Media Matters: 'Uh, Uh, No,' Hillary Didn't Help Start Us

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Cat fight on the left? On today's "Tucker," a "Media Matters" representative denied Hillary's claim that she "helped start" the organization.

Welcome back, Tucker. Really.

While Carlson was away, guest host David Shuster sullied Tucker's name-sake show with the tasteless "gotcha" game he sprang on Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.), then compounded matters by leading a liberal love-in.

Tucker's been back in the saddle for a couple days, and this evening took on Wesley Clark and later a representative of Media Matters.

Speaking with Paul Waldman, Senior Fellow and Director of Special Projects of "Media Matters," Carlson displayed the graphic shown here, in which Hillary Clinton stated that she had "helped start" Media Matters. Under close questioning by Carlson, Waldman wound up contradicting Hillary's claim.

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CARLSON: So Hillary Clinton helped to start, and supports, Media Matters. It's a political organization, then.

Waldman gave a non-response response, discussing the history of how ex-conservative David Brock started the organization.

CARLSON: But what does this mean? What does Hillary Clinton mean that she "helped start" Media Matters?

WALDMAN: Well, I think she's supportive of what we do, and a lot of people have encouraged us.

CARLSON: Did she help start it?

WALDMAN [pictured in the midst of this moment]: Uh, uh, no. I think she's been somebody who encouraged it and was supportive like a lot of progressives.

"Uh, uh, no"? Did Media Matters just dispute Hillary's veracity?

Earlier, Carlson called out former General Wesley Clark [who did have the coolest job title in the western world, "Supreme Allied Commander Europe"] on his bizarre claim that Rush Limbaugh was seeking to "censor" our service people when it is Clark who is seeking to censor Rush.

TUCKER CARLSON: Here's part of what you wrote on the Huffington Post [see "Take Rush Limbaugh Off Armed Forces Radio".] Here's what you wrote: "Since Rush Limbaugh won't listen to us, we're going directly to Congress, which can prevent him from disrespecting and censoring the voices of our soldiers." Now with all respect, that's almost Orwellian. You're accusing him of censorship, and at the same time attempting to censor him by taking him off the air.

WESLEY CLARK: Well, I think he's crossed the line, Tucker.

As Tucker subsequently said, in so many words: who died and made Wesley Clark keeper of "the line"?

In any case: who's not telling the truth? Hillary when she claimed she "helped start" Media Matters, or the left-wing outfit when it says, "uh, uh, no" she didn't?

—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.


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You're accusing him of

You're accusing him of censorship, and at the same time attempting to censor him by taking him off the air.

WESLEY CLARK: Well, I think he's crossed the line, Tucker.

Apparently Clark believes in free speech, right up until someone "crosses the line" into speech that he finds objectionable.

As for calling Clinton a liar, I guess that depends on what the meaning of "helped" and "start" are. BTW, is Center for American Progress agreeing that she helped to start that too? Because she included them.

It's even worse

Apparently Clark believes in free speech, right up until someone "crosses the line" into speech that he finds objectionable.

More properly...Clark and the other liberal hypocrits believe in free speech right up until someone "crosses their line" into speech that they can contrive to sound as if it might be objectionable to someone.

I firmly believe that, after listening to Clark's thoughts and ideas for a number of years now, if there had been another war in Europe under his "watch" we would have lost horribly because of his indecision and apparent failure to be able to think logically.


The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Fred08.com

WESLEY CLARK: Well, I think

WESLEY CLARK: Well, I think he's crossed the line, Tucker.

This the same Wesley Clark who defended the "free speech rights" of Michael Moore, who campaigned with and endorsed him, when Moore said that Bush was a "deserter from the military during wartime".

After the controversy broke, Moore then wrote:

"I would like to apologize for referring to George W. Bush as a "deserter." What I meant to say is that George W. Bush is a deserter, an election thief, a drunk driver, a WMD liar and a functional illiterate."

Not one word of criticism from Clark about these words.

SMG 

 

 

 

Well, SMG, Clark gets to

Well, SMG, Clark gets to decide....he's crowned himself Wesley Clark, "Keeper of the Line."

WH.gov changed anti war question

White House rewrites objectionable question.

http://www.mcall.com...

Bush was asked in PA today

"We've reached the point where the majority of the country doesn't want
to see another $190 billion going to Iraq. I hope I can say to you
man-to-man and taxpayer-to-taxpayer that we need to stop that spending
and bring them [U.S. troops] home."

http://www.whitehous...

The white house didn't like the question and lied that the question was:.

"(inaudible) -- follow opinion polls. You don't govern by opinion
polls. And I really respect that -- (inaudible) --"

"I really respect that" was never said. They just can't stop lying.

Drive-by again by Night "Hugo Chavez is not a dictator" Watchman

Just as you can't stop whining, drive-by posting, and never dare share your ideas.

   

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Here I just thought he was

Here I just thought he was drunk ...

And this is relevant to the

And this is relevant to the topic how?

*****

"I heart famous people."

Lying

I agree.  Harry Reid just can't stop lying about what they say about the troops, and in fact, he compounds his lying by lying about others.  Isn't that right, Night "Hugo Chavez is not a dictator" Watchman? 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

I watched this segment, it

I watched this segment, it was pretty good. I'm glad there are a few glimmers of hope like this against a media heavily awashed in liberalism.

Tucker did a good job dismantling his credibility throughout the interview.

"Boats are safe in the harbor, but that's not what they're made for." -- Maritime quote

Media Matters what really spawned it

David Brock having a mental breakdown after picking on rapist Bill Clinton approached Hillary for confession. Hillary seeing she had a tuna on the line steered Brock to George Soros who readily funded Hillary's idea for Media Matters......or as Hillary dreamt it, "Character Assassination Incorporated of the Right Wing".

That is how Hillary started Media Matters and this is how squirming Waldman does not want to be exposed as a quite illegal front for Hillary in her presidential bid.

 

*HIC IACET ARTORIVS REX QVONDAM REXQVE FVTVRVS

So, Cherry -

You're saying Waldman should not go "jogging" in Ft. Marcy Park anytime soon?

Tax exemption!!

Believer

MMs is a 501-3c tax exempt organization under the irs code and they stand to lose that if it is determined they are politically based. That would be a devastating turn for them.

No wonder they are distancing themselves from HC's statement.

Ironic

Someone is lying, either Hillary Matters is lying or Media Matters is lying. When you listen to the whole tape, not just the short cut, it's not Hillary Matters, she had the whole counter VRW strategy mapped out and explained it for the group.

Not good from a defense standpoint.

Time for the G-Men to start asking questions.

Got to go and get another case of popcorn for tomorrows shows.

When you listen to the

When you listen to the whole tape, not just the short cut, it's not Hillary Matters, she had the whole counter VRW strategy mapped out and explained it for the group.

Doesn't count ... she didn't do it in Hillary-black-speak.

Hint: Its NewsBusters

who is not telling the truth. But you know that. 

Troll-t*rd clean up in

Troll-t*rd clean up in aisle three.

"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan

Thanks for that great

Thanks for that great explanation, ding.

Hint for ding7777

Hint: it is ding7777 who is 100% intellectually bankrupt and a whiny drive-by poster bereft of his own ideas. 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Hillary's got to be careful.

 Hillary's got to be careful how this particular organization is perceived.  She may have made a blunder, insinuating how she helped start this group since, under our present campaign laws, things could happen that she didn't foresee.

Democrats: Specializing in "high tech lynching" since 1987.

Can't remember which

Can't remember which website I saw it on (Maybe Rush's?) but it was a sign that said "Hillary Clinton's 'Media Matters'"

I think every time a Republican refers to MM, they should call it "Hillary Clinton's Media Matters Organization" Drum it in, bang it home incessantly.

mb-

Went to the Karl Rove School of Political Stratigerists, huh?

You must have forgot.

You must have forgotten what party you belong to. The Republicans are punk panty-waists who NEVER fight back.  

Forget?

Can't we all just get along? It's worked so well for Republicans, don't you know?

P.S. Those are the Republicans we need to oust from our ranks! 

Indoctrinate-U 

Our Education. Their Politics.

under our present

under our present campaign laws

Do those apply to Hillary? I thought she got a personal campaign law excemption passed by liberal money machines, signed by a Republican leadership too timid to take her on, and found constitutional by the MSM.

I wonder

I wonder if we will ever know the truth behind this. I doubt that the Liberal voters will care at all about this though.

American, I don't think

American, I don't think that is such a worry. Very few registered Republicans will vote for her, more than a few registered Democratics have said they wouldn't vote for her, so the candidates are basically fighting for the votes of the "independents" or uncommitted voters. We don't have to bother with yellow-dog democratics, because they would vote for a yellow dog (or Hillary) before they'd vote for a Republican (or Libertarian, for that matter).

"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan

Well, lets look at the facts.

Hillary: "...Institutions that I helped start and support like Media Matters and Center for American Progress."

CARLSON: Did she help start [Media Matters]?

WALDMAN: Uh, uh, no.

 

Clearly somebody is lying.


The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Fred08.com

During his discussion with

During his discussion with Tucker Carlson, General Clark said:

There's no reason for the American taxpayer to pay for Rush to assault the character of men and women who serve in the armed forces.

Hmm.

Applying this "Clark Doctrine" across the board  - cutting off tax dollars - we would probably empty, what 25%, 40%? of the faculty lounges across this country. Those professors at public universities who call the troops stupid or immoral or killers would have their salaries eliminated.  

Is this what Clark is advocating?

Something tells me that the good General hasn't thought this fully through (ahem).

SMG

Yeah, what the heck..  no

Yeah, what the heck..  no reason for the American Taxpayer to pay for Rush..  what am I missing here..  the American Taxpayer DOESN'T pay for Rush.  He's an employee of Clear Channel, is he not? 

the American Taxpayer

the American Taxpayer DOESN'T pay for Rush. 

Clark was referring to having Rush's show broadcast over the Armed Forces radio network.

His argument is that since the network is paid for with tax dollars, that the public can pull Rush's show from it.

SMG

   Well what about all the

   Well what about all the fine folks at NPR?  There seems to be no shortage of firmly held opinions over there.

I'd love to see them try.

I'd love to see them try. If they think the military personnel (who are mostly conservative) dislike them now, they ain't seen nothin' yet!

and dont' forget, he has to

and dont' forget, he has to watch out for them, because they can't "take care" of themselves like Big Boy Tom Harkin can!!

During his discussion


During his discussion with Tucker Carlson, General Clark said:

There's no reason for the American taxpayer to pay for Rush to assault the character of men and women who serve in the armed forces.

Hmm.

Applying this "Clark Doctrine" across the board - cutting off tax dollars - we would probably empty, what 25%, 40%? of the faculty lounges across this country. Those professors at public universities who call the troops stupid or immoral or killers would have their salaries eliminated.

You left out all the Democrats and RINOs in Congress...

~~~

If you don't stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them!

Uh oh, Tucker....

Tucker better watch out.  He may end up with his testacles in Hillary's lock-box, or worse, he might end up in Fort Marcy Park.

 

"women and minorities hardest hit"

Fort Marcy Park

Fort Marcy Park (sung to the tune of MacArther Park)

Hillary was never dumb, guys
She kept one step ahead
As we followed the DOA's
Between the parted news pages.
We didn't read of deaths.
The MSM ignored it all again.

Fort Marcy Park is the dumpsite,
for the ones, who get in Hill-a-ry's way.
Someone dumped a body, in the rain.
And . . . we . . . know the MSM will ignore it.
They will just refuse to explore it.
And we'll never have our country back again.
Oh, no!

I recall a guy Named Reagan
He won, the Cold War, He brought, The commies to their knees
Now libs, like tender babies, with no brains
Want to squander his legacy, of freedom, and of strength.

Fort Marcy Park is the dumpsite,
for the ones, who get in Hill-a-ry's way.
Someone dumped a body, in the rain.
And . . . we . . . know the MSM will ignore it.
Only bloggers will deplore it.
And we'll never have our country back again.
Oh, no!

(With apologies to Donna Summer)

Not Donna Summer

You mean, "apologies to Jimmy Webb (who wrote it) and Richard Harris (who first performed it)". Donna and the rest, including Waylon Jennings, Glen Campbell, and probably a dozen others, merely did covers of that slow, long, and very (sorry about this) boring song. The first time I heard it, as a kid, I called it, "The Song About A Cake That Never Ends".

But I LOVE your version! My take on this is either Hillary should be fined, or Media Matters should lose Tax Exempt status (and pay back taxes leading back to day one), or both.

Can you tell I'm no expert

Can you tell I'm no expert on music? ;-)

Who is being censored?

Well General, here it is: my first post to NB....From Iraq no less.

How exactly is Rush going to censor me?

Now if I turn on American Forces Radio tomorrow and fail to hear Rush, that would be censorship!

rgold: Thank you for your

rgold: Thank you for your service and congrats on your excellent post. May it be the first of many.

rgold-

Welcome ... and <salute!>

Tell your tour of duty buddies about NB ... These guys/gals will not only keep you informed, but help keep you sane ... and let me shamelessly plug patdollard.com ... if you don't already know about it.  (Warning: "Dug Out" language practiced over at Pat's)

Welcome

And thank you for your service.  I think you will find that the people here (trolls excluded) love our boys and girls in uniform and have a great deal of respect for all of you.

Welcome aboard and keep

Welcome aboard and keep safe.

Semper Fi

 

 

Thanks!

<return salute!>  Thanks for the warm welcome everyone!  A few buddies and I have been lurking here for months.  We love the blog and discuss it often.

rgold

well you all speak up more often and Thanks

Support our Troops 

rgold

rgold - Welcome & Thank You for your service.

We're glad to have you here.

}}---> rgold

Just out of curiosity, did Rush offend you?  Did you think he was badmouthing you?

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

Offense?

Cool Arrow,

  Rush did not offend me or any of my friends that I have asked.  Now I did not listen to the broadcast.  I read the transcript here, visited MM, and Rush's own site as well as coverage on Hannity and Colmes, BOR and unfortunately Countdown (We have only one news channel and he comes on right before H&C).

  What does offend me is the phony soldier slandering my friends and I.  The enemy readily believes most anything they are shown (Al Jazerra, anyone?).  The fact that his lies were translated and distributed to people that are trying to kill me in order to enrage them further offends me!

   Although I have not been a regular listener of Rush's for years, I can tell you that during my past 15 years of service I have seen his name many times and always supportive of us and our mission.

  Now on a related note. The timing of all this seems highly suspect to me as well, wasn't it just a week before BOR's Media Matter's smear that he did a talking points memo asking if George Soros was trying to buy the election?   

}}---> Astute observation rgold

You are correct.  BOR was hammering away at Soros previous to this.

I totally reject Harriet Reid's claim that the war is lost, Murtha's claim that my troops are murderers.

Not likely you'll find more ardent supporters of troops than American Mothers, Newsbusters, and Rush.

Fight the good fight, and God, (not mother Gaia) be with you.

rgold

1)  Rush did not offend me or any of my friends that I have asked.  Now I did not listen to the broadcast.  I read the transcript here, visited MM, and Rush's own site as well as coverage on Hannity and Colmes, BOR and unfortunately Countdown

 1)   FIRST time I have heard an actual troop in Iraq (self)interviewed on his opinion on this ... and NOT in the neoPRAVDA news media A-a-a-and! HE, a troop, ACTUALLY researched the topic and READ the entire transcript!!! HOT DAMN!  Don't you just want to knock the snot out of those basturds insinuating our troops are dump mucks?

***

Al Franken’s running for WHAT … WHERE?

Anyone who votes for this sh** is an idiot:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eNvf1j1kVa4

 

2)  What does offend me is the phony soldier slandering my friends and I.  The enemy readily believes most anything they are shown (Al Jazerra, anyone?).  The fact that his lies were translated and distributed to people that are trying to kill me in order to enrage them further offends me!

2)   Again ... NOT covered in neoPRAVDA in any way, shape, or form ... THE BASIS for the whole "phony soldiers" remark by Limbaugh

 

3)   Although I have not been a regular listener of Rush's for years, I can tell you that during my past 15 years of service I have seen his name many times and always supportive of us and our mission.

 3)   rarely, if ever in the last week, mentioned by neoPRAVDA

 

4)   Now on a related note. The timing of all this seems highly suspect to me as well, wasn't it just a week before BOR's Media Matter's smear that he did a talking points memo asking if George Soros was trying to buy the election?   

4)   an investigative news story NOT being researched or investigated by ANYONE in the neoPRAVDA news media

 

MY POINT?

The United States Military ... Not only doing the job of serving and protecting the USA and, quite possibly, the rest of the ungrateful world ... But doing the damn job the frakking lazy-a**ed and criminally complicit American neoPRAVDA news media REFUSES to do!!!

 

AUUUGH! Where's the Tylenol??!!??

 

rgold -

Baby, you deserve a pay increase for multitasking and having two careers!

Send a bill to CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC/MSNBC/NYTIMES/LATIMES and throw in FNC there because they have been getting damn lazy of late themselves.

 

Love and Blessings. 

Stay safe, and get on here as much as you can!

 

In Korea...

I used to hear Rush from 1900-2000 in Korea.  Enjoy!   

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

rgold

You guys are in the best position to tell these people what does and does not constitute sensorship! Excellent point. 

Welcome and a heart felt thank you for your service!  

 

The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.  ~ Unknown

New Poster

Thank you rgold for all you have done for us!!!

"Since Rush Limbaugh

"Since Rush Limbaugh won't listen to us, we're going directly to Congress, which can prevent him from disrespecting and censoring the voices of our soldiers." (emphasis mine)

In July 1962, Wesley Clark took the Oath of the Soldier which begins:

"I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same..."

Apparently, at no time during the intervening 45 years did Gen. Clark bother to actually read the document to which he had pledged his life. Otherwise, up near the top he'd have read the part that says,

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech..."

You see, General, I may not have the wisdom that comes with age; I may not have your edumacation or valourous service to America; I'm just a lowly civilian. But I do know that Congress can't prevent Rush from saying a damn thing! The fact that liberals in America would like to enact legislation to restrict his speech (or anyone else's) tells us all exactly how much value you and your ilk place on the Constitution.

The Left accuses Bush & Co. of shredding the Constitution (ie: the Patriot Act), but can provide no examples of how said Act is unConstitutional, and then turns around and suggests that - if they had their way - they'd throw out the First Amendment. Not the 13th Amendment or the 27th Amendment, but the very First Amendment the Founders made to the Constitution - the most important Amendment of all, one which is fundemental to the freedom of the nation.

Thank you, General Clark, for admiting on television exactly how much value liberals place on the Bill of Rights. It's good to finally have that "on the record".

~~~

If you don't stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them!

Very well put Tom

It's one thing for the DNC, or Hillary Clinton's Media Matters, or Wesley Clark, or BDS Babes, etc. to write a letter to Rush's syndicator to express their opinions - they are private citizens and not the government.

It is entirely different when an official body of Congress does it.  When Congress sends these types of letters and additionally threatens to take steps to limit (abridge) speech, they are violating the First Amendment - big time.

 A lot has been said about how the Patriot Act is taking away my rights.  If it is, I don't see it on a day to day basis.

However, political correctness, hate crimes laws, "separation of church and state" laws, and discrimination laws all have the effect of stifling free speech, and this is seen every single day in growing numbers.  Offensive speech should be open to social condemnation and action, but it should not be codfied into laws that violate the First Amendment (the social condemnation shouldn't be enforced by the government using the threat of lethal force).

 

I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them. - J.B. Books (John Wayne)

Cripes.....

Everyone knows that Al Gore started Media Matters. Sheesh.

Luckily I wasn't taking a drink of my coffee just now

Didn't he create the internet also?

I heard he discovered Love

I heard he discovered Love Canal, too! 

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

Don't forget, he served in

Don't forget, he served in Vietnam.

 

I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them. - J.B. Books (John Wayne)

}}---> Gore discovered Love Canal

A gentleman wouldn't brag.

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

Separated at birth.....

Fmr. Gen. Wesley Cark & Benedict Arnold.

Oh, and wasn't Tucker Carlson a conservative once upon a time?


When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.
-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.

Speaking of David Brock....the polaroids must be....

I am not sure exactly what kind of polaroids the lefties have on this clown, but they must be pretty damning.

I have never seen a 180-degree reversal like his in my entire life.

 


When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.
-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.

Probably something with

Probably something with sheep....or gerbils.

}}---> Brockmailed

I'm pretty sure goats and gerbils just makes him an Ayatollah Khomeini Islamic.  Must be something else.

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

Famous reversals

Dave R <High sarc warning>

Have you forgotten the conversion of the lovely Arianna Huffington after her Republican ex-husband was defeated?  

}}---> Most disgusting CT

The most disgusting turnabout has got to be Theresa Heinz after the funeral for Republican Senator and husband John Heinz.

She married Herman Munster, Democrat Mass and put the Heinz fortune behind the freakshow.

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

Wesley Clark crossing the line.

Wesley Clark crossing the line.

mod, Wesley (Benedict Arnold) Clark has a lot to answer for.

Great link, BTW.

I often wondered why the left was so silent when it came to Clinton (with no small amount of help from Wesley Clark) bombing the hell out of the descendents of the Chetniks, whose selfless actions saved literally hundreds of our downed pilots and aircrews in WW II.

Then I remembered that they are primarily Christian.

It then made perfect sense.


When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.
-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.

Don't forget that General

Don't forget that General Clark also tried to start World War III by wanting to open fire on Soviet Troops in Sarajevo.  Fortunately, cooler heads than his prevailed. 

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

Here are your answers

1) Waldman is right. Hillary is exaggerating her role in "starting" up MMFA. Someone connected to her gave Media Matters some MONEY early on like a lot of progressives, but that's about it.

Here's who I'm talking about: "In 2004 Podesta provided Brock with
office space for his fledgling enterprise. Soon after, Media Matters
received over $2 million in seed donations from a roster of affluent
donors including Leo Hindery Jr., a former cable magnate; Susie
Tompkins Buell, a co-founder of the fashion company Esprit and a close
ally of Senator Hillary Clinton."

I do not recollect!!

Of course Hillary will state, "I DO NOT RECOLLECT!", since you know she would never lie!! 

"The line"

for some reason, brings to mind the word "decency." In both cases, the control freaks -- left or right -- want to be in charge of politically-variable definitions, and for that reason can't be trusted by people like me.
JMR

Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul.

The Ties are Surfacing

I found other ties reported of Clinton and Media Matters.

http://conservativebelle.blogspot.com/2007/10/clinton-ties-to-media-matters.html