A billionaire and a receptionist walk into an IRS bar. They each order a beer. The IRS bartender charges the receptionist $2.50 and the billionaire $2,260. Who got undercharged? If you're Warren Buffett or Tom Brokaw, the answer is . . . the billionaire.
As NB Editor Brent Baker has noted, the NBC Nightly News "decided Monday night to base a story on a four-year-old contention by a professor that the middle class is worse off now than in the 1970s, followed by a piece promoting Warren Buffett's claim the rich don't pay enough in taxes."
NBC was back at it again this morning, with a "Today" segment featuring Brokaw's interview with Buffett and his gripe that the rich are undertaxed. Brokaw seconded Buffett's notion, introducing the segment this way:
When you're the world's third-richest man, you can break some rules. Warren Buffett, the "Oracle of Omaha," is going after a fundamental injustice he says touches all Americans [cut to clip of Buffett]: the taxation system has tilted toward the rich and away from the middle class in the last 10 years. It's dramatic and I don't think it's appreciated."
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Let's deconstruct Brokaw's statement. Brokaw wasn't quoting Buffett in describing allegedly too-low taxes on the rich as a "fundamental injustice." Those were Brokaw's own words, his personal characterization of the situation.
In the course of the interview, Buffett mentioned that his effective tax rate last year was 17.7%, whereas an informal survey he conducted of his office workers showed they paid an average of 32.9%. Brokaw was seen [screencap] in Buffett's office , telling [taunting?] the receptionist: "You know, at the end of this year, you're going to pay a higher tax rate -- percentage of your income -- than this guy [pointing to Buffett]."
Of course Brokaw focused only on the rate the various people paid, rather than amount they actually paid in taxes. I poked around and found this site, which indicates that Buffett's 17.7% was paid on income of $46 million. That would mean that Buffett paid $8,142,000 in taxes.
The site states that the receptionist paid 30%. Her income wasn't given, but let's estimate her earnings at $30,000. That would mean that she paid $9,000 in taxes, equal to 1/904th of what Buffett coughed up. That's in line with the indication from NewsBuster Tom Blumer that in a recent year, the wealthiest 1% paid 35% of all federal taxes.
Note also that, Buffett's tax break, as indicated in the segment, stems largely from the fact that much of his income comes from capital gains, which are taxed at a lower rate. Does Brokaw want to increase capital gains to 30% or more? What would be the impact on the U.S. economy? How many of those receptionist jobs would disappear?
Another fact that was glossed over: the calculation was made on the combined payments of both federal income taxes and "payroll taxes," which includes Social Security. The maximum taxable income for Social Security is $97,500. Some liberals, such as those at the Economic Policy Institute [see proposal #4], have proposed eliminating the cap. That would mean that all of Buffett's $46 million would be taxable. He wouldn't of course receive any more in benefits as a result. This would transform Social Security into a welfare program. Is that what Brokaw backs?
When it comes to fixing this "fundamental injustice," Brokaw isn't just a reporter. He's an avid volunteer in Buffett's Progressive Army.
Update | 10-31: Reader ECS passes along this article, containing an analysis casting into doubt the claim that the receptionist is paying 30% of her salary in taxes.
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.




















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Taxes
October 30, 2007 - 09:12 ET by iveseenitallI guess we have no choice but to RAISE YOUR TAXES. After all, you're rich, aren't you? No? Charlie R., Tom, Ted, Warren, Brian, Hillary et.al. beg to differ. They're breaking out the masks and guns as we speak.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
The Liberal Tax Lie
October 30, 2007 - 09:20 ET by mattmThey say the "Rich" don't pay enough in taxes. What's "enough"?
The top 5% of wage earners, who make about $300,000/year, pay about 1/3 of all income taxes.
The bottom 1/3 of wage earners pay $0 or even get a refund (earned income tax credit). My "tax the rich" state gives out about $20 million a year in "tax refunds" to people who pay zero.
The system is "progressive" enough...
But the truth is, the Lib's entire "tax the rich" mantra is a LIE. They don't really care about this. They know damned well who the payers and who the freeloaders are in this society; they're simply engaged in class-envy propaganda for the Left.
The first GOP candidate to effective call them on this and nuke their lame argument will get my vote.
Choose, but choose wisely
October 30, 2007 - 09:22 ET by accidentwaitingtohappenIf the failure of socialism proved one thing it was this:
You could have wealth in your society or you could have taxes, you cannot have both.
In the course of the
October 30, 2007 - 09:41 ET by MidAmericaIn the course of the interview, Buffett mentioned that his effective tax rate last year was 17.7%, whereas an informal survey he conducted of his office workers showed they paid an average of 32.9%.
Forgotten in this issue of tax and after tax income is the fact that rich people have business expenses to cover before they have spendable income. If Mr. Buffet subtracted his cost of doing business (i.e. his secretaries, offices, etc.) along with his taxes I bet the disparity between his real income and his secretaries income would be in closer proportion.
So NBC, uses a "Reporter
October 30, 2007 - 09:42 ET by Chris NormanSo NBC, uses a "Reporter Emeritus" to advocate for government policies? Do they think using Brokaw somehow makes it okay, because he's an "elder? No matter what the facts are in what he's advocating, no reporter should be advocating...
The real elephant in the room...
October 30, 2007 - 09:50 ET by c5thenWith all the special deductions and rates for particular behaviors that are in the tax code, the "rich" are more likely to hire someone to give them tax advice or to manage their finances so as to pay the least amount of taxes possible. The rest of the earners in the country can't afford that so they get screwed.
The tax systen in this country is in direct violation of the 14th amandment (equal protection) because it fundementaly treats people differently based on their income. One of the easiest and best ways to fix the system is to trash the current IRS code and institute a flat tax. Everyone would pay the same percentage of their income so no one is treated any differently. Another fix that meets the 14th amendment test is the elimination of the income tax and instead a national sales tax in it's place.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Fred08.com
This is an interesting
October 30, 2007 - 11:29 ET by mbs6This is an interesting point. Fact is that the complexity of the system means the less intelligent and uneducated are at a disadvantage. I'm an engineering graduate and work in the payroll tax sector and even I can hardly fill out a 1040 and all the schedules that go with it.
Was not there a callenge?
October 30, 2007 - 09:53 ET by Evil CapitalistThere was one thing that Buffett refused to answer... he was asked pretty directly if -he- wanted to pay more taxes.
Also, if I recall correctly did not he say he would donate a million to a charity of one's choice if one's secretary pays lower tax rate than whoever challenges him?
I bet among all the newsbusters readers and those that we know we can find a few thousand people whose secretaries pay less in percentage? That would only cost a few billion to Mr Buffett and MRC can have a few million more :)
In the United States, the
October 30, 2007 - 09:58 ET by jdhawkIn the United States, the Treasury Department reported based on IRS data the share of all federal taxes paid by taxpayers of various income levels. The data shows the progressive structure of the U.S. federal tax system that reduces the tax incidence of people with smaller incomes.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_States
Brokaw is a liar. The above is the truth. When is it going to be reported?
Buffet
October 30, 2007 - 11:46 ET by mbs6For quite some time now Buffet has been a member of what I call the "Eccentric Billionares Club". I think when you have literally billions to your name it is easy to get a warped view of reality. It's easy for someone worth billions to tell the rest of us we need to pay more taxes. I think Buffet is flat-out wrong in his assertions that the poor suffer a higher tax burden and it comes from him being distanced from the tax details of his own income/wealth. The capitalist system made him and now he bites the hand that feeds him.
Buffet is more than welcome
October 30, 2007 - 19:45 ET by GregEBuffet is more than welcome to cut a check to the federal government to make up the difference in what he pays in taxes, and what he feels the rich should pay in taxes.
The question is, has he cut that check?
A liberal and I got into this discussion at work. His answer to this question on why Buffet, wanting higher taxes, doesn't voluntarily send more in was "he knows it's the right thing, but he also has common sense enough to know that just his doing it won't make a difference."
Yea good excuse. Maybe that's Al Gore's excuse for not doing anything like he preaches about global warming either.
Experiment
October 30, 2007 - 10:09 ET by KC MulvilleIf there's an inequity, how do we resolve the problem? But wait, see what this question assumes. It assumes that inequity is a problem. Brokaw's question to the receptionist implies that she should see an inequity in rate as a problem.
If you see taxes merely as a moral responsibility, then an inequity in rate might be wrong. But taxes are fundamentally a finance system; they're a strategic method of paying for government services. The strategy of our finance system depends on the idea that investment creates new businesses and a broader tax base, which lessens the burden on everyone. We lower taxes to stimulate investment. Obviously, the wealthy are more likely to invest, so the strategy favors lower tax rates on them than the middle class. The strategy does indeed favor the wealthy, but the payoff is that the middle class winds up paying less than they would have.
That doesn't excuse Brokaw, however. I doubt Brokaw is making that point, because if he did, he wouldn't have asked that question of the receptionist. That just appeals to the class-envy of the receptionist. Brokaw simply reflects the liberal dogma that any inequity is immoral, even if the lower classes do better by it.
" . . . so the strategy
October 30, 2007 - 11:21 ET by jdhawk" . . . so the strategy favors lower tax rates on them than the middle class."
Huh? Please reread my post.
High income earners pay overwhelmingly the most taxes and have the greatest tax burden. The facts just don't lie.
In addition, the sad truth is that while we think that we turned the corner on give away programs with the "reform" of the welfare system in '94, we just transferred the give-aways to the Earned Income Tax Credit. This causes millions to pay absolutely no taxes and then, get cash back!!! And, when I say NO taxes, I mean NO taxes. They are even "reimbursed" for Social Security and Medicare taxes.
To be clear ...
October 30, 2007 - 12:17 ET by KC Mulville"Huh? Please reread my post." My response had nothing to do with yours, and isn't in conflict. Notice the difference between "rate" and "percentage." The rate applies to individuals, which is what I was addressing. The percentage applies to the wealthy as a group, which is what you were addressing. The wealthy have a lower tax rate (individually), but since they have such a higher income, the rate still means they bear a greater share of the tax burden.
When Brokaw talks about the disparity, he's talking about the rate. All of the posts about the burden may be correct, but that's not what Brokaw was addressing.
So tell me. Why is it I
October 30, 2007 - 10:37 ET by misterbee241So tell me. Why is it I never see any of these whiners like Buffett, Bill and Hillary Clinton who claim they dont pay enough taxes slide a few extra mil in the IRS's collection plate?
Yes
October 30, 2007 - 11:48 ET by mbs6Yes, yes! Why is it that liberals always have to fix the world with someone else's money?
Dialogue between a liberal and a normal person:
Liberal: I have a great idea. And you're going to pay for it.
Normal Person: I don't think it's a great idea.
Liberal: Well, it is a great idea, and you're going to pay for it.
Normal Person: If you think it's such a great idea, why don't you (and a bunch of people who agree with you) pay for it?
Liberal (with puzzled look on face): That does not compute.
Hey Tom?!?
October 30, 2007 - 12:14 ET by Wildcatter1980If you think you are not being taxed enough, how many of your pay checks do you just sign over to your federal, state and/or local governments? What's that?
I thought so!
Since we know you don't sign over your paychecks, may I suggest that you instead moderate to coin a phrase a "fair and balanced" discussion on various tax alternatives that will focus on devising a tax system that will be efficient, fair to the vast majority of people AND enable the economy to grow at a healthy rate so that we can provide freedom and independence for everyone rather than having groups of people alway dependent on the government for entitlements.
Just my $0.02
Did Brokaw mention at any
October 30, 2007 - 12:31 ET by nythatesusaDid Brokaw mention at any point that Buffett is a well known supporter of the Democratic Party? Is support for higher taxes considered "break[ing] some rules" by this organization?
Buffett feels that it is the obligation of certain "qualified" members of society to plan the lives of their less "gifted" fellow citizens. There are plenty of rich people who feel this way.
Buffett and his business associate Charles Munger have also long been supporters of population control(i.e. abortion), including helping to fund clinical trials for RU-486. He is making sure society does not have to deal with "inconvenient", unplanned children.
This is Brokaw spoon-feeding the plebs information that leads only to Progressive conclusions. Also, if Buffett is so worried about the financial plight of his secretary, what is stopping him from throwing some extra dough her way?
Correct me if I am wrong
October 30, 2007 - 13:20 ET by voodoodaddybut does it say anywhere in the tax code that you only have to pay what they say is due. If you feel the rate is too low then can't you just send in more? I suggest to Mr. Brokaw and his ilk that if they feel they are not paying enough in taxes then to please feel free and adjust your own tax rate and pay more. Seems pretty dang simple and fair to me. My taxes do not go up and you get to FEEL good.
If Buffett's so worried
October 30, 2007 - 15:37 ET by Col SmokeIf Buffett's so worried about the "inequality" of it all, why does he adjust his taxable income? There's nothing preventing him from paying the full 35% on his 46MM. Screw this rich socialist - he proves the point that the leftwing is the refuge for the very poor and the very rich.
BTW, a single taxapayer (secretary perhaps ?) making 30K per year pays under 14% in FIT.
Nationalize Berkshire Hathaway
October 31, 2007 - 05:19 ET by UnsaneThe top 60% of wage/salary earners pay 99.94% of the taxes.
Yet, somehow, to Warren Buffett, we need to screw the rich more.
(Maybe we can just nationalize Berkshire Hathaway instead!)
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Buffet's Percentages Are Wrong
October 31, 2007 - 06:28 ET by ecscottI simply do not believe Warren Buffet's claims about the tax rate of his office workers. Some of his workers might be categorized as being in the 28% (or more) tax bracket, but their effective (or even marginal) tax rate should typically be half that rate. There are online calculators for determining what your marginal tax rate will be depending on your income. If his receptionist is truly paying 30%, then she is making around $200,000 per year. Why so much?
A much better response (than mine) to this claim can be found at: http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=2813
The problem is...
October 31, 2007 - 11:21 ET by nathaniaThe problem is that when liberals bring up the gap in tax rates, conservatives respond with the percentage of overall taxes and who pays them. We conservatives must respond to apples with apples and we haven't been.
As for the secretary, is it possible she's including her state taxes in with the total rate?
And if Warren Buffett is this concerned, why doesn't he just pay his secretary more?
Or create more jobs?
Jobs are always better than government handouts.
nathan, we had a lib poster here the other day who did just that
October 31, 2007 - 11:29 ET by RJAfter ranting for an entire thread about how he was paying a higer percentage than the "wealthy", it turned out he was including ALL of his taxes, (fed-state-fica) and comparing them to only the Federal taxes of the "wealthy."
Haven't seen him since.....