See Update at foot with list of Petraeus press appearances.
The gravest charge you can level at a military man, as MoveOn.org essentially did to Gen. Petraeus with its infamous "General Betray Us" ad, is to call him a traitor.
But close behind in the catalog of calumny is to call a soldier a coward. And that's effectively what Frank Rich did in his [p.p.v.] New York Times column of today.
Writes Rich [emphasis added]:
General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker could grab an hour of prime television time only by slinking into the safe foxhole of Fox News, where Brit Hume chaperoned them on a gloomy, bunkerlike set before an audience of merely 1.5 million true believers.
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So this is the portrait Frank Rich paints, not just at home, but to our enemies abroad, of the four-star general who is our commander in Iraq: a coward who slinks off into safe foxholes.
Let's review some of General Petraeus's record, beyond his current service as commander of MNF-Iraq.
- Commanded the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault), during which he led the “Screaming Eagles” in combat throughout the first year of Operation Iraqi Freedom.
- Four awards of the Legion of Merit
- Bronze Star Medal for valor
- Master Parachutist, Air Assault and Ranger qualified
- Combat Action Badge and French, British, and German Jump Wings
All of which is not to question Rich's valor, of course. It does take a special kind of courage to stay through the second act of some of those Broadway musicals.
No one should question the right of the Times columnist to criticize our Iraq policy. But calling our brave commander there a coward is contemptible.
UPDATE: Here is a list of General Petraeus's press appearances following his testimony, in addition to the Fox News interview that Rich cited.
- National Press Club (1.5 hours of Q&A; joint appearance wth Amb. Crocker)
- PBS NewsHour (joint appearance wth Amb. Crocker)
- ABC
- NBC
- CBS
- CNN (Situation Room, Anderson Cooper, American Morning)
- Charlie Rose
- USA Today editoral board
- Washington Post editorial board
- NPR
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.















Comments Policy
His Opinion is Worthless
September 16, 2007 - 08:00 ET by OldSailor88I just read Mr. Rich's bio. He's never served in the military. Therefore, he knows not what he speaks about General Petraeus. Next subject.
Frank Rich or Frank
September 16, 2007 - 08:20 ET by Jack BauerYou decide.
But don't forget his background is from the macho world of the British theatre dahlink, replete with such precicous luvvies as Sir Ian McKellan from the Ist Mechanized Gay Actors' Brigade.
To paraphrase the Duke of Wellington... "Our army is composed of the scum of the earth -- the mere scum of the earth."
"General Petraeus and
September 16, 2007 - 08:20 ET by sublight68"General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker could grab an hour of prime television time only by slinking into the safe foxhole of Fox News..."
I have no doubt that any network or cable outlet would gladly have General Patreus and Ambassador Crocker on for an interview, if only to try to cast further aspersions on their report. But why would they do that when they can go on Fox News, answer tough but fair questions and get an honest hearing?
I'm sure Rich called out the Democrat presidential candidates as cowards for refusing to appear on Fox News, right?
sublight, you beat me to
September 16, 2007 - 10:48 ET by motherbeltsublight, you beat me to it. My first thought upon reading that was the Democrat candidates who refuse to debate on Fox. Of course, Rich has no problem with that.
And of course, Rich would apply the double standard, saying that the same reason why Gen. Petraeus is going to Fox is the same reason the Democrats won't. That is just B as in B, S as in S.
I am just SO sick of the holier-than-thou hypocrites in the Democrat
party. They hide behind their "willing accomplices in the media" and take potshots. The same liberals who supposedly abhor ad hominem attacks, are the masters of same. They almost NEVER attack one of their "enemies" without making it personal.
IMO, Rich is beyond contemptible with this one.
Pardon me...
September 16, 2007 - 08:25 ET by dmntd1But would it be ok if I called some high-ranking justice officials cowards for not prosecuting Frank Rich for treason for his willful and malicious undermining of MNF-Iraq? By calling the commander of MNF-Iraq a coward, he undermines the mission, the warriors and is aiding and abetting those that wish this country harm.
I really think that questioning others' masculinity is a game probably better left to people who haven't had more cock in and out of them than a Tyson Chicken regional distribution center. AceOfSpades 06162007
I dunno about "cowards"
September 16, 2007 - 09:02 ET by sarcasmoBut at almost $5 a meatball, I'd not call the Department of "Justice" anything like fiscally conservative, because they've experienced incredibly-poor leadership. Of course, personal experience with their alleged "thrift" makes this scandal no-surprise to me (don't worry but do-prepare, because it's gonna hit the fan soon, but probably first with Ag instead of Au if my guess is right!)... And notice how they let the story out just after the moment of Alberto's departure & on a Friday - nice try at "managing the news," guys, but obviously it ain't exactly workin' too well with me! :)
JMR
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And how SMALL is the NYT circulation?
September 16, 2007 - 08:35 ET by Jack BauerSo, what, you may be wondering, is the DAILY circulation of the New York Times
Must be a whopping 4 million minimum, right? To be making comments about Fox viewers, it HAS to be massive? Else you end up looking like a demented fool.
At least beating Bill O'Reilly's THREE MILLION + daily viewing figures
Er... not exactly.
Wow. Rather less than that of those who watched Fox News interview with the good General.
You decide!
Good one Jack!
September 16, 2007 - 08:38 ET by rimskyGood one Jack!
Liberals offer such an easy
September 16, 2007 - 08:50 ET by Jack BauerLiberals offer such an easy and refutable target because they believe we who oppose their failed, reactionary views, really are as dumb as they like to characterize. Them being so tolerant and non-judgmental, an' all.
So of course, it never crosses a Frank Rich's mind that somebody may FACT check.
These socialist, liberals and assorted nutoids live in a make-believe world of 30 years ago, when they could get away with shit and never get called on it.
And that fact makes them even more foaming at the mouth with rage, insults, and hate.
I agree Jack, and half of
September 16, 2007 - 10:34 ET by USA4freedomI agree Jack, and half of those go to other newspapers!!
These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day
As founder and charter
September 17, 2007 - 03:54 ET by ConservativeRexAs founder and charter member of Code Pink, Frank Rich has spent a fair amount of time getting his panties out of a twist. When informed of what Frank Rich had said about the General, Paul Krugman remarked "how womanly of you Frank", of course Rich blushed at the compliment he recieved from Krugman and blew him a going away kiss.
Excellent! Remember we
September 16, 2007 - 09:49 ET by GregEExcellent!
Remember we are talking about a NY Times liberal here. Credibility is not a concern. It's only a concern when it could be called into question by fellow biased mainstream media members, and they only do THAT when it's completely obligatory and can't be ignored without being overly obvious of their liberalism. In Rich's case, it's not obligatory of them so let's just please just moveon dot org.
NYT Circulation
September 16, 2007 - 10:08 ET by ThisnThatJack, that's exactly what I was wondering, and I'm glad you did the research. That's why I like NB'ers -- it's so easy to point out how these liberals all act like 2nd-graders. I know I would be embarrased to tout a Fox News number considerably lower than mine -- IF I knew I was going to be taken to the woodshed on it.
But that's the big rub, isn't it? No other MSM outlet is going to expose Rich's hypocricy. And, the NYT will suppress any letter to the editor pointing it out. So there you have it -- an egotistical A$$hole, working for a prima donna publication that, once again, thinks it is so elite that no one will ever notice. Well, NB notices; and Fox News notices; and Rush Limbaugh notices. It's time for the Republican Party to start noticing, and our reps and candidates to very publically take these people to task.
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So Frank Rich is flustered and upset again.
September 16, 2007 - 09:00 ET by CTTheatre boy is so irrelevant one can only wonder why his accusations of cowardice are newsworthy, but then again it is the New York Times. Bitch boy, bitch, bitch, bitch...
Criticism for another
September 16, 2007 - 09:31 ET by MidAmericaCriticism for another news outlet from a guy who works for a paper that provides daily entertainment for scores of people who scan the paper looking for articles that are plagiarized, made up, misrepresented, false outrage, hypocrisy, self-important, agenda driven, over-hyped, etc,etc. And if the NYT was cheese what kind of cheese would it be? Swiss cheese, because it's full of holes. These holes are all the stories they will not cover because it will go against their world view or political agenda.
You Have To Love These People
September 16, 2007 - 09:56 ET by BourbeauThey sit at their desks, writing their slanderous columns, and walk around like it is they protecting the country and not our men and women serving. You would pay to watch the likes of Rich sit in the same room and interview General Petraeus and see who would be cowering in the corner in the fetal position. Unfortunately, with all the internet gives us, we are left with cyber generals at every turn, questioning every move, criticizing every word, turning every tale of woe into an indictment of govenment misdeed, and lastly, the likes of Rich writing his accusatory columns without even the benefit of a single conversation with his targe. And the NY Times cheers.
I like Swiss
September 16, 2007 - 15:40 ET by stratmanI like Swiss cheese.
Instead, I would compare the NYT as a cross between Head Cheese and Limburger - made up of all the most disgusting parts of the carcass and stinks to Hell.
Fun Fact: "In 2006 a study showing that the malaria mosquito (Anopheles gambiae) is attracted equally to the smell of Limburger cheese and to the smell of human feet[2] earned the Ig Nobel Prize in the area of biology. [3]"
How appropriate - Limburger cheese attracting malaria spreading mosquitos and the NYT attracting virulent agitprops spreading propaganda.
Killing them with kindness isn't working. Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.
I got REAL simple solution
September 16, 2007 - 09:58 ET by blogonatorJust ask Henry Clay and Aaron Burr...
Having questioned his honor General Petraeus should challenge him to a duel, I think that would temper those liberal tongue real quick like.
Entertainment Page?
September 16, 2007 - 10:18 ET by VT Con ManHey, Isn't Rich the one that got demoted to managing the entertainment section( or "Living" or some such drivel )?
If so, what possible right, on God's green earth, does he have to smear his hated enemies in politics and the military,( aka Americans )?
frank buried himself in a foxhole of unread newspapers
September 16, 2007 - 10:19 ET by lunaticcringeradiofrank should be happy NB is giving his some real press since the only readers he's really getting are dead fish and parrots. thanks jack for the circulation info, who knew the paper was doing that bad. i still buy my suffering local liberal swinging paper from time to time, they refuse to call illegal aliens illegal aliens down here in phoenix, but quite literally it's to do the soduko and crossword and i'll save the paper to start my bbq charcoal. maybe if the paper were to publish information that was worthwhile i bet it would be successful cause i still miss the nostalgic feel of the paper over a computer screen.
anyway what we are seeing with the whole General Petreaus situation is liberal immature self interest at it's finest. this report was no secret, everyone knew who knew anything about military strategy that this was going to be successful. remember how mad nancy and harry were and tried to do everything to stop the increase before it started, because they knew they were going to be made to look like a fool because they have invested in defeat. well now the Gen has returned with the report that everyone has seen coming since it's inception and even a few of the liberal mouthpieces went over there and said it was working. and what do the liberals do, well these openminded liberals are so closeminded that they can't accept they were wrong, they can't deal with the facts and they fall into complete denial. this then sets off their own self interest immature pounting child routine that cranks up the right wing conspiracy "they lied" machine. i'm suprised they didn't get walter cronkite out to say the war is virtually unwinnable.
for those of you who don't know who he was, he was the cbs news anchor who reported that litl statement after the tet offensive failed against us troops in vietnam where we lost about 162 soldiers in the n vietnamese cease fire breech and they lost approx 19,000 fighters some estimates made it as high as 45,000. so it seems like a good time to drag out the old man to lie to the public some more.
nobody knows a lie better than a liberal.
lunaticcringeradio
And don't forget Miss
September 16, 2007 - 11:02 ET by HypocriteHaterAnd don't forget Miss Pantsuit herself, Hillary Clinton's, "willing suspension of disbelief" comment directed at a man that she's not qualified to lick his boots.
The absolute chutzpah of a Clinton calling Petraeus' comments lies. Unbelievable!
Is Petraeus "an ass-kissing little chicken sh*t"?
September 16, 2007 - 10:34 ET by BlindSightPetraeus` boss, CENTCOM chief Admiral Fallon apparently doesn`t think much of Fallon either, and used the above words to his face, according to one recent news report:
http://ipsnews.net/n...
"Fallon's derision toward Petraeus reflected both the CENTCOM commander's personal distaste for Petraeus's style of operating and their fundamental policy differences over Iraq, according to the sources.
"The policy context of Fallon's extraordinarily abrasive treatment of his subordinate was Petraeus's agreement in February to serve as front man for the George W. Bush administration's effort to sell its policy of increasing U.S. troop strength in Iraq to Congress. ...
"Fallon was strongly opposed to Petraeus's role as pitch man for the surge policy in Iraq adopted by Bush in December as putting his own interests ahead of a sound military posture in the Middle East and Southwest Asia -- the area for which Fallon's CENTCOM is responsible.
"The CENTCOM commander believed the United States should be withdrawing troops from Iraq urgently, largely because he saw greater dangers elsewhere in the region. "He is very focused on Pakistan," said a source familiar with Fallon's thinking, "and trying to maintain a difficult status quo with Iran."
"By the time Fallon took command of CENTCOM in March, Pakistan had become the main safe haven for Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda to plan and carry out its worldwide operations, as well as being an extremely unstable state with both nuclear weapons and the world's largest population of Islamic extremists.
"Plans for continued high troop levels in Iraq would leave no troops available for other contingencies in the region."
Food for thought about the behind the scene disagreements over priorities.
All I can say is keep it
September 16, 2007 - 10:39 ET by USA4freedomAll I can say is keep it up.
Every time the left slams this guy, all of America sees.
I will tell you one thing, I would rather face Frank Bitch
in a dark ally then General Petraeus!
How about you??
These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day
USA -- actually I think
September 16, 2007 - 11:55 ET by Jack BauerUSA -- actually I think there is quite a good chance of facing Frank Rich down some dark Manhattan alleys, if you catch my bathroom stall Craigy drift.
And I concur. You go liberals, keep on bashing General Petraeus.
Possibly the dumbest political move since Jane Fonda shilled for the commies and the VietCong.
"BS", ipsnews is a radical left wing operation, not a "news"
September 16, 2007 - 14:19 ET by RJorganization. Long-time left-winger Gareth Porter doesn't back up or source his "quotes" in the article. Looks like disgusting, made-up fiction to me.
Unless he produces backup for the quotes, I'm calling the author a liar and anyone who pushes those lies a "BS" artist (appropriate initials for you, I think).
RJ -- "right-wing"? Don't
September 16, 2007 - 14:25 ET by Jack BauerRJ -- "right-wing"? Don't you mean left wing?
They've got an interview with crazy aging Marxist/commie Tariq Ali. All their stories look crazy left to me.
LOL, Jack, you're right...and crazy left is a good description
September 16, 2007 - 14:37 ET by RJI saw my error and must have been correcting it while you were writing.
Crazy left is a good description, and BS must be crazy left, too, if he's using them as a "source" for his asinine cut-and-paste "quotes."
Gee, What an "Objective" Story Source
September 16, 2007 - 16:35 ET by Del DolemonteC'mon, you can do better than that.
Agreeing with Democrats that the most important issue in Iraq is determining the exact monthly casualty count, Gen. David H. Petraeus will buckle under Congressional pressure this week and announce the immediate deployment of a brigade of civilian accountants to Baghdad to provide more reliable data.
Democrats have accused the Bush administration of bolstering its case for maintaining the troop surge by lying about exactly how many Iraqi civilians have been killed and injured.
“Nothing is more important in the war on Islamic terror than having an accurate body count to the second decimal place,” Gen. Petraeus will testify on Capitol Hill. “If we can’t get the numbers right over there, how can we expect Democrats in Congress to trust our figures when the bodies start falling again over here?”
See more below
September 17, 2007 - 12:11 ET by BlindSightI meant to reply to you, but it looks like I posted directly to the main post by accident.
Of course none of us is in a position to know, but it does seem that there is something to the reported differences of opinion between Petraeus and his boss Admiral Fallon.
Cowards
September 16, 2007 - 10:51 ET by geminicontenderNYT repoters, staff, mgt and owners....all cowards......all traitors. I wonder how far their sales will have to diminish before some shareholder stands up and says "what the hell is happening to our investment. Look o the CEO. Not brain surgery.
It is not surprising that
September 16, 2007 - 11:53 ET by BritcomIt is not surprising that Gen. Petraeus went on Fox News to be interviewed. After all he wanted to get his message out to Americans.
The whole thing is moot anyway, he was also interviewed on PBS by Charlie Rose.
Mr. Rich
September 16, 2007 - 11:54 ET by djm159It seems that Mr. Rich tosses the word "coward" around quite a bit. Someone remind me, what war did he serve in? I don't proclaim to be the smartest person on earth, but a coward is better defined as a hate-monger who sits behind a desk writing venom about a person they know nothing about. Obviously, because of his idolotry of former president Clinton and co-president Hillary Clinton, draft dodging is more up Mr. Rich's alley, he really should write about that, something he knows about and leave things he has no concept of to the experts. Perhaps he should go back to being a theater critic and leave national security to the brave military men who have actually seen action.
Be sure NOT to miss Bill
September 16, 2007 - 12:18 ET by drillanwrBe sure NOT to miss Bill O`Reilly on Monday night, as I am almost certain he has he already detests Rich, and I'm sure he's already read this crap and is crafting a biting response to him.
What "cancer" is eating away at this man's soul that he feels the need to get up everyday and purge forth such venom and filthy insult at people? I should feel pity for him, but can't seem to muster any for someone who most likely eats at the finest establishments, attends high brow parties, wears a suit(s) that could pay my mortgage for more than a half, and has not only the freedom to puke out such slime ... but stuffs his pockets with a massive paycheck for doing such ... while sitting comfortably and safely in a NYC building that wasn't hit by a terrorist-hijacked plane ... ALL because of men like Gen. Petreaus.
Frank Rich is the definition of self-absorbed prig.
O'Reilly Has Frank's Number
September 16, 2007 - 16:15 ET by Del DolemonteO'Reilly's called out Frankie many times in the past.
But Rich was one of Imus'
September 16, 2007 - 22:01 ET by Chris NormanBut Rich was one of Imus' favorite guests. Imus used to rave about what a great writer he was. Which only showed if you sucked up to Imus he would suck up to you.
True measure of a coward in the media...
September 16, 2007 - 12:24 ET by Gary HallMark. I do believe I caught one Democratic Senator offering up a bit of sympathy to Gen. Petraeus, as he sat down for yet another long grilling session (all live on TV) in front of a senate committee. The implication being, of course, that it took courage just to be there, and continue.That being said, let's reflect on the real cowards in the political world today who are skilled in somehow finding themselves only in the company of friends and fans in the media when it is time to be swooned over by the press.
Bill Clinton and Al Gore come to mind, do they not?
Frank Rich is a spoiled
September 16, 2007 - 12:26 ET by QueenMumFrank Rich is a spoiled brat. Patraeus did his duty before both the House and Senate. Every minute of his testimony was available to any American who chose to take the time to watch. Fox provided the largest audience of interested Americans. It should be understood that the American people do not need the likes of Frank Rich "helping" them to understand what's going on. Brit Hume's questions were succint and to the point. Patraeus was given ample time to answer the questions in full detail. All Frank Rich wants is a chance to see some left wing MsM whore throw the usual anti-Bush, anti-war talking points at Patraeus. Frankly, it would make for a pretty boring interview because the good General would most likely listen quietly until the interviewer shut up and stop talking when the interviewer interrupted him. An officer and a gentleman.
Well, Mr. Rich, you've got
September 16, 2007 - 13:46 ET by fitzfongWell, Mr. Rich, you've got to figure that General Petreaus had limited choices. He could have gone on Fox News Channel and gotten an audience or he could have gone on MSDNC and DNCNN and gotten no audience.
Maybe he could have interviewed with your paper, but since the New York Times attracts more canary crap than it does readers, General Petreaus would have been wasting his breath.
fitzfong - heh-heh-heh!
September 16, 2007 - 19:42 ET by drillanwrfitzfong -
heh-heh-heh! <thumbs up!>
this guy rich.
September 16, 2007 - 15:15 ET by PKi don't follow the columinsts that much but it seems to me that the only times that i hear this guys name is in conjunction with some outrageous anti country, anti religeous, anti military rant.
he gives the appearance that whenever his job is getting shaky that he goes out and smears one of our american institutions thereby gaining personal stature.
small problem: as he chops down people, things, places for his personal aggrandizement his employer loses.
there is every appearance that this guy is in a sinking boat and the only bailing bucket is the one he has been using for target practice.
i hope there is no one around to pull him out when the invietable happens.
bet this guy gets real nervous in a room full of "rough men with guns in their hands".
C
Petraeus faces the media
September 16, 2007 - 15:17 ET by nkviking75An hour of prime time exposure on any network provides ample opportunity to step in it, even if you're a highly experienced politician or spinmeister, which Petraeus is not. So going on Fox was still a risk for the General. I suspect the reason he didn't get that kind of time elsewhere is that the various MSM outlets were afraid they couldn't sustain the smear tactics for a full hour. There was too great a chance the General might actually change a few minds.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
"Who's Frank Rich, Mommy?"
September 16, 2007 - 16:18 ET by Del Dolemonte"Theatre critic for the New York Times, dear."
"Oh, I thought he was someone important"
Rich
September 16, 2007 - 17:43 ET by GoodieRichie Go back to your room and continue to play with your dolls...take Punch and Bill with you.
OUT
if NewsBusters
September 16, 2007 - 19:04 ET by ding7777was around when Truman nominated General Marshall to be Defense Secretary, would NewsBusters have found Republican Senator William Jenner contemptible for calling General Marshal "a front man for traitors"?
Is an apple an orange?
September 16, 2007 - 22:15 ET by Conservative_in_mass.As always, it takes a lib to make a comparison out of context, comparing two circumstances that are in no way similar WHAT SO EVER. Then, said lib draws his/her conclusion based on said flawed comparison.
I normally don't waste my time with this kind of hit & run, sniveling lib bait game but this particular beachball of yours was just too easy to hit
And I figured some NB posters could use the entertainment.
Yes, Jenner was a war veteran (1942-1944 Captain, Army Air Corps.) Yes he was a Republican who followed lock step with Joe McCarthy in his anti communist crusade. In short, one of those big bad republicans you guys so love to hate.
He did not like Truman and was often at political odds with him. As a result,he was critical of his nominee for Defense Secretary. However he never called Marshall a traitor; he was disappointed that Marshall would have accepted the nomination from Truman, a political enemy; ergo the "front man" comment.
This is very different than an organization (Move tards.ug)calling a decorated four star general a betrayer in a full page ad in a nationally distributed fishwrap. Apples and oranges.
Rich is a sniveling little man whose biggest risk in life has been to take a cab and not a limo to a Broadway opening. Nice try with the little snide remark, but as usual, it doesn't hold water.
You have taken a comment (out of context) made a hasty generalization with said comment, and then drew an inaccurate conclusion with it. Typical liberal mindset. Ding! times up.
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. ~ Unknown
Revising history won't work
September 16, 2007 - 23:52 ET by ding7777There was no out-of context quote because what I quoted Jenner as saying in no way changes the meaning of what Jenner said. Jenner's full quote:
Marshall did not, in haste or otherwise, confuse Jenner's apples with oranges because Marshall did indeed think Jenner was calling him a traitor:
Attacking a military
September 17, 2007 - 00:16 ET by MidAmericaAttacking a military person when they are active duty military would certainly be frowned upon by nearly all Republicans. But.... in the case you cite General Marshal is moving from a military role to a political one where he is exposed to political criticism.
Moving the goal posts doesn't help
September 17, 2007 - 09:05 ET by ding7777Calling General Marshall (retired or active) a "traitor" during the McCarthy craze was extremely chilling, to say the least...but then, Republicans have always attacked military men who disagree with its political philosophy.
"Calling General Marshall
September 17, 2007 - 09:48 ET by Conservative_in_mass."Calling General Marshall (retired or active) a "traitor" during the McCarthy craze was extremely chilling"
And libs never criticize the military. That clears that one up. Now you support the military. That's good to hear.
Marshall using the term is taking the hit for his superior. Again, Jenner's comments while not flattering, did not call a Commander of an active theater of war a traitor. There is a difference.
The Move on ad was despicable. That kind of behavior encourages our enemy and further endangers our troops in the field. It has more of an effect than any congressional testimony can.
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. ~ Unknown
Like I asked
September 16, 2007 - 22:34 ET by charlietexasLike I asked before.......wasnt Mr Rick the food critic??? what a moron...
Don't know about food, but
September 16, 2007 - 22:38 ET by Chris NormanDon't know about food, but he was a drama critic. That's why he doesn't like nasty things, like wars, to get in the way of necessary things - musicals.
I wonder...has this guy ever
September 16, 2007 - 23:58 ET by msh1973I wonder...has this guy ever put on a uniform and risked his life for his Country? We are living in sad times, when good is evil and evil is good.
This comes as no shock, but
September 17, 2007 - 08:30 ET by jweaverThis comes as no shock, but what does is the fact that the NY Times still manages to self-deceive and not realize that they have become a joke.
J. Weaver
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FOX has more on Fallon and Petraeus
September 17, 2007 - 10:59 ET by BlindSightHannity & Colmes put up this same quote (Fallon to Petraeus: "ass-kissing chicken-sh*t" and "I hate people like that" on their show on 9/14. Seems they think this report is sufficiently credible to broadcast it to the nation.
Did you guys also miss the long WaPo story last week and other news? http://www.washingto...
"a sharper clash over the U.S. venture in Iraq ... has been building since Fallon, chief of the U.S. Central Command, which oversees Middle East operations, sent a rear admiral to Baghdad this summer to gather information. Soon afterward, officials said, Fallon began developing plans to redefine the U.S. mission and radically draw down troops.
"One of those plans, according to a Centcom officer, involved slashing U.S. combat forces in Iraq by three-quarters by 2010. ... The profoundly different views of the U.S. role in Iraq only exacerbated the schism between the two men.
"Bad relations?" said a senior civilian official with a laugh. "That's the understatement of the century. . . . If you think Armageddon was a riot, that's one way of looking at it." ...
"Fallon, who took command of Centcom in March, worried that Iraq was undermining the military's ability to confront other threats, such as Iran. "When he took over, the reality hit him that he had to deal with Afghanistan, the Horn of Africa and a whole bunch of other stuff besides Iraq," said a top military officer.
"Fallon was also derisive of Iraqi leaders' intentions and competence, and dubious about the surge. "He's been saying from Day One, 'This isn't working,' " said a senior administration official. And Fallon signaled his departure from Bush by ordering subordinates to avoid the term "long war" -- a phrase the president used to describe the fight against terrorism. ...
"Fallon has made the case that Petraeus's recommendations should consider the political reality in Washington and lay out a guide to troop withdrawals, while Petraeus has resisted that, beyond a possible token pullout of a brigade early next year, according to military officials. The Joint Chiefs have been sympathetic to Fallon's view."
Name-calling aside (which apparently no one has denied, BTW), I think the reports of differences of opinion between Petraeus and Falllon are worth considering. It is based on these differences that Senator Jim Webb said he would ask that Admiral Fallon also be called to testify. Seems that there are some significant differences in opinion between the President and his military leaders.
Seems that there are some
September 17, 2007 - 11:12 ET by Jack BauerFortunately the United States Constitution offers a solution for such a contingency.
The Commander-in-Chief removes the subordinate who does not "agree" with his "opinion" or what the military call "strategy." And replaces him with one who does.
Rather like FDR did on occassions to numerous to list during WW2. And let's not even mention Big Abe.
Problem solved.
Incidently, as you quote a crazy marxist slash commie web site a "source" I think all your diatribes can also be removed from the "credible" list.
FOX is a "crazy marxist/commie website"?
September 17, 2007 - 12:30 ET by BlindSightOr are you referring to WaPo? Or the first one, who is backed by the other two? In any case, if the story of strong differences of opinion between Fallon and Petraeus is simply not credible, then you`ve just wasted your time by offering a "solution" that simply states the obvious (thanks, but I had already figured out our President gets to decide who he appoints to leadership positions in the military and whose advice he listens to) while ignoring whether there is both a difference of opinion and whether it is one that is worth discussing.
Us real conservatives like to discuss things like priorities, but since you consider raising matters of fact to be a "diatribe", then I guess I can avoid wasting my time with you.
Playing dumb. Believe me,
September 17, 2007 - 12:41 ET by Jack BauerPlaying dumb. Believe me, you really don't have to play it.
You kniow very well that I am referring to the website you original quote as your source to another poster: www.ipsnews.com
I suppose you also believe Greenspan really did say "Iraq was all about "oil."
And "real" conservatives do not quote as "sources" crazy left wing/commie websites that feature Marxist douchebags liek Tariq Ali.
And please, feel free to avoid me at all costs.
Right, Jack. BlindSight (BS) is as conservative as MoveOn.org
September 17, 2007 - 13:22 ET by RJUsing ipsnews.com as a "source" and claiming to be a "conservative?" Love these leftys who regularly come on here to tell us what "real" conservatives are. hahaha!
What absolute BS.
Snicker...
September 17, 2007 - 13:31 ET by Sergeant ROCK... yeah, they do the same thing on religion too!
RJ -- dittos. Sorry I
September 17, 2007 - 13:37 ET by Jack BauerRJ -- dittos. Sorry I didn't reference you as the "other poster."
Frankly I could care less what Fallon is reported to have said or not said. It's just a distraction away from MoveOn Dot Morons production of the most self-destructive political ad in twenty years.
Sounds about as believable as the recent Greenspan flap over SFA... I have no doubt it's all spin on a sentence.
It's all a smokescreen for the Democticks utter failure in Congress this year. Culminating in the total self-destruction of their summer strategy to back wobbly Reps into a cut and run corner.
If the Democratic party was publicly traded company, the shareholders would have Reid and Pelosi's heads on a spike. And that bozo who heads moveon.
Fine to take possibly biased news with a pinch of salt, but
September 17, 2007 - 20:49 ET by BlindSightto impose an ideological filter is silly.
But if you`d rather dismiss the whole story of differences between Fallon and Petraeus by focussing on one suspect source, by all means go ahead and be silly - and keep telling yourself you`re a real conservative.
Farewell.
"possibly biased?" BS, you're a hoot.
September 18, 2007 - 09:19 ET by RJBS, you began with scurrilous quote that turned out to be unsubstantiated and unsourced. You also attempted to present your extensive cut & paste quotes as being from a respected news source. But when called on the fact that you used a radical left wing operation as your "source", you now call it "possibly biased?" hahahaha!
Now, without admitting that you tried to present a fabrication as truth, you back off and call it only "differences between Fallon and Petraeus."
"Silly?" Your entire argument is silly, BS, especially the part where you claim to be a conservative, and that you know what a "real conservative" should think.
You're a hoot, BS.
Just call him...
September 18, 2007 - 09:26 ET by Sergeant ROCK...'HindSight' with emphasis placed on 'Hind'.
"Did you guys also miss the
September 17, 2007 - 14:25 ET by Conservative_in_mass."Did you guys also miss the long WaPo story last week and other news?:
For works of fiction I read Steven King.
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. ~ Unknown
Anti-war bedwetters
September 17, 2007 - 12:52 ET by Sergeant ROCKWhy don't you bring that smart mouth to your nearest military post to show your 'support for the troops'?
I dare you.