For a moment, let's put aside minor matters like Iraq, Iran and $1 trillion Dem tax proposals and focus on something important . . .
Appearing on today's "Morning Joe," CNBC's John Harwood made a strong defense of Rudy Giuliani's announcement that the avid Yankee fan is rooting for the Red Sox in the World Series. And by the end, he even got University of Alabama alum Joe Scarborough to admit that under certain circumstances he would root for Auburn -- the Tide's arch in-state rival. Then again, Harwood failed to persuade at least one Bronx native . . .
The issue arose in the context of Hillary's campaigning.
JOHN HARWOOD: You notice she got in a little dig about Giuliani and the whole Red Sox thing.JOE SCARBOROUGH: Yeah, I like that. Tell our viewers about that.
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HARWOOD: Well, Giuliani the other day said he was rooting for the Red Sox. and people thought it was a flip-flop because he's a famous Yankee fan, who was citing the Hillary Clinton episode where Hillary Clinton used to say that she was a Cubs fan and also a Yankees fan [before she ever moved to New York]. I've got to say that I've been with Giuliani in New Hampshire when he was needling Red Sox fans for the Yankees while the pennant race was going on. So I don't think this is as much of a flip-flop. He says he's an American League guy. Do you think that's a reasonable argument?
SCARBOROUGH: I actually do. A lot of my friends growing up would always cheer for the AFC [was Joe mixing baseball and football?] Now Willie you're shaking your head because you just simply don't root for the Red Sox.
WILLIE GEIST: There's an exception to that rule: Red Sox/Yankees. You wouldn't root for Auburn if they were playing somebody.
SCARBOROUGH: No, I definitely would not.
GEIST: See?
Mika, relegated to the sidelines by all this sports talk, chimed in with a judicious "hmm."
That's when Harwood made his best argument.
HARWOOD: You would not root for the SEC team in the national championship game if it's not Florida?SCARBOROUGH: OK, that is a good point. Especially if they were playing somebody in the Big Ten. Actually, you know, if it were, if Auburn was playing Ohio State, I would be wearing my War Eagle [Auburn] blue and orange. No doubt about it.
Harwood made his case impressively, and did wangle that admission from Joe. But I'm going with Willie on this one. Speaking as someone born in the Bronx and raised till age seven just off the Grand Concourse so close to Yankee Stadium we literally could hear the cheering, and despite generally being an American League fan, there is no way -- no way! -- that I would root for the Red Sox in the World Series. Roll Rockies.
Update | 10-26 5:25 PM: Hillary tried to exploit Rudy's Red Sox rooting with this line at her birthday fundraiser yesterday:
I have been a fan, and I remain a fan of the New York Yankees — no changes, no looking to curry favor with anyone else.
On this afternoon's "Hardball," Chris Matthews described Hillary as a "phony" over the issue. For that matter, NB readers might recall that I'm not a huge David Shuster fan. But in his "Hardball" set-up report, Shuster pointed out that before she ran for the senate, Hillary was a Cubs fan, and even flashed a photo of Clinton in a Cubs hat.
And speaking of Hillary-The-Big-Yankee-Fan, I would venture that -- unless she's been prepped by a cagey advisor -- Hillary couldn't name four current members of the Bronx Bombers.
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.
















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HILLARY -- Yankees Fan?
October 26, 2007 - 07:46 ET by Tim GrahamThis is the lady who just told Tim Russert in a nationally televised debate that if the Cubs and the Yankees were in the World Series, she'd root for both teams. And she gets to play the Superior Fan?
Rudy
October 26, 2007 - 07:49 ET by DontabAs a diehard Yankee fan I would never root for the red sox(boston sucks), so Rudy stop acting like hillary. Your a man of principal, stop pandering.
Mature Yankees Fan?
October 26, 2007 - 09:28 ET by NoMoreClintons"(boston sucks), so Rudy stop acting like hillary."
Dontab, stop acting like a juvenile. If Boston sucks, where does that leave your Yankees?
So and So team sucks... please
October 26, 2007 - 12:57 ET by Six String SpiffI am not a huge sports fan, but I have NEVER understood the juvenile behavior of saying another team that has made it to the play-offs 'sucks'. Doesn't that sound just a tad...stupid?
"I don't give DAMN what you think you're entitled too."
A fine point, but
October 26, 2007 - 09:46 ET by mattmWho I root for depends upon the opponent - unless one of the teams is my hometown club. If the Braves were playing, I'd be for the Sox. But I'm for the Rockies in this one.
In this Prez race...it's obvious that Rudy is not the conservative ideologue we'd like him to be, but, assuming Hitlery is the opponent, I think we need to consider a candidate's ability to win elections as just as important a factor as how they stand on this or that issue. I think Rudy is the only one who could beat Hillary, although I could be way wrong.
Of course, I'd rather have a true conservative...
It's True
October 26, 2007 - 11:05 ET by NoMoreClintons"I think Rudy is the only one who could beat Hillary"
I think that's becoming more obvious as time goes on. And that is Job 1.
There are two ways baseball
October 26, 2007 - 09:55 ET by Hero SquadThere are two ways baseball fans can go... they either support their team and hate anyone who rivals them, or they support their team but once they are out of it, they support the league.
Giuliani apparently falls in the latter category (unless it's the Mets). It is an odd thing for a Yankees fan to do, admittedly. But I think the theory is that you can pound your chest and say yeah, my league is the best and my team would've smoke y'all in the World Series had we made it.
It's one reason why I'm supporting the Rockies, despite being a fan of the Phillies who were knocked off by the Rockies. Hey, if they happen to win, at least I can now say that my team lost to the World Champions in the playoffs, so you can make a case that your team might be the second best in baseball.
That being said, Giuliani probably lost a few votes from diehard Yankees fans simply because of this silly little issue, probably because they don't have much of an opinion one way or the other about the important issues of the day. Remember, after all, they are Yankees fans :-o
Still, this won't have any significant impact, methinks.
**My Daughter at the WWII Memorial
Hannah's Tour
October 26, 2007 - 11:16 ET by NoMoreClintonsThanks for the tour of the WWII Memorial, Hannah. What a sweet little girl.
There are two ways baseball
October 26, 2007 - 14:15 ET by dvdaughtryThere are two ways baseball fans can go... they either support their team and hate anyone who rivals them, or they support their team but once they are out of it, they support the league.
I agree with that, except for BOS and NYY. I think I have heard every BOS fan tell me they would rather see the Yankees lose, than the Redsox win.
Being married into an Auburn family, I can say that if it were Alabama in a big game, AU can root for them. Regular season, though, the rest of the SEC gets the nod.
Well, for once, the rich white man is in control. --Montgomery Burns
It's a calculating move by
October 26, 2007 - 14:25 ET by balboaIt's a calculating move by Rudy to appeal to more people, that's all. It's politics.
Let the record show that Bal
October 26, 2007 - 14:30 ET by dvdaughtryLet the record show that Bal has, yet again, provided a marvelous revelation!
(problem is its like mixing oil and water)
Well, for once, the rich white man is in control. --Montgomery Burns
(sigh)
October 26, 2007 - 14:44 ET by balboa(sigh)
Cubs & Cardinals Fans
October 26, 2007 - 16:00 ET by BW222Cubs and Cardinals fans don't like one another any more than Yankees and Red Sox fans. I always root against the Cardinals and I am sure thrie fans feel the same way.
BW222
Red Sox!
October 26, 2007 - 10:18 ET by Bess2728As a die hard Red Sox fan here, I would never, ever cheer on the Yankees. Never. Ever.
We don't need Rudy's support.
As a Jayhawk fan
October 26, 2007 - 07:51 ET by taterOur big rivals is the Mizzou Tigers. Nothing makes me more happy than to see my alma mater win or Mizzou lose. If the Tigers played in the championship, you bet I'd root for the other team to beat them...preferably like a 55-0 score. There's no flip flop in me.
If you are basing your
October 26, 2007 - 08:06 ET by Roger the ShrubberIf you are basing your presidential vote upon what baseball team each candidate cheers for, then you have serious mental issues.
Unless that candidate is a Browns fan, of course...
Maybe we should just
October 26, 2007 - 09:59 ET by Hero Squad^ lol!
Maybe we should just ask everybody's team preferences at the next debate and then call for the election.
Questioner: Mr. Kucenich, what's your favorite football team?
Kucenich: "Do you mean the American version or European futbol?
Questioner: "Thank you. Actually, that's all I needed to know."
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haha Actually, I think
October 26, 2007 - 10:10 ET by Roger the Shrubberhaha
Actually, I think Kucinich would be a fan of non-contact sports where everybody gets a ribbon and there are no winners of losers...
Cup-stacking, perhaps?
Liberal Nanny-ism
October 26, 2007 - 11:23 ET by NoMoreClintons"Actually, I think Kucinich would be a fan of non-contact sports where everybody gets a ribbon and there are no winners of losers..."
I served on a school board for several years with some people who had the same exact opinion. Of course, they were all flaming liberals. It's the Nanny State mindset.
First time I could listen
October 26, 2007 - 10:18 ET by bigtimerFirst time I could listen to Harwood without getting angry...he ought to stick to this kind of thing....
Hillary criticizing Rudy is comical....most people can see right through her, but her answer during the debate with Russert as the moderator says it all about her so-called convictions about anything that she wants people to see on the outside of her persona...anyone with a brain knows what she really wants for this country on the inside...her attempting to straddle both sides of issues will end up biting her in the end.
Keep on truckin' Rockies, the Sox are coming to your territory tonight...or is that tomorrow?
Win one for the other side of town....hehehee
He should know better than
October 26, 2007 - 11:53 ET byHe should know better than to rile up Yankee fans. You can't be all things to all people. This just shows us how willing Rudy is to tell anybody anything to win them over and his buddy Bernard Kerik fighting off federal charges won't make things any easier for him.
Who run Bartertown?
October 26, 2007 - 12:35 ET by Roger the ShrubberWho run Bartertown?
Yeah...okay... Put down
October 26, 2007 - 12:57 ET byYeah...okay...
Put down the remote. Go outside and take a deep breath of fresh air.
Master Blaster
October 26, 2007 - 14:19 ET by Airforce_5_OMASTER BLASTER RUN BARTER TOWN!!!!
ROTFLMAO
Roger you are the best.
The only thing you should feel when shooting insurgents is the rifle recoil.
LOL!
October 26, 2007 - 14:27 ET by RJHahahaha!
Mad Libs
October 26, 2007 - 13:59 ET by fitzfongShe should know better than to rile up Cub fans. You can't be all things to all people. This just shows us how willing Hillary is to tell anybody anything to win them over and her buddy Norman Hsu fighting off federal charges won't make things any easier for her.
You can tell how tortured and weak a lib argument is when you can simply replace a couple of nouns and pronouns and make the statement true. Better luck next time, bluster.
I was at opening day at
October 26, 2007 - 14:22 ET by dvdaughtryI was at opening day at Wrigley some time during the 90's and Hillary was there to throw out the first pitch.
You have never heard the Chicago Cub Loyal boo like that in all of your days. It was hysterical.
Well, for once, the rich white man is in control. --Montgomery Burns
First of all, you've just
October 26, 2007 - 14:49 ET byFirst of all, you've just showed your baseball ignorance and further Hillary was not a business partner of Hsu. Judy was Kerik's business partner as much as you would like to ignore that fact.
Bluster, you're the real
October 26, 2007 - 15:40 ET by fitzfongBluster, you're the real baseball ignoramus (although baseball knowledge is the least of your intellectual deficiencies). Before Hillary carpet-bagged it to New York State and proclaimed her undying devotion to the Yankees solely for political purposes, she was an Illinois-bred Cubs fan...or at least claimed to be. She claims to be a lot of things she's not. I'll grant you that Hillary wasn't a business partner with Bernie Kerik, she chose to partner up with real criminals like Webster Hubbell. As for Norman Hsu, anyone who illegally bundles that much money for your campaign is most certainly a business partner. Oh, but I forgot, you're a lefty with a gun. Oh please, don't shoot!
Me want justice...Me want
October 26, 2007 - 15:45 ET by Airforce_5_OMe want justice...Me want THUNDER DOME!!!!!!!!!
The only thing you should feel when shooting insurgents is the rifle recoil.
Rudy and the Red Sox
October 26, 2007 - 16:35 ET by easygoerThis is a repost in the appropiate thread. Rudy may be doing this to curry favor with NH voters and it probably
can't hurt,but as a lifelong NYer and Yankee fan,I am pulling for the
Red Sox because I always root for the American League team.It is not
unusual for fans over forty to have an allegiance to a particular
league.Rudy said he would only root against the AL if the Mets were the
NL opponent. As the former mayor of NY he had to say that.But in the
1986 Red Sox-Mets series I and many of my Yankee fan friends all wanted
Boston to prevail instead of the hometown Mets.Similarly,many of my Met fan
friends favored the hated Atlanta Braves in their two series
appearances against the Yanks for the same reason.League loyalty means
a lot to many fans,especially older ones,who grew up without
interleague play.So there's nothing wrong with Rudy pulling for the Sox.It certainly doesn't match Hillary's epiphany in 2000 when she proclaimed herself a Yankee fan