Partial Birth Waterboarding

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Liberals wouldn't lift a finger to stop the torturing to death of an unborn child. But put a terrorist [or a baby seal, for that matter] in the block and watch them spring into sensitive-soul mode.

Rosa Brooks epitomizes the mindset in her current LA Times column, "Torture: the new abortion." Her notion is that among Republicans, the new litmus test for presidential candidates is not opposition to abortion but support for U.S. officials who order the "torture of prisoners."

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Brooks finesses the fact that we're not talking about garden-variety "prisoners" here, but a select handful of terrorists.

She points to Rudy Giuliani's popularity as evidence that "the GOP's interest in abortion appears greatly diminished." But Brooks ignores the fact that by far the most important role a president can play on the issue of abortion is the appointment of Supreme Court Justices. Giuliani has made formally explicit his intention to "only nominate judges who respect the U.S. Constitution and do not legislate from the bench. The Mayor, who served in President Ronald Reagan's Justice Department, pledges to use U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts and current Supreme Court Associate Justices Scalia, Thomas, and Alito as model appointments."

Brooks concludes with a prim call for us "to be the nation imagined by the signers of the Declaration of Independence, a nation with 'a decent respect to the opinions of mankind,' committed to a vision of human dignity and unalienable rights, limited government and the rule of law."

But she cites the Declaration only for purposes of opposing torture, blithely ignoring the implications for abortion in that same Declaration's acknowledgement of an unalienable right to life.

Let's review the liberal moral compass:

  • Waterboarding a terrorist: an affront to our fundamental values.
  • Subjecting an unborn child to partial-birth abortion: we celebrate a woman's right to choose!

To put things in perspective, and at the risk of being reductive, let me offer this challenge to Rosa Brooks. I'll call water boarding "torture" if she'll say the same about partial birth abortion.

Note: Patterico poses an interesting question to liberals about waterboarding.

—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.


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"To put things in

"To put things in perspective, and at the risk of being reductive, let
me offer this challenge to Rosa Brooks. I'll call water boarding
"torture" if she'll say the same about partial birth abortion."

The clock is ticking Rosa. I bet hell freezes over before she responds to this challenge.

Tick, tick tick,.....

What did Hillary say about

What did Hillary say about abortion that could be applied to water boarding

 

Legal , Safe , but Rare

End of story, this thing has gotten way more than it's 15 minutes of fame and it has always been about political leverage and never about the practice.

 

 

What did Hillary say about

What did Hillary say about abortion that could be applied to water boarding: "Legal, Safe, but Rare"

Excellent point.

Once again extreme Projection

Once again liberals being masters of projection.

The term, which the MSM has refused to adopt, of "Borking" a Judicial Nominee, comes from a host of LIBERAL LITMUS tests, not Conservative ones.  

It's the liberals that grill every GOP Presidents picks, whether it's Mukasey, Ashcroft, et al.  No matter who, they MUST be Pro-Death, etc... and toe the liberal line.

But of course, being a liberal she must put the shoe on the other foot and accuse the right of doing what she fully supports the left doing.

I wonder if Rosa Brooks

I wonder if Rosa Brooks would allow the death penalty to be administered by the same procedure as partial birth abortion.

Brilliant, Motherbelt!

I wonder if Rosa Brooks would allow the death penalty to be administered by the same procedure as partial birth abortion.

It would be an interesting

It would be an interesting legal challenge to prove that such an abortion is done under the same judgemental guidelines of painless execution they seem to want to put forward as a minimum standard.

Now that you mention it

James Pendergraft of Orlando, Alberto Hodari of Detroit, and George Tiller of Wichita all use  lethal injection on the later fetuses. 

It's far, far too cruel to do to the likes of a terrorist, mass murderer, or spree killer. But a baby? The baby gets no trial, no jury, no judge, no appeal, no stay of execution. The existence on earth of just one person who wants it to die (and that doesn't even have to be the mother of the baby in question - http://realchoice.0catch.com/library/deaths/bl05cgilbert.htm) is enough for that baby's death to be the epitomy of all that is good and just and right in the world.

Abortion: The new sacrament

They know well that one doesn't just vote for an individual but also a party platform.  It's not that social conservatives are overly enamored with Giuliani, but they think he may have the best chance of beating Hill-Bill Vol.2, which would be disasterous.  It the tables were turned, and the front-running, electable Democrat candidate were pro-life (God forbid, but he does pledge, out of principle, to appoint judges who "uphold court precedents"), versus say, Jeb Bush (also pro-life... and Republican), they too would still endorse the Democrat candidate.

I agree, lotr. I think a

I agree, lotr. I think a lot of people realize that a President, even if he is pro-life, can't outlaw abortion by executive order. And even if he appoints judges that might overturn Roe v Wade, that would take years, and still wouldn't outlaw abortion. It would simply bounce the decision on that back to individual states.

Yep

Overturning Roe v. Wade would only bring the issue back to the public arena (where it belongs) and allow state lawmakers to legislate according to the will of their constituents.  It would not spell Doom, even for those who want abortions "safe, legal and rare."

I was just waterboarded myself...

So I'm in the Hospital with some GI problems, I'm dressed in a hospital gown.......a dress that makes me look like an Iraqui Terroriest...they bring in a Gallon of water, mix in some stuff, and tell me to drink this WHOLE Gallon of water, 8 Oz's at a time, every 10 minutes until it's all gone......!!

Does Waterboarding give you the "runs" ?    I'm tellin you I was being tortured by a Hospital worse than any Terrorist was ever treated......You can get waterboarded by the Medical System fer sure, and I survived....but no one wanted to get near enough to me afterwards to ask Questions........

Conclusion:  Torture is Relative....One man's water Torture is another mans Colonostophy....they should give each Terror Gitmo guy a thourough Medical exam using established and widely accepted medical procedures like what I went thru......Now that's Torture   

What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ?   David Foote  GoE

ROFL, Jay Tee, that is so

ROFL, Jay Tee, that is so funny! Because I have been there, done that. And the first thing they ask you at the test site is "did you drink it all?" I had to confess, the very last 2 swallows went down and came right back up....but they were merciful and said it was enough....LOL... I'm glad the old colonoscopy only comes around every 5 years!

Mamacita....It WAS Torture...

 I'm tellin you I wouldn't wish waterboarding on anyone.....but you CAN survive intact..and my congress man was no where to be found...he was busy helping Gito residents and I needed him in the worst way.

As I was read the directions from the Head Torture nurse, she told me we would be getting "Results" in about an Hour.......pretty good system for Torture, results in an Hour...

Then, halfway thru the "procedure" I realized...They didn't tell me When the results would STOP ?.....but it was too late, I was H Two Oh intoxicated by then, I had reached the point of no return.....

What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ?   David Foote  GoE

You get by every 5 years? I

You get by every 5 years? I have to go every 3 because they found pollops the last time. Talk about torture. I have had my left lung collapse twice since January. They put a tube in where there is no God made hole. If the doctor had asked I would have given him every account number I had to stop. Chest tubes would be a good type of interogation. It is a medical procedure.

 

 Southern by birth, Tarheel by the grace of God!

ricklail....it's a legal workaround for Torture !!

After having your issue, a Tube insert, down lower than yours.....for 7 days.....They had to remove said drainage Tube.....

When they they removed the Tube...IT WAS TORTURE !!    

The Medical books are full of "procedures" that could make anyone Talk......legally be tortured...for your own health.

Call DC, we have a Legal solution to Waterboarding....

What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ?   David Foote  GoE

An old question...

This may indeed be an old, tired question, but it is one I have never heard ONE candidate, politician, pundit, and/or lib answer:

"If the life of your ____________ (mother, dad, daughter, son, etc.) were on the line, and this scowling, cursing terrorist sitting there, handcuffed to his chair could possibly save them...would you advocate waterboarding, for instance, if that would elicit the information to save your ____________'s life?"

Has anybody out there heard anybody answer this?

That happened to Michael

That happened to Michael Dukakis...they asked him a hypothetical about the death penalty and his wife or daughter being raped and killed. He fudged on it and his candicacy crashed and burned.

I, frankly, would love to see them all asked that question. And be required to answer "yes" or "no." That's all. So that HRC couldn't give us a dissertation on the whole reason we're having this discussion is because of the failed policies of George Bush.....

Dukakis

motherbelt,

I forgot about Michael Dukakis being asked that death penalty question...a seemingly harmless hypothetical inquiry.

One question I would like to see asked Hitlery would be the same one asked Ted Capt. Oldsmobile Kennedy in 1980, "Why do you want to be President?"

This question tripped up Teddy, and I would love to see what PIAPS would answer.

Remember Usenet?

Back in the ancient days of newsgroups, I asked one Clinton supporter what he would do if he caught Bill Clinton breaking into his home, then raping his younger sister.

He didn't answer the question.

"If the life of your

"If the life of your ____________ (mother, dad, daughter, son, etc.)
were on the line, and this scowling, cursing terrorist sitting there,
handcuffed to his chair could possibly save them...would you advocate
waterboarding, for instance, if that would elicit the information to
save your ____________'s life?"


Has anybody out there heard anybody answer this?"

I heard Lise Wiehl answer it on the Radio Factor just this week, but I don't remember what her answer was exactly. Bottom line though, she was against it because she believes it doesn't work. Her reason for believing this is, since we have only used it 3 times since 2003, it is obvious that it doesn't work. If it worked, we would have used it more.

Naturally, it never occured to her that maybe it was only used 3 times because everyone else cracked before it got to that point, or that maybe we reserve the harshest treatment for those likely to have the most important information.

Frankly, anyone who is willing to sacrifice thousands(or 1 for that matter) of American lives for the sake of world opinion is not qualified to be commander-in-chief, period. I don't care if you're a republican or a democrat.

Good point!

Especially since, "What if your mother/daughter/sister/was raped?" is considered the zinger that closes all discussion of abortion. If your mom, daughter, or sister supports waterboarding, then that makes it okay. Trust women!

It's too bad that mental gymnastics is not an Olympic sport.

If it were, Rosa Brooks would be a gold medalist. Several times over.

Apples and Oranges

This is the same dumb liberal argument that claims that being "pro-life" and pro capital punishment is inconsistent, or that being against affimative action is equal to racism.

The question I have is are these people stupid, or are they deliberately trying to deceive?

If the LA Times ever wonders why..

If the LA Times ever wonders why I ignore their calls on the caller ID or delete their emails unopened, this would be a good example.

LA Times-The New Torture

MOD: "LA Times-The New

MOD: "LA Times-The New Torture"

LOL!!

 Real torture is looking

 Real torture is looking at photographs of  androgynous, bourgeois , elite, women journalists.

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

In the spirit of the

In the spirit of the Democrat party's silly logic i propose an abortion tax to pay for childrens health care

Interesting twist

Very clever idea. After all, it is a profit-making business. Tax big business! 

ConservativeBelle

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