Whoops: Moviemaker Won't Stick to Matthews's Saudis-Hate-Americans Script

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Of all people, you'd think a movie director would understand the importance of sticking to the script. But no . . .

There was a delicious moment on this afternoon's "Hardball." Host Chris Matthews had billed a new movie as standing for the proposition that Saudis hate Americans [note the screen graphic]. But when the movie's director came on, he declined to buy into Matthews's sweeping generalization, pitched capitalism as the answer to the region's problems, and even speculated that Iraq war has helped America's relations in the Middle East.

In his opening tease, Matthews proclaimed "Let's talk about why the Saudis hate us . . . in our second story tonight, why do Saudis hate Americans?"

Then, after an interview about Iran with Mario Cuomo [yes, he's still around], Matthews, teasing the next segment:

In the new movie, "The Kingdom," an FBI team trying to find a terrorist is stonewalled by Saudi Arabians. Coming up: we're going to talk to the man who made that movie, Peter Berg, and why is America -- he's going to answer this question because it's all through the movie -- why do these Saudi Arabians hate us so much? Hate us!"

Finally, it was time for the interview, and yet again Matthews portrayed it as standing for the proposition that America is hated in Saudi Arabia.

CHRIS MATTHEWS: Welcome back to "Hardball." In the new movie just coming out, "The Kingdom," FBI agents head to Saudi Arabia on a secret mission to investigate a terrorist bombing of a U.S. compound there. The movie opens with a narration of the American history with Saudi Arabia over the years and explains why the Saudis don't like us at all [cut to clips from movie].

. . .

Peter Berg directed the film and joins us now from Los Angeles. Peter, thank you for joining us. If you had an election in Saudi Arabia today, I know that's unimaginable, but if you had a real election, who would win: George Bush or Bin Laden?

PETER BERG: Wow, that would probably come down to hanging chads in Florida. It would be close.

MATTHEWS [disappointed]: Really?

BERG: You know, I think that certainly within members of the royal family and certainly the folks who are controlling the petroleum in that country, George Bush is quite popular. And there's clearly a large more fundamental group in Saudi Arabia who are not as enamored with us as the royal family who would probably cast their vote for Osama.

Chris tried to make his Saudis-hate-America case.

MATTHEWS: I hear it's worse than that from a U.S. diplomat I met a few weeks ago. He's very familiar with the situation over there, as familiar as you can get. He said once you get below the crust of the royal family and its retainers and those who benefit from the spoils of the oil industry, everybody hates us in Saudi Arabia. Is that too rough or is that about right?

BERG: I think that's probably a bit too rough . . . I have to admit that I was treated with nothing other than kindness and respect by every -- every Arab that I met while I was in Saudi Arabia. I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop. It never did. So it's an interesting place right now. And it clearly is a country that is potentially on the brink of some sort of disaster from within.

MATTHEWS: They like to call us, our enemies over there, the Crusaders and they lump us in with what they call the Zionists, the Israelis and say the Zionist crusaders are the enemy. If it weren't for the state of Israel, would they still hate us? I mean that as an open question. I think they would, but tell me [some "open question"!]

Berg acknowledged that our country's policies towards Israel are intensely unpopular.'

BERG: I have to say that you know not only did we spend time in Saudi Arabia, we filmed in the United Arab Emirates, in Dubai and Dubai's sister city Abu Dhabi. I was impressed and surprised by the level of rage and this isn't sort of unarticulated, uneducated rage. These are the level of intelligent well-articulated rage expressed to me at our country's policies towards Israel. We don't quite get it living in the U.S. I'm not -- I'm not an expert to the point where I can truly understand the complexity of the emotion, but it's very real. I think that my experience was that what's driving the anti--American anger is our relationship with Israel, and by the way, not anti-Jewish feeling. It's quite clearly anti-Israeli.

MATTHEWS: Do they want to get rid of Israel or do they just want Israel to to be nicer, or pull back from the Palestinian war or is it just their existence they want it erase?

BERG: I can't answer that. I've never met that level of intense consistent rage. So I'm not quite sure what the end goal is.

Chris might have been feeling his oats, having scored a point. But he was about to run into his rudest reversal of the night.

MATTHEWS: Has our invasion and occupation of Iraq helped our relations with that part of the world or hurt them?

BERG: As far as I can tell, it's helped them. I mean, I've met very few Saudis that have anything nice to say about any Iraqis, I haven't met anyone -- there's so much competition in the Middle East, the Kuwaitis don't like the Iraqis, the Saudis don't like the Iraqis, the UAE doesn't like anyone. Everyone hates Iran. It was hard to find any sort of common alliance.

MATTHEWS: So even though we're in there pushing the Shia majority to win because we obviously support democracy, the group with the most people wins all the time, we have supported the Shia overthrow of the Sunnis basically since 2003. The Shias are not too popular among the royal family in Saudi. I just wonder why they would be happy to have a Shia-ruled Iraq next to a Shia-ruled Iran now threatening them.

BERG: I don't know. I mean, I really don't know. People ask me coming back from the Middle East what I observed and what my take away is in terms of what can help. And the only thing that I consistently go back to is, by far the country in the Middle East that seems to be functioning as peacefully as possible is the UAE. Its cities like Dubai and Abu Dhabi where capitalism has taken ahold. There's such investment and growth going on in those cities, that they police themselves. I had dinner with Sheik Mohammed of Dubai and asked him why there had been no attacks in his country, a country which has alcohol, a country were women are allowed to wear bikinis, and where there's a much more western lifestyle. He pointed to the Britsh hotel and said we just won't let it happen. And I think that the bottom line for me unless some sort of capitalistic growth occurs, you're going to continue to see this chaos.

Wha-t-t? Not only don't all Saudis hate us, but the Iraq war has helped our relations in the region and the answer to peace in the Middle East is capitalism?

Chris closed by thanking Berg for "being so candid." Somehow I doubt he meant it. Will some poor producer be on the hot seat? And if Matthews wants to find America-haters, there's no need to go prospecting in Saudi Arabia. Just have some of our home grown far-leftists in, Chris.

—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.


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"...he declined to buy into

"...he declined to buy into Matthews's sweeping generalization."

At which point, an angry Matthews drowned the helpless Mr. Berg in a sunami of saliva... 

Ha! I saw this, Mark

....and I had tears in my eyes from laughing at Matthews' obvious disappointment.    What a transparent Democrat stooge he is!

Glad you caught it, RJ -- it

Glad you caught it, RJ -- it was really one of those great live-TV moments, wasn't it?!

I suppose Berg is now on

I gather, from Matthews' facial expression, Berg is now on his enemies list.

Right, Chris. Holy cow,

Right, Chris. Holy cow, does he look ticked off!

He's obviously not going to ask him to move in closer to the camera!

Captionfest: You SOB, you're smoking crack if you think I'm ever plugging another one of your movies!

Absolutely, Mark. I rarely watch Chrissy

but I wanted to see what he said about the phony Limbaugh dust-up, and just happened to be there.

Some poor producer's head will roll for this.

Isn't amazing when someone

Isn't amazing when someone from Hollywood isn't a moonbat?  You have to love those that can think for themselves!!

 

http://thelazytriathlete.blogspot.com/

BERG: As far as I can tell,

BERG: As far as I can tell, it's helped them ... I think that the bottom line for me unless some sort of capitalistic growth occurs, you're going to continue to see this chaos.

 

Matthews <sighing heavily as saliva flies from his droopy lips> :  Come on, Peter ... Cut me some slack here---- Berg? ... Hey, is that ... Jewish? Are you a Jew-boy plant? Huh?

 

BERG: What? I made a movie and ...

 

Matthews: Just answer the question ... BERG ... Are you a Jew Boy plant sent over to the Middle East to spy on them for the big oil companies, and then come back here, weasle your way onto my highly rated show, and spew your proBush/proAmerica crap ... HUH? BERG?

BERG:  Wait, you called my office and asked me to come on ...

Matthews <scoffing behing drool> : Yeah ... Yeah, sell it to Limbaugh, BERG ... I was going to tell you to lean in closer to the camera but forget it now ... BERG! ... <SIGH> We'll be back after this ...

 

Peter Berg in The Last

Peter Berg in The Last Seduction. Good stuff.

Peter Berg in The Last

Peter Berg in The Last Invitation. Better stuff.

Chris, you're on a first

Chris, you're on a first name basis with Nancy Pelosi ... Call her and ask her for the name of her doc for those Botox injections.

The look on Chris' face is

The look on Chris' face is so priceless....

I swear, if I tilt my head to one side of the monitor, and then to the other....his eyes are following me!

try it....I dare you :)

I think he's trying to

I think he's trying to mentally flip off Berg. :)

ok, that is creepy

ok, that is creepy

Heads will roll!

Matthews will absolutely disembowel the producer that "vetted" Berg.  He's a real cry-baby anyway, but when he gets blindsided, lookout!

I love it when the guests

I love it when the guests on Matthews or Olbermann don't follow the script. They get this dazed look on their faces like, "Wait, are you reading from the same script I am?"

"Hummadah, hummadah, hummadah."

There are 50 times more intellectual and political diversity in one O'Reilly show then there is on MSNBC in a week.

That includes your little coffee talk Joe.

SMG

And if Matthews wants to

And if Matthews wants to find America-haters, there's no need to go prospecting in Saudi Arabia. Just have some of our home grown far-leftists in, Chris.

 

I believe they have sign out front of MSNBC.....well that is what I heard?

They could just use the

They could just use the method that Jerry Springer and those other brawl-fest shows do:

During the commercial breaks run an ad that says "If you're a vet recently back from the Middle East and you think our policy is a failure and everyone hates us, call this number...."

The Saudis DO hate us...

The big elephant in the room nobody wants to discuss is the fact that the Saudis still teach their children in schools that Jews are apes and pigs, and the best thing you can do to please Allah is to kill Americans and/or Jews in a suicide bombing attack.

And don't give me the same old crap about how they trade with us blah blah blah.  The Chinese trade with us, meanwhile they are prepping for war.  The Soviets traded with us and had missiles pointed at us and fought proxy wars with us for decades. 

Forget 911, I dial 9MM.

Forget that 9MM

It lacks real stopping power. You'll get stabbed 3 or 4 times before your assailant goes down. Yer attacker may well die, just not quick enough. That's what the .45 was made for. Stopping a running, screaming, drug crazed man from reaching you with his machete.

Happy Trails...

Uhh... Thanks for the

Uhh...

Thanks for the unsolicited advice...you know what they say...it's worth every penny I paid for it.

Ever heard of Cor-bon?  My pistol has a 15 round mag.  I'll be ok.

Forget 911, I dial 9MM.

Firearms...

Yeah...actually I have some Cor bon and some Black Talon even. You ought to read a few of the Armed Citizen accounts of folks who have shot their assailants with a 9MM. "It was like I didn't even hit him.", comes up quite often. Or "he ran from the building dragging his hostage with him before collapsing."

I've been shooting since I was 5 and am 51 now, and I think I know a little bit about firearms. I'm sorry if I insulted you in some way by suggesting a, in my humble opinion, caliber that would offer you far more protection and stopping power. The .45 was developed during the Phillipine uprising when our boys were using .38s and were getting hacked to pieces before their attackers dropped.

Oh...and my .45 Glock also has a 15 round mag, and as you know they make 40 round drums for the classic 1911 as well as quite a few others

and I really loved the way you called my advice worthless. Classy...

Happy Trails...

I agree with you completely.

And.... Lil Chrissy was still able to get in his anti-jew bashing (labeling it anti-Israeli is just a cover imo)

MATTHEWS: They like to call us, our enemies over there, the Crusaders
and they lump us in with what they call the Zionists, the Israelis and
say the Zionist crusaders are the enemy. If it weren't for the state of
Israel, would they still hate us? I mean that as an open question. I
think they would, but tell me [some open question!]

Also don't neglect the good advise you got from Army Brat about the gun. Thats what I like about this site, you always are able to come away with at least a little more knowledge than you went in with.

"A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging
their prejudices."

-William James

TM the wise buddha says...

...we "hate" the saudi's, too...

...the Saudi's hate us, the Chinese hate us, the Canadians hate us, the Mexican's hate us - even our "closest ally" the British "hate us" - everybody hates everybody...

big f*cking deal...

i hate cars on a busy road - when they threaten the life of my child crossing the street...

hate is a form of love:)...

Thanks Chris for that

Thanks Chris for that enlightening interview. I actually want to see the movie now.

black-balled director?

Poor guy.  I respect him for giving his true opinion, but he may have just ended his career in Hollyweird.  He was supposed to say that everyone hates America and that capitalism is evil. 

Chris' disgusted look is priceless though.

Yeah, the next thing out of

Yeah, the next thing out of Chris's slobby puss was going to be: Wasn't it wonderful ... Wasn't it great that Iranian Pres. A-jad admitted there was a Holocaust?  I feel reborn ...

But Peter Berg just ruined the whole atmosphere.

I just got back from seeing

I just got back from seeing this movie, and I have to tell you, I was surprised. I half expected it to be an anti-American film, but it wasn't, though there was some attempt to make a moral equivalency between us and them, especially at the end. I don't really agree with that point of view, but overall, this movie was fair.

What's even more surprising is that Hollywood even allowed it to be made in the first place. This flick is as close to being pro-America as we're going to get these days. Someone is going to catch hell over it for sure though.

"Rendition", which was one of the previews, is another story. Anti-American all the way. I won't be seeing that one.

 

Rendition?? What's

Rendition??

What's that?

Wasn't that a Clinton administration thing? ;)

 

I'm a refugee from the Democratic Party.

 

No, more like...

"Bipartisan."
JMR

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