On Tuesday's "Morning Joe," Newsweek's Jonathan Alter appeared as a guest for a discussion about Governor Sarah Palin's pregnant 17 year old daughter, Bristol. Alter defended the media's actions in heavily reporting on the pregnancy, saying of the Palin's: "This, to quote the Godfather, this is the business they have chosen."
Alter also defended the media's lack of reporting on former Senator and Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards's affair. The columnist argued that Edwards was no longer running for president when the scandal broke and therefore the media was right in avoiding stories on it. However, in regards to Governor Palin, Alter scoffed, "They know it's all gonna come out if they're running for president or vice president. If they don't want it to come out they shouldn't get in the ring, I hate to tell you that." It seems Alter forgot that Edwards's affair began in 2006 according to his own admission, just before Edwards announced his candidacy for president. Nevertheless, as Joe Scarborough pointed out, Edwards was going to play a big role at the Democratic National Convention and was even slated to speak when the story broke. But Alter stuck with his argument that Edwards's affair was not as newsworthy as Bristol's pregnancy.
In responding to Joe Scarborough's request to "name one minor that has been exposed on the front page of the New York Times in presidential politics," Alter named former Vice President Al Gore's son, who was caught smoking marijuana. While the story did appear in the New York Times and Washington Post, it was essentially a non-story and was not the subject of three front page stories on one day like Bristol Palin's pregnancy.
Later in the segment, Alter and Scarborough got into a disagreement about whether the media, specifically the New York Times, would cover Bristol's pregnancy so heavily if she were the daughter of a Democratic candidate. Alter argued that the press coverage would be just as heavy while Scarborough rebuked the mainstream media for talking about stories which appeared on the Daily Kos Web site:
ALTER: If the shoe had been on the other foot, if Barack Obama's daughter, who is a little young now but let's say, you know, God forbid, that she got into this situation, that the idea of the right-wing blogosphere, the right-wing media holding off and saying, "oh, well, we're not gonna report anything about Barack Obama who's talked a lot about the importance of fatherhood, the importance of-that we're not gonna report anything about his child is just completely naïve.
SCARBOROUGH: The difference is you would not see it on the front page of the New York Times in three different stories.
ALTER: Absolutely you would.
SCARBOROUGH: All right. Well you know what, when we go to break, I'm going to give you the example that I'm not gonna say on air. I'm gonna - when we go to break, because I'm not gonna expose somebody else. There's a double standard. There is a rancid double standard and it is offensive and it was offensive to both of us. The fact that you have some of the best journalists in America running around two nights ago talking about Daily Kos and being thrilled that networks and newspapers - this is where we've come. Mike Barnicle was talking about a guy that we hired for a - helped hire for a newspaper, called him up all excited. "Did you see what's on Daily Kos? This is huge!"
A transcript of the relevant portions of the segment follows:
JOE SCARBOROUGH: And in this case, Jonathan Alter, to drag a 17 year old girl and to see the mainstream media, which we saw the first two nights here, go after the Daily Kos sleazy rumors like rabid dogs was very frightening to us.JONATHAN ALTER: Well, I think it's disturbing. I don't like seeing a 17 year old gone after that way. I have kids who are 19, 17 and 14 so I can relate on this. But I think we need to get into the real world here. This is not about the internet. This about the world of politics as it has been for the entire history of country.
SCARBOROUGH: 17 year old girls?
ALTER: Listen. This, to quote the Godfather, this is the business they have chosen. Go back to the election of 1880. "Mamma, where's my pa? Gone to the White House. Hahaha."
SCARBOROUGH: Jonathan, name one minor that has been exposed on the front page of the New York Times in presidential politics.
ALTER: Al Gore's son when he got picked up -- he was in a car, they were smoking pot.
SCARBOROUGH: They protected him.
ALTER: It was in the papers. So, look, eventually, look in this business, it's sad, it's unfortunate. Eventually it all comes out especially when you're talking about president. John Edwards a different story. He was no longer running for president so the rules and, you know, people's sense of - but when it's president and when you're vice president you gotta - that's president, everything, unfortunately, everything is on the table.
SCARBOROUGH: Jonathan, that's not the case.
ALTER: So the onus is on the family to decide.
SCARBOROUGH: That's not the case.
ALTER: They know it's all gonna come out if they're running for president or vice president. If they don't want it to come out they shouldn't get in the ring, I hate to tell you that.
SCARBOROUGH: You know what, I hate to tell you this. That's not the case and I can't give you my example because I'm not going to out another son or daughter of a candidate. That's just not the case.
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ALTER: I agree with that but just to defend Jonathan's point here so it's not 3 against -- 4 against 1, here's where I think Jonathan is on to something. And I've heard this from a number of liberals in the last couple of days. If the shoe had been on the other foot, if Barack Obama's daughter, who is a little young now but let's say, you know, God forbid, that she got into this situation, that the idea of the right-wing blogosphere, the right-wing media holding off and saying, "oh, well, we're not gonna report anything about Barack Obama who's talked a lot about the importance of fatherhood, the importance of-that we're not gonna report anything about his child is just completely naïve.
SCARBOROUGH: The difference is you would not see it on the front page of the New York Times in three different stories.
ALTER: Absolutely you would.
SCARBOROUGH: All right. Well you know what, when we go to break, I'm going to give you the example that I'm not gonna say on air. I'm gonna - when we go to break, because I'm not gonna expose somebody else. There's a double standard. There is a rancid double standard and it is offensive and it was offensive to both of us. The fact that you have some of the best journalists in America running around two nights ago talking about Daily Kos and being thrilled that networks and newspapers - this is where we've come. Mike Barnicle was talking about a guy that we hired for a - helped hire for a newspaper, called him up all excited. "Did you see what's on Daily Kos? This is huge!"
ALTER: Well, but this is what it was like with Drudge going back more than decade.
SCARBOROUGH: But there's a big difference between Drudge and the New York Times and the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal.
ALTER: But Drudge has driven stories into those places for the last decade. John Edwards was not a candidate for president. It was a different situation.
SCARBOROUGH: He was a candidate for vice president.
ALTER: You have to compare apples and apples. No he wasn't.
SCARBOROUGH: Yes he was.
ALTER: No, he was not being vetted.
SCARBOROUGH: Before that happened, they were talking about him as a possibility. He was gonna come here, he was gonna give a speech. He was gonna play a big role and the media stayed away from it like they should have.
ALTER: I'm not defending the media's behavior, I'm just telling you this is not new. This is the way it's been for at least a decade and I would argue for more than a hundred years in American politics.
SCARBOROUGH: You know what, I thought the press was admirable the way protected the Clinton children, child, the Gore's, Carter, the Bush's. Except for some tabloids with the Bush's at parties. Not the case so here.
ALTER: That's 'cause there was no news with those folks. When there's no news, they're not gonna intrude.
SCARBOROUGH: Okay, they were saints.


















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Nonsense
September 2, 2008 - 15:44 ET by Cool ArrowEdwards was still being considered for VP, or Atty General at least. Alter needs to find another excuse for his completely one sided approach.
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
Journalists are an Issue
September 2, 2008 - 15:50 ET by allanfMcCain and Palin have been handed another issue: the failure of American Journalism. These last few days have shown that the rotting corpse of the MSM can no longer be ignored.
Attacking the MSM will be smart politics for McCain.
As for Alter, he has to know how silly he sounds.
I think the media should
September 2, 2008 - 15:51 ET by balboaI think the media should cover the fact that she's pregnant. Three stories on the front of the NYT? A tad excessive.
bal
September 2, 2008 - 15:58 ET by Cool ArrowImagine how the NYT would have treated a candidate they didn't endorse?
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
Did the NYT bother...
September 2, 2008 - 16:00 ET by Prester John...reporting the handover of Anbar province to the Iraqis?
Don't know Prester
September 2, 2008 - 16:05 ET by Cool ArrowYou'll have to ask the Mods. They have a complimentary subscription I think. (who would pay for it?)
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
Edwards is no longer running for president......
September 2, 2008 - 15:48 ET by political mavenand Palin's daughter is?????
What an idiot.
Thnks PM...I'm not alone
September 2, 2008 - 15:58 ET by motherbeltThnks PM...I'm not alone then. Apparently we missed Bristol's announcement.
This is a lame comment from Alter...
September 2, 2008 - 16:23 ET by ThalpyThis is a lame comment from Alter, but then...
Liberals == Cowards
September 2, 2008 - 15:51 ET by LionKing"This, to quote the Godfather, this is the business they have chosen."
Maybe this is the business Governor Palin has chosen, but I am certain that her daughter did not choose to be exploited by the LIEberal Media.
It demonstrates the depth that liberals and DEMONcrats will resort to in order to gain power. They are shameless and hypocritical ... in short, they are cowards.
Alter
September 2, 2008 - 15:52 ET by DerryAlter is one of the five guests olbamamann can get to come on his crappy show.
Fiction as fact
September 2, 2008 - 16:04 ET by CobraMan"This, to quote the Godfather, this is the business they have chosen."
It's telling that the Alter needs to quote a fictional character in order to support his arguments. I guess that, when you base a claim on fictional assertions like attacking the personal life of a daughter of a politician is considered "fair game," then quoting a fictional charter is totally appropriate. I wonder how Newsweek would feel if Fox News started investigating and questioning the personal lives of any of Obama’s children? I bet they’d denounce that loudly and repetitively. It would be front page news, for weeks on end.
On Edit: That's Newsweek and not the NYT, not that there is much of a different between the two nowadays.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
The Young Woman is Off Limits
September 2, 2008 - 16:07 ET by Hooterville DenizenI've worked with young women as a school counselor that found themselves facing a crash course on being an adult. In consultation with their parents, the options included: abort and have a "do-over" to carry on with teenhood OR grow up quick, have the child (to keep or offer up for adoption) and revise all the typical plans young people have at that time in their life.
To do the first requires a few bucks and the ability to forget the experience. The second requires courage and a good support system - a family that loves their child no matter what.
All of us can talk about, argue about, what option they would prefer for their child, but do not use the govener's daughter as a springboard to support your view. That, is a cheap shot.
And...
September 2, 2008 - 16:22 ET by Hooterville DenizenI did not mean to imply ANYONE on this blog would use this family situation to advance their arguments. The nut jobs on the left have no problem with it, but not the folks here.
Alter is everything wrong
September 2, 2008 - 16:30 ET by IamTinmanWith the modern day media. To make a living invading the privacy of a 17 year old girl is beneath contempt! Then trying to actually justify it is absurd. The man is a sleazeball in an expensive suit! No wonder the approval rating of the media ranks even below congress!
Not sure he invaded
September 2, 2008 - 16:32 ET by balboaNot sure he invaded anyone's privacy when the Palin's announced that their daughter was pregnant.
Mentioning the press release
September 2, 2008 - 17:10 ET by IamTinmancould have possibly been justified, but anything more was an invasion and despicable.
Off Limits
September 2, 2008 - 16:31 ET by CpickeringWhy would Joe use the example of Edwards, who was a candidate, when BHO and the libs went ballistic when some press tried to question the beliefs of Michelle, an adult and active campaigner for BHO? We still have not seen her thesis.
SCARBOROUGH: You know
September 2, 2008 - 16:32 ET by bigtimer"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
ditto
September 2, 2008 - 16:44 ET by marpelditto
Jonathan Alter is an empty
September 2, 2008 - 16:43 ET by marpelJonathan Alter is an empty liberal suit. Can you imagine how responsible that poor girl feels now? Do these jackals know how much they are hurting this girl? Not the mother. She's an adult, and knows this goes with the territory. But I bet this girl feels mighty responsible for causing this heartache to her parents. This girl feels bad enough and then to watch it all play out by the likes of these lunatics who call themselves journalists.
I'm hoping, after this election, no one will give MSNBC and CNN the time of day. It's working with the newspapers. We need to contact our cable providers and hopefully try to drop these stations from our programming. I hate paying for these snakepits.
NEWSWEEK
September 2, 2008 - 16:46 ET by TexndocIf Alter had his choice, the next issue would feature 17-year old Bristol Palin on the cover. As noted when Kerry was the candidate, Jonathan Alter was practically second or third in rank in his team. I fully expect him to be in "creepy liar! creepy liar! creepy liar!" mode by end September. (and whatever happened to that MSNBC star pundit?)
Rancid Double Standard
September 2, 2008 - 17:33 ET by the struggler"Yikes and away!"---Daffy Duck,another quote from a fictional character.
"If the shoe had been on
September 2, 2008 - 17:39 ET by Junk Science Skeptic"If the shoe had been on the other foot, if Barack Obama's daughter, who
is a little young now but let's say, you know, God forbid, that she got
into this situation, that the idea of the right-wing blogosphere, the
right-wing media holding off and saying, "oh, well, we're not gonna
report anything about Barack Obama who's talked a lot about the
importance of fatherhood, the importance of-that we're not gonna report
anything about his child is just completely naïve."
But then of course the MSM would be right there doing damage control, keeping a straight face as BHO claimed "that's not the daughter I knew" or that he "only met with her at activist board meetings."
I saw this, this morning
September 2, 2008 - 17:47 ET by BlondeWhat you don't get, from the transcripts, though, is how ANGRY Joe Scarborough was at the idiocy of Alter's position.
Joe was furious. As well he should be.
Alter's position is despicable.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
You know what they say...
September 2, 2008 - 18:12 ET by azholmesIf it breeds, it leads... (Unless it's a Dem, then it's just a private matter...).
www.McNotObama2008.com
But...
September 3, 2008 - 07:35 ET by PoseidonWasn't Edwards still in contention for the nomination in December when the story first appeared that he'd been messin' around? Hey there fAlter, how do you explain this inconsistency? Ohhhh, that's right, it was only the National Enquirer. Of course, it did turn out to be true...I'd say you fell down on the job.