Hillary's Orwellian Health Care: Mandating Coverage = Choice

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"War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength" -- Slogan of the ruling party in George Orwell's "1984"

With the health care proposal she is about to introduce, Hillary Clinton adds another spooky non sequitur to the list: Compulsory Coverage is Choice. Will the MSM take notice?

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Clinton cagily calls her proposal "American Health Choices Plan." But according to this AP article, it requires everyone to carry health insurance [emphasis added]:

The centerpiece of Clinton's plan is the so-called "individual mandate," requiring everyone to have health insurance — just as most states require drivers to purchase auto insurance. Rival John Edwards has also offered a plan that includes an individual mandate, while the proposal outlined by Barack Obama does not.

"It puts the consumer in the driver's seat by offering more choices and lowering costs," Neera Tanden, Clinton's top policy adviser, told The Associated Press. "If you like the plan you have, you keep it. If you're one of tens of millions of Americans without coverage or don't like the coverage you have, you will have a choice of plans to pick from and you'll get tax credits to help pay for it."

Observe how the AP already begins to provide cover for Clinton's plan, noting that most states require auto insurance. True, but that is the result of an affirmative decision people make to drive. What's the equivalent here? Breathing?

Hillary's plan denies Americans the most fundamental choice of all: that of choosing no coverage. For millions of young, healthy people, or affluent ones who prefer not to deal with the insurance bureaucracy, that can be a very rational decision. In any case, it's their choice to make. Her spokesman claims that "if you like the plan you have, you keep it." That is simply untrue if your plan is to pay as you go.

But in Hillary's Orwellian world, forcing people to participate in a government program is choice.

Will the MSM pick up on the contradiction inherent in Hillary's plan? Don't bet on it.

—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.


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Hold on to your wallets

Hold on to your wallets people the Hillary Express is heading our way! Heaven help us all.

Please????

We have many states (like the article says) with mandatory auto insurance and we still have an average of 10% non-compliance.  So now what?  Are we going to put people in jail for refusing to buy it?  Are we going to take away their first-born?  There are way too many reasons to be against this.  Here is the link to Queen Bee's perfect health plan.

Hold on to your wallets is an understatement.  You won't have a wallet left or a pott to pi** in.

“Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.”  Ronald Reagan 

It's been said before, but

It's been said before, but if there are 10, 20, 30 million people without health insurance (pick a number), for whatever reason, that leaves 250+ million that DO have coverage.  Why radically overhaul and socialize a system that works, even if imperfectly, for the vast majority?

And with auto insurance, isn't the point of mandating coverage so that you can pay if you injure or damage someone else?  With healthcare, the only person at risk is yourself. 

If you're comforatable assuming the risk of going uninsured or carrying only limited coverage for catastrophic illness or injury, than that should be your choice.

"It puts the consumer in

"It puts the consumer in the driver's seat by
offering more choices and lowering
costs,"

 

So.. I am to assume that because the government is running
it, it will have lower cost “AND” more choices.

Hell, were do I sign up!!!!

 

Now I want you to do that with out raising taxes, red tape,
and of course the highest efficiency.

 

I bet the Canadians are praying that we don’t get it. That
way they can still come over and get health care.

 

A few years ago, I was on a bus in Canada, the tour guide
was going on about how (unlike the US) his health care is free! I asked him:
What other products does the government make? He looked at me and said: Why the
government does not make any products, (trying to get the rest of the bus to
laugh at me).  I said: then how is
health care “free” if they don’t produce it?

He said: well they take a little from every one to pay for
it. I said: then its not free then is it?? No one on the bus was laughing at me
now.. only him! He turned around and sat back

down.

 

THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT PRODUCE ANYTHING!!

IT TAKES YOUR MONEY, AND GIVES IT TO WHOM “THEY THINK
DESERVES IT”. 

These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day

I cannot wait to see the

I cannot wait to see the details on the "mandatory" hillcare. Her assumption that I read was that health insurance costs would be lower because there would be a larger pool of insured people (mandatory) even though it would be all individually based and no more corporate involvement. That is one enormous assumption that is probably based on no research data and just wishful thinking.

 

It will also be interesting

It will also be interesting to see if the same rules and options would apply to members of Congress, or if they manage to write in some exemptions to cover their own healthcare choices.

On top of the larger pool,

On top of the larger pool, however, she is requiring insurance companies to cover everyone, regardless of their health.  That means more risk, more expensive payouts, and higher costs.  I really can't believe she is saying any of this out loud. 

Oh yeah, "We're from the

Oh yeah, "We're from the government and we're here to help you."

This is such a crock; when, in the history of this country, has the government done anything at a lower cost and more efficiently than the private sector?

Subspacelight.......and that means....

250 million self insured people will NOT vote compulsively for Hillary....that may be enough for her to lose an election.

Compulsory is NOT Free, and Hillary has changed the Petraus Subject, the Move on subject, and is desperate to put out a NEW subject to take the heat off. 

Everytime Hillary screws up.......she disappears for days until she has to show up for a Debate.....It's the "Cover 2" Defense.

IF ONLY Bill will step forward now and say "I do NOT have Sex with THAT woman".......we will Believe him.

 

What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ?   David Foote  GoE

I think they're focusing

I think they're focusing too much on the effect instead of the cause.  Healthcare can be costly and insurance cumbersome because of the constant threat of legal action. 

If you want to bring down healthcare expenses, start with Tort reform.

Question:

Does Hitlery and her sychophantic followers actually believe this stuff will actually work, or is it just another typical Democratic ploy to get votes by promising government solutions that only serve to produce government dependency? 

I tend to think it's the latter, because no one could be dumb enough to actually believe Hitlery-care will do anything other than make things worse.

Risk

Yet another attempt to legislate the concept of RISK out of existence.  (That is, the risk of rolling the dice and not getting health insurance and spending thopse funds elsewhere.)  It has worked so well everywhere else it has been tried.

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Tax Credit?

<<"If you like the plan you have, you keep it. If you're one of tens of millions of Americans without coverage or don't like the coverage you have, you will have a choice of plans to pick from and you'll get tax credits to help pay for it.">>

OK, so according to Hitlary we're supposed to help pay for this with "tax credits"?  Hmm.  I thought a "tax credit" meant that it reduced your overall tax liability or that you may even receive a refund from the government for overpayment. 

And since "the poor" will not pay a dime under her program, will the average working slob get "extra tax credits" to pay for Hitlary Care for "the poor" as well as their own?  I wonder.

So, if you just hate your present health insurance provider, I guess that you'll just love Hitlary's proposal!

Man, I sure don't want to wake up on wednesday morning after election day '08 and hear the words: president elect Hitlary Clinton!

Man, I sure don't want to

Man, I sure don't want to wake up on wednesday morning after election day '08 and hear the words: president elect Hitlary Clinton!  Then turn off your radio, tv and dont go to the internet, in short dig a hole and cover youself up because while it isnt a sure thing it is just a good bet.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Gee, thanks Romney for

Gee, thanks Romney for introducing this stupidity in Taxachuetts. That's why I am not going to vote for you.

Let's set aside for the moment the issue of the government telling you have to get insurance.  When the government can usurpt the basic choices of it's citizens in this manner, it can also usurpt the "level" of health care as well.  That level of coverage must have some kind of minimum otherwise it is meaningless, anyone can buy a catastrophic plan with a $10k deductible which would be cheap but not really cover anything to meet the basic requirement of the law.  So tell us Hillary, will we the tax payer/insured be paying for sex change operations through our premiums because some bureaucrats you select will determine what is and what is not the minimum level of coverage? 

So what happens when you have a lapse in coverage, will you be charging them with a misdemeanor and fining the those who lost it? 

Will you do the same Socialistic foolishness as in Taxachuettes forcing the insured who pay premiums to subsidize (thus pay even higher premiums) those who can't and then claim you did this without a tax increase when in effect you robbed the majority to pay for your plan?

And when the costs spiral out of control because you offered something for nothing on someone else's dime and people swamp the system, will you then de-select groups like the elderly in the name of equality?  Here in the US, the elderly use most of the health care, will you do like the Europeans and just cut them off or give them substandard care???  10,000 people died in France under their health care system due to no air conditioners during the heat wave. 

 

dscott's postulate:  The degree to which someone exaggerates or deceives is inversely proportional to the merit of the advocated position.

Hey Negative Campaigner

The Heritage Foundation reports that Romney's plan was good with five key reforms. 

  1. Allowing insurers more flexibility to develop value-driven, tiered networks of health care providers;
  2. Allowing insurers to offer products with higher annual deductibles and co-payments;
  3. Allowing HMOs to offer health savings accounts (HSAs);
  4. Creating
    a new class of more affordable health insurance products for persons
    ages 19 to 26 with dollar-limited annual benefits; and
  5. Imposing a three-year moratorium on the imposition of new health benefit mandates.[7]

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Hahaha, Reforms already

Hahaha, Reforms already needed for a brand spanking new system.  LOL

Number 4 already exists, it's called Catastrophic Coverage with a high deductible, those people in reasonable good health or the wealthy can limit their monetary outlay in case of emergency and have the benefit of the insurance discount for all medical procedures not available to the uninsured.

Number 5 good luck with that, bureaucrats observing a moratorium on anything.

Again, this is not about insuring people, this is about Power and Control, a government that can mandate health insurance and the level of coverage can also mandate every jot and tittle of your lifestyle: smoking, exercise, weight, alcohol consumption, etc...  (the opening scene from Fahrenheit 451 - mandatory morning exercise for the population, 1984 had a similar scene) You will be walked just like the family dog, thus says big brother, it's for your good.  Just listen to Edwards' proposals.  You laugh now...

dscott's postulate:  The degree to which someone exaggerates or deceives is inversely proportional to the merit of the advocated position.

Wittaker Chambers

Forget Orwell's fiction. Read Whittaker Chamber's reality in Witness.  Hillary Clinton is a Communist. Be afraid, be very afraid!

 P.S. How many more "Asian" donors to the Clintons are there? It's much more than a "conspiracy theory". That's just what they want you to think. Be afraid.

BTW, is she going to wear one of her Mao suits to her inauguration? I hear they're still in her closet (among other things).

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

 

Hillary and The American Flag

THat picture of her standing in front our our flag is an unspoken oxymoron. God help us all.

The American Revolution Continued

Picture

Maybe this has been discussed somewhere before, but is the picture of Hillary that's used for this story included because it looks like she is giving the nazi salute? 

Just call me slow.

Just call me slow.

Mission ridiculous

If Bush can't stand in front of a "mission accomplished" banner then Democrats should not be able to stand in front of an American Flag...

Fair is fair...

Bush can stand in front of

Bush can stand in front of whatever kind of banner he wants; I think it was his little Halloween costume that inspired all the mockery. 

"If their sins were as scarlet, they are now white as snow" Isaiah 1:18

Jason C ...Halloween Costume?

He WAS in the Air National Guard. Think before insulting.

One more thing; He also flew in on a fighter jet which would require said 'halloween costume'

The American Revolution Continued

Well, Hillary is an

Well, Hillary is an American citizen and stateswoman, to follow the logic train....

And my point about Bush is that whether he has some sort of right to wear a flightsuit is irrelevant, the whole spectacle was, in my mind, just grotesque political theater.

"If their sins were as scarlet, they are now white as snow" Isaiah 1:18

That photo

at the top of this column is gonna give me nightmares now.

On a side issue. It's true

On a side issue. It's true the states mandate insurance for cars and now they
want to mandate insurance on health care. This country seems to be run by the
insurance industry. Is it all a scam? If insurance is MANDATED by the government
then shouldn't it also be mandated that it is not-for-profit? If insurance is
such a good thing for the consumer then why is the insurance industry wealthy
beyond belief? The idea of insurance is that of the 'many' pay for the 'few'
while the insurance companies reap vast sums of profit in exchange for the paperwork and
transfer of funds.

As far as health care, hospitals do not turn people away in this country.
They may make it difficult at times but people who need health care do receive
health care. Hospitals complain they have to cover these costs and state that is
why hospital stays are so expensive. Yet they still turn a healthy profit. One
would be naive to think that hospitals would lower their prices if every one had
insurance.

 

Heil Hillary!

What is the secret love child of Eva Braun and Adolph Hitler doing standing in front of the American flag giving a Nazi salute? Has the U.S. been taken over already?

...her mustache is a dead

...her mustache is a dead giveaway...file this under "MSM Ignore Status" 

I strongly caution a Republican against ever making this hand gesture in front of an American flag...

It would make for a highly profitable DKOS t-shirt feeding frenzy...

Far be it from me to

Far be it from me to advocate this HillaryCare nonsense, or whatever flavor of government sponsored/extorted healthcare is being discussed. But one good argument that their side has, is that these "uninsured" are actually already insured to a degree. If someone who chosses not to have insurance gets into an accident or better yet; fails to take care of their body and as a result ends up having a heart attack or getting a limb amputated because of not taking care of their diabetes, they STILL get healthcare when they present at an emergency room. And the rest of us pay for it anyway.

So if Americans truly want freedom from government imposed/run healthcare, they have to have the stomach to turn people away from ER's when they present without insurance or other payment guarantees. I do, but most people don't. It's the "feelings trump responsibility" problem that humans have.

If I was on their side, I'd use that argument all day long.

If it was really as

If it was really as straightforward and simple as that, the States would have already long ago created a State run health insurance company offering low cost health insurance to any takers.  Nothing stops any State from offering such a service. In fact, you wanted small employers to be able to offer health care plans as a benefit to their employees, the State run insurance commissions could easily change the rules to allow aggregating of companies to pool their employees thus giving cheaper rates based on the larger pool just like big companies.  The poor have Medicaid and the elderly have Medicare and quite frankly the States are basically attempting to run away from their financial obligation under those programs that is what HillaryCare will do for them.  That's right folks, the real hidden agenda here is that the States are being crushed under their obligation to provide for the poor and because they can't shove a massive tax increase down everyone's throat without losing their JOBS, they now play the stealth tax increase game like Taxacheuttes by jacking up everyone's health insurance premium to shift the full burden from the State to the Taxpayer/insured.  Isn't that nice of libs, making promises and feel good proposals which you are then forced to pay for? 

The real issue is NOT that some people aren't paying and thus getting free medical care if they need it in a pinch.  The real issue is Socialism, Social Engineering and control.  The libs are all too happy to have open borders to flood the country with poor people who then overwhelm our medical system.  Why? This is about power and control and that my friend is no simple matter.  Never, ever trust a liberal when they offer a solution to a problem they helped create, there is always an ulterior motive.

dscott's postulate:  The degree to which someone exaggerates or deceives is inversely proportional to the merit of the advocated position.

She'll Save Social Security, Too!

I'm not worried about Hillary successfully changing the U.S. to socialized medicine.  Democrats need causes to get elected and want to blame Republicans when they aren't, so this cause will not be "solved" any time soon.  If Democrats actually solved something, they wouldn't have that issue for the next election.  How's that war on poverty coming?

One can only hope

That the conservitive talk radio and the blogasphere will go after this load of Orwellian swill with the same vigor as they did the so-called immigration reform bill.

Hillarycare: Healthcare from Hell.

If the latest incarnation of Hillarycare doesn't convince you that HRC is a rabid communist, I do not know what will.

When it comes to our freedoms, Hillary Rhodam Clinton is the most dangerous woman in America.


When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.

-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.

 

Link please.  Must send

Link please.  Must send that to the GOP. 

dscott's postulate:  The degree to which someone exaggerates or deceives is inversely proportional to the merit of the advocated position.

dscott,

Here's your link.

Oh, and good luck with the dead doornails over at the GOP. I'm not sure anybody is home over there, but.....

When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.

-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.

I can't believe nobody has said this yet...


Doesn't it take as willing suspension of disbelief to accept HillaryCare 2.0?

 

Evolutionists have heard of Darwin; Creationists understand Darwin.

BINGO! You just hit on

BINGO!

You just hit on the ultimate preface to everything she will say during the campaign!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

I think it's interesting

I think it's interesting that they chose to use car insurance as an example of what works, especially given what's (hopefully) soon to happen here in Florida. Unless the Florida legislature votes to extend the requirement to have Personal Injury Protection (PIP) insurance by the end of this month, the requirement goes away as of Oct 1. The reasons for this change are compelling.

First, the reason for having PIP was because people were suing each other in court after accidents and being awarded damage claims. This ate up a lot of the court's precious time. So the original rationale back in the 1970s was that people who bought PIP insurance would be protected from any lawsuits. This was a pretty good deal for drivers... at first. But as always happens, it isn't long before lawyers and doctors start mucking up the works, especially the doctors who embraced the $10,000 limit in the 1970s saw this cutting into their fees as their rates grew. So over the years there have been more and more exceptions and exemptions added to the law to the point where Florida drivers are paying higher and higher PIP fees, and can still be drug into court to be sued for most personal injuries.

Second, fraud has had a tremendous impact on costs. When you damage your car, by the time you get repair estimates, and the cost of the parts and labor come through, it's pretty hard to fake a damaged car. Personal injuries are harder to prove, expecially since there's no requirement to show evidence and prove that you were injured, lost your job/wages, etc. You just submit your claim with the police report number and voila! instant money. So if you want to make some quick cash, you go buy a $500 junker, pull in front of someone and slam on your brakes, cause a "no-fault" accident, and file your claim. As long as you can convince some doctor that you're in pain, you get $10,000 no questions asked.

The end result of all this has been that PIP insurance costs twice as much as collision, even thought PIP only covers $10,000 and collision could cover over $40,000. This is due to the fact that injury claims outnumber damaged vehicle claims by about 40-50:1. If I was the MSM, I think I might want to use a different example.

Like you said, PIP didn't

Like you said, PIP didn't protect anyone against being sued.  In fact, the PIP is more for yourself on your own policy, you carry the 100k/300k liability insurance to cover people other than yourself who are injured.  The 1-800 ask so and so numbers are a legal version of a scam if you ask me. You are sent to Chircopractor or some Physcal therapy place that makes it's money by running up the tab on the PIP because they know the insurance company has to pay, no questions asked, of course all this documents how hurt you supposedly were for the lawyers to sue the insurance company.  It's all a big racket. 

Don't get me wrong, carrying PIP is a good thing if you are in a fender bender since your health insurance company doesn't want anything to do with it, however, there are too many shady people involved in sucking money out of the insurance companies and guess who pays?  That would be us in higher car premiums.  This is a classic case of people using medical services when they really don't need it because they are being told someone else is going to pay so why not.  PIP has become ambulance chasing without having to run.   That's why socialised medicine will always fail, people thinking they get something for nothing on someone else's dime.

BTW- the other popular thing to do besides buy a $500 car is to people to claim pre-existing injuries to the accident claim.  They use the PIP as free money to cover a medical condition like hip replacement or knee replacement, etc. forcing the car insurance company to pay for a condition that was never due to the accident.

dscott's postulate:  The degree to which someone exaggerates or deceives is inversely proportional to the merit of the advocated position.

And that's built into the

And that's built into the Clinton plan, no doubt. When enough people sue their insurers, those insurers will start to drop out, refusing to lose money hand over fist to lawsuits. Then when there aren't enough insurers, there will be "no choice" but to go to the "single payer system" with government taking over everything. Just like funding "children's health care" with "tobacco tax money" (until those taxes aren't enough any more), this is just another incremental step in a planned, eventually total, government takeover of the health care system. Canadians come here; where will WE go when we are being rationed to death? Cuba?

What should he have worn

What should he have worn instead of a flight suit?

"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"

Never Forget!

I've read many comments here, referring to HilCare as Orwellian.

Watch the video again.  Save the link.  Post it often!

I wish the RNC would start running this ninety six times a day, in all markets.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Access to the library

Access to the library records of potential terrorists? No way!

Access to the medical records of every American citizen? Way, whether you want to participate or not. You vill comply!