During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. -- United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171
Turns out that not wearing a flag lapel pin isn't the only way Barack Obama chooses to show he's a different kind of Democrat.
Have a look at the photo from the October 1, 2007 edition of "Time." It shows Obama, Hillary and Bill Richardson at the Steak Fry of Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) on September 17 in Indianola, IA during [according to the photo caption] the National Anthem. Richardson and Clinton have their hands on their heart. But not Obama. Does he perhaps believe that, like wearing the flag pin, the hand on the heart isn't "true patriotism"?
View video of anthem-playing here, showing that Obama never placed hand over heart. Warning: prepare ears for fingernails-on-blackboard rendition of anthem.
"Time" ran the photo without comment. I haven't seen coverage of this anywhere else in the MSM. Perhaps some enterprising reporter can ask the Illinois senator about his decision to spurn this American tradition.
Meanwhile, does Obama have some third act or omission planned to demonstrate that he's not falling for those corny, old-fashioned displays of patriotism?
H/t reader J.S.
NOTE: The original version of this item, based on a reader submission, stated that the photo was apparently taken during the Pledge of Allegiance. I've now located the original "Time" image, whose caption states that it was taken during the National Anthem.
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For a citizen of this
October 20, 2007 - 16:02 ET by MikeBFor a citizen of this country to choose not to pledge allegiance is a first amendment free speech right. However, for a politician who is running for the highest office of the land, refusing to pledge allegiance should disqualify him/her immediately. You have to wonder if Obama were to become Commander in Chief, to whom would his allegiance belong?
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Obama, you idiot, people
October 20, 2007 - 16:11 ET by wiwfObama, you idiot, people that hate the country still follow the tradition of hats off and hand on their chest. Been that way forever.
Unless of course, you are not doing any of these things because you AREN'T an American, which makes sense. But you're running for president, so it doesn't mkae sense either way.
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Ageed. Something like this
October 20, 2007 - 16:24 ET by Gary P JacksonAgeed. Something like this SHOULD disqualify one from holding ANY elected office, you know, like the Senate!
This guy is a total disgrace.
Obama is plainly telling the world that he owes no allegiance
October 20, 2007 - 16:40 ET by RJnot just to the flag, but to America.
These democRAT cretins who are running for President and other public office are determined to destroy our preeminence in the world.
It began with Madeline Albright, Secretary of State, saying that America should not be the only superpower in the world, and this is just the latest example of that attitude.
Apparently Obama subscribes
October 20, 2007 - 17:50 ET by motherbeltApparently Obama subscribes to the belief that the real way to be patriotic is to not show it...no flag pin, no pledge; none of that "loyalty" stuff you know. Oh, and don't forget to criticize.
That's a true patriot.
The difference?
October 23, 2007 - 06:07 ET by ThisnThatOsama? Obama? It's really getting hard to tell the difference, in so many ways.
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Just ask Mitt Romney. He
October 24, 2007 - 11:05 ET by Lord ElicaniJust ask Mitt Romney. He couldn't tell the difference, could he?
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Sen. Kennedy Doesn't Know His Obama from His Osama
November 2, 2007 - 08:48 ET by ecnirPI believe it is Senator Kennedy who can't tell his Obama from his Osama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APx2YJ-_jos
The U.N. has a flag, but
October 20, 2007 - 16:16 ET by alamojbThe U.N. has a flag, but does it have an anthem? If it does have an anthem, what would Obama do then? Or how about the Mexican flag? Or MEChA's flag?
I believe it does have an
October 20, 2007 - 17:53 ET by motherbeltI believe it does have an "anthem".(I don't know if it's official though) ..John Lennon's "Imagine". You know, imagine no countries, no possessions, no religion; nothing to kill or die for, a brotherhood of man...
Isn't that basically the
October 20, 2007 - 18:29 ET by mibrilaneIsn't that basically the description of The United Federation of Planets?
It is the Communist
October 20, 2007 - 22:22 ET by ahusserIt is the Communist Manifesto set to music.
Yeah, no possessions, no
October 21, 2007 - 07:52 ET by Seabeach4348Yeah, no possessions, no religion, no money, no nothing....all of this AFTER John Lennon became filthy rich!
I wonder how much of his $$$ John would have been willing to give up for his pollyanna "brotherhood of man" vision?
Barak Hussein Obama
October 20, 2007 - 16:26 ET by Lame CherryThis morphed insert becomes more interesting like Keith Ellison all the time in hating America.
I would like to see a Pavlov's test on Obama where if by reflex he would bow to Mecca at a prayer chant time (has anyone ever observed him in public during the call?) or if a good old Soviet flag were run up the pole next to him would he give it the communist salute then?
I hope he keeps up with this crap as even MSM loons wear flag pins and it would make a nice GOP commercial of Hillary praising B H Obama and then showing him standing there like Stalin ignoring the US Flag.
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Ads by Google put an ad for
October 20, 2007 - 16:41 ET by bws53Ads by Google put an ad for Obama on the page when I first viewed this page. I took a screenshot:
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Picture Caption Reads
October 20, 2007 - 16:42 ET by drillanwrHillary: <mumbling to herself under her breath> Looking gooood, Obama! Heh-heh ...
This has better possibilities than any "official" NB captionfest
October 22, 2007 - 05:02 ET by sarcasmoObama: <thinking to himself> Why's everyone lookin' at me funny? This is exactly where her husband told me the heart is!
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What is Obama trying to say?
October 20, 2007 - 17:01 ET by msh1973What is Obama trying to say? Does he think he is scoring points with voters by this public display of stupidity?
Does this man not realize
October 20, 2007 - 17:07 ET by CrimsonfistedDoes this man not realize that part of the job of President is to be the Commander-in-Chief? I guess he doesn't see how he insults our military in this manner. If he insults me as an American, I don't care. He is a jerk. But to people who lay their life on the line for me, that is where I draw the line.
He needs to withdraw from the race.
WhatAMaroon
Withdraw
October 23, 2007 - 06:10 ET by ThisnThat"He needs to withdraw from the race". Yeah, like the human race.
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Since in all likelihood Obama's not going to get the Dem nod,
October 20, 2007 - 18:43 ET by Scout FinchI wouldn't waste too much time worrying about him. He already made himself look bad by making an issue out of not wearing a flag lapel pin. I think he makes too many Americans queasy at the thought of him as "Commander-In-Chief".
But should Hillary choose him as running mate, all bets are off. Obama's not fit to fill the POTUS or VPOTUS position. Period.
Scout, Obama's not fit to
October 20, 2007 - 19:01 ET by MikeBScout, Obama's not fit to fill drink cups in a hamburger joint.
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He should be so lucky
October 20, 2007 - 23:39 ET by Scout FinchAs to have an honest job like that. No.....Obama's gonna be feeding off the Governmental teet for the rest of his life. Amazing how far a Muslim can get here in America. Imperial Yankee Dogs that we are.
If she does, the GOP needs
October 21, 2007 - 07:56 ET by Seabeach4348If she does, the GOP needs to run this video over and over again!
Obviously, Obama's heart is somewhere other than in America.
But he's in the Senate
October 21, 2007 - 08:12 ET by Bess2728Even if Obama doesn't get the nomination or on the ticket as VP - he's still a senator - which in of itself is scary (IHMO). And everytime he casts a vote for whatever warped agenda du jour, he worries me.
Personally, I don't think he's fit to serve city, state or nation in any capacity. Even dog catcher.
But Bess
October 21, 2007 - 08:30 ET by Cool ArrowJust look at all the good he's done for Illinois.
OK, maybe that's not a good fr'instance. Just look at all the good he says he's done for Illinois. Yeah, that's it.
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Remember, a picture is
October 20, 2007 - 19:29 ET by cruiserRemember, a picture is worth a thousand words.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. ----- Groucho Marx
Loud & Clear
October 20, 2007 - 19:52 ET by BarkerRemember, a picture is worth a thousand words.
And my universal salute to Obama is worth just two words.....
Do not forget that he was
October 20, 2007 - 19:34 ET by Sonny LykosDo not forget that he was raised in a Muslim school.
Mark
October 20, 2007 - 19:45 ET by BlondeAmazing.
As we always hear, a picture is worth a thousand words...in this case....many, many multiples of a thousand.
It speaks volumes.
Buh-bye Barry. Oh, excuse me...B. Hussein Obama.
Yeah...I got the subliminal message.
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Obama
October 20, 2007 - 19:55 ET by Army Bratis a punk.
Happy Trails...
A punk
October 20, 2007 - 20:01 ET by BlondePunk Rock Star? Clean Punk? Articulate Punk?
That pic of Obama says it all. He's toast.
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but obama
October 20, 2007 - 20:10 ET byis clean
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Aw....ya beat me to it, botg.
October 20, 2007 - 23:42 ET by Scout FinchObama is clean and articulate. Magical.
Scout there you are!!!!
October 23, 2007 - 15:14 ET bybeen saving this for you
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Would that make Hillary a
October 20, 2007 - 20:02 ET by Clear thinkerWould that make Hillary a punk-ette?
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For the children, perhaps?
October 20, 2007 - 20:05 ET by BarkerI wonder how Obama is going to try to worm his way out of this one.
Note to Obama: Save your breath, there is no excuse.
Um --
October 20, 2007 - 20:18 ET by dervishhow about, that he really, really, really had to go pee? (Maybe he had too many Dr. Peppers at the reception.)
Okay, this made me
October 20, 2007 - 23:35 ET by candanceOkay, this made me laugh.
card holding member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
Do any of these pinheads in
October 20, 2007 - 20:18 ET by Trix RabbitDo any of these pinheads in the picture actually have any hearts to put their hand over????
Obama looks likes he's just playing pocket pool.
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Geez, Trix
October 20, 2007 - 21:07 ET by BlondePocket pool?
I'm wrung after my Gators today....and you come up with that? :D
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Interesting. The picture
October 20, 2007 - 20:43 ET by GregEInteresting. The picture doesn't show it, but I wonder if there is another flag they are facing. I assume so. But if not, maybe they just don't see that big Rhode Island size one behind them that they should be facing.
Also interesting is the Time's caption...."Respect."
Aren't captions supposed to actually describe what is taking place? Why not "Disrespect?" Perhaps the Times author also doesn't know the proper address of the flag during the National Anthem.
What's Bill Richardson think he's facing?
Greg E,
October 20, 2007 - 20:55 ET by Dave RThis is that flag they were facing.
Disagree, Dave. If it
October 20, 2007 - 22:37 ET by MikeBDisagree, Dave. If it were, Obama would have been at attention with his hand over his heart. The same with this flag.
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Mike B, I stand corrected. Lol.
October 23, 2007 - 20:05 ET by Dave RThen again, those two flags represent essentially the same thing to me.
Why?
October 20, 2007 - 20:35 ET by okiehawk44If Obama is elected president of this country, don't you think he will expect us to respect that? Why would we?
True Patriotism
October 20, 2007 - 21:13 ET by AndanteIf not wearing an American flag pin shows us that Obama is truly patriotic then I guess that makes Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Kim Jong Ill and Osama bin Laden patriotic Americans too.
'Plugs' Biden http://thebushidoway... said that Obama was "clean" and "articulate"; he left out "inclined to political suicide".
Bye bye Obama and you too Plugger
A "Fair and Balanced" Analysis
October 20, 2007 - 21:18 ET by Del DolemonteHere's my "pro-Obama" take on this
Dating back many decades, I've witnessed thousands of people standing for the National Anthem, and not putting their hands over their hearts. Of course, many of these were at sporting events in Fenway Park in Jean-Claude Kerry's home town.
Now, the "anti-Obama" take:
As a candidate for the highest office in the land, he should know better. Not respecting the flag and national anthem of the country you are trying to become President of is certain suicide.
But since the fix has always been in for his Democrat opponent since Day 1, this proves that he's going in the tank already. In other words, it's pre-planned suicide.
Del,
October 20, 2007 - 21:21 ET by BlondeDo you think HRC's camp photo-shopped it?
Seriously...this guy is supposed to be clean, and articulate....could he possibly be this stupid?
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"...could he possibly be
October 20, 2007 - 22:39 ET by MikeB"...could he possibly be this stupid?"
He's a liberal, isn't he?
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I agree with what you've
October 20, 2007 - 21:42 ET by GregEI agree with what you've said. But likely the only reason it even makes it onto this site is that Obama brought up the whole "I don't wear a pin on my lapel because...." thing. If not for that, this isn't noticed. I don't give a rats butt who wears a lapel pin of the flag and who doesn't. It's a non-issue, but since he decided he'd try to stand above everyone and deem himself holier than thou regarding his reason for not wearing one, he's opened the door for criticism everytime he does anything that goes against the US code (or common knowledge and respect) regarding the flag. A liberal that is just so smart he kicks himself with his own foot.
Thanks for saying that,
October 21, 2007 - 06:00 ET by motherbeltThanks for saying that, Del, I was beginning to feel like a traitor. I, too have been to many events where the national anthem is played, and while I stand respectfully and face the flag, I don't always put my hand over my hear; neither do a lot of other people.
But let's face it, we expect more from our politicians and Presidential candidates. For Obama to take this stubborn "I ain't gonna do it!" attitude is a thumb-in-the-eye of a lot of Americans; it just makes him look snotty and proud (in the unflattering sense of the word).
Couple of thoughts. One, is
October 20, 2007 - 21:50 ET by balboaCouple of thoughts. One, is there film of this? Did Obama put his hand over his heart eventually? And secondly, whether a guy puts his hand over his heart during the national anthem is not big on my list of concerns regarding his potential candidacy. Foreign policy, homeland security, economic issues, etc., seem to be more pressing.
I dunno about you, bud, but
October 20, 2007 - 22:49 ET by marvlI dunno about you, bud, but I prefer a president dedicated to this country and its traditions. That's a base requirement before we ever get to his (lack of) knowledge of foreign policy or (lack of) knowledge at managing a large government entity.
Obama is a joke. I just don't understand how a turd like him has risen to the top of the cream.
Well, there aren't that
October 20, 2007 - 23:38 ET by balboaWell, there aren't that many Dem candidates out there, for sure. Don't know if Obama is a "turd" per se, but he doesn't have enough experience for me.
I guess the whole issue is a non-starter since
October 20, 2007 - 23:50 ET by Scout FinchHillary Herself has her hand over her ever-lovin' political heart, all the while taking mega-thousands of dollars bundled from Chinese laborers through ancient Chinese laundries in NYC. Neither candidate is fit to be POTUS.
Film?
October 23, 2007 - 06:25 ET by ThisnThatYes, there is film of this -- it was played on the Fox News morning show today before 7:00am.
Second, Presidential candidates don't get to decide which is most important -- if they did, they would choose the questions during the debates. And, we are buying the whole package. In Obama's case, a very important part of the package is missing -- respect for the United States.
When I see a picture like this, I ask myself "What will he be like, behind closed doors, with our adversaries"? If he sells us out in public like this, what kind of deals will be made if he becomes president? Is he going to agree with the Taliban? How about secretly having a good time selling the U.S. down the river with Iran?
Obama is acting like a petulant child, or a protestor. We don't like to elect people like that, regardless if this is "not as important" as other things. It's the whole package.
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IF the RNC was smart.....
October 20, 2007 - 22:29 ET by Dave RAnd I know I am stepping way, way out on a limb here, they would be having posters, t-shirts, coffee mugs and bumper stickers with this image being printed 24/7.
Bet the Clintonistas will be all over it. Hell, they may be smarter than the RNC.
Instead, Obama grabs the
October 20, 2007 - 22:55 ET by Emma GrumpInstead, Obama grabs the family jewels. True patriot!
Respect for America and its people
October 20, 2007 - 23:13 ET by chazskiObama has disparaged wearing flag lapel pins as a "show" of false patriotism. Apparently he feels the same way about saluting the flag during the National Anthem. But what he fails to understand is that the flag represents the nation, the same nation of which he contends he is fit to be president, and declining to salute the flag is actually declining to show respect for the nation, and for us, the People, who form the nation. So mustn’t one wonder, if he is indisposed to show respect for the nation, especially during the National Anthem, then when might we expect him to show his respect? Perhaps we are to take his word for it that he does, in fact, respect the nation … in his own private way. But isn’t he one of those who constantly bemoans the deviousness of politicians? But, then, isn’t he also a politician? And doesn’t that make taking his word for anything a trifle difficult … according to his own words? It seems that a simple gesture of respect for the nation during the National Anthem is an appropriate way for a man to honor the nation and the people of the nation, especially a man who seeks the honor of the nation’s highest office.
B. H. Obama has already identified his allegiance
October 20, 2007 - 23:23 ET by Mike BrattonBarack Hussein Obama's allegiance lies in that kingdom he's going to whip up after he's elected, remember?
In his own words, "I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth." Since this has no resemblance to the Biblically-predicted Christian kingdom which Christ Himself will create on Earth in the future (with no assistance needed to "create" it), I have a genuine concern as to just what type of "kingdom" Obama thinks he and his will be creating.
Consequently, it's not surprising he wouldn't salute an American flag, since he doesn't evidently have even a secondary allegiance to it. His election as President would only be the means to the end of becoming King Barack I.
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I'll leave it to the 99% of
October 21, 2007 - 00:17 ET by wiwfI'll leave it to the 99% of Americans that wave the flag, hold their hand over their heart, and take their hat off to determine what is false patriotism. Not Obama.
Wonder if Obama conventions are going to have the American flag banned... I bet Colbert would put a stop that that!
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The old line: a picture is
October 21, 2007 - 01:34 ET by USA4freedomThe old line: a picture is worth a thousand words............
These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
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I am so Disgusted by this
October 21, 2007 - 01:36 ET by Steelefan1I am so Disgusted by this obvious display of disrespect for one our countries most cherished traditions. I can not believe a person running for the highest office this nation can bestow upon anyone would show such contempt for our flag.
Everyone here should see that this image is posted is as many places as possible because we know that 80% media will ignore it.
here is a great place to use as a host site. http://www.imagebam.com/
B. Hussein Obama
October 21, 2007 - 07:52 ET by Cool ArrowI'm not completely sold on this "I'm a Christian" nonsense he trots out either.
Maybe he's showing us what it means to be a Christian with his stands on moral issues.
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I could be wrong
October 21, 2007 - 08:22 ET by Jack BauerI could be wrong here....
But isn't that a "Rap" crotch grab from Barack 'Missy' Obama.
Maybe that's the rapper equivalent of the hand on heart salute!
In repect for kultural diversity how dare you lily-whiteys diss the black man!
Apologize NOW!!!!! And give Jesse Jackson his tithe.
Yikes
October 21, 2007 - 10:20 ET by mbs6This is a very damning photo. It portrays Obama as a disinterested fool. He looks as vacant as Homer Simpson. Inside his head he's thinking, "What is this quaint little hand over heart ritual?"
Possible future AP story:
October 21, 2007 - 10:32 ET by Chris NormanPossible future AP headdline and story:
"The New Patriotism"
"President Barak Obama, in his first order of business,upon taking office, issued a bold and refreshing executive order, banning the flying of the American flag over the White House and other government buildings and discontinuing the playing of the national anthem. He called them "out moded" and "nationalistic". Instead, a list of his policies and proposals will be flown from flagpoles and be read before public events. He said this is the best way to show "our love for our country".
A joke, Chris, but too damn close to possibility
October 21, 2007 - 10:51 ET by RJThe left really does see all that flag stuff as jingoistic and unnecessarily confrontational on the international stage.
RJ, I've commented here
October 21, 2007 - 10:55 ET by Chris NormanRJ,
I've commented here before that today's parodies of liberals have a tendency to become tomorrow's reality - proving you can make this stuff up...
Chris, I'm betting that if you took a poll of the left
October 22, 2007 - 18:52 ET by RJmost would agree that the US should practice your parody. I was going to say "except for putting the policies on the flagpole", but then I remembered the old military saying: "let's run it (the idea) up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes." :^)
And THIUS Is what Dems Think is Presidential Material?
October 21, 2007 - 10:45 ET by ChasvsGive me a break. this is the last person in the world we need as a President at this time.
Mark...
October 21, 2007 - 10:57 ET by Clear thinkerThe pic you used seems a bit odd, any ideas?
Notice how tiny hillary and the woman on the far right look?!
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Looks like the "coverage
October 21, 2007 - 11:11 ET by Chris NormanLooks like the "signal strength bars" in an AT&T Wireless commercial?
BTW, that's the first time I've ever read Hillary as being on the "far right"...:)
Anyone have a link to a
October 21, 2007 - 14:55 ET by Steelefan1Anyone have a link to a larger size copy of this image?
Found...
October 21, 2007 - 15:15 ET by dervish... this one.
OOP -- never mind -- same link as in the above article.
Redux
October 21, 2007 - 15:29 ET by dervishHere's a photo montage of the event. 5 of the 6 candidates attending are pictured individually with hands over their hearts. There is one notable exception.
A picture is worth a
October 21, 2007 - 15:01 ET by bigtimerA picture is worth a thousand words as they say....
This one isn't, but it says it all for me where this man stands.
World citizen
October 21, 2007 - 17:22 ET by celatorWell, Obama is a citizen of the world, doncha know. He's not one of those nasty nativists who go around as a citizen of only one country. Salute the glag? Show honor to the symbols of this country? How quaint. How so passe.
Watch out for this guy. Find out who his handlers are (also true for all the other candidates) and you'll uncover some interesting stuff.
Obama is a closet muslim
October 21, 2007 - 17:35 ET by SlicksterHe cannot be expected to respect the flag because he doesn't even respect himself. He finished except for blaming whitey.
slick....Well he better
October 21, 2007 - 17:42 ET by bigtimerHi Slick....
Well he better take a good look at his reflection in the mirror because he has at least half of himself/family to blame if he is going to do that...eh?
LOL!
Obama
October 21, 2007 - 18:50 ET by pocomocoIt appears as though Mr. Obama (I refuse to call him Senator) is taking Louis Farrakhan’s recent suggestion that blacks separate themselves from whites, seriously. It’s obvious that he has a problem assimilating.
In this photo, he’s probably waiting for the NAACP’s National Anthem to be played.
What possible reason could
October 22, 2007 - 11:57 ET by balboaWhat possible reason could you have for refusing to call him senator?
Um, because he believes Obama's behavior
October 22, 2007 - 12:04 ET by RJis insulting to the office?
Huh. He must not call LOTS
October 22, 2007 - 12:17 ET by balboaHuh. He must not call LOTS of people senator, then.
Well, I don't know about that, bal,
October 22, 2007 - 18:45 ET by RJbut I think he's justified in the case of Barak Hussein Obama, who seems to be telling the world that he doesn't owe allegiance to our flag...and maybe to America.
"Seems" to be telling the
October 22, 2007 - 21:20 ET by balboa"Seems" to be telling the world. I understand how you could get that impression. But somehow I doubt that a guy running for president would consciously try to tell the world that he doesn't have allegiance toward his country's flag.
bal, Obama's the one who made the big issue
October 23, 2007 - 08:47 ET by RJabout the flag. Based on that, I'd say it's definitely "conscious."
He looks so frickin'
October 22, 2007 - 02:48 ET by RackieHe looks so frickin' "Presidential" don't he?
Why is Barrack Hussein
October 22, 2007 - 12:32 ET by JerryWhy is Barrack Hussein standing without placing his hand over his heart? Easy. The chair must be wet. Otherwise he would be sitting.
Don't know which is worse. Hussein showing his true colors or Hilary concealing hers.
Still waiting for the press to tell us what he "really meant to do"... Like they always tell us what democrats "really meant to say" every time they say something stupid.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachmen vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
anatomy
October 22, 2007 - 12:53 ET by AndanteI figgered it out...Obama failed anatomy class.
Oh my -- did you hear that
October 22, 2007 - 19:20 ET by Richard RomanoOh my -- did you hear that singer? Goodness, please stop!! YOU CANNOT SING, please STOP!
How about this adorable shot of President Bush?
October 22, 2007 - 19:51 ET by Jules Siegelhttp://wilsonsalmana...
Oh Geez,
October 22, 2007 - 19:56 ET by BlondeThe lib ex-pat from Mexico has returned.
Spare me.
ACA...where are you?
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Hi Blonde -This Jules person thinks showing a picture of Bush
October 22, 2007 - 20:47 ET by Dee Bunkwhere he's obviously in the process of raising his hand compares to Obama standing there with hands locked. It's amazing what liberals have to do to fool themselves.
I'm just driving by real quick and have to run, but I couldn't resist commenting on this. What a loser trying to misrepresent the picture. All someone has to do is say "'look at Bush he didn't know where is heart was - ha ha ha ha he's so dumb" and they believe it not realizing how stupid a premise it is and they are the ones playing the fool.
Hmm...well, no, it doesn't
October 23, 2007 - 07:55 ET by JerHmm...well, no, it doesn't appear that our President is "obviously in the process of raising his hand" to his heart in the photo linked by Jules. The women and children seem to have reached the designated region in a timely fashion. Perhaps Bush is just not very quick on the uptake; then again, maybe he's just a man with a s-l-o-o-w hand.
Another possibility is that Bush and Obama are simply covering their most significant organs respectively....Bush, his intestine [as in 'fortitude'] and Obama, well, a somewhat lower portion of the anatomy.
Now, for a few less frivolous observations concerning this national crisis:
--When the story was first reported here as Obama's failure to participate in the Pledge of Allegiance, I thought it reflected a fairly serious misstep on his part.
--Upon learning it instead involved the National Anthem, I felt the infraction was noteworthy but certainly less harmful.
--An analysis of the photo montage depicts Obama at the far left [symbolism?] of the other candidates; and in a position where he, facing the crowd, cannot see any of the other candidates. All the other Democrats benefit from seeing Richardson [presumably]snapping to attention with hand over heart, so that each of them can follow his lead (in case they might have otherwise forgotten).
--As such, Obama's omission was not inconsequential, but it wasn't a monumental political gaffe either [as some here are insisting]. However, wait until its revealed he was the one who sent the lovely fruit basket to bin Laden on his birthday...he's toast!
Jer
Jer - get serious
October 23, 2007 - 09:01 ET by Dee BunkThere is no comparison what so ever. First there is no way to know at what point the picture was taken and if his hand was going up or coming down. Even assuming your liberal Bush derangement view, it's not the same as Obama who has publicly dissed wearing a flag pin. Notice what Bush is wearing in the picture. Yes, a flag pin. He's not the least bit afraid of showing patriotism and if his arm is tired or what ever it doesn't have any significance compared to O'bama's locked hands. He's obviously not familiar with or doesn't practice the tradition.
Dee, please don't assume
October 23, 2007 - 09:52 ET by JerDee, please don't assume any "liberal Bush derangement" view on my part. I don't have one.
Jer
Okay Jer - then I assume you can clearly see the difference
October 23, 2007 - 10:04 ET by Dee Bunkbetween low placement with a flag pin vs no placement and a statement against a flag pin. There is no comparison. If you think there is then please answer my question to Jules below.
Dee, my comparative thoughts
October 23, 2007 - 10:40 ET by JerDee, my comparative thoughts on Bush and Obama are that both of these men are good, loyal, patriotic Americans.
Jer
Jer - Obama is more of an internationalist. He doesn't believe
October 23, 2007 - 11:07 ET by Dee Bunkin America as the greatest country. He cares more what Europeans think than what Americans think and he wants us to blend more with them and not stand out as superior all of the time. He may have good intentions, but I wouldn't call him patriotic in the original sense of the word. Patriotism is about pride in our superiority and knowing that our system produces the best results regardless of the political party in charge. There is a differenced between saying that you can do something better and siding with and giving propaganda to those outside of our country.
He's ashamed of our Country right now. He certainly has every right to be that way, but that is not patriotic. He loves his party not his country.
Dee, would you kindly give
October 23, 2007 - 11:19 ET by JerDee, would you kindly give me an example of Obama's love of party over country, and some sustainable evidence that he doesn't think America is the greatest country in the world?
Thanks, Jer
It's the absence of
October 23, 2007 - 12:37 ET by Dee BunkIt's the absence of examples where he supports this country in the war on terror that is more telling. Why don't you provide examples of those? It's only the greatest country in the world if his party is in charge. As with most liberals, he thinks American conservatives are more dangerous than dictators and terrorists. He can talk and reason with them, but not with us.
He didn't fault Kerry in the 2004 election for voting for the war and said he acted with the best information he had but slams Bush for using that same info and the same info that the Clinton Admin had and talked about.
The fact that he spoke out against going to Iraq before it happened is one thing, but continually speaking out against it and giving hope and comfort to the terrorists is what has made them as successful as they have been (which still isn't more successful than our troupes). You certainly can't think it helped our efforts in any way can you? Can you even imagine for a moment where this war might be had the left not been saying the same things as the terrorists about our country and the war?
I'm sorry Jer, but you are in a fog about your party. You are clinging to the image of how it once was despite the obvious sharp turn left. I still can't believe you think there are JFK type Democrats out there. Of course you couldn't name any but you just "believe". When someone believes it's impossible to have a logical debate.
Have another
October 22, 2007 - 21:06 ET by Jules Siegelhttp://www.impeachsl...
You're wrong
October 23, 2007 - 06:38 ET by ThisnThatGo take a look at the Obama picture again, and tell me why you aren't dissing Richardson for copying Bush's pose of respect.
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I can tell you are real offended Jules
October 23, 2007 - 09:07 ET by Dee BunkYou must be really hot about O'bama who couldn't be bothered to wear a flag pin or even move his hand an inch. Or I guess O'bama could just be too stupid. So which is it? Is he more stupid or more evil than GWB or both?
Excellent photo, jules - and
October 23, 2007 - 14:20 ET by mgerardnExcellent photo, jules - and excellent watching the newsbusters crew generating the spin process of why it's okay for Bush to put his hand on his stomach instead of his heart. Always entertaining to see the momentum come to a halt when their leader is caught disrespecting the flag - the notion of that he's obviously is in the process of raising his hand up to his heart clearly demonstrates the extremes these right wingers will go to defend their president. Amazingly, there are people on this site who actually defend the Mission: Accomplished banner - so what can you expect.
so which is it mgerdn - Jules wouldn't answer
October 24, 2007 - 11:19 ET by Dee BunkIs O'bama more stupid or more evil than Bush or Both?
Seems both are true. The
October 28, 2007 - 01:08 ET by RESTLESS 1Seems both are true. The dems in congress are being beaten at every turn by the "idiot" Bush. For someone so "stupid", they seem to keep losing to him. As for evil, everyone knows that there is nothin in the world more evil than the modern day democratic. Heeyuk.
}}---> circuitous argument
October 28, 2007 - 01:13 ET by Cool ArrowThe Dems point to Conservatives' inability to succumb to the constant pounding of Liberal public education as proof they can't be educated.
IMO, it is proof that we
October 28, 2007 - 01:25 ET by RESTLESS 1IMO, it is proof that we are. Think about how many things posters here disagree on. Yet we still find time to answer each other's questions and are civil, (in most instances, see below). The true indication of intelligence is the ability to learn new points of view and incorporate them into one's knowlege base. Dems want to silence all debate on any of their sacred cows, thus learning stops. Who is stupid then?
}}---> Ah So Restless Grasshopper
October 28, 2007 - 02:31 ET by Cool ArrowThe Liberal Indoctrination Machine was unable to make a slave of you. You are therefore an enemy of their ideology.
Oh my my
October 23, 2007 - 11:31 ET by James Brown Lordwhat can one say except that Islam does not allow him to honor any thing above it.
It is pretty low of Barack
October 24, 2007 - 10:20 ET by Free StinkerIt is pretty low of Barack to keep his hand off of his heart during the National Anthem.
If I didn't think Hillary & her Machine were going to crush him in the primaries, I would be very worried.
Is true patriotism a game, to be played to gain or keep control?
October 28, 2007 - 00:49 ET by BlindSightHistory would say yes:
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http://www.lewrockwe...
http://www.lewrockwe...
http://freedominourt...
http://www.snopes.co...
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You apparently approve - as would any TRUE patriot.
But because Obama is aware of this game and refuses to play, that MUST be proof that he hates America.
Thank you for helping us to see this more clearly.
Pres. Bush: "Our guiding principle is clear. We must lead the world to produce fewer greenhouse gas emissions and we must do it in a way that does not undermine economic growth or prevent nations from delivering greater prosperity for their people."
}}---> I disagree, BlindSight
October 28, 2007 - 01:05 ET by Cool ArrowI think it's just B. Hussein Obama's way of saying: "I don't have to show you a d&mn thing. You're gonna vote for me anyway."
He was just trotted into the campaign to show how "inclusive" the Dem Party is anyway.
Surely his buddy Sen. Biden has clued him in on what his place is.
Now if he were to adopt some real issues and propose some real solutions, . . . never mind. That would make him a Conservative.
He`s a real candidate, but lacks experience and perspective
October 28, 2007 - 01:33 ET by BlindSightNow if he were to adopt some real issues and propose some real solutions, . . . never mind. That would make him a Conservative.
I agree, but Ron Paul`s the only conservative I see. The rest, on both sides, are simply fighting to control the directions in which the pork spigots are directed, and are happy to keep us fooled into thinking they have our best interests in mind.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Pres. Bush: "Our guiding principle is clear. We must lead the world to produce fewer greenhouse gas emissions and we must do it in a way that does not undermine economic growth or prevent nations from delivering greater prosperity for their people."
I like some of what Paul
October 28, 2007 - 01:50 ET by RESTLESS 1I like some of what Paul says, but IMO, he is wholly unelectable,( is that even a word?). I'm not sure of any of the candidates as yet, but what I am deeply concerned about is a dem getting the WH with an end around because of a split Republican vote (IE '92). Also, I think many conservatives are forgetting about the house and senate. IMO, it is impaerative that we win these back in a timely fashion. If congress stays in dem hands and they win the White House, God help us all.
Look, I'm tired of being
October 28, 2007 - 01:18 ET by RESTLESS 1Look, I'm tired of being nice here. If you want to scrap my post, so be it, but barak is an asshole. As far as I am concerned, the whole dem party is too far gone to ever be reasoned with. They are, to me, like arabs: the only good one is a dead one. Until any one of these vile creatures starts condemning the actions of terrorists, and those that support them ( I guess that would be dems), they can all go to hell.
Sorry to bring the site down in terms of the moral high ground, but I am getting more pissed with these people by the story. Why is no one outside of the blogosphere listening?
Oh yeah. The so called protectors of freedom, the msm, won't report these things.
Someon Tell Obama the country he is in
October 31, 2007 - 16:48 ET by JayTeeTha boy is a dummy beyond belief.....where did he grow up ? was it in America ?
Someone Tell Obama what country he is in, and the office he is running for....it involves patriotism, and Flags, and pledges to defend the Flag, the citizens, and "For which it stands".
The Democrats are supporting Illegal Aliens, and non-Americans, and they think they're gonna get votes from real "Americans".....that's pretty stupid of them.
The "mandate" isn't gonna come close to Mondale's votes....the Dems are gonna hafta flush the toilet and clean up after this election.
Hand over fist!
September 21, 2008 - 18:17 ET by KansasgirlHussein is going nowhere!