If you're the Boston Globe, there's no day like 9-11 to suggest negotiating with terrorists. For that's what the Globe appears to propose in its editorial of this morning, "Toughness after Sept. 11."
The gist is that in response to 9-11, President Bush's "aggressive foreign policy" and his "version of toughness" have had "tragic and unpredictable consequences," including "tens of thousands of civilians dead" in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the trampling of civil liberties at home.
So what does the Globe propose as the alternative to toughness? The editorial approvingly notes that "Churchill sought rapprochement with the Soviet Union following Stalin's death in 1953. Reagan realized he could negotiate with the Soviet Union after Mikhail Gorbachev came to power."
Remember: this is the Globe's 9-11 anniversary editorial, explicitly addressing our response to terrorrism. The Globe concludes by warning against "shows of toughness" and calling for a "thoughtful response." In the context, it's hard to interpret its praise for Churchill and Reagan's negotiating with the Communists as other than a call for the current administration to emulate those leaders by negotiating with the enemy of the day: terrorists in general and al-Qaeda in particular.
Can the Globe possibly mean what it appears to have proposed? Should we invite OBL out of his cave and to a good hotel on the shores of Lake Geneva for some negotiations an "rapprochement"? And what do the Dem presidential aspirants think of the apparent proposal by a newpaper that will surely be endorsing whoever among them emerges as the candidate?
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.















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Reagan realized he could
September 11, 2007 - 13:34 ET by motherbeltReagan realized he could negotiate with the Soviet Union after Mikhail Gorbachev came to power." Boston Globe
And how long was it before Reagan realized that Gorbachev had no intention of partaking in legitimate negotiations? (When was the Reykjavik summit that Reagan walked out of?)
That's good journalism? Just throw out a statement and let it lie there? Sure, don't bother to elaborate on it when you can't make it turn out the way you want.
And when are liberals going to get over their delusion that is was Gorbachev who voluntarily dismantled the Soviet Union to serve the cause of World Peace?????
No not motherbelt
September 11, 2007 - 19:31 ET by SportPoliticsyou forget, Osama and the muhajideen are the ones who collapsed the Soviet Union, and their plan for collapsing the USA is the same, in Iraq.
Like the Kos kook analysis of the recent binny boy video tells all of us, "we're playing right into his hands, bin laden could not be happier since we are in Iraq".
Mother, once again your
September 12, 2007 - 01:42 ET by ConservativeRexMother, once again your hammer has hit the nail on the head. I am not familiar with the Globe being I am not from or near that region of the country, and have absolutely no reason to read them on line.
That being said, sounds to me that the Globe represents the Neville Chamberlain wing of the Democrat Party.
america's greatest weapon.
September 11, 2007 - 13:54 ET by PKRonald Raegan defeated the russians by the use of americas greatest weapon.
the american economy.
the russians were trying to either actually keep up with american military technology or bullsh#$$ing us into believeing they were ahead.
well raegan quite simply raised spending for the military to what the russians considered to be astronomical levels and then started the starwars projects (which were extremely expensive) on top of that. and while doing so the united states maintained the same life style that the russians could only dream of.
gorbachov could not win the race because he couldn't afford to put gas in his bunch's tank.
C
You are close. Our
September 11, 2007 - 14:03 ET by Conservative VoiceYou are close. Our greatest weapon is our freedom, which allows for our economy to be what it is.
But it is one of the reasons why they attacked the twin towers, they are aiming to take out our economy. What they don't realize is that won't defeat us, as long as we love freedom over tyranny.
Our greatest strength...
September 11, 2007 - 14:12 ET by TruthMonger...I would say God, actually - because that's where our freedom comes from in the first place...
That's probably what you meant...
TM, exactly right. Thanks
September 11, 2007 - 14:39 ET by Conservative VoiceTM, exactly right. Thanks for the clarification :) And God also gives us the courage to do the right thing, the sense of peace that we are doing the right thing, and the inspiration, intelligence and wisdom to be able to fight these thugs.
Reagan did find a way to
September 11, 2007 - 13:58 ET by BruzillaReagan did find a way to negotiate with the Soviet Union using thoughtful and respectful discussions. He also chose to deal with Libya by blowing up a large part of Tripoli, Quadaffi's palace, and one of his kids.
It's great to talk softly and carry a big stick, but sometimes there's a need to smack someone with the stick.
Reagan negotiated by
September 11, 2007 - 14:07 ET by Conservative VoiceReagan negotiated by walking out, by showing he wasn't afraid to use the red phone, and by not mincing words.
Negotiate is a code word of liberals to give them everything they want
"Negotiate" is the Leftie
September 11, 2007 - 14:13 ET by kathleenirish"Negotiate" is the Leftie Liberals code word for "appeasement".
P.S. God, they're stupid! The islamofascists want to kill and destroy them more than anyone. And, I love that old phony Liberal chestnut about Reagan and Gorbachev "negotiating" peace, or better yet, Gorby being responsible for the end of the Cold War! Talk about propaganda!
Counting the days until the Globe finally dies!
Anyone who says they support the troops but not the mission is a liar.
I saved a cartoon where
September 11, 2007 - 17:35 ET by pbanks7I saved a cartoon where Osama says: "We are going to kill you,"
and the Donkey (read: dumbas$) says, "Let's negotiate."
Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.
Talking
September 11, 2007 - 14:14 ET by dvdaughtryNegotiations didn't help the Scotish "Nobles", but a courageous stand rallied the Spartans.
Talk is cheap.
I am not for diversity. I am for what works.
Kucinich vs Globe
September 11, 2007 - 14:15 ET by Gary HallInteresting that the Boston Globe, most probably correctly, notes," including "tens of thousands of civilians dead" in Iraq and Afghanistan," while the treasonable Dennis Kucinich is over there on state run Syrian TV informing the radicals that acutall the US has killed a million Iraqi's.
If our media had any sense of journalism responsibility, they'd rip Kucinich apart.
And.. I'm still trying to figure out just which of my "civil liberties has been trampled."
What Kucinich is doing is
September 11, 2007 - 14:37 ET by QueenMumWhat Kucinich is doing is both stunning and appalling. Our enemies must be getting quite a laugh at the notion that someone like Dennis the Menace can actually be running for President of the U.S. His behavior is both treasonous and an embarrassment to America.
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria
Body Guard For OBL: "Look,
September 11, 2007 - 15:12 ET by drillanwrBody Guard For OBL: "Look, Osama! It's that little guy from the Mad Magazine!"
QueenMum - yes and..
September 11, 2007 - 15:32 ET by Gary HallQueenMum - yes and.. the smarter ones in the leadership of the radicals are indeed getting a laugh out of it. But you know, they are not as smart as we might think - after all, in Bin Laden's latest bit, he actually put Rumsfeld in the White House running the Vietnam War, and Kennedy coming in after Rummy and trying to end the Vietnam War, cause he thought it was wrong -- then of course Rummy's friends, the corporations had JFK murdered.But what is much more troubling, I submit, is that thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, of disenchanted and very uneducated gullible young people will believe that Dennis Kucinich just told them the truth. It would not take a great leap of faith for these people to sense that a great uprising is beginning in the US - from the people and the congress. Kucinich just told them that congress and the Americans know that the war was wrong, illegal; that a million Iraqi's were murdered (by the US), that we must be made to leave and make reparations to Iraq for the great harm we have done, etc.His message will be used as propaganda - as proof that the US is bad.
He has filled them with the strength to carry out the mission that Bin Laden just charged them to carry out. Martyrdom for all young Muslims.
To negotiating is best done
September 11, 2007 - 14:20 ET by bassndudeTo negotiating is best done from a position of strength. I.E., over the stacked up bodies of your enemy, looking at those left with a good site picture.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
MOAB first, talk second.
September 11, 2007 - 15:37 ET by RackieMOAB first, talk second.
Smoke'em if you got'em.
korea
September 11, 2007 - 16:04 ET by PKthe schedule for the "truce talks" that stopped the korean fun and games went something like this.
talk about the size of the table.
then the north koreans walk away for a week or so.
terriffic attack on u.s. troops which is repulsed with great losses to the north korean force.
talk about the color of the table cloth on the table.
repeat for months.
the only time the north koreans would talk turkey was the day after they lost 10-15,000 men on the field of battle the night before.
and yes the guys could not cross the river because that was china, but that was also where the north koreans were resting, rearming, and preparing for the next go round.
C
PK... I kinda wish I was
September 11, 2007 - 16:08 ET by Clear thinkerPK...
I kinda wish I was at that table. My only request from the NK's would be...what size coffin do you prefer?
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I'm sorry my NB pals but ...
September 11, 2007 - 14:37 ET by drillanwrThese type of people make it so obviously easy for me sometimes ... most times ... to equate them with movie quotes:
President Thomas Whitmore : What do you want us to do?
Captured Alien : Die. Die.
President Thomas Whitmore : I saw... its thoughts. I saw what they're planning to do. They're like locusts. They're moving from planet to planet... their whole civilization. After they've consumed every natural resource they move on... and we're next. Nuke 'em. Let's nuke the bastards.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116629/quotes
Same old song from these people.....
September 11, 2007 - 15:42 ET by OiznopThe editorial approvingly notes that "Churchill sought rapprochement with the Soviet Union following Stalin's death in 1953. Reagan realized he could negotiate with the Soviet Union after Mikhail Gorbachev came to power."
REPLY: Yeah and the difference is the Soviet Union never attacked the west. And when it tried to, the west stood up to them and the Soviets backed down. Al-Qaeda, in all it's scumminess, attacked us, through orders of it's barbaric religion. And we answered back with that aggressive military action the Boston Globe endlessly criticizes. Typical rhetoric from a typical liberal rag.
Also ...
September 11, 2007 - 15:58 ET by drillanwrThe "Soviets", I believe, valued life quite a bit more than the Islamists do. They weren't vampires out to drink as much blood as possible. They feared death and destruction as much as we did ... The Islamists do not. Hell, the Islamists don't even value their own children, or even other Muslims and their children in general.
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September 11, 2007 - 16:29 ET by dahliatraversAnd the Governor of Massachusetts doesn't believe that rapprochement goes far enough.
"It was a mean and nasty and bitter attack on the United States. But it was also about the failure of human beings to understand each other and to learn to love each other. It seems to me that lesson at that morning is something that we must carry with us every day."
http://www.journalgazette.net/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070911/APN/709110607&template=apart
al Qaeda can not be negotiatied with but bin Laden can
September 11, 2007 - 17:08 ET by Lame CherryThe Globe makes the huge mistake of "all them blacks look the same" that all liberals do in thinking of Muslims. al Qaeda is at least 2 factions:
Islamocommunists under Zawahiri getting intelligence from Russian FSB and transportation from the Chicoms.
Islamofascists under bin Laden with connections the Muslim Brotherhood and the Wahabbists of Saudi Arabia.
bin Laden does not have the oprerational strength nor manpower now as Zawahiri let him fight it out in Tora Bora where America killed most of his people as bin Laden begged them to fight and fled. He is a changed person now psychologically and more morose than before, but he can be negotiated with. Personally, I know from profiling him the things which would appeal to him as he and his followers are nothing at all like the thugs which follow Zawahiri. They are ass different as night and day.
In knowing that, I have concluded that when negotiations could be conducted that the Russians, Chicoms, Zawahiri and Taliban would execute bin Laden, but he holds within his grasp if he has the energy to become greater than Saladin.
In analyzing bin Laden's last statements, he knows massive terrorist attacks are coming from the Islamocommunists and while he is not cheering.........he is not that happy about the camel birthed. He is a quite intelligent person, mystic of the old order and prose runs through his veins although he was fractured mentally and in his heart at Tora Bora facing that humiliation and the cause of the death of all his people while he pleaded with them.
bin Laden knows that America will retaliate with the only measure democrats and the majority of Americans have left the President and that is nuclear arms. Putin desires this as it will leave him with the only blackmail oil supply and Arabs and Persians want this as nuclear pollution will cause such as soccer mom stink that American forces will be pulled from the region........bin Laden knows all of this and he does not want to be blamed by Muslims for a generation of dead cancer babies in an American response.
The Russians deliberately inflated this situation at the start and Clinton was so inept he was building al Qaeda and setting the stage for attacks on America. bin Laden was treated very badly by the Saudi's who helped create him. While I give him no excuses, there is not a person alive who would not have acted out the way bin Laden did as his own Muslims were manipulating him for communism's advancement.
I believe that Reagan would never have gotten into this leaving Russian controlling the board. There are still measures which could be employed with certain allies which I will not make public here which could within 6 months make bin Laden a negotiator in control of the situation.
Zawahiri though is too much the different animal. You can here it in his taunting videos. His profile is different from bin Laden, but I will not go into details on him either but from his background I do not see how he could ever be negotiated with...........remember he screwed bin Laden over for control of al Qaeda and if a Muslim will do that to one of their own it pretty well explains what they would do with America.
I do not mean this in any way liberal sarcasm, but I know if the groundwork were laid by someone who knew bin Laden so he would withdraw the barbs that George W. Bush could negotiate an outcome both parties would be satisfied with.
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Well, if the Globe wants a
September 11, 2007 - 17:20 ET by Ruths husband BenWell, if the Globe wants a thoughtful response to terrorists, I would point out that a great deal of thought went into our nuclear weapons program.
Just thinking outside the dots.........
What an idiots...
September 11, 2007 - 18:00 ET by ForeverOnTheRightTheir is a big difference between the former Soviet Union and al-Qaeda. The Soviet Union was a sovereign country with an economy, political system etc. etc. al-Qaeda is a ‘organized’ group of terrorists and has no resemblance to a sovereign state. You can’t negotiate with terrorists, you have no leverage to use against them as we did with the Soviet Union. The Globe is a collection of idiots that don’t use the brains between their ears.
"and the trampling of civil
September 11, 2007 - 18:14 ET by ckc1227"and the trampling of civil liberties at home."
Ahhh, yes, the trampling of civil liberties. Sure, sure, John Edwards (and most likely the Globe too) wants the government to have complete access to all our medical records, and make our medical decisions for us, but there's no way in hell they're gonna let Bush find out what you checked out of the library, even if you're planning to blow something up.