Will Nets Notice? After Iraq Visit, Previously Anti-war Dem Opposes Quick Withdrawal

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On November 17, 2005, Rep. Jack Murtha (D-Pa.), who had previously supported the Iraq war, announced his call for the withdrawal of U.S. troops. The story led all three broadcast network evening news reports.

A mirror-image shift of position was reported today: a previously anti-war Dem has announced, after a visit to Iraq, that he now opposes withdrawal at this time. Will the MSM give anything like equal time to the story?

Rep. Brian Baird (D-Wa.) is a five-term member of Congress, representing Washington's 3rd District. Baird voted against the initial resolution authorizing the war. But now, having recently returned from Iraq, he has another perspective on events there, telling his hometown newspaper, the Olympian, as reported in this article, the following, :

We're on the ground now. We have a responsibility to the Iraqi people and a strategic interest in making this work.

I think we're making real progress.

I think the consequences of pulling back precipitously would be potentially catastrophic for the Iraqi people themselves, to whom we have a tremendous responsibility … and in the long run chaotic for the region as a whole and for our own security.

As I write this, we're a bit less than two hours away from the evening network newscasts. Stay tuned for lead-story coverage on ABC, NBC and CBS. Or not.

Mark was in Iraq in November. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net


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  I read the article and

  I read the article and Mr. Baird comes across as a thinking adult who takes his responsibilities seriously.  How refreshing.

Gee, a democrat who thinks

Gee, a democrat who thinks rather than "feels" is refreshing.

If indeed he is a "thinking

If indeed he is a "thinking adult who takes his resopnsibilities seriously", then I would expect a party change forthwith. Besides, he will be persona non grata in the democrat party now anyway.

Reality is sinking in,

Reality is sinking in, maybe his colleagues will come around as well?

Woops!

There goes his re-nomination...

Wow Mark... This is the

Wow Mark...

This is the first I have heard of this particular news from this congressman...

Most likely be the last too...

We all know if this was reversed it would be the lead story in all the networks.

Unfortunately for this country and our great military and the progress by the Iraqi's.

Just as an aside I was wondering if anyone heard C-Span and Gen Mixon today on The Washington Journal...it was great IMHO...(for those that do not know you can get the show hour by hour if intersted at this link) 

Also I heard on Rush today the polls from Bill Schneider today to defeat any good progress before the Petraeus Report comes out in Sept.

Seems the leftists are getting their battle plans ready...just some of them do not know which way to go though...

It would be funny if it weren't so despicably sad during a time of war...plus treasonous all for political gain as far as I am concerned at the expense and lives of others.

You will never hear

You will never hear anything from this guy again. Not from a press that is (mostly) wedded to defeat in Iraq.

Might as well drop him into a live volcanoe.

SMG

"Might as well drop him into

"Might as well drop him into a live volcano."

LOL. Ouch! I hate when that happens!

Truth

 Nice it finally flows from a democrat.

Entitlement over infrastructure every SINGLE time.

 

The "normal" democrat.

The "normal" democrat. (Rated G)

LOL ahusser.... I too

LOL ahusser....

I too love that and have been passing that around also...

Had it saved to put here on NB's when I got the chance but have been busy for awhile...

Thanks....you gotta' love it!

Says it all does it not?

BTIt seems that the dems

BT

It seems that the dems haven't changed all that much. Somebody sent it to me but I just found it on YouTube. It's great! I think we have a responsibility to link to that every time we blog and use the word "democrat"

Agreed. I will do my best

Agreed. I will do my best to remember to do that.

Btw, it hearkens to a day when even hollywood had semblance of common sense.

good one ahusser

b

"Television is where you watch people in your living room that you would not want near your house."       Groucho

Perfect, simply perfect!

Perfect, simply perfect!

We have a responsibility to

We have a responsibility to the Iraqi people

Why? 

Why not? "Whoa, whoa,

Why not?

"Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! There's still plenty of meat on that bone. Now you take this home, throw it in a pot, add some broth, a potato, baby you've got a stew goin'!" -- Carl Weathers

There are other countries

There are other countries that need our help, why only Iraq?  Why not wage battle with Venezuala and oust Chavez?  Why not oust the dictatorship in N. Korea?  Or China?  What about Darfur?  What is the *Real* motivation behind staying in Iraq?

So you don't believe we

So you don't believe we should finish the job we started?

"Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! There's still plenty of meat on that bone. Now you take this home, throw it in a pot, add some broth, a potato, baby you've got a stew goin'!" -- Carl Weathers

I'll give you a hint....it

I'll give you a hint....it begins with O and ends with L.  Three letter word.

How much oil do we import

How much oil do we import for Iraq, let alone the entire Middle East? What percentage of our total supply (imports and domestically procured) is it?

I think you'll be surprised at the amount. Oil Imports. U.S. Oil Supply Disposition.

"Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! There's still plenty of meat on that bone. Now you take this home, throw it in a pot, add some broth, a potato, baby you've got a stew goin'!" -- Carl Weathers

This might be the better

This might be the better page of your URL to link to, as it shows the oil imports specifically broken down by country. 

 http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl_m.htm

It's two different links.

It's two different links. One for imports, one for domestic (actually total).

"Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! There's still plenty of meat on that bone. Now you take this home, throw it in a pot, add some broth, a potato, baby you've got a stew goin'!" -- Carl Weathers

blaster.... Here is my

blaster....

Here is my unasked for hint to you...

Bull.

Remember the original name

Remember the original name for the invasion of Iraq?

O  peration

I  raqi

L  iberation

What a coinkydink...

Cute by half blaster...cute

Cute by half blaster...cute by half.

You are a whiz.

Nice try, but wrong as

Nice try, but wrong as usual. The original name was Operation Iraqi Freedom.

http://en.wikipedia....

Wrong again,

Wrong again, moosebreath...

From the Whitehouse site:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030324-4.html

Scroll down to "Mr Fleischer"

Wrong. That is the only

Wrong. That is the only place you can find where anyone in the Bush administration called it that (and mistakenly). Regardless of what Mr. Fleischer said, it is what the DoD designated as the name of the operation is what matters.

"Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! There's still plenty of meat on that bone. Now you take this home, throw it in a pot, add some broth, a potato, baby you've got a stew goin'!" -- Carl Weathers

Are you insinuating the Bush

Are you insinuating the Bush Administration made an error!  I'm sorry sir, but I'm going to have to question your patriotism.

A Google search of

A Google search of "Operation Iraqi Liberation" yields 1,070,000 returns, the majority of which appear to be left wing sites. Many of them cherry-pick Fleischer's quote.

A Google search of "Operation Iraqi Freedom" yields 2,050,000 returns, the majority of which appear to be official government sites. 

 

Del, really? You were able

Del, really? You were able to determine the majority of 1,070,000 sites were left wing?

Once when I was in grade 4, our teacher, as an exercise in learning the magnitude of numbers offered 10 dollars to any student who could manually write out 1 million 'x's . I spend a few hours on this foolish enterprise before I realized it was hopeless and gave up.

So you got through 1,070,000 websites huh? :)

 

}}---> Wrong paradigm Mandrake

Had you ruled diagonals across the page and continued to to draw parallels to those diagonals, It wouldn't have been too many pages before you had a million x's

Teacher once told the grade school class to add up all the integers 1 thru 100.  Rather than list them all and begin the process, young Johann Gauss added 1+99, 2+98 . . .etc.

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

Uh, ever heard of the

Uh, ever heard of the science of statistics sampling?

Bull. The White House

Bull.

The White House Press Briefing that comes from is likely an error/miscommunication. In fact, the day before that breifing was published, CENTCOM had an Air Power Summary that mentioned the proper name "Operation Iraqi Freedom" in it.

"Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! There's still plenty of meat on that bone. Now you take this home, throw it in a pot, add some broth, a potato, baby you've got a stew goin'!" -- Carl Weathers

Actually the very first

Actually the very first operation in Iraq was Operation Desert Shield, which later gave way to Operation Desert Storm.

But seriously, why are you arguing with him over a pointless anagram even if he's right?  If he's right, he still has no legitimate point.  He's just getting your goat.

He might even be a member of the Associated Social Service Workers In Private Enterprise.... also known as NAMBLA.

Blaster = Disaster Of Truth

In the White House Press Briefing page you link, the word "liberation" is used once on the page, 4th sentence, 1st paragraph:

He began with Prime Minister Blair, where the two discussed the ongoing aspects of Operation Iraqi liberation.

The word "liberation" is all lower case, ie the first letter is not capitalized, meaning that "liberation" is NOT part of a title or name.  As written, " Operation Iraqi liberation" denotes liberation during/due to "Operation Iraqi".

Maybe the transcript was modified.  Maybe Fleischer jumbled the title of the operation.  Maybe his mind was working faster than his mouth and he contracted the operation name and some other grammar.

No matter what explanation you chose, the title of the military operation was and is "Operation Iraqi Freedom."  Blaster is a classic example of GIGO - Garbage In, Garbage Out.  As long as he relies on politically biased websites for his information, particularly when they do not reference the actual data, Blaster will be frequently wrong again.

Killing them with kindness isn't working.  Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.

I agree about the oil

I agree about the oil

You idiot liberals are the

Blasted ass,

You idiot liberals are the ones in love with dictators. But be patient, one asshole at a time.

So far, TOTAL silence on

So far, TOTAL silence on this story from the national media. A Google News search shows that the only "news" outlets carrying the story are all fromthe Pacific Northwest, Baird's back yard.

Attack of the undead voters

He's from Washington state, eh?  I'll bet dead people will be flocking to his district so they can vote him out in the next primary.

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

You got that right

You got that right viking....

Or using Rahm Emanuels playbook again and getting plenty dead to keep him in as a so-called conservative dem. (not that Wa. State hasn't been getting away with this for years, especially King Co.) 

Btw...not taking anything away from this guy, good for him.

I do wonder what his district consists of in Wa. what part of Wa. he is in do you happen to know?

Baird's district info

Baird's district is the 3rd district, which is the southwestern corner of Washington.  Here's Baird's page on the US House website, which includes a list of cities in the district.

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

Hey thanks viking. Is the

Hey thanks viking.

Is the third district strictly dem that you know of?

I closest to Pend Oreille/Spokane as far as that goes...in other words I know the area closest to Idaho/Mt Borders.

Washington's 3rd district

I hate to rely on Wikipedia, but I think we can trust their article on the district.  They say Democrats dominated the district from 1960 on, except for two terms by Republican Linda Smith who came to power with the GOP sweep in '94.  Baird is her immediate successor.

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

 

3rd district covers lots of

3rd district covers lots of farmland, some minor industrial areas, some manufacturing, a bit of logging, etc. There are probably high concentrations of union people in places like Vancouver, Longview, Chehalis, and Centralia (the big population centers of the district--which by my guess would probably be 90% of the population). Most of Western Washington votes overwhelmingly Dem.


"Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! There's still plenty of meat on that bone. Now you take this home, throw it in a pot, add some broth, a potato, baby you've got a stew goin'!" -- Carl Weathers
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Hey thanks to both of you I

Hey thanks to both of you... I now have a much better idea exactly where this is...

Plus viking I do not know if you ever saw my posts long ago about Linda Smith and how furious I was with Newt for pulling his support plus $$$ from her (he did the same to one of our congressmen/women in Idaho too, can't remember if it was Chenowith or who now)...she was one of my fav's way back when, she almost had that won...a real conservative with great values, now I know who replaced her, I probably did back then too but forgot the name as it has been a long time now.

Anyway, there is a lot I liked about Newt, still do in some regards but the bad for me outweighed the good when it came to the power that went to his head and his stategies at the time.

That's my rant for now.

Mr. Baird might as well

Mr. Baird might as well drop the (D) infront of his name and replace with (R) or (I), for he will be marginalized by fellow leftoids. Remember Lieberman?

Or...if he really is thinking hard and support the war effort, he needs to convince first his district and then his fellow democracks. But I doubt it, democracks had already made up their minds. Prove me wrong, congressman...

This is Baird's 2nd reversal on this issue in four months.

I think it's worth noting that this is Baird's second reversal on this issue in less than four months.

Before
late April '07, Baird had opposed withdrawing troops for well over a year,
going back as least as far as Murtha's November 2005 resolution.

Baird does about-face on Iraq withdrawal

Although he opposed the 2002 resolution authorizing the war and last
fall called attacking Iraq "one of the dumbest ideas in American
history," Baird resisted early Democratic calls for withdrawal.

In
November 2005, hawkish Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., introduced a resolution
calling for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. Baird called Murtha's
timing "unfortunate" and said a pullout would jeopardize Iraqis who
supported American-backed elections set for the following month.

--Daily News 5/11/07

FDR won the War on Terror in ten words

Hey thanksHoward...Very

Hey thanks Howard...

Very interesting....

Maybe the long knives will be out for him in the next election from the dem party after-all.

Gonna' try to keep an eye on this race.

This story is still being

This story is still being ignored by the national press. However, here's what a liberal northwest blogger had to say:

 

"If you like politicians who refuse to engage in group-think, who work hard and try to get the best information they can, you kind of have to hear them out even if they are telling you something you don't want to hear. From The Columbian:

Days after returning from his second trip to Iraq, U.S. Rep. Brian Baird is rethinking his position on the timing of U.S. troop withdrawals from the war-ravaged country.

Three times this year, the Vancouver Democrat has supported legislation calling for troop withdrawals to begin by a set date. In May, he supported beginning the pullout as early as Oct. 1.

Now he believes that setting a date to withdraw at this moment could drive Iraq into the arms of Iran and cut short real progress by Iraqis who are at last taking on al-Qaida and other extremist groups.

"I have come to believe that calls for premature withdrawal may make it more difficult for Iraqis to solve their problems," Baird said in an interview. "If you have some guarantee of support, you have working space to reach out and involve the other side. If you think we are going to withdraw and chaos and civil war might ensue, then the decision is different.

"It's no longer 'Let's reach out,' but 'Let's prepare for the coming war.' That's a very different mind-set."

The article also says Baird is now against partitioning Iraq due to to what people there have told him. He also cites concerns about Iranian influence as a justification for not leaving "prematurely," which as we all know is a rather vague time frame. I always wonder how many F.U.'s (Friedman Units) it is.

If you read the full article, you could come to the conclusion that Baird was heavily influenced by his Republican traveling partners and the U.S. military. But Baird has been to the region several times that I know of, so I don't think he's some babe in the woods. He may not be considered a foreign policy heavyweight, but I recall that during the Balkans conflict he knew the details and was pretty familiar with the history of post-war Europe, so I like to think he has applied the same diligence when it comes to Iraq.

That being said, I think it's fair for progressives to question a strategy with such vague goals. The irony is that we'll wind up backing the Sunnis. You know, Saddam's folks.

I don't think I've ever truly envisioned a "quick" departure from Iraq anyhow. The quibble I have with Baird over this is that it lends cover to the administration, which clearly has no interest in ever leaving Iraq. That may be a horrible, cynical political calculation on my part, but it's a horrible, cynical political system that got us into this mess in the first place. But I can respect Baird for attempting to digest the facts as best he is able, given constraints on the ground and such.

What we still haven't done in the United States is actually decide that we need to start finding ways to actually leave Iraq. It could take a year, but each time it gets pushed back another F.U. we're taking hundreds more casualties. The worst bombing of the entire war just happened the other day, if anyone actually notices the poor Iraqi civilians any more.

It's worth noting that Baird still brings extra credibility to the table, at least in my view, because he voted against the initial invasion of Iraq. I would urge my fellow progressives to at least consider what he is saying. We may not agree with all of it, but Baird has no obvious political motivation to say these things, as no challenger of any note has emerged for 2008.

So while we may find Baird's comments kind of frustrating in the context of domestic U.S. politics, the important thing is that we act in our national interest. Some of us may have differing views on how that works, but that's democracy."

Del... This is also great

Del...

This is also great information to read.

Seems the lib's do not quite know which way to go quite yet full force...most likely going to do this regionally IMHO.

That is if it works and the leftists do not put someone up against Baird....

Plus we do not know yet if we will have anyone to go against him.

Once again thank you.

lock and load

 This article gave me a chance to use some of the news articles I've been saving regarding the Iraq war.  As I looked through the comments section of the article my head spun with the typical liberal tag lines.  I dug through my archive of news articles and shot down a few of their talking points (read: fibs).  I've been waiting for a chance to do that... felt good.

When a liberal speaks, the truth is busy elsewhere.