Chait Doesn't Just Hate Bush: Loathes Lower Taxes, Too

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Jonathan Chait is one of the Founding Fathers of Bush Derangement Syndrome. Way back in '03, the New Republic senior editor authored one of BDS's early, seminal works: "The Case for Bush Hatred," whose very sentence was the subtle: "I hate President George W. Bush."

Ah, but Jonathan Chait isn't a mere one-hatred man. As of this morning, we can conclusively state that in addition to his animus toward our nation's chief executive, Jonathan Chait also hates lower taxes.

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In his New York Times column "Captives of the Supply Side," Chait directs his ire at lower federal taxes in general, and in particular toward those who believe that lowering tax rates can actually yield higher total tax revenues. This is of course the theory behind the Laffer Curve, based on the notion that lowered tax rates are more than compensated for by the additional economic activity they stimulate.

Chait variously derides tax-cut proponents as "the economic far right," calls supply siders "the most extreme and counterfactual subgroup" among anti-taxers, labeling believers in supply-side economics "fanatical ideologues." His new book dismisses their ideas as "crackpot" and a "con."

There's only one small cloud on Chait's higher-taxes horizon: the facts. As he somewhat sheepishly acknowledges along the way:

Granted, economic growth sometimes causes revenues to rise faster than expected after a tax cut, as has happened since the 2003 tax cut.

Uh, yeah, there is that.

But not to worry. Chait goes on to argue that in any case, in most cases higher tax rates will yield higher total tax revenues. We'll leave it to others to determine the precise point on the Laffer Curve that yields the highest return. But I would make two observations:

  • Why, in any case, should our goal be to set tax rates at the point likely to collect the maximum amount of money for the federal government? Why feed the monster? We should instead be seeking to send to Washington the absolute minimum necessary to fulfill the indispensable functions of the federal government.
  • As a senior editor of the New Republic, Chait is a voice of the liberal establishment. It might be difficult to predict what precisely would be the foreign policy of a new Dem president. But one thing is beyond cavil: domestically, raising taxes will be a key goal of any Dem White House denizen.

—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.


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Feed the Beast

Mark,

Liberals are people who believe the government can make better use of your money than you can. 

The tax code becomes an instrument of social policy and income redistribution.   Productive people can work harder so that others can be motivated to sit on their duffs, receive transfer payments, and vote Democrat.

Liberals do have a conscience. "A Liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which he proposes to pay with your money" 

 

Well said, Allan.

Well said, Allan. Liberals's idea of charity is forcing other people to give up their money.

they love to pay taxes as well

For hard core fundie libs like this the government is god and taxes are tithes - so more tithes to their god is always better then less - their emotional security is wrapped up in the government - everyone needs some sort of god for their security, and every faith has its fanatics

A service of the new NB respect police

Why feed the monster?

Because it's hungry. And big.
JMR

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Tax Records Please

Mr. Chait, please make your tax records for the past 15 years available for all to see.  I'm so tired of hearing these libs do such crazy speech, but never having to prove anything.  I would suspect that his tax records would give us a greater insight into what he feels about the lower taxes, the tax laws in general, his shelters, his donations, etc.  If you want to be in the spotlight, then let everything be known about you! 

Take it all

To liberals like his Chait guy, it doesn't matter if lower taxes increases revenue for the government.

Confiscatory taxes are the only option. You can't have socialism if the gov't doesn't control most of your money.

I was talking to the Hibiscus next to you! - - Hillary explaining what she really meant when the Iowan guy thought Hillary called him a plant.

Mica, I just saw your

Mica, I just saw your comment when I posted mine. You have made a great
point. If higher revenues were the goal, they would support lower
taxes. I think you are right that the goal is control, and, I would
add, income redistribution.

Thanks, Motherbelt

Income redistribution? Absolutely! What's the point of taking most of the money from the working masses if you do not use it to control and grow the dependent class in return for their votes?

 

Granted, economic growth

Granted, economic growth sometimes causes revenues to rise faster than
expected after a tax cut, as has happened since the 2003 tax cut.

But that was just a fluke, right?

Folks like Chait refuse to believe that taxes alter behavior. They think you figure out which "thing"...be it an activity, item, or behavior, is widely popular and prevalent, and tax the hell out of it. Then you expect that people will continue to engage in that activity, or buy that item, or persist in that behavior at the same level, even though it costs more.

 

I get real tired of

I get real tired of citizens saying their taxes are not big
enough.

Look if you feel sooooooo strongly send them a check!!!!!

 

Some people that think that gas is too cheap... Send them a
check!

 

Some people that think we don’t spend enough on health care for
the children.. send them a check!

 

Some people that think we don’t spend enough to fix our
bridges.. Send them a check!!

 

Some people think that we do not spend enough on teachers
pay..Send them a check!

 

Some people think that we do not spend enough on windmills..
Send them a check.

 

See the point here is when they say: “we” they really mean
is “you”.

So I would like to turn it around and say: “YOU” CAN PAY
MORE..... I THINK I PAY ENOUGH.

These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day

Granted, economic growth

Granted, economic growth sometimes causes revenues to rise faster than
expected after a tax cut, as has happened since the 2003 tax cut.

 

And in '94 when the Republican congress cut taxes.  And in 1980 when Reagan cut taxes.  And in the 60's when Kennedy cut taxes. 

I think I see a trend here, but why let the facts get in the way with a perfect piece of...propaganda.

Guilt?

I agree that alot of the tax issues with the Democrats is all about power and control.  It would take a blind man not to see that.  However, they milk the guilt of the a lot of liberals.  "You are lucky enough to have______, you should help others."  Well I will help others in my own way.  I will make my donations to the charities/organizations I WANT my money to go too. 

That just seems to be too difficult for liberals to understand. 

 

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Three comments

  • If you have five businesses, and each pays a million in taxes, you wind up with five million. How to increase revenue? You either ask for more from the existing five, or you attract more businesses. Lowering the tax rate is what attracts new businesses. You make up in payers what you trade off in rate. That’s not insane; it’s a theory that works in practice. But there’s more to it than simply the revenue.

    • More businesses have collateral benefits that pay off down the line, such as more jobs, and more competitors create pressure to improve productivity, and so on.

    • On the other hand, increasing tax rates has the opposite effect, with no collateral benefits.

  • The government is roughly one fifth of the American economy, but it works in contrast to the other four fifths. Taxes may boost the short term revenue of the government, but that revenue comes at the expense of the other sectors. If you’re looking at the health of the economy overall, does it make sense to measure the health of 20% at the expense of the 80%?

    • It only makes sense when you belong to governing class.

  • The reason we want to collect the maximum taxes, at the moment, is that we’re currently in debt. However, the long term answer to higher debt isn’t more taxes, it’s addressing the debt drivers: spending and entitlements.

So what is enough? 100%

So what is enough?

100% no one will work

90% no one will work

80% no one will work

70% almost no one will work

60% a few more will work

50% now we are getting where Europe is

40% more Europe like France (look at their mess)

30-40% is about where we are...if you don’t include state,
local, sales..etc taxes.

Look we all know its not about paying taxes, cutting taxes
has worked time and time again, so its not like it’s a mystery.

ITS ABOUT CONTROL. The right of a few in Washington to pick
and choose on who make more and who make less according to whom “they” think deserves
it. 

These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day

If taxation is the secret

If taxation is the secret then we could “tax” our way out of
a recession.   

These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day

Not so much wealth distribution

I don't think it's only about wealth redistribution, although that's part of it. I think it's also about where the liberals' political constituencies are. The way to attract new business is to improve the environment for doing business. That includes union agreements, product regulations, liability regulations ... all of which cut into the liberals' main constituencies (unions and lawyers). Rather than take a dime from their supporters, they'll demand taking the dimes from GOP supporters (business owners).

You can work out a reasonable balance between the constituencies. However, when you start playing with emotions ("I hate Bush," "conservatives are all greedy country-club snobs," "tax cuts are just for the rich," etc.), you're simply whining instead of negotiating in good faith. Liberals compound the problem when they use the media to present their whining as analysis (i.e., Paul Krugman).

Obviously, conservatives can whine, too. But this wasn't an article about conservatives. It was an article about the political whining of a leading liberal, who would rather hate than negotiate.

Why not a, say $5 tax per

Why not a, say $5 tax per music CD and DVD movie?  Let's hear the hollywood libs and dems talk that one down.  This tax could raise a bundle for congress to squander.

I love it, I wish a

I love it, I wish a Republican would have the guts to put one in a bill!! 

These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day

That wouldn't take much courage at all

And it wouldn't surprise me either. OTOH politicians actually cutting spending (gasp!) for once would probably put me into a state of shock...
JMR

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Put it on R & X Rated movies & on PA Music!

Great idea!  Put tax on R & X Rated Movies/DVDs, etc.  Put it on PA Music, etc.  That would be absolutely fabulous!  Start the petition now!

Are you folks really that pro-tax??

I'm trying not to be surprised...What's wrong with getting half that excited about cutting spending instead of raising taxes? Why is raising taxes suddenly a good idea?
JMR

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it would just fun to see the

it would just fun to see the libs whine against taxes for a change...

A service of the new NB respect police

And I'd join them.

As I always try to do, when they're morally right. My problem with BOTH sides is they do not ever say enough about spending. This problem is catching up to us -- or to our grandkids. Anyway, this idea strikes me as unprincipled, and IMO there are better ways to infuriate the left than giving a demonstrably-irresponsible congress even more loot with a new tax.
JMR

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This is to show how Libs react when tax on them!

Sarc, this is meant to see how Libs react when tax on them.  Oh, they want tax on Cigars & Cigarettes to pay for SCHIPs[and kids up to 25], but if you wanted to tax movies, music, etc., they'd go beserck.  They don't care about tax on Gas, Oil, etc., because most live in Big Cities, don't have cars, etc., and ride in Limos, Private Jets, etc.  they are so out-of-tune to the American Way because they only drink and do drugs and get married 5 times, or have many life partners!  We're not saying we love TAXES, far from that, we are the exact other end of the sprectum, we want low or no taxes-actually the Tax as you Go is the best way.  Use it and you pay taxes, don't use it, you don't pay taxes....

Guys, this tax would work

Guys, this tax would work the way you want it to only if the bill was written so that the tax could not be passed through to the consumer. That way, it would be the movie companies and music companies who paid the tax instead of the consumer.

It really drives me crazy when a Washington socialist says that "Corporations don't pay enough taxes", and a bunch of idiots holler, "Yeah, tax the corporations." What the fools don't realize is that they are saying, "we don't pay enough for the products and services we buy." But, they sure whine and piss and moan when prices go up after the tax goes into effect. "It's them damn evil corporations screwing the consumer again." I wish people would get a brain when it comes to economics.

"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan

Higher Taxes Don't Make Sense

I was listening to a radio talk show over the weekend called The Financial Guys. They discussed a scenario about a guy who's putting his daughter through Columbia grad school by working 2 jobs (nice father, huh?!). Problem was by doing so, that put him into a higher tax bracket, so more taxes were being confiscated. However, if he were to quit both jobs, his daughter would have access to more financial assistance from the government so WE the taxpayers would end up paying for her college. Point was, the system the way it is now rewards people who don't work, and penalizes people who work hard.

I just happen to catch Mike Huckabee on C-Span last night. This was the first time I got a chance to listen to him speak, and I like this guy! He wants to scrap the tax system and he gives common sense reasons why. Needless to say he got a standing O!

 

I’m with you, I was

I’m with you, I was looking hard at Fred but I don’t see a
fire in him. I will take a long look tonight at the debates.

I might move over to Huckabee.

I am so worried that we will get a RINO in again. 

These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day

I agree. I caught the end

I agree. I caught the end of Fred's speech right before Huckabee's and Fred sounded like he was reading from a script, and very badly at that! There were pauses in his speech when he had to look down at his notes. He's an actor for crying out loud! He should have his speech memorized so it doesn't sound so much like he's reading.

Then when Huckabee spoke, he didn't sound scripted at all and he kept my attention the whole time he spoke. Fred, on the otherhand, didn't really have much to say in the few minutes I saw. It was just a lot of cliche talk.

Excuse me, Mr. Cheat...uh,

Excuse me, Mr. Cheat...uh, Chait. Is it that you think your taxes are too low, or that my taxes are too low? If you think you don't pay enough taxes, the United States Treasury will accept a check from you over and above the taxes you owe. If you think your taxes are too low, I'll tell you what: write a check to the government that will leave you just above poverty. That way, you can assuage your liberal guilt.

In the meantime, Mr. Liberal Genius, if you don't think lower tax rates means increased tax revenues, how much money do you think the federal government would collect if the tax rates were 100%? In your alternative universe that would yield the maximum in tax revenues, correct? Time after time, experience has shown that lower tax rates stimulates economic activity, which leads to higher tax revenues. But, hey, we don't want to let any facts get in the way of your liberal, marxist theory, now do we?

Laffer was correct. If the tax rate is 0%, the revenues would be 0. Similarly, if the tax rate is 100%, the revenues will be zero. The rate that maximizes revenue is somewhere in between the two extremes. Chait is a fool.

"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan

All Bush would have to do to

All Bush would have to do to stop this taxation banter, would be to say he was for it. The lib's would immediately counter with "taxes are to high". They are all about being contrary to any conservitive point of view, nooo thinking needed.

This is an example of true

This is an example of true modern day liberal thinking.  People like Chait do not like confusing issues with facts.  I'm continually astounded at how easy it is for left wing nuts to completely ignore reality and draw conclusions which are actually in direct contradiction to that reality.  We have had record receipts to the Treasury for some time now.  The federal deficit is coming down despite massive spending increases by our government.  How does Chait explain this?  Of course, he doesn't.  Liberals never have to truly explain themselves, because they are never challenged to do so.  The mainstream media will not question this idiocy and libs like Chait have a knack for making sure they are never exposed to an unfriendly audience which may question their logic.

GREAT IDEA

  • Why, in any case, should our goal be to set tax rates at the point likely to
    collect the maximum amount of money for the federal government? Why feed
    the monster? We should instead be seeking to send to Washington the absolute
    minimum necessary to fulfill the indispensable functions of the federal
    government.

Sounds to me like he wants to lower taxes yet again. GREAT IDEA, Lets lower them to the point that the government needs to be wise on how they spend OUR money for once.

Taxes

This is not a direct tax response but it goes to show our government in action with our money.

Right now the government subsidises the ethanol producing industry with our taxes. This is making the price of corn rise and everything that consumes corn gets more expensive as well. Cattle feed, sweetners, cosmetics and on and on. So we pay more for food and other products, which is like another tax. So we are paying at both ends because they think it's a great idea to shove ethanol at us. Which of course gets 20% less fuel economy than plain old gasoline. It's our governement at work with their solution. We pay, they get to feel good that they are doing something.

I really believe some of our elected reprensentatives have a pretty narrow band of intelligence.

 

The liberals have two major problems...

1) They really don't want higher revenues for the Federal Government, they want the Federal Government to control 100% of the money and decide who gets what and how much. They are hard-core pure Marxists.

2)They have a problem with economics in that they are stuck with their mostly middle-school mathmatical understanding and can not fathom how lowering taxes stimulates the economy and as a result tax revenues measured in absolute dollars actually go up (just like in 2004-2007 as a result of the 2003 tax-cut). They actually believe that the economy would have grown anyway and that the government got less revenue than they "ought" because of the tax cuts.

Isn't it delisciously ironic that liberals think that a natural cyclic system is suddenly affected by human actions (global warming) yet totaly discount human actions as effecting a purely human generated cyclical system (the national economy)?

 



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I don't believe for one

I don't believe for one second that the majority of liberals are in any way "hard-core Marxists." Come on.

Ok so you disagree with the

Ok so you disagree with the term: 'hard-core', that doesn't change the Marxist part.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

hey dumba$$

If you hate lower taxes, then by all means...you and the rest of your liberal pals feel free to pay more taxes...pay a lot more...let's say you pay and your pals pay 50%. Still think higher taxes are a good idea?

Think of this as the altruistic voluntary tax hike...pay more taxes if you like, just leave me out of it. Here's a novel idea for you liberals...put you money where your mouth is.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.
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