getting his hand up? Rudy was just as bad,
Thompson seemed alert, and in the game. Overall though, Mitt was the man. He looks very Presidential. This will be the first time in my life that I don't know who to vote for by now.
Of Course being a Texan, picking George Bush was a no brainer. He had been a fantastic governor. Before that, Renaldus Magnus was also a no brainer!
It's a shame that Guys like Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo are almost ignored, when these two are the real deal. Hunter is a vet, and his kid (who I think is running for Congress) is on his third tour. 2 in Iraq, and now in Afghanistan. If nominated, he would be able to shut down the nimrods who piss and moan about the President's kids not serving. Whoever wins, I hope they are smart enough to use these guys in the cabinet. Hunter would make a great Sec Def. and Tancredo Homeland Security Chief.
Overall, Mitt Romney looked Presidential. The best statement he made was toward the end when he said whoever wins, the rest of us (meaning the other candidates) most support them. That's very Presidental
I agree
December 13, 2007 - 03:07 ET by PopularTechI just laugh when everyone complains about there being no true conservative candidates when both those guys are right in front of everybody.
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Duncan Hunter is the best but stuck in the basement
December 13, 2007 - 05:02 ET by SouthJersey1953I have liked Hunter since the very first debate. Unfortunately, he is stuck in the basement with no (apparent) way to get out. For a time I was for Huck, but his true colors have been showing lately. I liked Fred before he got in, but he showed no emotion so I doubted his chances. Mitt is okay, but I have my questions. I hate to choose "the lessor of the evils" but that is what it seem to be coming to.
Personally, I think the worst choice would be Rudy. Sure he is tough on terror, but it scares me that the MSM likes him so much....
No RINOs in '08
Duncan should run for governor
December 14, 2007 - 00:19 ET by BritcomThen we can elect him president next time. Or he would make a great VP and subequent president. But, unfortunatly a Congressman has never won the presidency. I still like Hunter though, he is the most like Reagan.
GoDuncan
December 14, 2007 - 00:26 ET byGoHunter08
The Reps from CA and CO
December 13, 2007 - 06:45 ET by UnsaneWhat hurts Hunter and Tancredo the most is that they are Reps. No Rep has been elevated from the House to the Presidency since 1880. They'd have slightly better odds as Senators.
That beign said, I'd have no problem at all with seeing either of them getting elevated to Cabinet positions...or, perhaps even selected as VP candidates.
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Please no more Mike Huckabee
December 13, 2007 - 02:52 ET by PopularTechI'll take Religious Moderate/Fiscal Conservative over Religious Fundamentalist/Fiscal Socialist anyday.
Age: 52
Education:
- Ordained to ministry Southern Baptist Convention, 1974
- B.A. Religion, Ouachita Baptist University, 1976
Military Experience:
- None
Political Experience:
- Lt. Governor of Arkansas, 1993-1996
- Governor of Arkansas, 1996-2007
Religion:
- Baptist
Fiscal Record:
Huckabee on Taxes (Video) (1min)
Huckabee's Fiscal Record
Mike Huckabee is a Liberal
Updated Huckabee White Paper
- Immediately upon taking office he signed a sales tax hike in 1996
- He raised taxes on gasoline in 1999
- He supported an internet sales tax in 2001
- He created a $5.25 per day bed-tax on private nursing home patients in 2001
- He publicly opposed the repeal of a sales tax on groceries and medicine in 2002
- He proposed another sales take hike in 2002 to fund education improvements
- He raised taxes on cigarettes in 2003
- He opposed a congressional measure to ban internet taxes in 2003
- He allowed a 17% sales tax increase to become law in 2004
- He increased state spending 65.3% from 1996 to 2004
- The number of state government workers rose 20% during his tenure
- Governor Huckabee refused to pledge not to raise taxes if elected President
Tax Hike Mike
- Overall, Huckabee’s substantial tax hikes far surpassed his modest tax cuts, with the average tax burden increasing by a whopping 47% over his tenure.
Illegal Immigration:
Laura Ingraham: Huckabee Is A "Big Loser" On Immigration (Audio) (5min)
Huckabee Supported Scholarships for Illegal Aliens (Video) (5min)
Huckabee aid plan for illegal aliens draws 'venom, anger'
Huckabee promotes 'open door' policy at LULAC convention
Global Warming:
Huckabee is the only Republican candidate to support: Cap and Trade CO2 Legislation, Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) Regulation and Renewable Energy Standards
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What happened to electing someone who can beat Hillary?
December 14, 2007 - 00:12 ET by BritcomBTW, there is no such thing as a religious moderate. I think you mean a "cultural Christian" as opposed to a "Bible believing Christian".
It's the Caucus, Stupid.
December 13, 2007 - 03:10 ET by TeamcheeserIt feels archaic that despite the advances in technology -- 24 hour news, the Internet, etc. -- we still pick a Presidential candidate based on these primarys and caucuses (cauci?)
All of this time, effort, and money going to please the folks in Iowa seems silly when I'd be willing to bet 99% of the folks watching the debates and coverage and discussing it right here are not in Iowa.
I can see how in the old days news didn't travel at the speed of light so what happened in the first primary mattered as the stage moved to New Hampshire. But nowadays? Nah.
Primaries
December 13, 2007 - 06:50 ET by UnsaneArchaic? Maybe. But I actually would prefer a drawn-out primary season such as the one we had in 1988 (and times before), because that gives Leftists and others plenty of opportunities to shoot themselves in the foot.
The way it is now, the media now has way too much time and opportunity to "bury" what the Left says during primary time.
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Another Comic Relief Skit
December 13, 2007 - 05:11 ET by DevilDog88Once again the (P)rogressive (B)roadcast (S)ociety along with the MSM have made the Republicans look like William Hung on amateur night. Who invited Keyes. With his rants and non-stop preaching on how all the candidates are fake and fradulant you really didnt need to set up any gotcha questions. The planners must have had a good time with this one, "How do we make this debate look fair on our part and comical to the public." Nothing against Keyes but there was a time and place for his rants, and that wasnt it.
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Alan Keyes
December 13, 2007 - 10:33 ET by PopularTechAlan Keyes is another one of those candidates who conservatives agrees with on most of the issues but no one knows about. He should have been in the debates from day one.
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Republican Qualifications
December 13, 2007 - 10:14 ET by PopularTechAlan Keyes
Age: 57
Education:
- B.A. Government, Harvard University, 1972
- Ph.D. Government, Harvard University, 1979
Military Experience:
- None
Political Experience:
- U.S. State Department Foreign Service Officer, 1978
- U.S. State Department Consular Officer, Bombay, India, 1979-80
- U.S. State Department Zimbabwe Desk Officer, 1980-1981
- U.S. State Department Policy Planning Staff Member, 1981-1983
- U.S. Ambassador, U.N. Economic & Social Council, 1983-1985
- U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for International Organization Affairs, 1985-1988
Religion:
- Roman Catholic
Duncan Hunter
Age: 59
Education:
- B.S.L. Western State University, 1968
- J.D. Western State University, 1976
Military Experience:
- U.S. Army, Lieutenent, 1969-1971, Vietnam War
Political Experience:
- U.S. Representative from California, 1981-Present
Religion:
- Baptist
Fred Thompson
Age: 65
Education:
- B.A. Philosophy & Political Science, Memphis State University, 1964
- J.D. Vanderbilt University, 1967
Military Experience:
- None
Political Experience:
- Chief Republican Counsel, U.S. Senate Watergate Committee, 1973-1974
- Special Counsel to Tennessee Governor Lamar Alexander, 1980
- Special Counsel to the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, 1980-1981
- Special Counsel to the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee, 1982
- Appellate Court Nominating Committee Member, TN, 1985-1987
- Assistant U.S. Attorney, Middle Tennessee, 1969-1972
- U.S. Senator from Tennessee, 1994-2003
Religion:
- Church of Christ
John McCain
Age: 71
Education:
- B.S. United States Naval Academy, 1958
Military Experience:
- U.S. Navy Pilot, Captain, 1958-1981, Vietnam War
- POW in Vietnam, 1967-1973
Political Experience:
- U.S. Representative from Arizona, 1983-1987
- U.S. Senator from Arizona, 1986-Present
Religion:
- Episcopalian
Mike Huckabee
Age: 52
Education:
- Ordained to ministry Southern Baptist Convention, 1974
- B.A. Religion, Ouachita Baptist University, 1976
Military Experience:
- None
Political Experience:
- Lt. Governor of Arkansas, 1993-1996
- Governor of Arkansas, 1996-2007
Religion:
- Baptist
Mitt Romney
Age: 60
Education:
- B.A. Brigham Young University, 1971
- J.D. Harvard University, 1975
- M.B.A. Harvard University, 1975
Military Experience:
- None
Political Experience:
- Governor of Massachusetts, 2003-2007
Religion:
- Mormon
Ron Paul
Age: 72
Education:
- B.S. Biology, Gettysburg College, 1957
- M.D. Duke College of Medicine, 1961
Military Experience:
- Air National Guard, 1965-1968
- U.S. Air Force Flight Surgeon, Captain, 1963-1965
Political Experience:
- U.S. Representative from Texas, 1976-1977, 1979-1985, 1997-Present
Religion:
- Protestant
Rudy Giuliani
Age: 63
Education:
- B.A. Political Science, Manhattan College, 1965
- J.D. New York University School of Law, 1968
Military Experience:
- None
Political Experience:
- Associate Attorney General, 1981
- U.S. Attorney, Southern District of New York, 1983
- Mayor of New York City, 1994-2001
Religion:
- Roman Catholic
Tom Tancredo
Age: 61
Education:
- B.A. Political Science, University of Northern Colorado, 1968
Military Experience:
- None
Political Experience:
- Colorado State Representative, 1976-81
- U.S. Department of Education Regional Representative, 1981-1993
- U.S. Representative from Colorado, 1999-Present
Religion:
- Presbyterian
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I was voting for Fred before
December 13, 2007 - 10:20 ET by BruzillaI was voting for Fred before the debate, and I'm voting for Fred after the debate.
During one of the earliest
December 13, 2007 - 12:01 ET by Chris NormanDuring one of the earliest debates, I heard Huckabee talking about how maids and others were struggling during a robust economy - or something to that effect. I thought then that it sounded like something out of the Democrats debate. Does Huckabee suscribe to the "living wage" concept of guaranteeing high wages to low skill level jobs? Is this a conservative talking?
grr Chris
December 13, 2007 - 12:34 ET by candanceI am so sick and tired of these politicians pretending to speak for working class folks when they don't know how the working class feels!
We don't all feel like poor, pitiful, victimized serfs who can't get a leg up. And I tell you one thing, the number one issue really hurting working poor is amnesty for illegals willing to work for five bucks an hour and driving down the wages for the rest of us...but no no no, working poor don't see it that way...yeah right!
Going to college for four years deserves a higher paycheck than being a "maid" as he so quaintly put it. It's stupid to expect people to go to school and work hard and be innovative if their reward is to earn slightly more than a housekeeper. And I can say that because I actually WAS a housekeeper for a long time and not some stuffy politician, and low wage is a real good motivator to go back to school!!
Sorry. Rant is over now. That's just a pet peeve of mine because I get so tired of being told how to think.
Candance, Like you, I never
December 13, 2007 - 12:43 ET by Chris NormanCandance,
Like you, I never expected to support myself and a future family, working in my first job as a soda jerk in an ice cream parlor. I viewed it as a stepping stone, along with school, towards a career. Pandering politicians aren't doing people any favors encouraging them to regard a transitional job as a life supporting career.
How do you get "Egalitarian" out of that?
December 13, 2007 - 23:55 ET by BritcomHuckabee said that when government provides a service each citizen should be treated equally. If you don't like the government provided service, then go and buy your own services from the private sector, but don't create a two tiered government system. If you don't agree, then pray tell what answer is more conservative? And, tell us exactly what your definition of "conservative" is ?
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