Wesley Wants Rush Whacked From Military Radio; Vieira: Treat Him Like 'Annoying Gnat'

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Ah, those diversity-loving liberals. You know, the kind who would stifle free speech with their Orwellian "Fairness Doctrine," who threaten legal action against mom-and-pop T-shirt makers who criticize MoveOn.org. Wesley Clark would now take things one step further, whacking Rush Limbaugh off the Armed Forces Network radio airwaves.

"Today" co-anchor Meredith Vieira interviewed the retired general and former Dem presidential candidate on this morning's show.

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MEREDITH VIEIRA: He wants Congress to pull Rush Limbaugh off the Armed Forces Radio Network, which is funded by taxpayers . . . You started this email campaign to get Limbaugh off the Armed Forces radio. It is a drastic step. Why do you think it is necessary?

WESLEY CLARK: Because I think that his comments just cross the line. I think there's a lot people serving in Iraq, a lot of veterans who served, a lot of veterans who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, who have thoughts about the war that aren't necessarily in agreement with President Bush. That's their right as American citizens, it doesn't mean they weren't great soliders, it doesn't mean they weren't or aren't doing their duty to the best of their ability. I just think when you characterize the qualities of these people it crosses the line. Now, I think that when it crosses the line and it's free speech, that's fine. When it crosses the line, it's put on and paid for by the U.S. taxpayer, I think that's another matter.

VIEIRA: You know, to make it to general, you have to be a pretty tough cookie. I'm sure there are some people who would ask you, why don't you just brush off these comments by Limbaugh like an annoying gnat instead of legitimizing them and bringing more attention to them?

CLARK: I don't think it legitimizes them. I think it's a matter of balance. I think it's a matter of balance. And after what happened with the MoveOn ad, which I didn't support, they didn't check with me and I don't condone that kind of name-calling about General Petraeus. He's a fine officer; he's doing the best he can with a difficult job. But I think it has to apply on both sides of the political debate. I always hear politicians saying "gee, you know it's too bad, we're going to improve the quality of the discourse in America." Well, here's a chance to do something about the quality of the discourse. But you have to grasp the issue. It's a time for leadership. And yes, it's distasteful to have to worry about this kind of quibbling. But this goes to the heart of why the discourse is so ugly.

Just listen to the point that you quoted Rush as saying about an American senator. Fine, that's politics. Senator Harkin is a big man, he can take care of himself. But our soldiers aren't. They're over there putting themselves in harm's way. And they deserve a little bit of respect. And that respect should be in the dialogue of people who are broadcasting on Armed Forces Radio Network to our soldiers.

Did Clark just say that Harkin is a "big man," but "our soldiers aren't"? Harkin, who misrepresented his own military record? And please, general, spare us the bragging about your "leadership." Relying on utterly false premises to call for the removal of a political opponent from the airwaves isn't leadership. It's incipient totalitarianism.

Balance? Is that really what Clark's interested in? He alluded to Rush having called Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) "Dung-Heap Harkin." But Clark made no mention of the fact that Rush did so in response to Harkin having speculated on the floor of the Senate that Rush was on "high on drugs." Some balance.

And speaking of balance, why don't we check the line-up of Armed Services Radio. Yes, Rush is there, along with Sean Hannity and James Dobson. But they are more than balanced by Alan Colmes, Jim Hightower, NPR, Katie Couric's Notebook and lots of CNN and AP.

Clark says our soldiers "deserve a little bit of respect [from the] people who are broadcasting on Armed Forces Radio Network to our soldiers." Please. Does Clark actually believe that many soldiers feel Rush disrespects them, or that they would want him pulled off the air? The people disrespecting our soldiers are those like Jack Murtha and John Kerry, who have accused our soldiers in Iraq of being terrorists who killed civilians in cold blood. Would Clark yank C-SPAN off the air, too?

And note that Vieira, far from challenging Clark's false assumption that Rush intended to criticize all anti-war soldiers, merely strategized with the retired general on how best to delegitimize America's most popular talk radio host.

Update 11:08 | Matthew Sheffield. In a related disgrace, Air America is now calling for Limbaugh's removal from AFN.

—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.


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Ahh ..

... weasle Wesley rears his head again. It's like Bill Murray in "Ground Hog Day". The only difference is that was a movie and was funny. Clark is ridiculus and tragic.

Weasley Clark

Weasely Clark: King of the Phony War Heroes!

This weasel?

The Awful Truth About General Wesley Clark

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As someone who worked under

As someone who worked under Clark at a great distance for a short time, he reminded me of the worst form of political General. 

Those are Generals who reach the peak of their career and cease being military officers, but rather begin lobbying for careers as diplomats since they are addicted to advancement and there is still room for advancement in that alternate career.

 

Wes Clark - the fired General

Wes Clark - "the fired General"; the most carefully guarded and  best kept secret of the MSM during the 2004 presidential race. Personally, I bet I asked 30-40 confessed Clark supporters what they thought about Clark as a candidate, considering that he'd been fired from his job as Supreme Commander of NATO, during Kosovo. Their response was always one of disbelief - not a soul had heard that bit - not a soul would believe that it could be true. Why? they'd never seen any such coverage in the "news." The news could have looked here, as described in the buildup to his dismissal - New Yorker:

That night, Clark wrote in his memoir, he was at a retirement dinner for a colleague when he received a call from Shelton. “Wes, at the White House meeting today there was a lot of discussion about your press conference,” Shelton said. “The Secretary of Defense asked me to give you some verbatim guidance, so here it is: ‘Get your fucking face off the TV. No more briefings, period. That’s it.’ I just wanted to give it to you like he said it. Do you have any questions?”

Clark's CO, the JCS chair

Clark's CO, the JCS chair Gen Sheldon(sp?) said Clark was taken out of Europe early because of character issues. So he doesnt have much credibility as far as I'm concerned.

I've never understood a military man who goes to war and comes back a liberal democrat. I never understood that about John Glenn and George McGovern or Wesley Clark. It just boggles my mind.

General Clark (D)

As a military member, I'm nauseated at the lack of intelligence Clark exhibits. Sick, indeed. You can see MoveOn's puppet strings on him.

aj -

strings ...?

MoveOn and MediaMatters only have hand puppets ...

(Create your own visuals ...)

Who do we need to e-mail to

Who do we need to e-mail to keep Rush ON AFRTS????

 

Poor Liberal, he educated beyond his intelligence.

Who do we need to e-mail


Who do we need to e-mail to keep Rush ON AFRTS????

WE don't need to do anything. Liberals would just say that conservatives want to decide what our soldiers listen to.

But not to worry, if they try to take Rush off AFRTS, they will face an uproar from military members themselves.

It is only because military members nagged and pestered them for years that they finally put Rush on. They will not sit still for him being pulled.

As for Clark saying Harkin is a big man who can take care of himself, but our military members can't, what happened to "our brave men and women"? Typical liberal attitude. According to them we are sending our "children" to be killed. But they have nothing to say to Palestinian terrorists who strap bombs to their children.

Has anyone asked military

Has anyone asked military personnel their thoughts on "phony soldiers"?

*****

"I heart famous people."

One of the best books I

One of the best books I have read in the past two years since returning from Iraq is Stolen Valor: How the Vietnam Generation Was Robbed of Its Heroes and Its History by B.G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley.

In this book, the authors point out the huge numbers of "Phoney Soldiers" who in the years since Vietnam who protray themselves as heroes in order to either elevate themselves in society by claiming to have received the Medal of Honor, provide an unearned defense in criminal courts by bogus claims of PTSD, or to gain unearned benefits from the Veteran administration.

The scale of the fraud committed by these "Phoney Soldiers" is immense.  And knowing how society disparaged the actual veterans returning from Vietnam and rewarded the Phoney soldiers, we can expect to see MUCH more of this in the coming years. 

Has anyone asked military


Has anyone asked military personnel their thoughts on "phony soldiers"?

Hell, no! Why would they?  Wesley Clark says they can't take care of themselves, like "big boy" Sen. Harkin can.

 

has anyone asked Harkin

has anyone asked Harkin about being a phony soldier:)?

You mean our "kids"? Heck,

You mean our "kids"? Heck, they're not even mature enough to know they were scammed into joining the military so what would they know about what they want on the radio or any of that grown up stuff about phony soldiers? The liberals will do that sort of thinking for them (sarcasm).

 

here ya go


Who do we need to e-mail to keep Rush ON AFRTS????

Try here.

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Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.

Armed Forces Radio

(I posted this earlier, on another thread several days ago)

Now there's a movement to use this to remove Rush from Armed Forces Radio. I left the following comment at http://armedforcesradionetwork.org/feedback.html:

"You are going to be bombarded with requests from liberals to cancel Rush Limbaugh. This will be based upon liberals' attempts to cast Rush's "phony soldiers" observations as anti-military. As you consider those requests, please review ABC's video (javascript:openPopup('http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=3648899', 'popup', 800, 635);) on phony soldiers which aired 2 days before Rush's comments. You will notice this video and Rush's comments are the same, and in fact, they both mention the same real-life phony soldier.

Please don't be misled by this fake campaign by libs and congressional democrats. They are not telling the whole story -- in fact, they are actually lying to you. Keep Rush on -- and kill NPR."

___________________________________ 

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber

Lauer Section

It's funny,  Laura O'Donnel's report was surpising tame. She and Lauer presented both sides as flame throwers. After the Clark inteview, Lauer again brought up the unimportance of the issue with Ted Koppel.

General Clark is an opporunist.  The Arms Forces Radio trick was last year and failed. Apparently, the troops enjoy listening to Rush.

I think the Democratic Congress is going nowhere fast.  Trashing Rush hurts the Congress more than Rush.  Funny how Clark gives Kerry, Harkin, Reid and Durbin a pass on their horrible remarks.

This is the first Democrat smear job I have seen without a real quote. Bizzare.

 

stolen valor, stolen media, lost party

This is all they wanted - moral equivelence...

A PHONY PRESS DEFENDING PHONY SOLDIERS

It's funny,  Laura

It's funny,  Laura O'Donnel's report was surpising tame. She and Lauer presented both sides as flame throwers.

They are probably trying to disassociate themselves with a group that has an 11% approval rating.

 

 

THE BOTTOM LINE...

What bothers people like Vieira & other media lightweights about Rush is the following. He has, over a period of years, had the most listeners by miles, been the most effective conservative voice, & has made the most money & enjoys it. He'll never say I'm sorry for being on top of the pile. The funniest thing is how pissed the lefties get over him because he does'nt care if they like him, it does'nt bother him, but it bothers them.

As for Gen.Clark, ask the troops if they want El Rushbo pulled from AFR. If they say yes, fine. If not, shut up.

"Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise"  Mark Levin

Wesley Clark is a joke.

Wesley Clark is a joke.

}}---> Wesley Clark

Still crying about not getting a Bush appointment, Wes?

You're reservation is for the left side of the auditorium with the Phony Patriots.

Sure have heard a bunch about your leadership abilities from those who served under you.  Oh, wait a minute, no I haven't.

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

Wes Clark - The Almost-Republican

I remember when Clark announced his candidacy. He siad he would have gone Republican but he wasn't getting enough attention from Bush and the Republicans. This guy has no loyalty. 

 Democrat's Support Of The Military: "Invincible In Peace-Invisible In War"

Wesley who?

Yeah, I saw this and thought the comment from Viera was to be expected so it didn't bother me so much. Clark is a snivling little politician these days and his comments about Armed Services Radio and Rush was just stupid.

Should we be suprised

Not suprised that General Weasley Clark is again bombing from 20,000 feet with no obvious opposition.  Wasn't this his specialty in the military?

Hillary's outrage

Drudge is reporting Hillary and B. Hussein Obama have signed a letter of condemnation of Rush.

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

letter

Here is the letter from the hateful, anti-free speech, anti-American Democrats. 

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Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.

DFTrolls...thanks for the letter, and the list of

Thanks for the Letter post, and the list of signers....we now have a List of Congress people who can't read or write complex compound sentences, and who have a reading comprehension IQ of 50 or below.  And they can't hear teh radio very well either.

These guys needs to go into "re-education camps" over in North Korea, and come out with a whole new attitude. 

This show of "phony" force, this parade of the absurd, this gathering of Vultures around a non existant corpse, is taking down the Congressional approval ratings to single digits.

 

What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ?   David Foote  GoE

Fairness?

Rush's impact on our civilization is profound. By providing the glare of accountability on politicians, the press, and others Rush has made life uncomfortable for them. Their irresponsible and often seditious behavior and statements now have consequences-uncomfortable consequences, and they resent it. Wesley Clark is running for Vice President and Meredith is a hack talking head. They are both are dangerous, however. Fairness and honor are foreign concepts to them.

I hear the left throw the

I hear the left throw the word incompetent around alot when speaking of the President, but I think it may fit as an apt description of the msm and newsreaders like merideth.  The story has been proven false and a weak smear by a fringe left website.  The fact that Merideth doesn't know this makes her either incompetent or corrupt.  Her job is to challenge Wesley on his false premise.  I'll let her decide if she is incompetent or corrupt, but neither speaks well of her.  How embarrassing.

The stupid left

When you have idiots like B. Hussein Obama making comments about how ethnic cleansing is positive.  And the MSM doesn't even blink.  We're in trouble.

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

Don't forget he also wants

Don't forget he also wants to get rid of nulcear weapons in the entire world now...of course he doesn't mention how he will have other countries get rid of theirs...

}}---> B. Hussein Obama

Maybe we should trust our Arab brothers will follow B. Hussein Obama's example.  Wouldn't that be just peachy?  Let's bring back the Care Bears too.

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

All this talk of pulling

All this talk of pulling Rush from Armed Forces radio for this made up controversey...

I haven't seen one report yet where the MSM (or anyone for that matter) has discussed this with currently serving men in uniform...or as Harry Reid would refer to them as "losers"

Wesley Clark

I would put wannabe president General Wesley Clark in the category of a Quisling who was a Norwegian army officer that gave ‘aid and comfort’ to the enemy during WWII. The Norwegians deemed him a traitor.

Harry Reid must REALLY be in Trouble if ...

If they wanna do this to Rush, then Harry Reid must really be behind the 8 Ball.........

One would think the MSM would shut up, sit down, and hide in the bushes with this false story....instead, they are working the airwaves.

Well guess what MSM  ?  Rush / Fox / New Media, can reach 10,000 times more people than voted for Harry Reid.  That smell of burning toast in the air, is Harry....better start looking for a replacement.  

What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ?   David Foote  GoE

Harry Reid's straw man

Yes, straw tends to burn fairly rapidly, doesn't it, Jay?

*****

"I heart famous people."

I would like to see

I would like to see a column here devoted to the truth about Wesley Clark, with statements from those that have served with him and know the score.  Also, how he is a stooge for the Clintons; e.t.c.   I want to hear it again from those who have it first hand.

   I would like to see Viera's bobble-head handed to her on a plate by someone over what b.s. she has tried to put over on the viewers, once again.   Unlikely they'll have anyone to rebut their yellow reporting, huh?  Laura Ingraham would fit the bill nicely, though....

   The Left won't rest until they pull a Hugo Chavez on this country.   

Anyone who says they support the troops but not the mission is a liar. 

The Irony of a Gnat.

Straight from the lips of Mr. Bravery of Being Out of Range. Who led the noblist of causes by ordering air strikes to stop "genocide" in, still occupied, Kosovo. His activist are still trying to justify where the 247,000 (or so) bodies in "mass" graves could have gotten off to in such a huge country. 

Kind of like, we'd like to know where the WMD's sold to Sadam went (Syria & Iran). That Weasely Clark?

We are constantly reminded by the media of a mans valor and bravery for serving the country. But, even the best of men can turn out to be creeps and dishonorable. A lier is a lier. In my eyes, Weasely Clark has officially joined Jack Murtha and Duke Cunningham in the heep of rusted tin solders. What a shame.

Clarke - War Criminal

Clarke, Albright, Clinton and others, were indicted as 'war criminals' during Klinton's 'wag the dog' campaign in Bosnia. 

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That should read "A Liar is

That should read "A Liar is a Liar." Doh!!

Wesley Clarke - %#@!& LIAR!

This idiot is on MSDNC right now saying that Rush has a long history of slandering the troops that disagree with him. Proof?

Rush should sue him for slander. 

Indoctrinate-U 

Our Education. Their Politics.

I thought Clark's view of

I thought Clark's view of the Move-On was your classic case of damning with faint praise... "And after what happened with the MoveOn ad, which I didn't support, they didn't check with me and I don't condone that kind of name-calling about General Petraeus. He's a fine officer; he's doing the best he can with a difficult job." Notice he never says "Petraeus didn't lie or betray anyone" or offer any defense of the general. He just disagrees with the way the message was conveyed... not the message itself.

"They didn't check with

"They didn't check with me"?  Huh?  Does he think Moveon.commie would check in with him about their b.s.?

Sounds a little like 'illusion of grandeur' on the Weasel's part. 

Anyone who says they support the troops but not the mission is a liar. 

Yes.

He IS a part of the MoveOn.org. So..

He also would've been a Republican, had Karl Rove returned his phone calls: link 

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Here's the thing. 1. Rush

Here's the thing.

1. Rush didn't say the things his opponents are trying to claim he said.

2. The words they are trying to attach to him are not offensive nor in any way a violation of any FCC regulation.

Rush is safe, and the left knows it. They're simply trying to get a little mileage out of perhaps one of the worst straw man issues I've seen emerge from the left in a long time. Man, Rush is going to come out looking good next time he goes to visit the troops in Iraq and receives an enthusiastic welcome that Reid, Murtha etc. could only dream of receiving, leaving them scratching their heads saying, "Wha' Happen?"

*****

"I heart famous people."

Hero, it's just the latest tactic on the part of the left

You're right, of course, but there's more.

The radical left has recently said they intend to rachet up their attacks, and these latest incidents (Petraeus, O'Reilly, Rush) are part of that.  They hope to accomplish several things with it....for example:

1.  Yet another attempt to drive a wedge between the military and conservatives.

2.  Create a distraction from things like the improvements in Iraq, Hsu, Democrat inability to accomplish anything, etc, etc

3.  Provide an opportunity to reintroduce the so called "Fairness Doctrine" in radio, thereby diminishing the effectivness of talkers like Rush

(IMO, it will backfire on them.) 

 

The Anatomy of Bias

This is how they play the game. We begin with: why did they invite Clark on the show in the first place? There are plenty of other stories that have more social importance, but why do they highlight Clark? Because although Clark has a respectable military background, he is reliably liberal and anti-Bush. That means the media can exploit Clark's service to shield them while they take potshots at conservatives. The first step of bias is who you choose to interview.

Next, they give him a "when did you stop beating your wife" question, only they use that rhetorical trick to their advantage. They reinforce the assumption that Rush's comment was offensive by discussing how Clark wants to penalize it, instead of asking Clark to prove that it was offensive in the first place.

Then, like a crock pot, they'll leave the story alone ... for a while. Then they'll return later (in maybe a month, or three months) and refer to the whole incident as "When Limbaugh made that insult to the troops..." That's when Katie Couric will start referring to it, like she does now with the Iraq war as a mistake, as an 'accepted truth.'

It's dishonest, even if it isn't entirely deliberate.

Harkin is the one who has

Harkin is the one who has been behind attempting to pull Rush from AFRTS for years.

Clark is just a self important boob who even Bill Clinton had enough sense to fire.

Soldier here

I am a vet of Iraq (twice) and am now in the Guard. I am not a staunch supporter of the war in Iraq, but I believe that failure is not an option. I heard the program of Rush's last week and was not offended at all. I understood what he was talking about since I was aware of the stories of MacBeth and Beauchamp. There is a big difference between disagreeing with a war while still carrying out your orders and lying to demonize those of us that serve. Those phony Soldiers who would lie just to make us look bad need to be brought to light and punished. Rush said nothing wrong and I am still a fan of his. Liberals hate the truth when it doesn't go along with their agenda. For being a group that claims tollerance, I see little, if any, from them.

salute!

salute!

Vieira=rat (actually in

Vieira=rat (actually in that picture she does look like a rat)

Clark=Soros whore

 

Clark sold his soul for Soros money.  He has no credibility on any miliatary matters.    Soros pulls the strings and Clark speaks.

 

Like Rush or not.  Agree with Rush or not.  No one has been a bigger supporter of our troops over the last 15 years than Rush.  NO ONE.

 

Reid has called the troops losers, war criminals, and supported calling their commander a traitor.  Reid should never have the right to accuse anyone of being disrespectful of the troops.

In the end, I am not

In the end, I am not worried about Rush. The truth is out there for all to see and hear on You Tube, or on the Rush site. Everyone knows, and I mean everyone, that this is a put on by MM and MoveOn. These talking heads are just reinforcing the view that they are a bias bunch that propagate the lies of the left. Everytime they repeat it they push their credibility to lower levels. They are stupid for pushing this as far as they have.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

I've suddenly hit a

I've suddenly hit a non-hole in my Swiss Cheese mind ...

Does anyone else recall during the late 1990s, at the height of all the Bill Clinton mess, a "reminder" went out to the armed forces that they were NOT permitted to publicly speak out against the President or the administration?  That free speech did not pertain to those in the military service?

But NOW it's okay for active duty military to use free speech against this President and the war?

 

Somebody please fill me in here ...

Drill...

I know that you know what's up with that.

Thank God we Conservatives use logical and critical thinking skills to come to our conclusions!!!!! 

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Thank God we Conservatives

Thank God we Conservatives use logical and critical thinking skills to come to our conclusions!!!!! 

 

Yeah, I guess we don't make good dart throwers ...

ATTENTION RUSH LIMBAUGH!!!!!!!!

this is a fantastic point!

someone alert the alternative media:)!

http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=9106

TM -

THANK YOU! THANK YOU!!!!!

You have restored my confidence in my sanity! ... Well, a little, anyway ...

;^ )

drillthednc

spread you fine word, brother

Sister ...  ;^ x

Sister ...  ;^ x

I would never criticize a

I would never criticize a man who has lived a soldiers life such as Mr. Clark. However, it is ashame (and this can be said about both sides) that politics and the pursuit of power has taken precedence over the well being of our country. To be focused on such elementary issues while in the midst of war and our open borders is a major injustice to all citizens. Seems Washington is letting all of us down. WE THE PEOPLE are the only ones with our eyes on the ball. Well, the informed people anyway.

salute, sir

salute, sir

How much money has Rush

How much money has Rush raised for the troops?

How about ANY of the senators that condemned Limbaugh?

case closed.

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

Perpectually lying MSM

Perpectually lying MSM bastards: Rush called our soldiers phony

case open forever:(

Some idiot demstrategist

Some idiot demstrategist just commented on MSNBC that Rush is just trying to make a name for himself.

Note to demstrategist: Rush has the largest listening audience in the country (20 million). I think his name does not need any help in being promoted. 

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A perfect example of how out

A perfect example of how out of touch these people really are.

Which is why...

.. I could never, myself, be on TV with these idiots without it coming to blows! Morons! 

Indoctrinate-U 

Our Education. Their Politics.

The left's war against free speech hasn't even started yet.

It's going to get far, far worse in the coming months.

Sadly, I don't expect much help from the republicans in stemming the tide, as they appear to be content to just sit on the sidelines with their heads burried deep in the sand.

The Republican Party is well on its way to losing my vote in '08. They have done absolutely nothing to earn it.


When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.
-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.

What's scary is knowing

What's scary is knowing that Wesley Clark was once a general in our military. If his judgement then was anything like it is now, YIKES!

If he read the transcripts of Rush's show and came to the conclusion that he was slamming the troops, I can only imagine what conclusions he came to during his military tenure.

I saw Wesley Clark on

I saw Wesley Clark on Abrams last night.  He explained how liberal commentators on Armed Forces Radio are ok, listing things they did not say that Limbaugh had, like saying that soldiers who do not agree with him are not "patriotic", yadda yadda yadda.  I guess it is easy to convince yourself how bad Limbaugh is if you just make up stuff.

Of course, when considering Clark's opinion, remember that he has not only said that our soldiers are not men enough to stand up for themselves, but also that white soldiers are inferior to Asian ones because Asians do not value life as highly as whites, and that most soldiers who enlist do so to either escape jail or to fulfill some sadistic fantasy.

See how easy that was?  My negative opinion of Wesley Clark is bolstered.  Doesn't everyone agree with me now?  :-)

Of course Abrams never asked Clark what his support was for saying that Limbaugh had said the many things Clark attributed to him ... mainly because, in what passes for journalism today, it didn't matter if it was true.

Discourse by politicians and "journalists" now is just sick.  They truly do not care about the truth - to them, "facts" do not involve truth; rather "facts" are anything that will support their opinion, even if they have to make it up.

This Limbaugh dispute is perhaps the worst of all.  First hearing Mel Gibson call someone a Jew-bastard or something might be telling if you had no reason to know his view of Jews.  But when Limbaugh spends years and years doing nothing but support the troops in more words and ways than any of us can even imagine, for someone to say that they are outraged at some supposed broad statement that might be twisted to insult a broad group of soldiers (depending on how you view the inclusion of "s" in one of the probably million words he has spoken on this subject!) says nothing about Limbaugh but says a lot about those who attempt to make something of it.

Not that it wasn't long ago obvious what a tool Harry Reid is.

 JeffC

Does anyone really care about the truth any more?